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Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry - What a star!
From: GUEST,Ellie
Date: 11 Feb 09 - 10:08 AM

John, Now I know your not confused. Your just half baked. So you support the Windsor family. Poor man.


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Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry - What a star!
From: Stu
Date: 11 Feb 09 - 09:45 AM

What's so repugnant about being anti-royalist?


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Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry - What a star!
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 11 Feb 09 - 08:24 AM

Whatever! Your rabble rousing anti royalist clap trap is not appropriate on a folk music site.
You may not be BNP but you are just as nasty and insiduous, with equally repugnant views.


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Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry - What a star!
From: GUEST,Ellie
Date: 11 Feb 09 - 08:14 AM

Eh John, think your kinda confused, did you not mean Anti BNP member ?


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Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry - What a star!
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 11 Feb 09 - 05:18 AM

ALERT

BNP trolls


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Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry - What a star!
From: gnu
Date: 24 Jan 09 - 05:39 PM

"ginger"? Oh my... the racism! The inhumanity! I think I shall have to leave this thread and never return.

Hehehe. Why I bothered to post in the first plcae is odd to me. Saturday night and not much to do, I guess.


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Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry - What a star!
From: GUEST,Alan
Date: 24 Jan 09 - 05:27 PM

Prince Harry,third in line to the throne, has split with his girlfriend Chelsy Davy after five years.

24-year-old Hewitt split with Davy, a post-graduate law student at Leeds University, weeks after holidaying with her in Mauritius which was "eventful".

It was Davy's decision to end the relationship.The Zimbabwe-born daughter of millionaire safari operator Charles Davy said on a social website.

They separated in late 2007, apparently because Harry missed Davy's 22nd birthday party to watch the rugby World Cup final in Paris, but she missed the limelight and took him back.

It must be hard on the bloke, and to make matters worse, he's ginger.


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Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry - What a star!
From: gnu
Date: 24 Jan 09 - 04:41 PM

Ere yees still going on about what a young lad said in a war zone? Terminology regarding the enemy is a long "tradition". It's almost necessary for the dehumanizing of one's adversary. After all, if you called the lad across the way Scooter or Bubbles or some other inane affection, would it not be just a tad harder to fix bayonet and run him through?

Come, come, now. Get a grip. Send a wee lad into battle and expect him not to deal with killing and death in whatever way he can? Name calling is one of the basics of dehumanization of the enemy. How else can you kill Theodore? That rat bastard with the button eyes?


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Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry - What a star!
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 24 Jan 09 - 04:26 PM

I would have thought folks should be spending more time worrying about how Brown is making such total arseholes of us all, instead of getting offended on behalf of other people! But then I expect nothing else from bigoted folky lefties.


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Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry - What a star!
From: Teribus
Date: 24 Jan 09 - 04:07 PM

Did you miss the "repaid by the Queen" part Ruth.

Oh and Harry pays tax just like you do, presuming of course that you do indeed pay tax.


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Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry - What a star!
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 24 Jan 09 - 01:54 PM

About the Keeper of the Privy Purse:

"He oversees the Grants-in-Aid from Government Departments for the maintenance of the occupied Royal palaces and for Royal travel. Annual accounts are published for the Grants-in-Aid and the Civil List.

The Keeper and his team are additionally responsible for the property maintenance of the occupied Royal palaces and their gardens, for the financial aspects of Royal travel, for personnel matters and information technology in the Royal Household, for The Queen's private estates and for the commercial activities of the Royal Collection Trust."

Government grants = taxpayers' money. Our taxes facilitate their lifestyle, as I said.


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Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry - What a star!
From: Teribus
Date: 24 Jan 09 - 10:37 AM

"My taxes facilitate his lifestyle through the public purse." - Ruth Archer

Oh no it doesn't - Once again here it is "from the horse's mouth":

"Only the Queen and Duke of Edinburgh receive funding from the Civil List. The Duke receives £359,000 per year. The state duties and staff of other members of the Royal Family are funded from a Parliamentary Annuity, the amount of which is repaid by the Queen from the monies put into the Privy Purse from income from the Duchy of Lancaster."

