John Lennon - Folk Singer

Subject: RE: John Lennon - Folk Singer
From: Gene Burton
Date: 08 Feb 08 - 01:37 PM

Oh, I see what you're driving at...splitting hairs, really, isn't it?
OK, so the first songs may not have been physically WRITTEN, but the point is that somebody had to come up with them...

BTW, the deletion of Lizzie's postings has made me look like I've been talking to an imaginary friend in MY last few postings. Was it REALLY necessary? I mean, it's not as if there was anything said that was abusive or inflammatory, and the jibe about turkeys I found genuinely funny...surely we aren't THAT easily offended?

Subject: RE: John Lennon - Folk Singer
From: Ernest
Date: 08 Feb 08 - 01:55 PM

Hairsplitting???

Oh, I thought I mentioned that I am a lawyer....

;0)
Ernest

Subject: RE: John Lennon - Folk Singer
From: GUEST,guest
Date: 08 Feb 08 - 02:09 PM

Didn't seem that offensive to me either. Lizzie if you are reading this I choose to remain anonymous. I am on a few of your myspace pages. I have no beef with you personally, but while everyone is entitled to their opinions, you do come on strong. Say what you feel, disagree, but leave it at that. I find a lot of the problems people have with you is that you don't simmer down. Step back a moment and ask yourself, is this a little over the top? To stress about conspiracies against you and the music by everyone from the BBC to froots? I can agree with you that a lot of the music that we mutually like is criminally under played, and ignored, but using that as the basis for your diatrabes against others is wrong. And I do have one other thing to say, again as someone who is on some of your myspace pages. I had a, shall we say unhealthy internet addiction some time back, before I decided enough, I would use the internet for an occasional bit of research, or wholesome fun like youtube or myspace, band websites, etc. Judging by the time you spend updating your websites, time spent on lengthy arguments on here, time spent looking all the stuff you write about on here, could it be possible that you have an internet addiction? I mean that seriously, no humour intended. I'm not just talking about mudcat, but it seems to me like you spend way too much time online. Please consider this as some friendly advice. Cheers

Subject: RE: John Lennon - Folk Singer
From: GUEST,The Mole Catcher's Apprentice
Date: 08 Feb 08 - 02:32 PM

funny, keeping websites updated seems to me to be a necessity, far better than letting them go to hell in a handcart, but that's just my opinion.

I personally spend time on the internet while at the same time working on other off-line projects, nothing wrong with multi-tasking.

To be quite honest with our mystery guest (is this What's My Line?)
I see absolutely nothing wrong with enthusiasm, lord knows this place could use some, what with all the "serious folkies" who, also, seem to spend an inordinate amount of time here

Pleas consider THIS as some friendly advice......

Charlotte (what's my line again?)

Subject: RE: John Lennon - Folk Singer
From: GUEST,Anon
Date: 08 Feb 08 - 02:59 PM

"ANON"

          There's no name on the stone I sleep under today
          There's no book that can tell of my time
          But you know me so well when you sing roundelay
          For you're singing my tune and my rhyme
          I am "Anon", you know me that way
          I had something to say about life in my day
          So I made a song and somewhere the sound of it
          goes round and round, to be lost and then found
          And that is the way that life is
          That is the way it is with songs
         
          It was in the alehouse, I would sing with the rest
          then I made up a tune of my own
          And a full harvest moon put the words in my head
          As I trudged 'cross the fields to my home
          When I sang it next day, my friends asked me how
          Did I find my own song in the blade of my plough
          So I asked in return how the stonemason saw
          A sweet face in the stone on the old quarry floor
          They asked "Is that the way that it is?"
          I said "That is the way it is for me."

          So they learned every word and they sang every note
          Till my song was a work of renown
          And within a six month I heard boys from the school
          Whistling my tune in the town
            And I smiled when I heard what came out of the sky
          coming now from a child as he quickly ran by
          Would it pass from that child, when as father he'd sing
            To a child of his own? Who'd believe such a thing
            But that is the way that life is
            That is the way it is with time

          It was 20 years gone, when our parson came home
          From a journey he'd made far away
          He shook my hand hard, said the inn where he'd stayed
          Had some men who sang there every day
          And he'd listened with joy as one, with a bow
          sang the song that I'd found in the blade of my plough
                So he told them my name,but they said that my song
          Was as old as the hills, and our parson was wrong
                  I asked "Is that the way that life is?"
          He said, "That is the way it is my son."

