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Buddy Holly - folk singer

Sir Roger de Beverley 02 Feb 08 - 06:30 AM
Lowden Jameswright 02 Feb 08 - 06:51 AM
GUEST,wordy 02 Feb 08 - 07:11 AM
catspaw49 02 Feb 08 - 07:32 AM
Backwoodsman 02 Feb 08 - 08:33 AM
number 6 02 Feb 08 - 08:44 AM
David C. Carter 02 Feb 08 - 08:54 AM
Sir Roger de Beverley 02 Feb 08 - 09:39 AM
bankley 02 Feb 08 - 10:26 AM
Bat Goddess 02 Feb 08 - 01:20 PM
The Sandman 03 Feb 08 - 05:36 AM
Dave Hanson 03 Feb 08 - 05:59 AM
GUEST,Acorn4 03 Feb 08 - 06:07 AM
Sir Roger de Beverley 03 Feb 08 - 08:00 AM
Cuddles 03 Feb 08 - 08:04 AM
NormanD 03 Feb 08 - 10:52 AM
Sir Roger de Beverley 03 Feb 08 - 11:35 AM
Peace 03 Feb 08 - 11:56 AM
Sir Roger de Beverley 04 Feb 08 - 04:49 PM
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Les from Hull 04 Feb 08 - 06:30 PM
The Sandman 04 Feb 08 - 06:50 PM
Big Al Whittle 05 Feb 08 - 02:32 PM
The Mole Catcher's Apprentice (inactive) 05 Feb 08 - 02:44 PM
The Sandman 05 Feb 08 - 05:59 PM
The Sandman 05 Feb 08 - 06:11 PM
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Cuddles 06 Feb 08 - 08:20 AM
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Subject: Buddy Holly - folk singer
From: Sir Roger de Beverley
Date: 02 Feb 08 - 06:30 AM

It is 49 years ago tomorrow (Feb. 3rd)since "the day the music died" and I have been listening to a couple of recordings that I knew existed but had never heard before yesterday:

Carolyn Hester backed by Buddy holly on acoustic guitar singing "Wreck of the Old 97" and "Scarlet Ribbons" - both recorded in 1957. The train song also has harmonica on it.

Given the a lot of folkies of my generation are also Holly freaks perhaps there is a case for Holly as a folk singer (see Lennon thread).

Roger


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Subject: RE: Buddy Holly - folk singer
From: Lowden Jameswright
Date: 02 Feb 08 - 06:51 AM

Had he lived he would have become the grand old man of rock, pop, folk, blues, old time, jazz, ragtime, country etc etc etc and a host of other genres not yet( and never to be) invented. He was a true innovator. Musicians should re-visit his songs and re-work them in different forms; folkie versions of many of Buddy's songs work like a charm.


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Subject: RE: Buddy Holly - folk singer
From: GUEST,wordy
Date: 02 Feb 08 - 07:11 AM

He had just moved to Greenwich Village and was visiting the jazz clubs. No doubt he would have been there for the folk revival and would have become involved in some way or other.


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Subject: RE: Buddy Holly - folk singer
From: catspaw49
Date: 02 Feb 08 - 07:32 AM

Lowden Jameswright --- I couldn't agree more although I'm sure you'll probably get quite a bit. There's no telling where he'd have gone sadly, but be assured there was a lot more that could have been.

Spaw


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Subject: RE: Buddy Holly - folk singer
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 02 Feb 08 - 08:33 AM

Lowden, right as usual mate! A man who was before his time and, sadly, left us before his time. As others say, the best was yet to come. But oh, those memories! Aaaaaaahh!


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Subject: RE: Buddy Holly - folk singer
From: number 6
Date: 02 Feb 08 - 08:44 AM

I can't help agree with Lowden's post also.

Though not a great fan of Holly, I do get anxious of what could have evolved when I hear his music.

biLL


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Subject: RE: Buddy Holly - folk singer
From: David C. Carter
Date: 02 Feb 08 - 08:54 AM

I do"Think it Over",Guitar and mouth harp,slowed down completely.Been doing it for a good few years now.I did it in a folk club once and a guy came up after, and said that he'd never heard that"Dylan song"before!
I think he brought a certain dignity to rock music.


David


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Subject: RE: Buddy Holly - folk singer
From: Sir Roger de Beverley
Date: 02 Feb 08 - 09:39 AM

He was brought up in a country tradition and played mandolin and tenor banjo as well as guitar - there are several home recordings of him playing manolin and acoustic guitar although I don't know of any with him on banjo.

No doubt traditionalists of all genres wouldn't agree but I think that his stuff took folk/country styles and moved rock and roll on into something much more subtle and interesting.

Is it not odd, though, that such a major artist still does not have a complete, digitally remastered box set and that much of his early stuff and the late acoustic demos can only be found in overdubbed versions. I try to get as much as I can but have to buy many duplicates in order to get at the rarities on a complex set of random issues on several different labels. The best collection was the UK issue six album vinyl set from the 1980s that had most of the apartment tape on it undubbed, but that has never been repeated on CD. There have been some recent CD releases that have covered some of the missing stuff but they are, as yet, incomplete.

Maybe there will be an effort made for the 50th anniversary next year.

R


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Subject: RE: Buddy Holly - folk singer
From: bankley
Date: 02 Feb 08 - 10:26 AM

"Maybe, Baby"


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Subject: RE: Buddy Holly - folk singer
From: Bat Goddess
Date: 02 Feb 08 - 01:20 PM

I love to sing Buddy Holly songs, there ar such wonderful opportunities for harmonies as well. I was a fairly precocious listening to pop music at the time (9 years old), but he still got extensive airplay in the '60s and his songs were covered, too, by the bands of the guys I dated.

I need to refresh my memory on "Heartbeat", "Oh, Boy" and a few others and start singing them again. (Don't panic, Tom; not at trad venues!)

Linn


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Subject: RE: Buddy Holly - folk singer
From: The Sandman
Date: 03 Feb 08 - 05:36 AM

good pop songs,and a good pop singer.


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Subject: RE: Buddy Holly - folk singer
From: Dave Hanson
Date: 03 Feb 08 - 05:59 AM

Steeleye Spans version of ' Rave On ' sure sounds like folk music to me.

eric


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Subject: RE: Buddy Holly - folk singer
From: GUEST,Acorn4
Date: 03 Feb 08 - 06:07 AM

It was pointed out on Mick Smith's country show last week that Buddy Holly was only a professional musician for eighteen months - makes the achievement even more astounding.


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Subject: RE: Buddy Holly - folk singer
From: Sir Roger de Beverley
Date: 03 Feb 08 - 08:00 AM

That'll be the day hit number one in the UK in late September 1957, The Crickets toured the UK in March 1958 and Holly was killed on February 3rd 1959 - so, not even eighteen months. Possible even more astounding considering his impact since is that he was only 22 when he died

R


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Subject: RE: Buddy Holly - folk singer
From: Cuddles
Date: 03 Feb 08 - 08:04 AM

Heavens! Do you know that I never realised Buddy was so young when he died. He wrote some cracking songs though, that's for sure. I recall seeing the musical 'Buddy' ages back now and I came out very impressed with his music.