So Prince Harry doesn't get a penny from the "public purse" as you call it. Oh and by the bye even if he did, his taxes would go towards it as much as yours Eh??

Well Ruth, there's nothing like pig ignorance for feeding bigotry is there. Next time you feel compelled to go into print - Check your facts first, it'll save you from making a complete and utter prat of yourself.

The remark about England by the way had something to do with the way he is treated by the press there.


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Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry - What a star!
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 24 Jan 09 - 07:43 AM

My taxes facilitate his lifestyle through the public purse. If he dislikes England so much, maybe he should give up all his inherited wealth and privilege, get a job, and go and live somewhere that he likes.


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Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry - What a star!
From: Teribus
Date: 24 Jan 09 - 05:17 AM

"Would that be the same Harry who also said last year, "I don't like England very much"?

He doesn't seem to mind my taxes." - Ruth Archer

Would you mind quoting that remark in its context Ruth. As for him not minding your taxes, of course he doesn't mind your taxes, why should he? You don't mind his do you??


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Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry - What a star!
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 24 Jan 09 - 04:28 AM

The suggestion that he was just one of the lads sharing a bit of banter with his mates is mealy-mouthed bullshit - he is a serving officer in his gran's armed forces and stands in line for the throne - doesn't mean much to me, but it does to some.
One of the terms he used 'Towelhead' came to prominence during the Iraq war and facilitated the atrocities at Abu Graib and Guantanamo, where prisoners are held illegally and have been tortured and humiliated on a regular basis, and almost certainly still are.
Shannon Airport is an hours drive from here; there are regular stop-overs of US planes shipping illegally held prisoners on their way to countries where torture and humiliation can continue uninterrupted until the new president calls a halt - maybe!
It doesn't matter too much as those heading for a taste of western civilisation and hospitality are only 'Towelheads and Pakis'.
"Since your debating ability is so weak"
May be a game of 'I can debate better than you', Don - not for them.
I've seen, and am still seeing the results of racism and the language that facilitates it through our contacts with the Travellets - whoops 'knackers'.
Jim Carroll
PS Isn't it interesting how some people tip-toe around the questions of the uniform and the family history?


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Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry - What a star!
From: GUEST,Al
Date: 23 Jan 09 - 06:57 PM

Yeah, time this thread was put to sleep, otherwise our resident Oliver Cromwell and John Bull will turn it into the Goon Show.


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Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry - What a star!
From: Nickhere
Date: 23 Jan 09 - 06:55 PM

I heard the whole thing was filmed in a Hollywood basement... ;)


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Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry - What a star!
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 23 Jan 09 - 06:50 PM

400 and out. PLEASE !!


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Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry - What a star!
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 23 Jan 09 - 06:43 PM

My laughs have all run out.

As has this thread.


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Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry - What a star!
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 23 Jan 09 - 06:28 PM

"My heart also weeps for Sidmouth. "

LOL!!!!!


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Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry - What a star!
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 23 Jan 09 - 06:17 PM

Yup, I thoroughly agree, John.


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Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry - What a star!
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 23 Jan 09 - 05:56 PM

Time this thread was put to bed? It's disappearing up it's own fundamental orifice.


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Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry - What a star!
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 23 Jan 09 - 05:31 PM

""I don't suppose "Whitey", "Honky", and "Cueball...."
Don't like either but they don't lead to getting petrol poured through the letter box.
Still not got the bottle for a yea or nay on the racist offense given? As I said. sctatch an apologist......
Jim Carroll ""

Since your debating ability is so weak that your only recourse is an attempt to bolster argument with ad hominem attacks (Joe and Clones please note!), I shall put this in terms simple enough for your limited understanding.

If Prince Harry had been making that comment in the course of deliberately trying to hurt or belittle the lieutenant, I would now be standing shoulder to shoulder with you baying for his blood.

I have repeatedly said that I am anti prejudice in all its forms, and not like yourself, concerned only with the narrow definition of racism as being prejudice against black people.

I repeat just once more, in the vain hope of actually getting a new idea into that impermeable head, RACIST LANGUAGE IS ABOUT INTENT. You dismissed out of hand my citing of the use of the N word by black people amongst themselves, saying that it is not a racist term in that context, then you state that Paki is racist no matter the context.

