BS: Prince Harry - What a star!

Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry - What a star!
From: GUEST,An insider with my head down
Date: 02 Mar 08 - 06:02 AM

Hey Mr. Knot... I agree with most of what you have said and have been aware of it for many years. I could say more as I am on the inside to a certain extent, but am not going to put my head on the block. I live in a place where the Royals visit a lot and you are right about body guards, even cameras and dare I say it, phone tapping. I know that mine has been for about 10 years, but am used to it now. When ever something goes wrong with my phone, it's odd that I never have to pay BT to put it right!!

I must just take issue about you saying "live like leeches and a brain dead nation..." I'm not sure you should be quite so general as some of the nation actually agrees with you.

8)

Sal

Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry - What a star!
From: GRex
Date: 02 Mar 08 - 04:19 AM

In trying to bring some sanity back into this thread, I pose the question: Do you think that our Harry heard (and listened to) Tom Lewis's "No Princes on the Line"?


         GRex (No relation to the royals)

Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry - What a star!
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 02 Mar 08 - 03:11 AM

"Don't scratch it, it only makes it worse".

Thanks McG, I was rockin' for a while there. Equilibrium regained, "Troll/Flamer Reaction" switch turned to "off"! :-)

S:0)

Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry - What a star!
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 02 Mar 08 - 02:41 AM

I'm not excited about the Royal Family, but I do excited by the real, honest truth, which certain people here, despite many evidences to support, have chosen to ignore.

LTS

Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry - What a star!
From: GUEST,Guest
Date: 01 Mar 08 - 11:08 PM

I don't think I'm confusing them at all, thanks.

And excuse me, but 'excited about the Royal Family'?

Maybe this thread thrills you McGrath, but some of us aren't nearly as enthusiastic as you might like to believe.

Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry - What a star!
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 01 Mar 08 - 08:55 PM

SNP "reactionary conservative", GG? I think you are confusing them with some other party. (Such as the one in power in London.)
....................................

I really am puzzled why people get all excited about the Royal Family. In some ways it doesn't make much difference whether they loathe it or worship it, there's a shared feeling that it desperately matters. But it doesn't. No more than other aspects of inequality, and in some ways less.

The idea which I have heard expressed, that the existence of the Royal family is a keystone for preservation of inequality and snobbery and all that, and that without them those things would collapse just seems laughable to me, looking around at other countries which don't have this odd institution in place.

Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry - What a star!
From: GUEST,Guest
Date: 01 Mar 08 - 08:44 PM

Rich parents? Aren't you rather understating the facts about the world's most infamously pampered and privleged lager lout finally taking his rightful place in the family business?

Oh, and I'm just as underwhelmed by the 'traditions' of monarchies, as I am by the 'traditions' of the papacy.

And finally, Richard, I see you do *your* duty out of the wrong end of the pipe.

Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry - What a star!
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 01 Mar 08 - 08:22 PM

Gigi - what are you talking about? Often you are quite rational if a bit OTT, but your problem here seems to be that a young man was born to rich parents. And?

Now let us focus. In prety well all monarchies, it has been the tradition that the spare as distinct from the heir should join the military. That is of course what royals do. So the young twerp (I think he comes across as pretty obnoxious) did his duty. Not enough of that about. Credit where credit is due. Do you do your duty Gigi?

So said young man joins the military. Now he does his duty and goes to war. Your problem with that is, exactly?

I really don't give a shit whether he is a bastard or not.

And, in case anyone suggests it, I am not a Dianaworshipper either. IMHO she was a psycholoonie disaster (as was Sarah Ferguson, but not as bad) for a constitutional monarchy in which Miss Piggy was doing a pretty good job.

Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry - What a star!
From: GUEST,patty o'dawes
Date: 01 Mar 08 - 02:41 PM

At least now he's back the Bolly sales will return to where they stood, before he went and worked in his chosen field.

I think I'll save my sympathies for the street cleaner who pushes his cart in all weathers. Then returns to his damp one bedroomed flat where he can't afford the heating bills.

Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry - What a star!
From: GUEST,Guest
Date: 01 Mar 08 - 02:16 PM

SNP is it? Well, that explains your reactionary conservatism, anyway.

As far as your analogy to the Danish cartoon, and your laughable threat that I count myself lucky, I think that pretty much proves you are off your bleedin' rocker.

Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry - What a star!
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 01 Mar 08 - 02:11 PM

From bodyguards lying in hedges all night Most of us have to endure doing without having that privilege. It's so unfair...

Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry - What a star!
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 01 Mar 08 - 02:07 PM

At the danger of becoming as boring as you Janet, I repeat. I do not have any leanings in favour of the British/English royal family, I am a member of the SNP who seek independence for Scotland.
I do however despise those who take cheap shots at people for no other reason than the fact that they can. Just remember what happened when a cartoon of Mohammed was published in a Danish newspaper, and count yourself lucky that you can denigrate people the way you do, and not have to worry about the consequences.

Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry - What a star!
From: GUEST,Guest
Date: 01 Mar 08 - 02:01 PM

Because most people aren't stupid enough to believe in an 'accident of birth' conspiracy theory, especially when it comes to the blind defenders of monarchy & empire who happen to be inhabiting this thread.

Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry - What a star!
From: GUEST,Windsor Knot
Date: 01 Mar 08 - 01:55 PM

Well Harry got his toe in the door when James Hewitt got his caught in the sheet !

Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry - What a star!
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 01 Mar 08 - 01:52 PM

Well McGrath, that's quite simple winning the lottery is an accident of fate, while being born into a royal house is intentional.
Just so you can have the pleasure of being sniped at by passing eedjits.

G

Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry - What a star!
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 01 Mar 08 - 01:49 PM

What's the point of getting all excited and angry about this particular bunch of rich people?

Why don't we have threads of hate and disgust directed at people who win the lottery?

Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry - What a star!
From: GUEST,Windsor Knot
Date: 01 Mar 08 - 01:31 PM

The royal family live a charmed life of the backs of the British taxpayer.

From bodyguards lying in hedges all night while Prince Charles whistled through the wheat field down south on Susan George, to Major Parker Bowles keeping his silence about his wife (before she became his ex) in return for his massive estate overdraft vanishing over night, to endless garden parties and overseas trips paid for by you and me.Or bankrupt Paddy McNally refusing to "spill the dirt" for 500.000 thousand to a magazine about Fergie who he was living with when "Falklands Dan Dare Andy" started going with her. McNally suddenly paid all his creditors and re-appeared on the wealthy yacht set.

Then you have the greek/geek Prince Philip who has openly insulted every nation on the planet and gets away with it.

They are rotten to the core and live like leeches and a brain dead nation waves flags at them !!

Christ talk about lead by the nose. And still young Hewitt gets the cold shoulder from his true father.

Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry - What a star!
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 01 Mar 08 - 01:26 PM

Terry !!

Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry - What a star!
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 01 Mar 08 - 01:26 PM

Glad you enjoyed it.

Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry - What a star!
From: GUEST,Guest
Date: 01 Mar 08 - 01:21 PM

Only a wanker would have a comeback like that.

Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry - What a star!
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 01 Mar 08 - 01:19 PM

Oh and btw Janet, what about your own dear leader's war record?
What was it he volunteered for again?

G

Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry - What a star!
From: gnu
Date: 01 Mar 08 - 01:04 PM

I suspect they will manage to eke out an existance.

Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry - What a star!
From: GUEST,Guest
Date: 01 Mar 08 - 12:17 PM

Poor, defenseless royals. Whatever will become of them?

Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry - What a star!
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 01 Mar 08 - 12:16 PM

I am defending those who cannot, by custom, defend themselves.
I know you specialise in attacking all and sundry under the label of Guest, but I am happy to post in my own name.
Then again I'm not banned from this site like you.
G

Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry - What a star!
From: GUEST,Guest
Date: 01 Mar 08 - 12:10 PM

And I'm sure the royals need you to operate as their surrogate in defense of the realm, Giok.

Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry - What a star!
From: the lemonade lady
Date: 01 Mar 08 - 12:06 PM

meow! Steady now, girls!

8) Sal

Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry - What a star!
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 01 Mar 08 - 11:53 AM

Excuse me Janet, but I don't actually see Prince Harry or any other member of the royal family posting on here, do you?
Haven't you got enough troubles where you live?

G

Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry - What a star!
From: GUEST,Guest
Date: 01 Mar 08 - 11:39 AM

We are all adults here, and NO ONE needs another poster to intervene 'on behalf of' another poster to defend them. That's just a bullshit rationale for mob rule.

Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry - What a star!
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 01 Mar 08 - 11:22 AM

You are the one who picked on someone who won't respond, that is unfair, and when someone responds in their defence you dare to call it bullying. Well in the light of your unfair attack on them I would think that accusation fits you better.
Eyes and motes spring to mind.

