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Subject: RE: BS: Obama bin Laden???... From: Riginslinger Date: 08 Mar 08 - 04:52 PM I can't imagine anyone who has been exposed to a chronic meth user who would think for a minute that Hillary was one. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama bin Laden???... From: Ron Davies Date: 07 Mar 08 - 11:48 PM Lebanese Methodist and lesbian meth addict? Well, I don't know anything about the first accusation, maybe you can explore the validity of that one, Neil. But Amos and I are trying to squelch the rumor of her meth addiction, in particular. And I don't think it's fair to speculate on her possible lesbian tendencies. But after all, if there is anything to it, she sure didn't have very good luck in her main heterosexual connection--so I think we should cut her some slack. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama bin Laden???... From: Amos Date: 07 Mar 08 - 10:45 AM Damn. I goofed the fluke on that one, didn't I!! :D A |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama bin Laden???... From: Amos Date: 07 Mar 08 - 10:44 AM Nope. THis is. A |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama bin Laden???... From: GUEST,Neil D Date: 07 Mar 08 - 10:38 AM With Wesleyan tendencies? No way can she be president. This is the 100th post. Yeah, me! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama bin Laden???... From: GUEST,Neil D Date: 07 Mar 08 - 10:16 AM What's this? Hillary is Lebanese Methodist? My God man! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama bin Laden???... From: Riginslinger Date: 07 Mar 08 - 10:11 AM I suppose, and of course, she could have false teeth too! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama bin Laden???... From: Amos Date: 07 Mar 08 - 09:44 AM Well, I dunno, Rig. Your opinion about the rumor that she is a lesbian meth-addict is that she doesn't look like a meth addict to you. Well, I respect that, but at the same time, can we really just go by appearances? Wouldn't that be a little superficial? A |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama bin Laden???... From: Riginslinger Date: 07 Mar 08 - 08:06 AM I don't know. Most of the meth addicts I've met are really, really skinny, and have a lot of teeth missing. Somehow Hillary just doesn't look like a meth addict. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama bin Laden???... From: Ron Davies Date: 06 Mar 08 - 08:37 PM Yes, but I don't think we should use that expression "strung out". That tends to play into the unproven allegation that Hillary is a meth addict. We should think of another, more neutral expression. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama bin Laden???... From: Amos Date: 05 Mar 08 - 10:55 AM There must be some reason people go around everywhere passing that rumor about her being a lesbian meth-addict, you know--the old saying, "where there's smoke, there's fire" comes to mind. But really, if she says there's no truth to those rumors, maybe we should just give her the benefit of the doubt. I think that's the charitable thing to do, don't you? We don't want her to get all strung out. A |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama bin Laden???... From: Ron Davies Date: 04 Mar 08 - 11:41 PM Yes, I've always said that I can't imagine where the rumors that Hillary is a lesbian meth addict come from. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama bin Laden???... From: Amos Date: 04 Mar 08 - 10:15 AM I also take Hillary at her word that she is not a lesbian meth-amphetamine addict. Sure, there have been rumours, but, no I think we should accept what she tells us in rebuttal. A |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama bin Laden???... From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 04 Mar 08 - 07:59 AM Isn't it her turn to be in charge? That would mean Bill as assistant dogcatcher... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama bin Laden???... From: Ron Davies Date: 03 Mar 08 - 11:35 PM Ah, yes, one other possibility: he may be a Moslem masquerading as a Christian--another theory I've seen on the Net. All options left by her statement. Thank you, Hillary. Perhaps you should join your spouse--you can be assistant dogcatcher to help him out--sounds about right for the pair of you. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama bin Laden???... From: Ron Davies Date: 03 Mar 08 - 11:27 PM Well, now look who's playing the "Obama may be a Moslem" game. From 60 Minutes 2 Mar 2008: Steve Kroft: "You don't believe that Sen Obama is a Moslem" Hillary Clinton: " Of course not. I mean, that, you know, there is no basis for that. I take him on the basis of what he says. And, you know, there isn't any reason to doubt that". Kroft: You said you'd take Senator Obama at his word that he's not... a Moslem. You don't believe that he's..." Clinton: (interrupting): No. No there is nothing to base that on. As far as I know." "As far as I know". Thank you, Mr Cheney. (Shades of --Did Saddam cause 9-11? "I'm not here to state that.") Look, Hillary is a lawyer. She knows exactly how to leave no doubt---and how to leave doubt. This is nothing short of completely despicable. And what happened to the "reject and denounce" standard she demanded re: Farrakhan? Only a one-way street, it appears. Particularly revolting since she also likes to use the Farrakhan connection attack. And of course Obama has also been attacked for belonging to a church with a predominantly black focus. So he may be a Moslem. Or he may be member of a church with few whites. Whichever Hillary supporters want to use at a given point. There is a qualitative difference between attacking your opponent on the basis of political disagreements or corruption charges and smearing on a religious basis--especially, as noted earlier, playing into the well-known Islamophobia now infesting the US. But Hillary, in her desperation, appears to conveniently forgotten the difference. For that, even if there were nothing else, she deserves to lose the nomination. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama bin Laden???... From: Charley Noble Date: 03 Mar 08 - 09:16 PM I also have a bone to pick with Don but that's so buried in this thread by what's his name's posts that Don will never see it. Don, the boniest fish in the world is the shad. In fact I can attest that shad are all bone, no meat at all, despite what my grandmother would say, such as "Shut up an' eat your shad!" I don't have a clue what Obama's postion on shad is, nor Clinton's for that matter. Maybe Amos has some idea, a voice of reason in this cavern of echoes. Let there be light! Charley Noble |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama bin Laden???... From: Amos Date: 03 Mar 08 - 08:17 PM Allo- (A Greek root, I think) == "Different"\\Phobic (Gr. phobos, fear) "fearing". Compare allopathic -- medicine that heals by administering substances different than that causing the disease, such as antbiotics. A |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama bin Laden???... From: Donuel Date: 03 Mar 08 - 08:07 PM Speaking of Arnold, my wife spent some time with him and his wife today along with about 14 more of the Kennedy clan. They named a wing at work after Eunice so all the Kenedy's showd up, including the extranious genetic material from Schwartzenegger. She said he is barely 5 ft eleven. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama bin Laden???... From: Q (Frank Staplin) Date: 02 Mar 08 - 08:06 PM Way up there somewhere, 'allophobic' was applied to at least some people. It is in neither the OED nor Webster's, so it must be a very dirty word. Shame on you! Perhaps he should change his name- to Abdul Abulbul Amir? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama bin Laden???... From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 02 Mar 08 - 07:43 PM Here's a link to what Jim Wallis of the Sojourners ("Christians for Justice and Peace") wrote about all this - Defending the Facts on Obama's Faith: "...a loud-mouth radio talk show host in Cincinnati let loose with a barrage of disparaging remarks against Senator Obama and kept using his middle name—Barack HUSSEIN Obama—over and over, seemingly to tie into the Internet accusations that Obama is really a Muslim who, as a child, attended a Muslim "madrassa" school in Indonesia that taught Islamic fundamentalism, etc." |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama bin Laden???... From: Ron Davies Date: 29 Feb 08 - 09:45 PM By the way, Rig, good one on the "leveraged buyout"! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama bin Laden???... From: Ron Davies Date: 29 Feb 08 - 09:37 PM Jim-- I note you've just made another Mudcat friend. Congratulations. As for your earlier response to my post, I assure you my heart bleeds for you, truly. Now, are you going to start actually giving sources and facts or just continue running off at the mouth? I notice that though it seemed you perhaps might not have agreed with my representation of your views, you still have not answered the question. And by the way, do you still think it's perfectly fine to emphasize Obama's middle name over and over? I suppose that's just another way of asking just how clueless you are. Perhaps you are actually unaware that at a time of Islamophobia, as I noted, implying a connection between Obama and Saddam is really not a nice thing to do. And if you don't think that saying Barack Hussein Obama over and over is implying a connection, you, like Teribus, need to spend some time at your public library finding out about propaganda. It's interesting that that sledge-hammer approach to propaganda seems still to have been too subtle for you. One thing I do agree with you on however--if you have a criticism to make, a PM is not the right medium. If you have some critical comment to make, best to make it right out in the open where everybody can see it--though obviously if they don't like it, they can skip a particular post. Looking forward to your next calm, even-tempered post. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama bin Laden???... From: Kim C Date: 29 Feb 08 - 10:48 AM Hey Look! A chicken! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama bin Laden???... From: Stringsinger Date: 29 Feb 08 - 09:58 AM OBL is dead. Bhutto said so before she died. Frank |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama bin Laden???... From: Charley Noble Date: 29 Feb 08 - 09:11 AM Well, Jim Lad, doesn't appreciate PM's. That's now clear. I usually consider PM's a useful a non-public option for communicating with people whose comments appear "off the wall." I've actually had some good experiences with PM's, and gained a broader impression of some posters I've disagreed with, and even gained mutual respect. I will note that Jim Lad considers such attempts to be civil "idiotic." Next time, Jim Lad, don't bother with the "please" and "thank you." Just say whatever you really feel like saying. Cheerily, Charley Noble Note to Joe Clones: consider deleting this post or the whole thread |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama bin Laden???... From: Jim Lad Date: 28 Feb 08 - 10:52 PM Please: No more idiotic PMs. Thank You. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama bin Laden???... From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 28 Feb 08 - 04:19 PM Think of Hussein as an Arabic equivalent of Kevin. Both names mean the same - good looking. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama bin Laden???... From: Amos Date: 28 Feb 08 - 02:49 PM From Salon.com: "Obama should be proud to be named Hussein The attacks on Barack Obama's middle name have begun, but the likely Democratic nominee joins a long line of famous Americans with Semitic names, from Benjamin Franklin to Omar Bradley. By Juan Cole Feb. 28, 2008 | In Cincinnati, Bill Cunningham, according to the Los Angeles Times, introducing presidential candidate John McCain at a rally Tuesday, "ridiculed Democratic contender Barack Obama for his intention to meet with 'world leaders who want to kill us' and pointedly referred to the Illinois senator as 'Barack Hussein Obama.'" John McCain repudiated Cunningham's low tactics and said that using the middle name like that three times was "inappropriate" and would never happen again at one of his rallies. I want to say something about Barack Hussein Obama's name. It is a name to be proud of. It is an American name. It is a blessed name. It is a heroic name, as heroic and American in its own way as the name of Gen. Omar Nelson Bradley or the name of Benjamin Franklin. And denigrating that name is a form of racial and religious bigotry of the most vile and debased sort. It is a prejudice against names deriving from Semitic languages! Christian, Western heroes have often been bequeathed Middle Eastern names. Rodrigo Diaz de Vivar, the medieval Spanish hero, carried the name El Cid, from the Arabic al-Sayyid, "the Lord." Barack and Hussein are Semitic words. Americans have been named with Semitic names since the founding of the republic. Fourteen of our 43 presidents have had Semitic names (see below). And American English contains many Arabic-derived words that we use every day and without which we would be much impoverished. America is a world civilization with a world heritage, something Cunningham will never understand." |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama bin Laden???... From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 28 Feb 08 - 11:21 AM Or "what he said". |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama bin Laden???... From: irishenglish Date: 28 Feb 08 - 11:17 AM Jim Lad and Bee dubya ell-was away from here for a day, but the gripe you have with me using one SINGLE word, "remarks" is puzzling and, nitpicking. Any number of news sources when that happened talked about Bill Cunningham's remarks, and John McCain's distancing himself from those same remarks. Don't believe me? Google Bill Cunningham, you'll see. Can't believe you even bother wasting your time with that-what else are you supposed to call it? "The opening statement, dialogue, diatrabe, hogwash, introduction, etc." Hmm... I have a better one, how about remarks? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama bin Laden???... From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 28 Feb 08 - 10:15 AM If bases were "regarded as US soil" in American law they wouldn't ahve been able to get away with all the dodgy stuff in Guantanamo Bay, which has been founded on the claim that since it is not US soil, US laws don't apply there. (And nor do Cuban laws.) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama bin Laden???... From: Bee-dubya-ell Date: 28 Feb 08 - 07:04 AM Jim, just a mistake on my part. Like all patriarchal misogynists I assume everyone is born in his father's homeland.... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama bin Laden???... From: Jim Lad Date: 28 Feb 08 - 03:22 AM But for the purpose of being born there? That's what we're talking about. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama bin Laden???... From: artbrooks Date: 28 Feb 08 - 12:52 AM "Military Bases are regarded as U.S. soil." Not hardly. Most bases are subject to what is called a Status of Forces Agreement, which governs the legal status of military personnel. Some SOFAs also include military dependents and US citizens who are employed on base. Depending on the terms of the SOFA, these civilians may or may not be subject to local legal processes. In many cases, a civilian committing a crime on a military base is liable to prosecution according to the laws of the host nation; in others (and Japan is one) members of the military are subject to local law if they commit an offense against a local national, on base or not. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama bin Laden???... From: Jim Lad Date: 27 Feb 08 - 11:26 PM Thanks Bee-dubya-ell: I don't know about the last part but the rest is right. There are many U.S. citizens who were born in military bases in foreign countries. That is because the Military Bases are regarded as U.S. soil. Same goes for embassies. As far as having an American parent and being born TO another country. I don't know. I'll take your word for it. Having said all that. Where did the idea that he was born in Africa come from? Is this a popular misconception or just something you picked up wrong? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama bin Laden???... From: Amos Date: 27 Feb 08 - 10:32 PM |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama bin Laden???... From: Bee-dubya-ell Date: 27 Feb 08 - 10:02 PM Jim, Arnold isn't running because he's a naturalized citizen of the United States, not a natural-born citizen. He was born an Austrian citizen and went through a legal process to become a U.S. citizen. Madeleine Albrght also cannot run for President because she also is a naturalized citizen. She was born a citizen of Czechoslavakia. But even if Obama had been born in Kenya, as I mistakenly thought he had been, he would still be a natural-born citizen of the U.S. because his mother was a U.S. citizen. The law or the United States regarding birth-right citizenship, also known as natural-born citizenship, is this: 1) Any person born on U.S. territory is automatically a citizen of the Unitied States, regardless of the citizenship status of his parents. The only notable exception to this rule is that the children of foreign diplomats or occupying forces are not automatically U.S. citizens. 2) Any person whose mother is a citizen of the United States is automatically a U.S. citizen regardless of whether or not the birth takes place on U.S. soil. It makes no difference whether or not the father is a U.S. citizen. 3) Any person whose father is a U.S. citizen, but whose mother is not, is automatically a U.S. citizen, provided that the father acknowledges paternity by the child's 18th birthday. Any natural-born citizen can run for President, regardless of where he was born, regardless of where he grew up, as long as he's at least 35 years old and has lived in the U.S. for fourteen years. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama bin Laden???... From: Jim Lad Date: 27 Feb 08 - 09:51 PM No, MOH. Interrupting a political debate to offer that kind of personal insult, has no place in any forum. It is absolutely inexcusable. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama bin Laden???... From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 27 Feb 08 - 09:16 PM Squabble, squabble... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama bin Laden???... From: Jim Lad Date: 27 Feb 08 - 09:06 PM Ron Davies: Your total disregard for the facts, misrepresentation of my views and name calling, along with your snide accusations of racial prejudice , make you one of the most repulsive individuals whom I have ever had the misfortune to encounter on this site. For your punishment, you get to be you. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama bin Laden???... From: Riginslinger Date: 27 Feb 08 - 08:53 PM "Are you by some chance a wholly owned subsidiary of Rig's Smears R Us?" No! I attempted a leveraged buyout, but was unsucessful. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama bin Laden???... From: Ron Davies Date: 27 Feb 08 - 08:49 PM Jim-- Obama scares you? That's the reason for your pattern? You make a snide comment about him--e.g. that Hillary gets her contributions from small donors, in contrast to Obama. Then when called on this obvious falsehood, you back off, whining that this is just an internet forum--and therefore, evidently, that nobody should be interested in accuracy and sources. And now you're back saying that emphasizing "Hussein" as Obama's middle name is no big deal--at a time of rampant Islamophobia, stoked by our current alleged leader, and endorsed by courageous giant intellects on Mudcat like our beloved pdq. Certainly hope that racism is not behind your attitude--we don't need that, and you'd best be aware of that fact. Of course, having "the milk of human kindness by the quart in every vein", I will assume that you are in fact not racist, just abysmally ignorant. Your contributions on the current US political scene so far support this diagnosis to the n'th degree. Where in the US do you live, that you know so little about current political conditions? If you are by some chance outside the US, it would behoove you to find better sources of information--easy to do on the Net--and to find them before favoring us again with your incisive insights. When I comment on Hillary, I support my charges with facts. You for some reason seem to be averse to facts and sources--you seem rather to prefer innuendo and disingenuous smearing. Are you by some chance a wholly owned subsidiary of Rig's Smears R Us? A principled defense can be made of some of Hillary's behavior--but there's a world of difference between that and your ill-informed, if not smarmy approach. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama bin Laden???... From: Jim Lad Date: 27 Feb 08 - 08:46 PM No, you are not stupid. You are just misinterpreting what you read. Read this...."No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President;" and this...."neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States." That's why Arnold ain't running. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama bin Laden???... From: Bee-dubya-ell Date: 27 Feb 08 - 07:58 PM Read what again? I'm apparently stupid. Please point it out. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama bin Laden???... From: Jim Lad Date: 27 Feb 08 - 07:51 PM Bee-dubya-ell: Read it again. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama bin Laden???... From: Bee-dubya-ell Date: 27 Feb 08 - 07:39 PM I didn't have much choice about leaving, Amos. Dad's hitch in the Marines was up and I wasn't yet a year old. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama bin Laden???... From: artbrooks Date: 27 Feb 08 - 06:18 PM GUEST, 10:50 AM - one of the house rules here is that you must use a consistent name, by putting something - anything - in the FROM box. If you don't, deletion is the least that may happen to you. Another alternative is killer electrons being forced back to your computer and you being zapped between the eyebrows. :>) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama bin Laden???... From: artbrooks Date: 27 Feb 08 - 06:14 PM The Marines wouldn't take him? :>) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama bin Laden???... From: Amos Date: 27 Feb 08 - 03:19 PM GAwdammit BWL -- whud you leave for? A |
