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DANNY BOY (2)
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LONDONDERRY AIR


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Subject: RE: Danny Boy banned in pub....
From: Tattie Bogle
Date: 18 Mar 08 - 08:28 PM

Secret is: start as low as you can go!


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Subject: RE: Danny Boy banned in pub....
From: MartinRyan
Date: 18 Mar 08 - 08:14 PM

The TUNE is called the Londonderry Air (because the first person to note it called it that) - we've (little or) no idea what anyone called it before then. The CITY is variously called Derry/Londonderry or Stroke City (or even Doire Cholmchoille, más mian leat). The SONG is called "Danny Boy" because that's the only set of (many) words that, for better or worse, has caught on. As for me, I prefer "Maidin i mBéara", written by a Protesant Gael - but probably only because I learned that set when very young.

Regards
p.s. And, of course, the only thing that should be banned in pubs before (or after) closing time is obnoxious singing - of ANY song!


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Subject: RE: Danny Boy banned in pub....
From: Beer
Date: 18 Mar 08 - 07:48 PM

Simply Beautiful.


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Subject: RE: Danny Boy banned in pub....
From: Tattie Bogle
Date: 18 Mar 08 - 07:35 PM

Link to a really nice version of "In Derry Vale" below.
Seems that WG Rothery did a lot of arrangements of Handel, Brahms, Cesar Franck etc - "a London Schools inspector" so maybe no more Irish than Weatherley? (Google it!)
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=yR9xlD_hfQI


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Subject: RE: Danny Boy banned in pub....
From: GUEST,Shay V.
Date: 18 Mar 08 - 04:40 PM

Reiver2:

Thanks for passing it on.


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Subject: RE: Danny Boy banned in pub....
From: Beer
Date: 18 Mar 08 - 04:32 PM

Seamus,
That is definitely the best. A sure keeper and I already copied it to send to my friends. Thank you so much and A Belated Happy St. Patrick's.
Beer (adrien)


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Subject: RE: Danny Boy banned in pub....
From: Big Mick
Date: 18 Mar 08 - 04:16 PM

How in the name of heaven did I never see that Muppets clip???????? Shit, buddy, I am still laughing!!!!

All the best,

Mick


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Subject: RE: Danny Boy banned in pub....
From: Seamus Kennedy
Date: 18 Mar 08 - 03:39 PM

Best version.




damn, I still can't make a blue clicky.

Seamus


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Subject: RE: Danny Boy banned in pub....
From: An Buachaill Caol Dubh
Date: 18 Mar 08 - 03:36 PM

Glad I returned to this thread after reading the first entries a fortnight ago, not just because of Big Mick's wonderfully lyrical but thoughful "rambling", but also for that contribution from jeffp. God help us, I think I'll learn it (first verse and third, probably; hope that would be all right), though I'd be very, very careful where I chose to sing it. The comic possibilities of "miss that high note" are very, very tempting. With regard to Weatherley's words, well, they're very much of their time, and the main reason I decline to sing them is that line about a grave, of all places, being warmer and sweeter. No, no, never, never, never. John McCormack's "Oh, Mary Dear" is better, dealing with similar material, but is still pretty maudlin. The words posted on 8th March are the best, in my own view anyway, of maybe a dozen sets made for this air (and many people have been quite happy when these are sung when "Danny Boy" is requested, with a short introduction about finding them in a late C19th/early C20th music book and a hope that people might like to hear these less familiar words). Anyone know anything of W G Rothery, who made this version? He certainly also translated/made lyrical versions of many European Folk Songs.


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Subject: RE: Danny Boy banned in pub....
From: Reiver 2
Date: 18 Mar 08 - 03:29 PM

I see where some posts on this thread correctly note that the tune for Danny Boy is called the Derry Air (or in some non-Irish publications, Londerry Air.) Riever 1 always referred to it as the
"Derriere." It's not my favorite song, but I don't hate it. I never try to sing it publicly -- afraid of missing that high note!

Reiver 2


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Subject: RE: Danny Boy banned in pub....
From: Reiver 2
Date: 18 Mar 08 - 03:14 PM

Thanks for posting the My Space Page for the Clare Voyants, Big Mick. I finally got a chance to play it and it is, indeed, the same song there, although a slightly different presentation than that on the CD, but same words and tune. Hope you were able to listen to it Ernest!! Joe Offer, maybe you can get a chance to add it to the DT sometime.