I'm a bit younger than the Buddy Generation I should point out, hence my lack of knowledge about his age.


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Subject: RE: Buddy Holly - folk singer
From: NormanD
Date: 03 Feb 08 - 10:52 AM

There are a couple of strictly acoustic Buddy songs I know of: "Well All Right", and "You're The One". Just him and his guitar (maybe a bit of box slapping on the latter) - both lovely songs. There have been a few posthumous releases of his early acoustic demos of some of his songs, like "Peggy Sue Got Married", again just him + guitar, and again all wonderful.

Texan Carolyn Hester was produced by Norman Petty, Buddy's producer/manager, on her first recordings. I've never heard the songs Sir Roger mentions in his first post: "Wreck of the Old 97" and "Scarlet Ribbons". I know there were some recorded with BH on acoustic, but I thought they were never released, and now missing presumed gone. Carolyn Hester has said as much herself in interviews. Sir Roger, could you please tell me more details of these tracks, maybe in a PM unless you'd like to share more on the thread?

Thanks
Norman


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Subject: RE: Buddy Holly - folk singer
From: Sir Roger de Beverley
Date: 03 Feb 08 - 11:35 AM

Norman

There are two new CD releases from late 2007:

One has all of his recordings from 1956 on 2 CDs and is called "Hollybilly". The other has all of his recordings from 1957 on 3 CDs and is called "Not Fade Away". both are from El Toro records but you can see the track listings from any of the on-line record shops. The cheapest that I've found for these is HMV on-line.

When I say all of his recordings it includes interviews, live show recordings and demos and the quality is very variable. The two carolyn Hester tracks are on the 1957 recordings.

Roger


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Subject: RE: Buddy Holly - folk singer
From: Peace
Date: 03 Feb 08 - 11:56 AM

IMO, we could sure use him and his music these days. I guess Bill and his generation could have, too.

THE WORLD IS TOO MUCH WITH US

The world is too much with us; late and soon,
Getting and spending, we lay waste our powers:
Little we see in Nature that is ours;
We have given our hearts away, a sordid boon!
The Sea that bares her bosom to the moon;
The winds that will be howling at all hours,
And are up-gathered now like sleeping flowers;
For this, for everything, we are out of tune;
It moves us not.--Great God! I'd rather be
A Pagan suckled in a creed outworn;
So might I, standing on this pleasant lea,
Have glimpses that would make me less forlorn;
Have sight of Proteus rising from the sea;
Or hear old Triton blow his wreathed horn.

William Wordsworth


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Subject: RE: Buddy Holly - folk singer
From: Sir Roger de Beverley
Date: 04 Feb 08 - 04:49 PM

If anyone knows of a digital source of the apartment tapes - the tape left behind in his New York apartment when he went on the final tour I'd like to know, These were acoustic guitar and vocal demos of new songs and some covers and have been released in several overdubbed versions but, as far as I know, were only issued undubbed on vinyl in the UK and this was incomplete. I've never been able to find them on CD.

Songs on it include Peggy Sue Got Married, What To Do, Learning The Game, That Makes It Tough, Crying Waiting Hoping.

R


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Subject: RE: Buddy Holly - folk singer
From: GUEST,wordy
Date: 04 Feb 08 - 05:57 PM

I think "learning the game" is a perfect gem, both lyrically and melodically and shows us what we have missed.


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Subject: RE: Buddy Holly - folk singer
From: Les from Hull
Date: 04 Feb 08 - 06:30 PM

Sandy Denny did a wonderful version of Learning the Game - so it must be a folk song!


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Subject: RE: Buddy Holly - folk singer
From: The Sandman
Date: 04 Feb 08 - 06:50 PM

Songs on it include Peggy Sue Got Married, What To Do, Learning The Game, That Makes It Tough, Crying Waiting Hoping.
all love songs,would it be accurate to describe him as a Love Singer.


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Subject: RE: Buddy Holly - folk singer
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 05 Feb 08 - 02:32 PM

What he sang about is largely unimportant. He took two strains of ethnic American music - R and B/ Country. And quite successfully fused them. Rather like Ashley Hutchings did with English folk music and rock music.

Buddy Holly is a big hitter - his influence was bigger than Ashley's. You can't pretend you never heard Buddy Holly. If you try to exclude his music from your own - you make you make your own music odd sounding and perverse. because Buddy and his contemporaries set the trend - they got into everybody's soul.


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Subject: RE: Buddy Holly - folk singer
From: The Mole Catcher's Apprentice (inactive)
Date: 05 Feb 08 - 02:44 PM

Heck.... if you can folkify (is there such a word?) Duane Eddy, which The Ashley Hutchings Big Beat Combo did on their record Twangin' n' A-Traddin' (listen to Simon Care's melodeon playing on The Duane Eddy Medley), what's stopping Buddy Holly's music getting into the rural picture?

Charlotte (the boogy-woogy piano girl from Company C)


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Subject: RE: Buddy Holly - folk singer
From: The Sandman
Date: 05 Feb 08 - 05:59 PM

From: weelittledrummer - PM
Date: 05 Feb 08 - 02:32 PM

What he sang about is largely unimportant.
you said it.
I agree with you pleasant sound,lyrics of no importance.


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Subject: RE: Buddy Holly - folk singer
From: The Sandman
Date: 05 Feb 08 - 06:11 PM

Sorry WlD, Buddy Holly, has had no influence upon me.
PeteSeeger, yes Burl Ives,Harry Cox,but Buddy Holly no.
I dont dislike him,but influence me no ,AndyCaven likes him though a I can Honestly say,I dont think I can hear his influence in my music.checkout my website and please tell me if I am wrong.http://www.dickmiles.com


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Subject: RE: Buddy Holly - folk singer
From: Dave Hanson
Date: 06 Feb 08 - 03:08 AM

I once saw Andy Caven in a folk club, more of a pop singer than folk.

eric


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Subject: RE: Buddy Holly - folk singer
From: The Sandman
Date: 06 Feb 08 - 04:47 AM

good, at what he did though.
In fact when I ran a folk club,he was requested, so I booked him[twice I think].
as an organiser I worked on the principle,that I booked certain amount of that which I liked,and acertain amount of people requested by members,so we ende up with a broad spectrum ,from Andy Caven to John and Julia Clifford.
I would not have booked JohnLennon/Britney Spears impersonators,we all have our individual boundaries that are purely subjective,but as an organiser that is one of the perks of the job.
in the end it is organisers who decide who gets the work.the organisers have to be aware of their audience,and there are different kinds of folk audiences.Dick Miles


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Subject: RE: Buddy Holly - folk singer
From: Cuddles
Date: 06 Feb 08 - 08:20 AM

"I would not have booked JohnLennon/Britney Spears impersonators,we all have our individual boundaries that are purely subjective,but as an organiser that is one of the perks of the job..."

Oh well, if you don't have Britney Wannabees at your club I ain't comin'! ;-)

"..in the end it is organisers who decide who gets the work.the organisers have to be aware of their audience,and there are different kinds of folk audiences.Dick Miles"

Erm, forgive me, but that doth sound somewhat controlling of people's musical careers.

YOU 'decide' who gets the work?

