Music - 'no longer changes the world'

Subject: RE: Music - 'no longer changes the world'
From: KeithofChester
Date: 11 Feb 08 - 07:54 AM

"Always give your best, never get discouraged, never be petty; always remember, others may hate you, but those who hate you don't win unless you hate them, and then you destroy yourself".

-RMN

Subject: RE: Music - 'no longer changes the world'
From: number 6
Date: 11 Feb 08 - 09:03 AM

If I may so lightly intrude here ...

Great post Beer .... my advice to many people who complain about life is ... get a dog, grow a garden and take up the guitar.

biLL

Subject: RE: Music - 'no longer changes the world'
From: GUEST,The Mole Catcher's Apprentice
Date: 11 Feb 08 - 11:18 AM

Joseph Lennon and Groucho Marx

Charlotte (aux barricades!)

Subject: RE: Music - 'no longer changes the world'
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 11 Feb 08 - 11:28 AM

Bitter Lemon and Skid Marks


G (Aux armes citoyen(ne)s!)

Subject: RE: Music - 'no longer changes the world'
From: Folkiedave
Date: 11 Feb 08 - 11:51 AM

Je suis marxiste - tendence groucho.

This should be renamed the incredible shrinking thread!!

(Thanks Joe!!) :-)

Dave

Subject: RE: Music - 'no longer changes the world'
From: Wesley S
Date: 11 Feb 08 - 01:03 PM

I think Beer came closest to hitting this on the head. Where are the new sources of socially aware music? "Ohio" got a fair amount of airplay in it's day. So did "Blowing in the Wind". IF someone were to write a modern day version of these songs we have to know that they wouldn't be touched by radio. Where would these songs find an audience ? IF someone were writing them. And they aren't.

Subject: RE: Music - 'no longer changes the world'
From: topical tom
Date: 11 Feb 08 - 01:22 PM

That was a great post, Adrien. You said it all so well.

Subject: RE: Music - 'no longer changes the world'
From: Jeri
Date: 11 Feb 08 - 06:16 PM

Music NEVER changed the world.
PEOPLE change the world.

I remember a recent political pile of poop over here because a candidate was accused of giving people 'false hope'. The only time I think hope is false is when people give up on it. One reason people give up hope is some other jerk running around calling it 'false' and trying to make folks believe they can't do a damned thing.

Music inspires. Music gives people hope and makes them believe they can do something to change the world, and music makes the journey lighter. Music lightens the heart, stirs the blood and motivates the spirit.

Music can change people, and people change the world.

Subject: RE: Music - 'no longer changes the world'
From: Andrez
Date: 12 Feb 08 - 06:19 AM

Big Mick, I've done a quick 'net search without success. I hadnt even heard of Rick Fielding let alone his song Voices of Struggle. Pardon the ignorance! Is there a version online somewhere out there that you know of? I'd like to hear the song in its musical setting?

Cheers,

Andrez

Subject: RE: Music - 'no longer changes the world'
From: GUEST, Sminky
Date: 12 Feb 08 - 07:33 AM

Music never changed the world?

Oh, so 'You Were Made For Me' by Freddie and the Dreamers causing Krakatoa to erupt in 1883 is just something I made up, huh?

"Plate tectonics" indeed!

You decide.

Subject: RE: Music - 'no longer changes the world'
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 12 Feb 08 - 07:42 AM

Nah, that was 'Lava Come Back to Me', by Magnuss Magmasson.

Subject: RE: Music - 'no longer changes the world'
From: mattkeen
Date: 12 Feb 08 - 09:01 AM

Quote : "Music never changed the world?

Oh, so 'You Were Made For Me' by Freddie and the Dreamers causing Krakatoa to erupt in 1883 is just something I made up, huh?

"Plate tectonics" indeed!

You decide."



That is very funny Sminky

Subject: RE: Music - 'no longer changes the world'
From: Stringsinger
Date: 12 Feb 08 - 11:33 AM

There was one song that might have changed the world a little. "We Shall Overcome".

No one here has defined what "changing the world" means.

When school kids all over the world sing "This Land Is Your Land", are they being educated some how? Does that education change them?

obviously, Dick, "This machine kills fascists" was meant in a metaphorical sense.
it was Woody expressing his views on Hitler. Did Woody's songs change someone's mind?
How do we know? Maybe some dead fascist ideas trailed behind his guitar.

Does music change the world? If a song changes one person's mind, does that constitute
"changing the world"? Or does a song/lyric just reinforce what a person already believes?

Heres what I think. A finely written song contains elements such as specificity, pictures,
dialogue sometimes, craft with successful rhymes and stanzaic consistency, singability (not so complex as requiring a coloratura to sing it), a consistent central idea, an ability to have the listener "own" it, an attractive melody, a focus so that you know who is singing the song (in the song) and why, variety and contrast, and impels not only the listener but the singer. It's content can vary from all ranges of emotional experience.

When an audience hears a song like this, they changed. Since audiences are part of the world and are all over the world, then some audiences over the world are changed.
Does this change the whole world? Does it change "some worlds"?

Frank Hamilton

Subject: RE: Music - 'no longer changes the world'
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 12 Feb 08 - 01:47 PM

"If a man were permitted to make all the ballads, he need not care who should make the laws of the nation".
Andrew Fletcher of Saltoun 1655-1716

Subject: RE: Music - 'no longer changes the world'
From: Wesley S
Date: 12 Feb 08 - 02:18 PM

Andrez - Start with this link:

Rick Fielding

Rick was a well loved member of the Mudcat that died back in 2004. If you do a search on his name here you'll eventually run across his posts. All of them are well worth reading. He was a fountain of knowledge.

Subject: RE: Music - 'no longer changes the world'
From: dick greenhaus
Date: 12 Feb 08 - 08:39 PM

Organized people change the world. Music can help support the organizations. That's about it.

Subject: RE: Music - 'no longer changes the world'
From: Andrez
Date: 13 Feb 08 - 05:30 PM

Thanks for that link Wesley, I'm a little wiser about Rick now. I'd still like to hear the musical setting for the Voices of Struggle song. I'll keep a lookout for it.

Cheers,

Andrez