Reiver 2


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Subject: RE: Danny Boy banned in pub....
From: the lemonade lady
Date: 18 Mar 08 - 01:12 PM

oh yes and I forgot, I'm Ms Sourpuss

I forgot

lol

Sal


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Subject: RE: Danny Boy banned in pub....
From: The Mole Catcher's Apprentice (inactive)
Date: 18 Mar 08 - 12:18 PM

"When threads get soooo long, i'm afraid i can't be bothered to read every entry (am I alone?)"

in a word....Yes

"you can sing the tune of Danny Boy to the words ... ahem...Oh Danny Boy, oh Danny, Danny, Boyoyoy, Oh Danny Boy, Oh Danny, Danny Boy, .... etc no other words are needed.   I believe this comes from the singing of The Mrs A(c)kroyd Band.

well Les Barker and The Mrs. Ackroyd Band do have a sense of humour.

Charlotte (viva a spaniel)


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Subject: RE: Danny Boy banned in pub....
From: the lemonade lady
Date: 18 Mar 08 - 05:48 AM

When threads get soooo long, i'm afraid i can't be bothered to read every entry (am I alone?) anyway, you can sing the tune of Danny Boy to the words ... ahem...Oh Danny Boy, oh Danny, Danny, Boyoyoy, Oh Danny Boy, Oh Danny, Danny Boy, .... etc no other words are needed.   I believe this comes from the singing of The Mrs Akroyd Band.



Here's Les, for some light relief


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Subject: RE: Danny Boy banned in pub....
From: Bernard Quenby
Date: 14 Mar 08 - 12:49 PM

D**n this thread - I only looked out of curiosity, now I can't get the tune out of my head!!!


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Subject: RE: Danny Boy banned in pub....
From: Big Mick
Date: 14 Mar 08 - 12:10 PM

Charlotte, care to explain the context of that comment?

Thanks,

Mick


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Subject: RE: Danny Boy banned in pub....
From: GUEST,The Mole Catcher's unplugged Apprentice
Date: 14 Mar 08 - 11:42 AM

"Guess it's a good time to post this again. It's in the Mudcat Songbook. It was written by myself and a Yorkshire friend, Peter Benson.

Oh Boy, Danny
by Jeff Porterfield and Peter Benson"

one can hope that this not representative of The Mudcat Songbook or the Digital Tradition

Charlotte (the song remains the same)


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Subject: RE: Danny Boy banned in pub....
From: GUEST,pattyClink
Date: 14 Mar 08 - 09:34 AM

Thanks, Big Mick. I can imagine the roars of laughter from Pat Bonner and Eddie and Pat O'Donnell at the very idea of Danny Boy being banned by Irish-American musicians.


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Subject: RE: Danny Boy banned in pub....
From: Reiver 2
Date: 13 Mar 08 - 10:27 PM

Thanks, Big Mick. The chorus is definitely the best part of the song in my opinion.

Reiver 2


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Subject: RE: Danny Boy banned in pub....
From: jeffp
Date: 13 Mar 08 - 03:45 PM

Guess it's a good time to post this again. It's in the Mudcat Songbook. It was written by myself and a Yorkshire friend, Peter Benson.

Oh Boy, Danny
by Jeff Porterfield and Peter Benson

Oh, Danny boy, they claim that you are Irish
But we both know you're English through and through
And if you really want to know what I wish
I truly wish that I had never heard of you
'Cause every March they make me sing about you
And every drunkard thinks that he can too
And when they miss that high note it's so painful
That if you heard it I think it would kill you too

Oh, Danny boy, when Irish eyes were smiling
It was before they ever heard of you.
In Galway Bay the tides are still retiring
Because that song you caused has made them blue.
So don't come back in summer or in springtime
Don't show your face at state or county fair.
Some drunken sot will sing your praises loudly;
And we find that we must ban your Derry air.

So Danny boy, we'll raise our glasses to you.
And thank the Lord you've left for God knows where.
Black Velvet Band is being sung in lieu of you,
And we would rather go to Hell for her.
But we remember how you raised our glasses,
And made our voices ring the whole night long.
So Danny boy, although we love you dearly
Hit the road and take your misbegotten song.