I guess that no musician would dare cross those who feel that way, for if they refused to feed the somewhat over-inflated egos of people who have the 'I'm in charge!' attitude they are simply crossed off the list.....as in....

"Here endeth your musical career mate!"

And THAT is why some folk clubs are dying on their feet.

Cuddles


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Subject: RE: Buddy Holly - folk singer
From: GUEST,Mr Red
Date: 06 Feb 08 - 08:36 AM

given enough time I think Holly's own songs will sit comfortably in the folk genre. but it may take another 49 years


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Subject: RE: Buddy Holly - folk singer
From: The Sandman
Date: 06 Feb 08 - 09:54 AM

Cuddles, I stopped running a folkclub in 1987.,so dont blame me
Cuddles,I have been professional folksinger since 1976,and that is the way it has always been,and its the same with festivals,organisers decide who is booked.
your logic is flawed ,because festivals are flourishing.
The Snail,who has been pursuing me beligerently of late ,helps to organise a folk club in Lewes.
Lewes has two folk clubs,now I have played one of these clubs several times in the in past,but the Snail never bothered to turn up when I played these clubs,if he had he would know what kind of modern songs I sing,and that I always introduce modernsongs as a modern song written by then the author,
furthermore if he went to my website,he would see I had a book of self penned songs available for purchase,and he could listen to recordings of my singing and playing.
Now I dont need to play his club so I can speak my mind.http://www.dickmiles.com


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Subject: RE: Buddy Holly - folk singer
From: GUEST,The Mole Catcher's Apprentice
Date: 06 Feb 08 - 11:12 AM

"pleasant sound (ing),lyrics of no importance."

I've come across more than a few "folk" songs (traditional and self-penned)that would fit this description perfectly, so you see, it works both ways.

Charlotte (chassing dust-bunnies underneath the piano)


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Subject: RE: Buddy Holly - folk singer
From: Sir Roger de Beverley
Date: 06 Feb 08 - 11:29 AM

No love songs allowed in folk music - I hadn't realised


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Subject: RE: Buddy Holly - folk singer
From: GUEST,Edthefolkie
Date: 06 Feb 08 - 12:00 PM

I never realised Buddy had moved to Greenwich Village before he died. Can you imagine if he'd stayed there for a few years and wandered into the Cafe Wha or similar when this little bloke called Bob was performing for pennies/free food? My God.

And yes - WHY isn't there a good compilation containing the apartment tapes? I remember the UK vinyl collection with them on, but I was errr..."financially embarrassed" at the time.


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Subject: RE: Buddy Holly - folk singer
From: NormanD
Date: 06 Feb 08 - 12:27 PM

Well, my good Captain, I would love to hear your version of BH's "Crying, Waiting, Hoping" - the song of his that came to mind as I was listening to the music samples on your site. Go on, try it! Next time in the shower, maybe.

Norman


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Subject: RE: Buddy Holly - folk singer
From: GUEST,TJ in San Diego
Date: 06 Feb 08 - 02:41 PM

I'll be attending my 50th high school reunion this fall. Buddy Holly was a hot item on our cafeteria jukebox and a favorite of mine at the time, along with the Dell Vikings and Platters, among others. Looking back on it, I can picture him singing folk songs or striking out in a jazz direction. As an aside, if he and the "Crickets" could sound that good out of a garage recording studio in Clovis, New Mexico, imagine what he could have done in a first-class facility.


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Subject: RE: Buddy Holly - folk singer
From: NormanD
Date: 06 Feb 08 - 02:49 PM

There is a story that BH was keen to record with Ray Charles. He went to his house but he wasn't at home. Now that would have been some collaboration had it ever happened!

norman


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Subject: RE: Buddy Holly - folk singer
From: bradfordian
Date: 26 Jan 09 - 07:08 AM

OK, now we are comming up to the landmark 50th anniversary (3rd Feb 2009)and a chance to add further thoughts. No doubt there is gonna be some media coverage and BBC Radio 2 have a prog on Sat night(31st Jan) 7pm called "Cryin', Waitin', Hopin'". In terms of his short career, his output was quite prolific, and I'm sure, enduring.
We have the shows, tours, films, & TV progs which have provided some insight to his life, and of course Don MacLean's American Pie had an impact on the publics awareness of the man and his music.
The music has endured for 50 years and surely that is significant!

Bradfordian


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Subject: RE: Buddy Holly - folk singer
From: GUEST,Paul Steele
Date: 26 Jan 09 - 07:38 AM

Sheppey Folk & Blues Club, Minster Working Men's Club, Union Road, Minster, Sheppey 2nd February 2009 - A Buddy Holly Evening.
Your chance to Buddy Holly songs you might not be able to do at other clubs! Admission £ 2.00. Compere for the evening Cllr Mike Brown who actually saw Buddy Holly in London.

Paul


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Subject: RE: Buddy Holly - folk singer
From: Phil Edwards
Date: 26 Jan 09 - 09:29 AM

Wordy, last year some time:

He had just moved to Greenwich Village and was visiting the jazz clubs. No doubt he would have been there for the folk revival and would have become involved in some way or other.

Oh man...! I want to go to that universe. I want to go to that universe right now.

Seriously, I can't begin to imagine Buddy Goes Folk. It would have been worth hearing, though.


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Subject: RE: Buddy Holly - folk singer
From: NormanD
Date: 26 Jan 09 - 09:32 AM

I went to a music night at the East Dulwich Tavern (London) a few weeks back. The DJ was playing vinyl, including a 45 (on the Coral label) of "Real Wild Child" by Ivan - that is, Jerry Ivan Allison (the drummer of The Crickets) with Buddy on guitar. Wonderful song.

Also, Buddy produced and played on the first version of "Jolie Blonde" I ever heard, the one by Waylon Jennings, sung in Creole-French. It also has King Curtis on sax. Folk music? You bet it was!

Has a digital release turned up yet of the un-dubbed Apartment tapes?

And at least one Buddy Holly song contains lyrics of quite some social importance, that transcend the description of "love song":
'Drunk man/Street car/Foot slips/There you are....'


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Subject: RE: Buddy Holly - folk singer
From: bankley
Date: 26 Jan 09 - 11:13 AM

'maybe baby'


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Subject: RE: Buddy Holly - folk singer
From: GUEST,Mr Yeahbut
Date: 26 Jan 09 - 11:26 AM

for any Holly fans who don't already know,

maybe of interest to google "purple chick Buddy Holly"

absolutely fantastic definitive[???] 'unofficial' 10 CD and DVD collection.