You really do believe in having your cake and eating it. You are more racist than I, because there are racist terms that don't bother you since they denigrate whites, not blacks.

It is pointless to discuss further with you.
Don T.


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Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry - What a star!
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 23 Jan 09 - 05:23 PM

Geez, some people just can't stop.

I pity them.

I really pity them for the hatred and bitterness they harbour. It seems to be what keeps them alive, the wanting to 'hate'

How sad that a young man has been made to feel almost alien in his own country, because of the hatred of others. In other countries he is liked, loved, treated as a human being and respected for the good work that he does, but over here, over here dwell so many with a deep bitterness inside their hearts, as can be seen from this thread and from a particular section of the English folk world.

Another reason I respect Harry is for actually staying in this country when almost every part of him must want to leave it, because of the twisting, spinning, lying b*stards who will never leave him alone.




"I don't think I have ever read such a load such sloppy sycophantic garbage.
Really does put everything else you have written into context."

Yes, it was written with emotion, and from the heart, and I make no apology for that, whatsoever.

If your heart has hardened to such an extent that you feel nothing watching that video of Harry talking about his mother and that ALL you can take from it is yet more sarcasm, more bitter bile, then my heart weeps for that heart of yours.

My heart also weeps for Sidmouth.


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Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry - What a star!
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 23 Jan 09 - 02:52 PM

Would that be the same Harry who also said last year, "I don't like England very much"?

He doesn't seem to mind my taxes.


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Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry - What a star!
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 23 Jan 09 - 01:22 PM

Would or time not be better spent writing novels now that Barbara Cartland has popped her fluffy slippers Lizzie?
I don't think I have ever read such a load such sloppy sycophantic garbage.
Really does put everything else you have written into context.
Jim Carroll
PS Still don't know if you thing Paki is racist invective - but judging by above - it doesn't really matter!


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Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry - What a star!
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 23 Jan 09 - 11:06 AM

"A number of people who have given their support to the behaviour of this character have ridden off into the sunset without having the bottle to answer this question, leaving me with the impression that they are either closet racists or supporters of racism by their silence."


Er..I've ridden off into the sunset because I'm fair fed up with you wanting nothing but an endless *argey-bargey, Jim.

With of course, no disrespect meant there towards any *Argentinians.
;0)

Here, Jim....HERE is the young lad who you want to slam to hell!

Prince Harry talking about his beloved Mum on the 10th Anniversay of her death

Taken from that link, Harry's speech:

"William and I can separate life into two parts. There were those years when we were blessed with the physical presence beside us of both our mother and father.

And then there are the 10 years since our mother's death. When she was alive, we completely took for granted her unrivaled love of life, laughter, fun and folly. She was our guardian, friend and protector.

She never once allowed her unfaltering love for us to go unspoken or undemonstrated.

She will always be remembered for her amazing public work. But behind the media glare, to us, just two loving children, she was quite simply the best mother in the world.

We would say that, wouldn't we.

But we miss her. She kissed us last thing at night. Her beaming smile greeted us from school. She laughed hysterically and uncontrollably when sharing something silly she might have said or done that day. She encouraged us when we were nervous or unsure.

She -- like our father -- was determined to provide us with a stable and secure childhood.

To lose a parent so suddenly at such a young age, as others have experienced, is indescribably shocking and sad. It was an event which changed our lives forever, as it must have done for everyone who lost someone that night.

But what is far more important to us now, and into the future, is that we remember our mother as she would have wished to be remembered as she was: fun-loving, generous, down-to-earth, entirely genuine.

We both think of her every day.

We speak about her and laugh together at all the memories.

Put simply, she made us, and so many other people, happy. May this be the way that she is remembered."




Well, he has no mother to be beside him anymore, but he sure as hell has kind and sensible people who can see beyond the greed of the News of the World, and who will stand up and protect him from the vitriol that some LOVE to throw at him!

Diana, whether you liked her or not, was a damn wonderful mother to her boys. Would that she were still here for them!

Go and stand across from her island, look out there and ask yourself if this feeling, deeply emotional, loving and kind woman, who reached out to all, no matter what colour, what background, what faith, could *ever* raise a son who was a racist!! GEEZ!!