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Subject: RE: Danny Boy banned in pub....
From: Big Mick
Date: 13 Mar 08 - 02:43 PM

The Clare Voyants have a Myspace page with this song on it. It is fun, I may have to grab this song. It has a chorus that the crowd could respond to. Fun stuff.

All the best,

Mick


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Subject: RE: Danny Boy banned in pub....
From: Ernest
Date: 13 Mar 08 - 02:09 PM

Thank you Riever, had a look and the website is offline... Maybe time brings another chance...
Best
Ernest


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Subject: RE: Danny Boy banned in pub....
From: Reiver 2
Date: 13 Mar 08 - 01:05 PM

Ernest,
"Danny Boy (RIP)" is on the CD album, "Pass It On" by the Clare Voyants. I don't think their website, www.clarevoyants.com, is active anymore. I think the album is still available on Amazon. Check out Amazon.com, then music, and then the album name and artist. It may be available through other websites that handle CDs. You could also email the Arizona Irish Music Society at aims@irishmusic.com and ask if they know where you could obtain that CD. Hope this helps.

Riever 2


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Subject: RE: Danny Boy banned in pub....
From: Ernest
Date: 13 Mar 08 - 02:57 AM

Funny song, reiver. Any place where we can find the tune?
Bst
Ernest


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Subject: RE: Danny Boy banned in pub....
From: Reiver 2
Date: 13 Mar 08 - 01:17 AM

Oh, I almost forgot. I was in Scotland and Ireland last August, and attended a caberet in an Edinburgh hotel one evening. (Even got to try haggis for the first time and found it quite good.) The highlight of the evening was when the Scottish MC asked if anyone wanted to request a Scottish song. A lady in the back (an American tourist, probably) immediately called out, "Danny Boy." The MC almost choked and the reaction of the audience was a 50-50 mixture of raucous laughter and angry shouts from some who, I'm sure, would have liked to boil the poor lady in a sheep's stomach.

Reiver 2


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Subject: RE: Danny Boy banned in pub....
From: Reiver 2
Date: 13 Mar 08 - 01:01 AM

I really didn't have time to read every post on this thread, so I apologize if I'm repeating something that has already been posted.

A locally popular young Celtic singer/musician named Shay Veno formed a group called the Clare Voyants that used to perform around Phoenix, AZ. They're no longer playing as a group but Shay Veno still performs as a solo act. He likes to compose as well as sing, and while with the Clare Voyants wrote this piece he called "Danny Boy (RIP)". It expresses the sentiments of those who have had it up to "here" with the traditional song and the whole counterfeit pseudo-Irish scene. It's not sung to the same tune as the real Danny Boy, but has a few good lines and a rollicking tune. It goes:

DANNY BOY (R.I.P.)

1) I met him in a pub one night,
   In a crowd of well-to do's.
   He had a claddagh on each finger
   And a shamrock on each shoe.
   And when he said "top 'o the mornin'
   My heart was filled with dread...
   But he said his name was "Danny Boy"
   So I shot him in the head.

Chorus:
       Raise up a cheer and lift your pints
       And hold them way up high;
       And sing a song of tragedy
       Beneath the Irish sky.
       From the glens the pipes are callin',
       But he never will reply,
       'Cause I buried Danny Boy
       Beneath the Fields of Athenry.
       Too-ra-loo, too-ra-lay,
       I thought I might dump him in Galway Bay.
       Too-ra-loo, too-ra-lie,
       But I buried Danny Boy beneath the Fields of Athenry.

2) Well the Garda, they came upon me
   And they took away me gun
   And a hush fell o'er the crowd
   When they saw what I had done.
   Said the Garda, "God forgive me
   For I'm sure in hell to burn,"
   Then he shot poor Danny Boy again,
   To make sure he won't return.

Chorus:

3) Now some call me a hero
   And some call me a fiend,
   But the still sing his sad auld song
   While drinking beer dyed toxic green.
   But my sentence it was commuted.
   It seems I'm off scot-free.
   Well I think I'll have another pint
   And wait for Michael Flatley.

Chorus:


OK. The lyrics are only so-so, but it has a real catchy tune. And personally, I like the old standard songs (well, most of them) and see nothing really wrong with a certain degree of affectation of Irishness. I see most of it as an intended compliment on the part of many who aren't Irish, but wish they were.