..and I paid a lot of money out of my student grant
for the vinyl 'complete' box-set back in the 80's


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Subject: RE: Buddy Holly - folk singer
From: GUEST,Mr Yeahbut
Date: 26 Jan 09 - 11:53 AM

for info and conjecture on proposed Buddy Holly and other vintage artists 'legit' releases..

http://www.websitetoolbox.com/mb/bsnpubs?forum=6414


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Subject: RE: Buddy Holly - folk singer
From: GUEST,LANZAROTE BIOY
Date: 26 Jan 09 - 11:55 AM

Tuesday Feb 3rd from 8.30pm - Sun Inn , Beverley. Open mic night dedicated to Buddy Holly = pm wild boy for details

R


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Subject: RE: Buddy Holly - folk singer
From: Darowyn
Date: 27 Jan 09 - 04:42 AM

There was a programme on BBC radio yesterday that played one of the Buddy Holly home tapes that had a very slow version of "Slipping and a Sliding", with some evidence that Buddy was playing around with the idea of doing a Chipmunks style speeded-up novelty version. He was already pushing his two tape machines to the limit. It would not have been long before somebody introduced him to Les Paul and his early multitracker.
It's another indication of how much was lost with his death.
Buddy Holly as an experimental musician and explorer of technology.
Sad
Cheers
dave


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Subject: RE: Buddy Holly - folk singer
From: GUEST,Tunesmith
Date: 27 Jan 09 - 01:04 PM

Of course, Buddy - like Eddie Cochran - seemed to moving towards a less rock oriented style of music when he died. Elvis, of course, went that way too, in the late 50s.


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Subject: RE: Buddy Holly - folk singer
From: NormanD
Date: 27 Jan 09 - 02:29 PM

Yes, that last phase of his life seemed to be going into a musically different direction: strings and songs written by other writers (presumably chosen by his record company or producer). Very nice, mind you - such as "True Love Ways" and "Moon Dreams" - but a big shift from the r&B-rootsy rock and rockabilly. I think that his move to New York, and split with The Crickets, was to set himself up as a songwriter. The New York tapes were demos for others (The Everley Brothers later picked up at least one).

Anyone here ever get to see him?


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Subject: RE: Buddy Holly - folk singer
From: GUEST,TJ in San Diego
Date: 27 Jan 09 - 05:36 PM

I was trying to recall all the famous folks who came from Lubbock, Texas. Buddy Holly, of course, and Waylong Jennings, I think, among others. But none of them stayed there. There must be something to the old Mac Davis song, "Happiness is Lubbock Texas in My Rear-View Mirror." I have several acquaintances who graduated from Texas Tech, but, again, none of them live there.


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Subject: RE: Buddy Holly - folk singer
From: NormanD
Date: 28 Jan 09 - 05:26 AM

There is also Joe Ely, Butch Hancock, Jimmie Dale Gilmore, Terry Allen - all from Lubbock.

Terry Allen once said something along the lines of a UFO having landed there in the early 1950s caused all this musical talent.


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Subject: RE: Buddy Holly - folk singer
From: GUEST,wordy
Date: 28 Jan 09 - 08:03 AM

And Sonny Curtis was from there too. "love you more than I can say"
"I fought the law" "Hello Marylou" etc..an original Cricket.


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Subject: RE: Buddy Holly - folk singer
From: The Villan
Date: 28 Jan 09 - 08:21 AM

Not sure if any of this has been posted already on this thread, so will do it just in case. I originall posted it on The Gainsborough Folk Club perma thread.

Eat yer hearts out

"Peggy Sue Got Married" was first overdubbed in 1959 and later in 1963 again. Buddy wrote this song in the last half of 1958 and recorded it December 5, 1958 in his New Yorker Apartment, all by himself, as a Demo.

Buddy Holly - Peggy Sue Got Married (Demo)

I like this version

However this is one of favourites

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=E7qCihGcxEs&feature=related

Who are the Picks

http://www.pickrecords.com/


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Subject: RE: Buddy Holly - folk singer
From: NormanD
Date: 28 Jan 09 - 11:47 AM

Sorry, but those overdubs by The Picks on "Well All Right" are terrible! The song should have been left alone as it was originally released - simple and unadorned, an example of acoustic rock. I know The Picks appeared on the early singles like "Oh Boy", but I do dislike those oohs and aahs.

BH may well have been the first performer whose posthumous work was milked almost dry. Producer Norman Petty issued a load of demo tapes, overdubbed with a rock band (The Fireballs, and pretty good, I must admit), but also a load of tape splicing and overdubbing to stretch some of the songs out. Most of the unadorned originals do sound pretty good, such as the version of PSGM, posted above.


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Subject: RE: Buddy Holly - folk singer
From: The Villan
Date: 28 Jan 09 - 12:19 PM

I agree Norman.

That particular example of Well Alright is pretty poor with the backing. I like the song, but couldn't find the original version released on 45

Les


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Subject: RE: Buddy Holly - folk singer
From: cptsnapper
Date: 28 Jan 09 - 12:41 PM

Of course Buddy shares his anniversary with Joe Meek, the pioneering record producer who died 42 years ago. Joe was heavily influenced by Buddy and wrote " Tribute To Buddy Holly " as recorded by Mike Berry & The Outlaws.


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Subject: RE: Buddy Holly - folk singer
From: NormanD
Date: 28 Jan 09 - 01:24 PM

He chose the day, didn't he? Not that he left a note...


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Subject: RE: Buddy Holly - folk singer
From: Midchuck
Date: 28 Jan 09 - 05:36 PM

I was trying to recall all the famous folks who came from Lubbock, Texas. Buddy Holly, of course, and Waylong Jennings

"Waylong" Jennings? What a great screen name for a singing, guitar playing, porn star!

Peter


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Subject: RE: Buddy Holly - folk singer
From: oldhippie
Date: 28 Jan 09 - 07:24 PM

"Scarlet Ribbons" and "Wreck of the Old 97" are both on Carolyn's LP "Scarlet Ribbons", but that LP doesn't credit Buddy Holly with any background instrumentation. I haven't heard the CD cuts.


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Subject: RE: Buddy Holly - folk singer
From: Beer
Date: 28 Jan 09 - 09:40 PM

I'll venture in saying the following. Hendrix, Joplin, Elvis, Jim Reeves, Johnny Horton, Hank Williams just to name a few were artist that had they lived would have continued to bring us great music. But their patterns would have remained the same(in my opinion). I completely agree with Lowden Jameswright comment at the top of the thread. God only knows where B.Holly would have taken us on "His ride".
For the living, think what we would be asking if Dylan had left us way back then.
Beer (adrien)


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Subject: RE: Buddy Holly - folk singer
From: Ian Fyvie
Date: 28 Jan 09 - 10:14 PM


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Subject: RE: Buddy Holly - folk singer
From: Sir Roger de Beverley
Date: 30 Jan 09 - 09:43 AM

I posted to this thread in February 2008 that I hoped that there would be some effort for the 50th anniversary to produce a decent, digitally remastered box set that including all of the undubbed recordings. However, I now read that they are issuing a 2CD "best of" this week - probably about the 207th version of that to come out so far.

Unfortunately there is no way to get some of the recordings without resorting to bootlegs - I would rather pay the price for a legit box set that included everything but it simply isn't there except as illegal(but good quality) digital files.

R


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Subject: RE: Buddy Holly - folk singer
From: GUEST,Edthefolkie
Date: 30 Jan 09 - 10:40 AM

By coincidence, I have just been looking at the 1983-ish BBC Arena documentary about Buddy. Brilliant - featured the surviving Crickets, Maria Elena Holly, Don and Phil Everly, Mrs. Petty on celeste etc. No late apartment demos though. Also no sign of the BBC putting this out for the anniversary - come ON chaps!

At least Richard Williams of The Guardian has his heart in the right place...

http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2009/jan/30/buddy-holly-rock-roll

Rave On....