And as for the Nazi uniform, we've been there, done that...He was a young lad badly encouraged by his elder brother to wear something that neither of them thought deeply enough about. As I said, I've no doubt Harry ridiculed the SS something rotten at that party, along the lines of the TV series 'Allo 'Allo....and that he did NOT wear it to sit with a whole pile of other people dressed up at a fancy dress party, simply there to spout racist abuse!!

Holy Jumping Catfish!!!!!!!   GET REALLLLLLLLLLLL!!

Now, PLEASE get off his back once and for all, because this endless outpouring of abuse from you towards Harry is, for me, beyond belief.

I was one of those 'soppy twits' who took flowers up to London for Diana...and I saw the ARMY of people who descended upon the city from all over the world! I stood in Kensington Gardens, where the scent of flowers, three feet deep in places, was overpowering!   I heard the silence of thousands of people, utter, total silence...and felt the grief of a nation. I saw the many mementos people had tied to the gates of Kensington Palace, along the railings outside.....saw the poems, the artwork, incredible things that people had left for her...the flowers hanging from the trees, the bells, the ribbons..the horse belonging to the mounted policeman, only ONE was needed in that peaceful crowd of thousands...the flowers reached up above the horse's knees, all around him...as he stood there silently with his head bowed down, almost sensing the sadness that surrounded him.

As I stood there, Diana lay over in St. James's Palace...whilst her sons visited her coffin, and said goodbye to the mother who had loved them both, more than any other person on earth.

So, if now and again Harry, as a young man, says or does something a bit stupid, I am perfectly able to forgive him, because I have such admiration for a young man who is being made out to be the new 'baddie' of the Royals, by a media who gives not a shite, and some people who pour all their bitterness and anger on to him..

And why do I respect him..I'll tell you why....Because he has had the guts NOT to go on air and tell every damned umpleasant person to FOOOOK the hell off out of his life, out of his private life, out of his world, and leave him the hell alone..

And no, he can NEVER resign from being a Prince, because even if he did it 'officially' he is a Money Machine to evil and greedy bastards who will hound him until the day he dies, as they hounded his mother..

THE END


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Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry - What a star!
From: GUEST,Mr Yeahbut
Date: 23 Jan 09 - 09:35 AM

me..? I'm neither royalist or racist..

but I do have a mature positive respect for military service,
and am prepared to give the majority of UK service personel
the benefit of the doubt
that the culturally transgressive language they often use amongst themselves
does not indicate any genuinely significant active racist intent.

.. and yes, at the same time I am uncomfortable with the low level degree of institutionalized tacit racism
that may still be prevelent..

work always needs to be done to improve attitudes,
but human nature is neither yet perfect,
or without contradictions..!!??


Is it really difficult to state whether or not you believe Paki, Towelhead, Sooty and Fuzzie-wuzzie are racist terms, therefore offensive, therefore unacceptable, particularly from members of Britain's most prominent family.

Of course, these are all obviously terms that no sensible person would ever consider 'right' to use in public.
Even, if some of us leftie/liberal/progressive types
may occasionally use them in an 'ironic' cultural context
in converstion with our our closest friends,
we would still need to think twice and proceed with extreme caution..

"A number of people who have given their support to the behaviour of this character have ridden off into the sunset without having the bottle to answer this question, leaving me with the impression that they are either closet racists or supporters of racism by their silence."

So are we all of us damned to be racists by default
until
we all individually specifically seek to satisfy your personal terms of approval
of our true anti racist credentials ????????????????

well.. I repeat, me..? I'm neither a royalist or a racist..

but I definitely find it difficult to tolerate
self-rightious moral high ground grabbin' smug c@ntz...


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Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry - What a star!
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 23 Jan 09 - 09:22 AM

Yes and I stand by it.
I made Oakville tell the truth, except that the real Oakville felt no shame for the lies he told.
When the victim of a lying attack by a Guest, why should I not fight back when the mods did nothing?
Presumably you support the lying Oakville.
Tell us why.