Reiver 2


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Subject: RE: Danny Boy banned in pub....
From: Tattie Bogle
Date: 11 Mar 08 - 09:12 PM

DannyC: not MY dates: just quoted what it said on the Sibelius site: if dates are true that would mean he lived to be 100: fairly rare in the 16th/17th century??


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Subject: RE: Danny Boy banned in pub....
From: PeadarOfPortsmouth
Date: 11 Mar 08 - 03:38 PM

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You know, I forwarded the article about the banning to a few musician friends figuring they'd get a laugh at the notion. But here's the thing: If I could, I'd sing it -- it absolutely was part of my family's tradition and our community's identity when I was growing up.

BTW - if anyone from across the pond ever questions the legitimacy of the "Irish-American" identity, can we just link to Mick's post?

Peter


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Subject: RE: Danny Boy banned in pub....
From: PoppaGator
Date: 11 Mar 08 - 03:01 PM

Bravo, Mick. Nice post.

I've sung-along on Danny Boy many a time, but I don't perform it ~ not out of any great distaste or weariness, I just never yet sat down to learn it.

And I certainly won't start doing it now ~ unless and until I work up a way to do it REALLY WELL.!


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Subject: RE: Danny Boy banned in pub....
From: Arkie
Date: 10 Mar 08 - 09:23 PM

After hearing Dayle Ann Bradley sing Danny Boy it has jumped way up on my list.


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Subject: RE: Danny Boy banned in pub....
From: DannyC
Date: 10 Mar 08 - 03:13 PM

Hey Mick, Thanks for the nice things you said here. Yeah, hopefully we'll have a chat and a pint when the ice thaws and Obama clears.   Best, Danny


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Subject: RE: Danny Boy banned in pub....
From: Jim Lad
Date: 10 Mar 08 - 02:42 AM

Hello!


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Subject: RE: Danny Boy banned in pub....
From: skarpi
Date: 09 Mar 08 - 08:22 PM

Danny who ?

instaed we should start a song about Mick .


Here it goes :

Mick now there was a gentleman , with guitar in his hand
he sang like his live gone , and kicked his drum with a stick





so if some one would hold this up with me ........:>)

ATB Skarpi Iceland


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Subject: RE: Danny Boy banned in pub....
From: KT
Date: 09 Mar 08 - 06:54 PM

"So off to work I go to put together an interpretation of it, that has the reverance it deserves in its new place in my world."

Bravo, friend Mick! Reverance, indeed, as that is what the song deserves, for all of the power and meaning it has had. It would be my privilege to hear you sing it, especially now. Look out St. Paddy's revelers! And if you're in Mick's locale, bring the kleenex, for it will most assuredly move you. And THAT is a good thing!

KT


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Subject: RE: Danny Boy banned in pub....
From: Big Mick
Date: 09 Mar 08 - 05:44 PM

******ROARING WITH LAUGHTER*******

Mick


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Subject: RE: Danny Boy banned in pub....
From: Peace
Date: 09 Mar 08 - 05:42 PM

Yer a friend, so singin' it is optional. Be careful whatcha ask for . . .


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Subject: RE: Danny Boy banned in pub....
From: Big Mick
Date: 09 Mar 08 - 05:39 PM

...Before I go, I will say these things about "Danny Boy". Taken on it's own, it's a beautiful song to a lovely air. It's got a challenging range and, IMHO, many who will not sing Danny Boy,cannot. I might want to pay more honor to the song since it was once a solemn unifying anthem of my caste - big-city, working-class Irish America. My own people loved it.

In another circumstance, when McGuigan's father sang it in Belfast before the bout with the Panamanian, it clearly served as a unifying element in that city. Sadly, over the decades it's been abused by the likes of me, though I always try to make a good go of it. Thankfully, I can do it little harm.