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Subject: RE: Buddy Holly - folk singer
From: Sir Roger de Beverley
Date: 30 Jan 09 - 11:31 AM

I bought a dodgy CD from Ebay titled "11 Fifth Avenue". It has all of the apartment tape undubbed followed by the Jack Hansen overdubs and then the later Norman Petty ones - a total of 33 tracks.

The quality is excellent and it cost £3 something. If the bootleggers can do it why not the record company?

R


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Subject: RE: Buddy Holly - folk singer
From: Clifton53
Date: 30 Jan 09 - 11:40 AM

My first musical hero even though he was already gone when I was 5 or so, but I've never stopped listening or wondering what new music he'd have created. Can't help but dream about him recording in a Traveling Wilburys type situation with other stars of our time.

Buddy Holly lives!!!


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Subject: RE: Buddy Holly - folk singer
From: GUEST,Mr Yeahbut
Date: 30 Jan 09 - 11:50 AM

just for info..

"Buddy Holly Complete 10 disk set (v-2)(Purple Chick)
-----------------------------------------------------
[b]Disc 1:[/b]
1. My Two Timin' Woman
2. I'll Just Pretend
3. Take There Shackles From My Heart [b][sic? "the Shackles" ..?][/b]
4. Footprints In The Snow
5. Gotta Get You Near Me Blues
6. Flower Of My Heart
7. Door To My Heart
8. I Gambled My Heart
9. Soft Place In My Heart [b][orig: "Placce "][/b]
10. Gotta Get You Near Me Blues
11. You And I Are Through
12. Memories
13. You And I Are Through
14. Baby It's Love
15. Memories
16. Queen Of The Ballroom
17. Baby Let's Play House
18. Down The Line
19. Baby Let's Play House
20. Down The Line
21. Moonlight Baby
22. I Guess I Was A Fool
23. Don't Come Back Knockin'
24. Love Me
25. Love Me
26. Don't Come Back Knockin'
27. Midnight Shift
28. Blue Days, Black Nights
29. Baby Won't You Come Out Tonight
30. I Guess I Was A Fool
31. It's Not My Fault
32. I'm Gonna Set My Foot Down
33. Changin' All Those Changes
34. Rock-A-Bye Rock
35. Because I Love You

[b]Disc 2:[/b]
1. Baby Won't You Come Out Tonight
2. Because I Love You
3. Changin' All Those Changes
4. I'm Gonna Set My Foot Down
5. It's Not My Fault
6. Rock-A-Bye Rock
7. Rock Around With Ollie Vee
8. Rock Around With Ollie Vee
9. I'm Changin' All Those Changes
10. I'm Changin' All Those Changes
11. That'll Be The Day
12. Girl On My Mind
13. Ting-A-Ling
14. Rock Around With Ollie Vee
15. Modern Don Juan
16. You're My One Desire (false start)
17. You're My One Desire
18. Gone (ver 1)
19. Gone (ver 2)
20. Gone (ver 3)
21. Have You Ever Been Lonely (ver 1)
22. Have You Ever Been Lonely (ver 2)
23. Have You Ever Been Lonely (ver 3)
24. Have You Ever Been Lonely (ver 4)
25. Brown-Eyed Handsome Man
26. Good Rockin' Tonight
27. Rip It Up
28. Blue Monday
29. Honky Tonk
30. Blue Suede Shoes
31. Shake Rattle and Roll
32. Bo Diddley
33. Ain't Got No Home
34. Holly Hop
35. Gone
36. Rip It Up
37. Honky Tonk
38. Blue Suede Shoes
39. Shake Rattle and Roll
40. Have You Ever Been Lonely
41. Good Rockin' Tonight
42. Blue Monday
43. Ain't Got No Home
44. Holly Hop

[b]Disc 3:[/b]
1. Brown-Eyed Handsome Man
2. Bo Diddley
3. Brown-Eyed Handsome Man
4. Bo Diddley
5. I'm Looking For Someone To Love
6. That'll Be The Day
7. Last Night
8. Maybe Baby
9. Words Of Love
10. Last Night
11. Maybe Baby
12. Words Of Love
13. Mailman Bring Me No More Blues
14. Mailman Bring Me No More Blues
15. Not Fade away
16. Not Fade Away
17. Everyday
18. Ready Teddy
19. Valley Of Tears
20. Tell Me How
21. Peggy Sue (alternate)
22. Peggy Sue (master)
23. Listen To Me
24. That'll be The Day - Bob Thiele
25. That'll Be The Day - Murray Deutch
26. That'll Be The Day - Bill Randall
27. Oh Boy (undubbed)
28. Oh Boy (master)
29. I'm Gonna Love You Too
30. Send Me Some Loving (undubbed)
31. It's Too Late (undubbed)
32. Send Me Some Loving (master)
33. It's Too Late (master)
34. Am Emtpy Cup (A Broken Date)
35. Rock Me My Baby
36. You've Got Love
37. Maybe Baby
38. That'll Be The Day (fragment)
39. That'll Be The Day
40. Peggy Sue
41. Interview with Ed Sullivan

[b]Disc 4:[/b]
1. Little Baby
2. (You're So Square) Baby I Don't Care
3. Look At Me
4. Look At Me
5. Mona (rehearsal)
6. Mona (rehearsal)
7. Mona (rehearsal)
8. Mona (rehearsal)
9. Peggy Sue
10. Rave On
11. That's My Desire (rehearsal)
12. That's My Desire (take 1)
13. That's My Desire (take 2)
14. That's My Desire (take 3)
15. That's My Desire (take 3)
16. Oh Boy
17. Well All Right
18. Take Your Time (take 1)
19. Take Your Time (take 2)
20. Take Your Time (take 3)
21. Take Your Time (take 4)
22. Fool's Paradise (take 1)
23. Fool's Paradise (take 2)
24. Fool's Paradise (take 3)
25. Think It Over (take 1)
26. Think It Over (take 2)
27. Think It Over (take 3)
28. Think It Over (take 4)
29. Think It Over (take 5)
30. Fool's Paradise (take 3 - master)
31. Fool's Paradise (take 5 - master)
32. That'll Be The Day (fragment)
33. Everyday (fragment)
34. Drown In My Own Tears (fragment)
35. Hallelujah, I Love Her So (fragment)
36. That'll Be The Day
37. Peggy Sue
38. Oh Boy
39. Maybe Baby
40. Heartbeat
41. Lonesome Tears
42. It's So Easy
43. Love's Made A Fool Of You
44. Wishing
45. Love's Made A Fool Of You
46. Wishing

[b]Disc 5:[/b]
1. Early In The Morning
2. Now We're One (fragment)
3. Now We're One
4. Everyday KLLL Jingle
5. Peggy Sue KLLL Jingle
6. Come Back Baby
7. Reminiscing
8. Reminiscing
9. True Love Ways (stereo)
10. It Doesn't Matter Anymore (stereo) [b][orig: "MAtter"][/b]
11. Raining In My Heart (stereo)
12. Moondreams (stereo)
13. True Love Ways (mono)
14. It Doesn't Matter Anymore (mono)
15. Raining In My Heart (mono)
16. Moondreams (mono)
17. That's What They Say (version 1)
18. That's What They Say (version 2)
19. What To Do
20. Peggy Sue Got Married
21. That Makes It Tough
22. Crying, Waiting, Hoping
23. Learning The Game
24. You're The One
25. Wait 'Til The Sun Shines Nellie
26. Slippin' And Slidin' (slow #1)
27. Slippin' And Slidin' (slow #3)
28. Slippin' And Slidin' (slow #2)
29. Slippin' And Slidin' (fast)
30. Drown In My Own Tears (fragment)
31. Maria Elena
32. Dearest (version 1)
33. Dearest (version 2)
34. Love Is Strange
35. Smokey Joe's Cafe
36. Smokey Joe's Cafe (unedited)
37. Buddy's Guitar