G

Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry - What a star!
From: theleveller
Date: 01 Mar 08 - 11:17 AM

You don't get this do you, Goik? Learn to distinguish between a legitimate point of view and personal abuse of another catter. Disagree with my views, by all means - try to browbeat me and you'll get as good as you give.

Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry - What a star!
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 01 Mar 08 - 11:09 AM

As I pointed out, GG, I had no intention of suggesting a parallel with that kind of slavery - and I can understand why you would object to the notion.

All kinds of slavery are deplorable, but the American system of chattel slavery founded on "race" was probably in some ways the nastiest that has ever existed, at the time and particularly in its legacy.

My parallel was with the type of slavery which existed in other places and times, as I pointed out, where it was not uncommon for important and well rewarded posts to be held by slaves. Privileged, but un-free and subject to the whims of their masters.

Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry - What a star!
From: goatfell
Date: 01 Mar 08 - 10:43 AM

he's a soldier like every other soldier out there so who really cares I mean there are more important news items than Prince Nazi oh sorry Harry.

Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry - What a star!
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 01 Mar 08 - 10:36 AM

That's comparing oranges and pineapples Janet.

Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry - What a star!
From: GUEST,Guest
Date: 01 Mar 08 - 09:47 AM

Slaves like child soldiers, McGrath. Let's compare Harry & his Heroic Military Assignment to the lives of child slaves being forced to work as soldiers, shall we?

Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry - What a star!
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 01 Mar 08 - 08:54 AM

The King joins the army.
I wonder what danger he put his comrades in?

G

Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry - What a star!
From: GUEST,Guest
Date: 01 Mar 08 - 08:52 AM

For the record, I am not a pacifist, and I am not anti-grunt. What I am is anti-militarism in all it's guises.

God, that we could all have skarpi's worldview of it, but I do look forward to that day.

As to the royals, well...I'm a democrat, small 'd'. A Walt Whitman natural democrat, so to speak. Walt Whitman served during the US Civil War to end slavery. As a nurse. Loved Lincoln. Wrote 'When lilacs last in the dooryard bloom'd...' when he was assassinated.

I've had a hard week. First, there was is the deep irony of honoring Black History Month in a segregated urban school that is 85% African American and 92% free lunch school (ie high poverty, African American). Reading the latest Caldecott Honor Book about slavery to 1st graders, I have a little boy raise his hand and ask 'will that happen to us when we grow up' and I tell him no, we fought the civil war to end slavery in our country, and then made it against the law. His follow up to my comment? 'My dad says he'll hit me if I call the police on him when he hurts me.'

Then, our entire school went on a field trip to see a play about slavery, and believe me, the message wasn't lost on me that I was one of a handful of white faces in an audience that was a sea of black faces. Nothing hits home for kids like drama, and this play hit our kids far harder than anything our teaching and preaching about slavery has. It made it palpable for them, especially the beatings.

Then the same afternoon, one of our students disappeared after school--turns out his 'extended family' (mom lost custody of him for beating him) had taken him. So for now, he has been disappeared from us--the only people who know him and don't threaten him.

Slavery has a very human legacy, and I'm currently living in the midst of it. Militarism has a very human legacy, and I'm currently living in the midst of it too. And I hate them both. I detest them, because nothing is more undemocratic, dehumanizing, and demoralizing than slavery and militarism.

So go ahead McGrath, and gloss over the realities of all that if you want. I just find it appalling to compare the lives of some of the most privleged and pampered people on earth to the cushy lives that slaves lead.

Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry - What a star!
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 01 Mar 08 - 08:06 AM

I see him as a guy who through no fault of his own found himself part of a family variously despised or envied by many and who tried to avoid the fuss and quietly have a normal guy's life away from the glare of the spotlight. He managed it for 10 weeks till the hyenas got to him. In that time, at the very least he took the place of some other mother's son in carrying out his duties, and so kept someone else out of harm's way.

I don't know what sort of man he will develop into, but sure as hell the papparazzi's feeding frenzy is not helping him.

Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry - What a star!
From: Teribus
Date: 01 Mar 08 - 07:39 AM

Whoops!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/2273498.stm

Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry - What a star!
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 01 Mar 08 - 07:37 AM

"Don't scratch it, it only makes it worse".

Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry - What a star!
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 01 Mar 08 - 07:24 AM

"Princess Diana's former lover James Hewitt IS Prince Harry's father"

So, Windsor Knob, you know this for fact? How? Were you present at the conception?

What a turd.

Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry - What a star!
From: GUEST,Windsor Knot
Date: 01 Mar 08 - 07:07 AM

Princess Diana's former lover James Hewitt IS Prince Harry's father.
Hewitt Sr,said people have compared Harry's looks with his own, but I will NEVER take a DNA test or admit I am Harry's father.