Regards,

Danny
post of 06 Mar 08 - 01:50 PM in this thread

Funny how this place, with all its characters, knowledge, and views, can affect your opinion on things. Danny C, I hope you know exactly what a pearl of great worth it was you penned into those two paragraphs. It made me hope that one day we can sit down over a pint and just have some conversation. That post, in the pondering of it, sparked a whole conversation yesterday, as I was being interviewed on a PBS talk show. The conversation swung to the reasons, historical, economic, and such, for why St. Pat's has evolved the way it has in this country. There is a pub in Grand Rapids, Michigan where the Irish performers, and others such as Bogle, and Stewart, love to come perform. It is called Quinn & Tuite's. Yesterday we had our annual Irish Family gathering where the families and kids all come to this marvelous place and make memories like I had when I was a kid. The wee lasses and lads step dance, the bands play, the Moms and Dads solve the problems of the world, and go home feeling like they are part of something, a community. A college PBS station set up a camera in the snugs area and was doing an interview with myself and the publican, and the comment came up that this was so different from the other Irish pubs. I pointed out that this is what a pub should be. That the Irish community was about family, music, song, and story, and feeling like you are a part of something. I pointed out that the places he is referring to are really just theme bars, but these rare finds (like Quinn & Tuite's)are a throwback to the time that DannyC refers to.

Often we hear the Irish American referred to in derisive terms, and called things like Plastic Paddys. I guess there is legitimacy to some of that. We find some way to express our identity and sometimes we find that in a tune with words written by an English fella who never stepped foot in Ireland, or a Jewish lad who wrote a kids poem with no idea it would resonate with folks, or a band from Ireland, and become iconic. Our celebrations, in general terms, have folks wearing silly pointed ears and full of stereotypical views of brawling, drunken Irish folks. I have often asked myself how this happened, when for me and the folks in my community, being of the Irish is a part of who we are, and understanding the history, culture, and language of our heritage is paramount. In our community, teaching our children the pride of being the grandchildren of that place, teaching them the values of love, loyalty, and friendship, teaching them to play the instruments, tell the stories, and sing the songs, is a big part of their growing up. I think, going back to the pondering of Danny's two short paragraphs, it lies in how and why we came to this great land of opportunity. Our people came here as indentured servants, or the cast offs of a great hunger, to start our lives at the very bottom of the rung. Our religion was not the dominate one, and we were viewed as little more than a commodity to be used up and cast off. Our lives were controlled by the predudice against us, and the economic forces that sought to use our labor without regard for our well being. But one day a year, the day the Holy Church set aside as the feast day of the Patron of our ancestral home, we could feel good about who we were. And we passed that on to our children. And they passed it on to theirs. And in the passing of the generations, as our people worked themselves out of that bottom place in this land, we lost much of the spiritual tie, and the cultural ties to Ireland. Ireland and being Irish became iconic, and pain of separation from her, and the memory of the conditions that sent us here became a distant memory. And the celebration became something different. But there are those communities out here of folks that clung to their connections with the past, who seek to use their heritage to remind them that the way forward is deeply influened by reflection on the past and understanding the journey and values of a people that got you this far.

So for all that rambling, I apologize. But it comes down to this. I started this thread with a tongue in cheek post, but the miracle of the Mudcat took over and in the posts, especially DannyC's, I have once again had my thinking evolve. The great beauty of the song lies in what it has become, and what it has meant, to the children of Ireland around the world. Its symbolic value, in many cases, is far greater than its message. It has been an anthem for working folks here, struggling to hold on to who they are, and yet doing what they must to allow their families to prosper in a new land.

So off to work I go to put together an interpretation of it, that has the reverance it deserves in its new place in my world. Good man, ya are, DannyC. When I see you, the jars are on me.

But I still ain't singin' The Unicorn unless you show me a pistol....

All the best,

Mick


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Subject: RE: Danny Boy banned in pub....
From: The Mole Catcher's Apprentice (inactive)
Date: 09 Mar 08 - 04:59 PM

The Unicorn will be, forever, associated with The Irish Rovers hence the woman's mistake...

Charlotte (isn't remotely Irish either)


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Subject: RE: Danny Boy banned in pub....
From: Big Mick
Date: 09 Mar 08 - 04:56 PM

At a gigg on this last Friday, I had a woman come up and ask for the Unicorn. I told her I don't do the song. She told me I wasn't very Irish. I asked her how not playing a song written by a Jewish fellow in the Catskills made me not very Irish. She was quite adamant that it was not, it was an Irish song. I referred her to the works of Shel Silverstein, and told her of the book of poetry of his that I used to read from to my girls when they were small. She still insisted I was wrong, God bless her. Funny how this stuff goes with these songs.