[b]Disc 6:[/b]
1. Peggy Sue Got Married
2. Crying, Waiting, Hoping
3. That's What They Say
4. What To Do
5. Learning The Game
6. That Makes It Tough
7. What To Do
8. Peggy Sue Got Married
9. Crying, Waiting, Hoping
10. That Makes It Tough
11. That's What They Say
12. Learning The Game
13. You're The One
14. Umm, Oh Yeah (Dearest)
15. Slippin' and Slidin' (slow #1)
16. Wait 'Til The Sun Shines Nellie
17. Wait 'Til The Sun Shines Nellie
18. Love Is Strange
19. Slippin' and Slidin' (fast)
20. Dearest
21. Smokey Joe's Cafe
22. Peggy Sue Got Married
23. Got To Get You Near Me Blues
24. Memories
25. Baby Let's Play House
26. Last Night
27. Oh Boy
28. Send Me Dome Loving
29. It's Too Late
30. That's My Desire
31. Fool's Paradise
32. Think It Over
33. Love's Made A Fool Of You
34. Wishing

[b]Disc 7:[/b]
1. I Saw The Moon Cry Last Night
2. I Hear The Lord Callin' For Me
3. All From Loving You
4. Rose Of Monterey
5. Because You Love Me
6. I'll Miss My Heart
7. Queen Of The Ballroom
8. This Bottle
9. Dallas Boogie
10. One In A Million
11. Go Boy Go
12. Gone
13. Go Boy Go
14. Gone
15. The Golden Rocket
16. I Overlooked An Orchid
17. A Whole Lot Of Lovin' (take 1)
18. A Whole Lot Of Lovin' (take 2)
19. A Whole Lot Of Lovin' (take 3)
20. A Whole Lot Of Lovin' (take 3 - dubbed master)
21. It's A Wonderful Feeling
22. Starlight
23. Believe Me
24. By The Mission Wall
25. A Man From Texas
26. Broken Promises
27. Humble Heart
28. Look To The Future
29. Honey Honey
30. Sugartime (version 1)
31. Sugartime (version 2)
32. One Faded Rose (version 1)
33. One Faded Rose (version 2)

[b]Disc 8:[/b]
1. Moondreams (album version)
2. Moondreams (single version)
3. Moondreams (alternate version)
4. Don't Do Me This Way
5. Patty Baby
6. Don't Do Me This Way
7. Real Wild Child (take 1)
8. Real Wild Child (take 2)
9. Oh You Beautiful Doll (take 1)
10. Oh You Beautiful Doll (take 2)
11. Oh You Beautiful Doll (take 2 - dubbed master)
12. Scarlet Ribbons
13. Wreck Of The Old '97
14. I Sent You Roses
15. What a' You Gonna Do?
16. When Sin Stops (take 1 - instr)
17. When Sin Stops (take 2 - instr)
18. When Sin Stops (take 3 - instr)
19. When Sin Stops (take 4 - vocal)
20. When Sin Stops (take 5 - vocal)
21. When Sin Stops (take 6 - vocal)
22. When Sin Stops (take 2 - dubbed master)
23. Jole Blon [b][sic?][/b]
24. Stay Close To Me (false start)
25. Stay Close To Me
26. Don't Cha Know
27. More and More
28. When You Are Lonely
29. My Best Friend (my baby's coming home)
30. My Baby's Coming Home (dubbed)
31. I Know I'll Have The Blues Again
32. Monetta
33. A Whole Lot Of Lovin'
34. Moondreams #1 - Norman Petty Trio
35. Moondreams #2 - Norman Petty Trio
36. Oh, You Beautiful Doll - Ivan
37. When Sin Stops - Waylon Jennings

[b]Disc 9:[/b]
1. The Paul Cohen Phone Call
2. Bill Randle WERE Promo
3. Bill Randle WERE Promo
4. Don Passerby Promo
5. Don Passerby Promo
6. Don Passerby Promo
7. Don Passerby Promo
8. Red Robinson Promo
9. Red Robison Interview
10. Freeman Hover Interview
11. Freeman Hover Promo
12. Dale Lowery Interview
13. Pat Barton Interview
14. Bob Chesney Interview
15. Bob Chesney / WTRL Promo
16. KSYD Wichita Falls Promo
17. Dick Arlen WACK Promo
18. Alan Freed Interview
19. Ronnie King Interview
20. Dick Clark Interview
21. Big Bopper Winter Dance Party
22. Richie Valens Winter Dance Party
23. Buddy Holly Winter Dance Party
24. Newscast about the Plane Crash
25. WNOE Plane Crash Newscast
26. Newscast about the Plane Crash
27. Ella and Lawrence Holly
28. Norman Petty Defends Himself
29. Raining In My Heart (1959)
30. True Love Ways (1967)
31. It Doesn't Matter Anymore (1967)
32. What To Do (1967)
33. Learning The Game (1967)
34. Not Fade Away (complete alternate)
35. Peggy Sue Got Married
36. Crying, Waiting, Hoping
37. Wait Til The Sun Shines Nellie - Bing Crosby
38. Slippin' and Slidin' - Little Richard
39. Dearest - Mickey and Sylvia
40. Love Is Strange - Mickey and Sylvia
41. Smokey Joe's Cafe - The Robins
42. Leave My Woman Alone - Ray Charles

[b]Disc 10:[/b]
1. My Two Timin' Woman - Hank Snow
2. I'll Just Pretend - Flatt and Scruggs and the Stanley Brothers
3. Take These Shackles From My Heart - Pee Wee King
4. Footprints In The Snow - Bill Monroe and his Bluegrass Boys
5. Baby, Let's Play House - Elvis Presley, Scotty and Bill
6. Blue Days, Black Nights - Ben Hall, Weldon Myrick, Dena Hall
7. I Forgot To Remember To Forget - Elvis Presley, Scotty and Bill [b][orig: "Foprgot"][/b]
8. Ting A Ling - The Clovers
9. Gone - Ferlin Husky
10. Have You Ever Been Lonely? - Ernest Tubb
11. Brown-Eyed Handsome Man - Chuck Berry
12. Good Rockin' Tonight - Elvis Presley
13. Rip It Up - Little Richard
14. Blue Monday - Fats Domino
15. Honky Tonk (Part 1) - Bill Doggett
16. Blue Suede Shoes - Elvis Presley
17. Shake Rattle and Roll - Elvis Presley
18. Bo Diddley - Bo Diddley
19. Ain't Got No Home - Clarence "Frogman" Henry
20. Ready Teddy - Little Richard
21. Valley Of Tears - Fats Domino
22. All Of My Love - Sonny West
23. Send Me Sone Lovin' - Little Richard
24. It's Too Late - Chuck Willis
25. An Empty Cup - Roy Orbison and the Teen Kings
26. (You're So Square) Baby I Don't Care - Elvis Presley
27. Mona - Bo Diddley
28. Rave On - Sonny West
29. That's My Desire - Frankie Lane
30. Drown In My Own Tears - Ray Charles
31. Hallelujah I Love Her So - Ray Charles
32. Early In The Morning - Bobby Darin
33. Now We're One - Bobby Darin"


all pretty much in 'best available' sound quality..

and then theres also the DVD release of existing footage
to consider downloading as well..

entire collection takes anything up to a week on slow to moderate speed torrent..
so I've been told...