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Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry - What a star!
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 23 Jan 09 - 08:59 AM

Where do I stand on racism, racist behaviour and racists abuse?
Exactly alongside you Jim.
I detest it and always challenge it when I come across it.
Do I "support to the behaviour of this character "?
Some of it, yes.
Especially his voluntary work in Africa.
But this discussion is about that video clip, and I see it from a different perspective than yours.
I recognise that kind of banter between men closer than friends.
I have seen it many times, and I have seen disrespect, and I recognise the difference.


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Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry - What a star!
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 23 Jan 09 - 08:44 AM

Keith,
Whoever this feller is, soldier, prince, whatever, he is prone to using racist abuse and dressing up in a uniform which symbolises racism in its most extreme form.
Added to this, members of his family also use racist terms and two of them in the past openly gave their open support to Hitler - you know - the feller who oversaw the extermination of countless millions.
Does this not ring alarm bells with you?
Is it really difficult to state whether or not you believe Paki, Towelhead, Sooty and Fuzzie-wuzzie are racist terms, therefore offensive, therefore unacceptable, particularly from members of Britain's most prominent family.
A number of people who have given their support to the behaviour of this character have ridden off into the sunset without having the bottle to answer this question, leaving me with the impression that they are either closet racists or supporters of racism by their silence.
It really is as easy as that.
Where do you stand?
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry - What a star!
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 23 Jan 09 - 07:53 AM

Jim, Gaza is being discussed in other threads.
The reference was to relationships between soldiers in a small unit, not pro or anti war.


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Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry - What a star!
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 23 Jan 09 - 07:36 AM

"Civillians do not get it about soldiers."
Those living in Gaza did - with a vengeance
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry - What a star!
From: Stu
Date: 23 Jan 09 - 04:12 AM

"All this intellectualising (and spelling correction) and we still don't know if 'Paki (or Packie maybe) is a term of racist abuse."

The way I've seen it used (against a friend), it was so I associated with racist abuse. Backwoodsman, Don and eanjay don't so I guess it's down to personal experience. We're arguing in circles as eanjay said, so I take my leave.


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Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry - What a star!
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 23 Jan 09 - 04:09 AM

I did not forget it Al.
It is a slander that you can not justify because it is a lie.
You hate all ginger people.
You hate all soldiers.
You are just full of hate.
You must be very unhappy.


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Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry - What a star!
From: GUEST,Al
Date: 23 Jan 09 - 04:03 AM

Hardships, endurance and a pack of murdering bastards, you forgot that one Keith. Well it appears as the weeks go by they are becoming fewer in number.


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Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry - What a star!
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 23 Jan 09 - 03:27 AM

Turkmenistan is the home of the Turkmen
Afghanistan is the home of the Afghans
Kurdistan is the home of the Kurds.
Uzbekistan is the home of the Uzbeks.
Pakistan is different because there is no Paki tribe and the people are properly called Pakistanis, but it is odd that an abreviation is regarded as offensive.
It is though.

Civillians do not get it about soldiers.
After going through Sandhurst together, the shared hardships and endurance and intimate living will make those men closer than most brothers. Eavesdropping on them will not bring understanding if you have not experienced that culture.


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Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry - What a star!
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 23 Jan 09 - 02:58 AM

Sorry,
Before the phantom 'corrector' gets to work and avoids the issue again - that should read 'scratch' - must clear up the serious issues before dealing with the trivial.
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry - What a star!
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 23 Jan 09 - 02:55 AM

"I don't suppose "Whitey", "Honky", and "Cueball...."
Don't like either but they don't lead to getting petrol poured through the letter box.
Still not got the bottle for a yea or nay on the racist offense given? As I said. sctatch an apologist......
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry - What a star!
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 22 Jan 09 - 06:40 PM

""Any hatred I have is reserved for racists who consider it acceptable to use the above terms (and dress in uniforms which symbolize the behaviour described), including those who consider their social standing permits them to do so.
I am not particularly fond of apologists of such behaviour who facilitate these atrocities.""


I don't suppose "Whitey", "Honky", and "Cueball" meet your highly specialised criteria for terms of racial abuse.

I don't think they would sell many extra copies of the News of the World either, so we probably won't see any outcry about THEIR use any time soon, either here or in the papers.