All the best,

Mick


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Subject: RE: Danny Boy banned in pub....
From: Thompson
Date: 09 Mar 08 - 04:41 PM

GUEST McGee, let me get this right: you're using a song apparently written by an Englishman to prove that the Irish are sentimental and maudlin?

Hmmm... odd logic here!


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Subject: RE: Danny Boy banned in pub....
From: KT
Date: 09 Mar 08 - 03:57 PM

"Waltzing with Bears" though, is a different story. I can honestly say to anyone who requests it, that I don't know it. And ever shall it be.


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Subject: RE: Danny Boy banned in pub....
From: KT
Date: 09 Mar 08 - 03:51 PM

Discussion of Danny Boy has come up often in the last few years. Refusal to sing it or the suggestion to ban it has seemed the trend of late, and I've often felt a tad out of touch, even somewhat politically incorrect, for not being in agreement.

While I can understand tiring of a song which has been overplayed in certain areas, I can't imagine myself ever refusing to sing it for someone who requests it, sincerely. Whether DB is my favorite or not, is immaterial to me, when I'm being offered the opportunity to share music with folks who love it, and who might not otherwise be able to hear/play/sing it for themselves. In my 14 years of singing for folks from many parts of the world, I can't recall a time when the crowd did not "hush" considerably when they heard the first strains of Danny Boy.

A song like that has much meaning for many people, and for some, touches a deep part of them. Most non-musicians have no clue about its origins, and that doesn't really matter, if it speaks to them. If its sentimentality moves them to tears, even amidst a rollicking St. Patrick's Day celebration, that's not at all a bad thing. Tears bring people just a wee bit closer.

Some would perhaps chose not to sing it in some settings to, in a way, guard it from abuse. I still think I'd rather sing it if requested, give it my best, and let anyone's response to it be their own.

MHO -
KT

It just occurred to me ....As much as some resent having it played on St. Patrick's Day, I'd wager a bet that there are more (uninformed though they are as to its origins) who feel they haven't fully celebrated the day if they didn't get to hear it.


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Subject: RE: Danny Boy banned in pub....
From: Bat Goddess
Date: 09 Mar 08 - 02:41 PM

Chesterton: "The great Gaels of Ireland / Are the men the gods made mad / For all their wars are merry / and all their songs are sad."

Linn


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Subject: RE: Danny Boy banned in pub....
From: DannyC
Date: 09 Mar 08 - 01:57 PM

Hey Tattie,

I'd say Chief O'Neill would need your dates to be kind of accurate for his story to hold true.   Cheers, Danny


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Subject: RE: Danny Boy banned in pub....
From: GUEST,McGee
Date: 09 Mar 08 - 08:24 AM

There's an old saying that the Irish are "the men that God made mad, for all their wars are happy, and all their songs are sad". Maudlin and sentimental?   Certainly describes a lot of my Irish relatives....DB was my grandmother's favourite song and one she was always asking me to sing for her. It was sung at her funeral but that was one time I couldn't honour her request.


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Subject: RE: Danny Boy banned in pub....
From: Snuffy
Date: 09 Mar 08 - 08:08 AM

We used to sing "In Derry Vale" in school. Not sure if it was in Juniors or first year at Grammar.


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Subject: RE: Danny Boy banned in pub....
From: Tattie Bogle
Date: 09 Mar 08 - 07:58 AM

Got "In Derry Vale" out of a "News Chronicle" songbook (ca 1930 edition)I got at a book sale. Many other gems therein.


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Subject: RE: Danny Boy banned in pub....
From: Barry Finn
Date: 08 Mar 08 - 10:41 PM

Sinsul, "I love danny Boy and loved the hour long special on PBS with everyone from Sinead O'Connor to Johnny Cash singing a version"

I have a store of whips & chains I'd love to sell you.

Barry


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Subject: RE: Danny Boy banned in pub....
From: Jim Lad
Date: 08 Mar 08 - 09:48 PM

Nice song, Totty Bogul!


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Subject: RE: Danny Boy banned in pub....
From: Tattie Bogle
Date: 08 Mar 08 - 06:31 PM

Well maybe the dates were wrong, but great to know there's a Scottish connection!


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