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Subject: RE: Buddy Holly - folk singer
From: GUEST,Mr Yeahbut
Date: 30 Jan 09 - 11:59 AM

just to add..

the entire CD Boxset in flac is approx 2.75gb

and the DVD approx 2.2gb..


and heres an an interesting read

http://www.furious.com/perfect/buddyholly.html


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Subject: RE: Buddy Holly - folk singer
From: GUEST,High Hopes
Date: 30 Jan 09 - 12:15 PM

Buddy Holly recorded by folk singers

http://www.informatik.uni-hamburg.de/~zierke/steeleye.span/songs/raveon.html


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Subject: RE: Buddy Holly - folk singer
From: GUEST,High Hopes
Date: 30 Jan 09 - 12:17 PM

oops that should be

Steeleye Span does Buddy Holly


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Subject: RE: Buddy Holly - folk singer
From: GUEST,Shimrod
Date: 30 Jan 09 - 01:53 PM

I remember the days when no-one in the UK had heard of Buddy Holly (early 60s). Then he flew into a mountain and he was suddenly famous and everyone claimed that they had been listening to him for years. A smart marketing ploy ... with one small snag ...


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Subject: RE: Buddy Holly - folk singer
From: GUEST,Mr Yeahbut
Date: 30 Jan 09 - 02:01 PM

and for more detailed 'research'..

http://www.bigozine2.com/features06/BHcomplete.html


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Subject: RE: Buddy Holly - folk singer
From: GUEST,wordy
Date: 30 Jan 09 - 02:24 PM

Shimrod..not funny! There were many of us hooked from the first release. I had every single, two LPs, knew every word and can never forget the moment I saw the Daily Mirror headline;"Rock stars die in crash" with a picture of Holly on the front page. Feb 3rd is always a sad sad day for me and others like me. What is it they say today? "Respect"? Please give it.


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Subject: RE: Buddy Holly - folk singer
From: GUEST,High Hopes
Date: 30 Jan 09 - 02:39 PM

actually the plane crashed into a field near Clear Lake, Iowa, no mountains there last time I looked.
Buddy Holly etc...


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Subject: RE: Buddy Holly - folk singer
From: GUEST,Tunesmith
Date: 31 Jan 09 - 03:42 AM

I don't what planet Shimrod was living on back in the late 50s, but in my school in 1958, if you couldn't sing every word of every Buddy Holly hit you'd have been considered very strange! Holly was massive in the UK before his death. He toured the country and appeared on the tv show with by far the highest viewing figures:"Sunday Night at the London Paladium". This was at a time when visiting American rock stars seemed like magical creatures from a different universe! Shimrod will be telling us next that nobody in Britain was interested he Eddie Cochran until after his fateful crash!


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Subject: RE: Buddy Holly - folk singer
From: Will Fly
Date: 31 Jan 09 - 03:55 AM

As far as I know, some US stars like Buddy Holly, Gene Vincent and Eddie Cochrane had a relatively greater following in the UK than in their home country - with bigger record sales in some cases. Holly's tour over here was sensational. Looking back through a biog I have of him, it's clear that his US career was at a difficult point, at the time of his death.


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Subject: RE: Buddy Holly - folk singer
From: GUEST,Mike Rogers
Date: 31 Jan 09 - 06:07 AM

Nostalgia trips to 50 years ago strain the memory a bit.
I'd just turned 13 when Holly died and I didn't own a record player then. I had a little trannie for Radio Luxembourg but there was little by way of rock on the Beeb. I think it was still Saturday SKIFFLE Club back then.
TV had the Billy Cotton Band Show with Breezy slaughtering, sorry, covering some of the big hits but opportunities for me and many others to hear the real stuff were confined to visting friends who had record players, cramming into listening booths in record shops,
the annual fair or the jukebox in the coffee bar - the latter being a den of iniquity of course. This is what I heard. Of course, the story could be wrong.
I do recall the affection shown by us Brits to the guys like Holly, Cochran, Vincent and the Everlys, who bothered to make the trip over here, unlike Elvis, sadly constrained by the dreadful Colonel.


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Subject: RE: Buddy Holly - folk singer
From: bradfordian
Date: 31 Jan 09 - 07:17 AM

Tonight (Sat 31st Jan 2009, BBC Radio2, 7.00pm)

Crying, Waiting, Hoping: The Story of Buddy Holly's Last Tour

Steve Harley tells the story of the ill-advised tour which ended with the deaths of Buddy Holly, Ritchie Valens and JP 'The Big Bopper' Richardson.

Brad.


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Subject: RE: Buddy Holly - folk singer
From: GUEST,Shimrod
Date: 31 Jan 09 - 12:18 PM

"actually the plane crashed into a field near Clear Lake, Iowa, no mountains there last time I looked."

Oh yeah! 'Fields' and 'mountains' - I'm always getting them mixed up!


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Subject: RE: Buddy Holly - folk singer
From: GUEST,Tunesmith
Date: 31 Jan 09 - 03:04 PM

How about adding the "sea" to that list. Somebody, only today, was telling me that John Denver died when his plane flew in to a mountain.


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Subject: RE: Buddy Holly - folk singer
From: GUEST
Date: 31 Jan 09 - 04:21 PM

Steeleye Span, the English electric folk-rock band, once did an a-capella version of Rave On, by the rock and roll (and now it seems, folk) performer Buddy Holly. You can't get much more cross-fertilisation than that.

The English folk duo, Mr. Fox (Bob and Carolanne Pegg) did a song called "Aunt Lucy Broadwood" which seems to me to be the first (and so far only) example of a new genre called "Folk Rap". Aunt Lucy Broadwood as many of you will know was a folk song collector (I think contemporary with Cecil "C." Sharp, or D. Flatt as he is sometimes called, brother of L. Flatt who performs with E. Scruggs).

I sometimes sing in the Key of E. Scruggs


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Subject: RE: Buddy Holly - folk singer
From: bradfordian
Date: 02 Feb 09 - 07:14 PM

Today 50 years ago, the names of Buddy Holly, Ritchie Valens, and J.P. Richardson aka The Big Bopper, passed into (pop)musical folklore, having lost their lives in a tragic accident. We commemorate their ultimate sacrifice, and salute their remarkable legacy. Tho not neccesarily "folk" heros, their contribution to popular music culture, considering their short careers, is widely recognised and aprreciated.

In the UK we also remember Joe Meek who died this day in 1967.