It is still about intent to denigrate or cause hurt.

Hypocrites R Us. Possibly Rosie, as long as you are viewing the world through those one sided blinkers.

Don T.


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Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry - What a star!
From: GUEST,Alan
Date: 22 Jan 09 - 06:12 PM

Leading members of the British Establishment are already looking forward to Barack Obama's first official visit. Gordon Brown is very keen to take him on a historical tour of Scotland, the Queen is very much hoping to entertain him at an official state banquet and Prince Harry is ready to tell him a few jokes.

I would love to be a fly on the wall when President Obama first meets Prince Phillip!


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Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry - What a star!
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 22 Jan 09 - 02:42 PM

All this intellectualising (and spelling correction) and we still don't know if 'Paki (or Packie maybe) is a term of racist abuse.
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry - What a star!
From: Jean(eanjay)
Date: 22 Jan 09 - 02:23 PM

I'm so outa this waste of time 'discussion'.

Well, it does seem to be going round in circles. I'm with Backwoodsman and Lizzie and I don't mind if anybody else disagrees with us.


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Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry - What a star!
From: Sleepy Rosie
Date: 22 Jan 09 - 02:18 PM

"Have I understood you correctly, Rosie?"

No, you haven't. And I don't know if you not understanding me, is deliberately obtuse, or that (what I assumed my perfectly clear) *ironic statement* was mysteriously veiled.

Which I don't believe it to be.

Do I need to refer to Harry as an "Inbreed", to make the point to those who find his very own "Paki" perfectly acceptable, that some 'Jokey' terms about other people, are indeed offensive?

What adds insult to injury, is the fact that I have to actually illustrate this highly hillarious point, to those same people.

Hypocrites R Us much?

I'm so outa this waste of time 'discussion'.


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Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry - What a star!
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 22 Jan 09 - 01:29 PM

No need to stress the point Lizzie - we already know how you go through life.

Is that the Royal 'we', Jim?



"Talk about the music, Lizzie"

This is *Excellent*


Prince Harry, carrying on his Mother's AIDS work


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Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry - What a star!
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 22 Jan 09 - 12:36 PM

"Oh, by the bye Jim the plural of 'Paki' would be 'Pakis' -"
I bow to your obvious familiarity with racist terms.
"Racism is a feeling or belief that one race has particular traits and that one race, (that of the racist) is superior to another."
No Lizzie - racism is having petrol poured through your letterbox because you're a 'Paki'
"Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz "
No need to stress the point Lizzie - we already know how you go through life.
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry - What a star!
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 22 Jan 09 - 12:25 PM

Jack, you're not stupid, you know exactly what I'm saying. I'll say it once more for the sake of clarity.

Abuse is abuse. All abuse is wrong. An Asian is an Asian by accident of birth and abusing him because of that is wrong. It's equally wrong to abuse a Royal simply because he was born a Royal by an accident of birth. Neither the Asian nor the Royal has any influence over the circumstances of his conception or birth, and it's wrong to abuse him on the basis of that conception and birth - be it a fact, or a fiction that is the product of someone's over-fertile imagination.

And I do believe that there is a sub-culture nowadays who eagerly seek to find offence where no offence is necessarily intended. It's the kind of schoolgirl-playgound "You said somthing about Susan, she's my friend so I'm gonna kick your fuckin' head in" mentality that goes on amongst the young, and amongst the less-mature adults in our society.

And there I take my leave. Best wishes.


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Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry - What a star!
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 22 Jan 09 - 11:56 AM

Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz


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Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry - What a star!
From: GUEST,Sugarfoot Jack
Date: 22 Jan 09 - 11:49 AM

. . . I won't.

Lost my cookie again - that was me above!


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Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry - What a star!
From: GUEST
Date: 22 Jan 09 - 11:47 AM

"It's wrong for Harry to call an Asian 'Paki', if by doing so he intends to denigrate him and cause hurt."

But we're not to worry about all the other people who are offended by this term then? They don't matter because it wasn't aimed at them personally?

"It's wrong for you to call Harry an 'overprivileged toss-pot' if by doing so you intend to denigrate him and cause hurt."

Which I've acknowledged . . . but if I have to kneel then . . .


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