Mr Hewitt was Diana Princess of Wales's secret lover for nine years.

Hewitt Sr, Referred a few years ago to portraits taken by fashion photographer Mario Testino of the Prince,he said: "Looking at the pictures I have to say yes there is a likeness, but that is all I am saying."


Hewitt Sr, said he was he was asked by a daily newspaper to take a DNA test but refused. St James's Palace declined to comment on Hewitt's refusal to take the test.


So there it is,young Hewitt is getting a slap on the back for being somewhere he isnt, and now his father won´t come out and claim him, poor kid any wonder he takes drugs at parties and dresses as Hitler. And to top it off, He´s Ginger.

Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry - What a star!
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 01 Mar 08 - 06:46 AM

Pedantic point - strictly speaking the Commonwealth has actually got bigger. It now includes Mozambique.

Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry - What a star!
From: GUEST,Windsor Knot
Date: 01 Mar 08 - 06:36 AM

"The truth? You can't handle the truth! Fact is that since 1066, the Brits (all of the Isles and the Commonwealth) have never been trodden. Why? Because they are the best. And, their leaders in warfare and defence, those whom you choose to slag, are not pussies".

Thanks gnu, great answer, don´t forget to thank the Americans for saving our asses in 1942 when they landed in the UK to finish the war for us ! Of course we are well thought of throughout the world ! ask the familes of those we interned and left to die in South Africa. Correct me if I am wrong, but has the commonwealth not become a little bit smaller over the years as we get our asses kicked out of country after country ?

Yes a very welcoming nation, we even have a party soley dealing with the number of those who arrived from the commonwealth living in Bolton,Birmingham and London.

They are called the BNP, I imagine your already a member.

Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry - What a star!
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 01 Mar 08 - 06:23 AM

3rd post in this thread.


Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry - What a star!
From: theleveller - PM
Date: 29 Feb 08 - 08:20 AM

Can't see what all the fuss is about. He's a career soldier. He goes where career soldiers go. Big deal!

Sooner we get rid of these disfunctional wasters who consider themselves our 'betters' the better for all of us.

Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry - What a star!
From: theleveller
Date: 01 Mar 08 - 06:19 AM

Well, Goik, just like you ignored the rest of my posts. If your arguments are so bankrupt that you have to resort to insults, don't complain when someone comes along and rubs your nose in your own s**t. Typical bully - acts tough then whinges when someone gives you a taste of you own medicine.

Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry - What a star!
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 01 Mar 08 - 06:07 AM

Well Leveller you've just proved yourself to be blind as well as nasty. You chose to pick one quote from my post, while completely ignoring the part that didn't suit you vituperative tendencies.

"I am no lover of Harry or of the royal family, but a lot of the posts on here are cheap shots."

Giok

Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry - What a star!
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 01 Mar 08 - 04:58 AM

Windsor Knot? That should be Windsor KNOB.
Giok, Richard Bridge, Selby, Lonesome - all correct.
Leveller, you're a real dick. How many other soldiers over there have had gobby journalists telling the enemy where they are, knowing full well that it could very probably end up with the soldier(s) in question getting a few rounds up their arses?
Can't be bothered to argue with gob-shites any more, too pissed off.

Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry - What a star!
From: theleveller
Date: 01 Mar 08 - 04:38 AM

"Another thought, how many of these anti royalist left wing republican sneering dismissive pratts, would be prepared to put themselves in his place?"

And just how many of the slobbering right wing royalist sychophants would take his place, I wonder?

Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry - What a star!
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 01 Mar 08 - 04:31 AM

Seems to me the boy did his duty. Not enough of that about. Whether the Royal Family should have the privileges and responsibilities it has is another question.

Undoubtedly the prince would have been a bullet magnet. If the Taliban by their own resources discovered his whereabouts, well, that's war and in war one has spies. But for reporters of allegedly allied nationalities to reveal his whereabouts is despicable.

If the reporters were Taliban sympathisers then their morality is less clearly damnable. Reporters, like others, can decide which side they are on. But of course it may be treason.

Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry - What a star!
From: selby
Date: 01 Mar 08 - 04:20 AM

I am proud of the solders who served with Harry they kept the secret they knew that wether it was public knowledge or not that they had a bullet magnet with them. Only they know the truth of cornet wales a good solder or a bad solder. As for the journalist who broke the story not a lot of sense shown there to young Wales and to the brave discreet young men and women who there with him.