Brad


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Subject: RE: Buddy Holly - folk singer
From: Sir Roger de Beverley
Date: 03 Feb 09 - 04:55 AM

Joe Meek was a Buddy Holly freak and killed himself on the anniversary of Holly's death. He claimed to be receiving messages from beyond the grave that inspired him in his record production work. He produced the Geoff Goddard written "Tribute to Buddy Holly" which was sung by Mike Berry.

R


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Subject: RE: Buddy Holly - folk singer
From: Sir Roger de Beverley
Date: 03 Feb 09 - 05:03 AM

The respected Guardian newspaper in the UK runs a daily column in their comment section entitled "In praise of....." This is todays:

In praise of ... Buddy Holly

It was not really, as the song later claimed, the day the music died. It was not even the end of rock'n'roll, though it was, arguably, the end of the beginning. Yet, for those who can remember the moment, 50 years ago this week, when the news came through that Buddy Holly and three companions had died in a light plane crash near Clear Lake, Iowa, it remains a day that is hard to forget. Buddy Holly's career was incredibly short. His first hit single, That'll be the Day, was released in May 1957. Twenty months later, aged 22, he was dead, after a string of classics that shaped the music of the Beatles era and still enjoy iconic status. Today the music industry is an archipelago of specialist styles. In Holly's day, there was still something close to a unified tradition. He became a rock singer after seeing Elvis Presley perform in Lubbock, Texas, where Holly was born and is buried. When Holly toured Britain in 1958, the schoolboy Keith Richards was in the audience for one of his London gigs. Two nights before Holly died, the 17-year-old Bob Dylan saw him perform in Duluth, Minnesota. Holly was a trailblazer in his own right, though: one of the first stars to write a lot of his own material - including Peggy Sue, Maybe Baby and Words of Love. When he played in New York he played, unusually for a white rock star, at the Apollo in Harlem. His early death set a grim sort of trend too. But it is hard to think of anyone in rock music who packed such quality, influence and immortality into such a short life.


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Subject: RE: Buddy Holly - folk singer
From: Lowden Jameswright
Date: 03 Feb 09 - 07:28 AM

The snow outside our windows today is a poignant reminder of that dreadful day. I was twelve yrs old and a massive fan. My best pal was in tears as he came into the school hall for lunch and I asked him what was wrong - he was the first to hear the news. We were absolutely devastated. From that day I knew I had to own a guitar and learn to play his songs.

His acoustic versions of his songs are an inspiration to anyone playing acoustic guitar. As I said at the beginning of this thread - they really are worth re-visiting and playing in a folk style.

The music will never die...


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Subject: RE: Buddy Holly - folk singer
From: bradfordian
Date: 03 Feb 09 - 10:35 AM

Sorry about thread creep, but here's a couple of interesting and topical links from the BBC (My apologies if you can't get this outside the UK)
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/7861891.stm
Peggy Sue
http://search.bbc.co.uk/search?uri=%2Fprogrammes&go=toolbar&tab=tvradio&q=buddy%20holly&scope=all
Buddy related radio recordings

brad


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Subject: RE: Buddy Holly - folk singer
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 03 Feb 09 - 10:59 AM

If you listen to many of Buddy's recordings loud through headphones, the playing is very heavy indeed, perhaps the seeds of Heavy Rock!!


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Subject: RE: Buddy Holly - folk singer
From: soulkat9
Date: 03 Feb 09 - 11:08 AM

Much of the great singers of those days, Buddy Holly, Elvis, Dean Martin. THey transcended genres and sang in different styles really well.


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Subject: RE: Buddy Holly - folk singer
From: NormanD
Date: 03 Feb 09 - 12:03 PM

Can we list some of Buddy's songs that HAVE been recorded "folk style" by other performers? By "folk", I mean mainly acoustic.

Clive Gregson's Any Trouble did a simple acoustic version of "Learning The Game".


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Subject: RE: Buddy Holly - folk singer
From: GUEST,DJ of the day
Date: 03 Feb 09 - 01:37 PM

don't forget, if it hasn't already been mentioned, Rock On (The Bunch album) . Learning the Game and That'll Be The day are both on this great recording


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Subject: RE: Buddy Holly - folk singer
From: NormanD
Date: 03 Feb 09 - 04:20 PM

"Rock On (The Bunch album) . Learning the Game and That'll Be The day are both on this great recording" Also "Love's Made A Fool Of You" that Holly wrote for The Everley Brothers.


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Subject: RE: Buddy Holly - folk singer
From: olddude
Date: 03 Feb 09 - 04:45 PM

Today marks the 50-year anniversary of the plane crash that, on February 3, 1959, killed Buddy Holly, Ritchie Valens and JP Richardson ("The Big Bopper"). The three icons died in a small airplane thatRemembering Buddy Holly, Ritchie Valens and the Big Bopper 50 Years Latercrashed in Clear Lake, Iowa.The crash also killed the 21-year-old pilot, Roger Peterson


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Subject: RE: Buddy Holly - folk singer
From: olddude
Date: 03 Feb 09 - 04:46 PM

oops sorry already posted


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Subject: RE: Buddy Holly - folk singer
From: PoppaGator
Date: 03 Feb 09 - 05:10 PM

Buddy Holly is absolutely worth remembering.

Don McLean's overwrought and overlong song is not.


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Subject: RE: Buddy Holly - folk singer
From: GUEST,wordy
Date: 03 Feb 09 - 07:12 PM

So here I've been all day, Feb 3rd, 50 years to the day. Not an easy day to get through, so many memories and emotions. Thrilled to see a new documentary on Sky Arts and 3 programmes on BBC radio this week. Then we sit down to see the next episode of "West Wing".We've bought the complete set and are working our way through with immense pleasure at the writing. Then;
Charlie; "You have to go to the concert tonight Mr President, it's important".
President; "Why? Has Buddy Holly come back?"
That did it!
Such a suprise and a serendipity, that line on this night.
I finally fall apart.
But I also think any other writer would have gone for the cheap option and said "Why? Has Elvis come back?"
I tip my hat to Sorkin yet again.


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Subject: RE: Buddy Holly - folk singer
From: Penny S.
Date: 04 Feb 09 - 03:42 AM

This takes me back to my teens at the Congregational Church Badminton Club, where the musical background was Holly, augmented for some reason by Edith Piaf.

I didn't find out for ages that Holly had died n my birthday.

Penny


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Subject: RE: Buddy Holly - folk singer
From: Les from Hull
Date: 04 Feb 09 - 10:00 AM

Ed the folkie - the Arena programme you mentioned is on BBC4 tonight, along with the Buddy Holly biopic. It's Buddy Holly Night, starting at 9pm.


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Subject: RE: Buddy Holly - folk singer
From: Sir Roger de Beverley
Date: 04 Feb 09 - 11:17 AM

Rather lazy programming from BBC4, and not even on the right night! The Arena programme is a repeat from 1985 and the film has appeared on TV loads of times before - couldn't they have made a bit of an effort for the 50th?

R


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Subject: RE: Buddy Holly - folk singer
From: NormanD
Date: 04 Feb 09 - 12:59 PM

"The Arena programme is a repeat from 1985....couldn't they have made a bit of an effort for the 50th?"

They have - they are showing the programme for the 50th time.


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