    So I planted and ploughed till my bones bowed and bent
         I made up no more verses to sing
          And it seemed that my life had been wasted and spent
    on the curses my hard days would bring
    Soon death came to call with a voice that cried "Now!"
    And the song that I'd found in the blade of my plough
    Leaped from my heart as I journeyed on
    And I knew it would live even though I was gone
    And that is the way that life is
      That is the way it is for us all

    There's no names on the stones we sleep under today
      There's no books that can tell of our time
       But you know us so well when you sing roundelay
       For your singing our tune and our rhyme
      We are "Anon", you know us that way
      We had something to say about life in our day
      So we made our songs, and somewhere the sound of them
      Goes round and round to be lost and then found
      And that is the way that life is
      That is the way it is with songs

Subject: RE: John Lennon - Folk Singer
From: GUEST,guest...again
Date: 08 Feb 08 - 03:05 PM

No...no problem multi tasking either, and no problem with enthusiasm. But the vitriolic fervor which accompanies most of the answers to her posts should tell her, that maybe she is a little too enthusiastic! I used to thank jazzers were too serious, but man, too many stiff shirts on here sometimes! And myspace pages that lizzie created are fan sites, not official, so updating them is for her enjoyment, she's not drawing a salary for her work. Charlotte, I wrote this, you will notice not as a personal vendetta. I have not slagged her off once. Its just an observation that maybe, just maybe, she needs to understand why people have a problem with her. She says she doesn't give a toss about what others think, but I think thats a problem too, If you write about things as much as she does, wouldn't you through reasonable discourse hope to persuade someone one way or another? Wouldn't you enjoy that same discourse for being what it is, rather than holding onto some conspiracy theory regarding the BBC? Debate and discussion are a wonderful thing, and when it gets heated, you need to step back and tell the other person, hey...no offense, you're entitled to your opinion...we'll have to agree to disagree, etc? That is something that Lizzie doesn't seem to grasp very well

Subject: RE: John Lennon - Folk Singer
From: GUEST,The Mole Catcher's Apprentice
Date: 08 Feb 08 - 03:44 PM

I believe the phrase "some people" have a problem with her...a small equally vocal minority...the usual suspects, if you will. I'm not one of them, but, then again, I'm not tking sides either, this simply an observation

Once you start a website or Myspace, space that is based around a musican or group, it might be fan-based (and quite frankly I've seen fan-based sites that are far better than the so-called "official" websites) but it still must be kept up, and there's nothing, necessarily wrong with that.

Now, as this is off topic, this is my final word on the matter.

Charlotte (keeping it folkie)

Subject: RE: John Lennon - Folk Singer
From: GUEST,Whipcrackaway
Date: 08 Feb 08 - 05:53 PM

A child with an enchanting voice singing the haunting 'A Day in the Life'.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=Ytmw_4t3FCY

I think that a song deserves the 'folk' label when it is passed through the generations and endures through continued performance. And I don't mean karaoke machines or on CD or on radio - I mean in live performance.

'Norwegian Wood' always struck me as a superb melody that ought to have had a decent narrative. I bet it won't be performed and it won't last as long as 'Day in the Life' for that very reason.

I really enjoyed Allan and his boy's Youtube appearance. Wonderful stuff! Thank you.

Subject: RE: John Lennon - Folk Singer
From: GUEST,The Mole Catcher's Apprentice
Date: 09 Feb 08 - 11:56 AM

Hasn't Rubber Soul been described as The Beatle most acoustic album? Now I'm not saying it's folk mind you, but it is definitely very acoustic.

Charlotte (drives her own car)

Subject: RE: John Lennon - Folk Singer
From: KeithofChester
Date: 09 Feb 08 - 12:25 PM

Rubber Soul is indeed very acoustic.

There is a John Lennon Acoustic album, released a few of years back, that showcases a lot of his later solo work in very pleasant stripped back arranggments. I think the source of quite a bit of it was demos, although songs like his version of Working Class Hero were always pretty sparsely arranged anyway.

Let It Be was also much improved when Yoko Lennon-Carthy relented and let Paul Waterson-McCartney remove the worst of the Phil Spector excesses to produce Let It Be Naked.

Subject: RE: John Lennon - Folk Singer
From: GUEST,The Mole Catcher's Apprentice
Date: 09 Feb 08 - 01:02 PM

Let It Be has become much the better record, without the excesses of Phil Spector. Sorry to say (and it maybe my relatively young age speaking here) I, for one, have never quite "got" Phil Spector (thread drift..I know *LOL*)

Charlotte (somwhere along The Long and Winding Road)

Subject: RE: John Lennon - Folk Singer
From: Giant Folk Eyeball (inactive)
Date: 09 Feb 08 - 03:02 PM

Neither did I, but oh the hair... big flippin' hair

Subject: RE: John Lennon - Folk Singer
From: Waddon Pete
Date: 09 Feb 08 - 03:56 PM

Hey guys....you've missed that great contribution from Anon. That is a very fine piece of work. Whoever you are, Anon, you should also post it on the writers thread!

Writer's corner

If you are still out there...has it a tune?

Best wishes,

Peter

Subject: RE: John Lennon - Folk Singer
From: GUEST,The Mole Catcher's Apprentice
Date: 09 Feb 08 - 05:21 PM

Anon and Trad. Arr, the two most prolific writers in musical history
:-D

Charlotte (one of THEM)