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BS: My mind has been changed

Donuel 10 Mar 08 - 11:59 AM
GUEST,PMB 10 Mar 08 - 12:36 PM
Amos 10 Mar 08 - 12:38 PM
the lemonade lady 10 Mar 08 - 01:32 PM
Rapparee 10 Mar 08 - 08:34 PM
catspaw49 10 Mar 08 - 08:42 PM
Little Hawk 10 Mar 08 - 10:15 PM
Art Thieme 10 Mar 08 - 10:41 PM
GUEST,Chicken Charlie 11 Mar 08 - 12:25 AM
Slag 11 Mar 08 - 01:17 AM
catspaw49 11 Mar 08 - 01:39 AM
Big Mick 11 Mar 08 - 01:54 AM
freda underhill 11 Mar 08 - 05:11 AM
Slag 11 Mar 08 - 07:09 AM
Big Al Whittle 11 Mar 08 - 08:09 AM
GUEST,PMB 11 Mar 08 - 09:11 AM
Donuel 11 Mar 08 - 12:17 PM
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Subject: BS: My mind has been changed
From: Donuel
Date: 10 Mar 08 - 11:59 AM

If I were to say that I changed my mind it would be an egotistical way to say somewhat the same thing.

For decades I have pondered on a weekly basis what it was that I saw at 23 Strathallen Park in Rochester NY in 1981. I saw 2 globes of nebulous light pass unchanged through brick walls. For years I tried to understand this unusual and vere again seen phenomenon as some kind of other dimensional incursion into 3D space.

I now believe I was far afield and flat out wrong.

I now think I saw an electrical phenomenon. I first ruled out ball lightening because I put my finger right up next to the coronal glowing discharge of one of the light globes and recieved no electric shock. I was however full of adrenaline but I did not feel an electric spark. Why it did not interact or discharge on the walls or my hand is still not known to me so I am still filled with wonder.

Yet I have given over to an electric universe model.
http://video.google.com.au/videoplay?docid=4773590301316220374

Why does any of this matter to me? It lies at the heart of my personal understanding of our sun, our solar system and Cosmology itself, the queen of all science.

It seems we are not only in a universe of matter and gravity. We are not merely in an electric energy universe. We are both.

Two great minds that have explained our universe have done so to the complete exclusion of one another's ideas.
First it is Einstein who's relativistic models of light, energy and mass and to a lesser extent gravity, reshaped our Newtonian uexplanation of the Universe.
Then there was Tesla who could not even mathmaticaly explain his idea of his electric universe but did work in plasma physics.

If Einstein had taken the electrical nature of the universe and Tesla had more relativistic ideas, we would probably have a clearer picture of what our universe is and why it behaves as it does.

For example we would not be surprised that the universe is accelerating in its expanison. A partical will accelerate in a charged field.
The filament nature of matter and energy in the universe would be seen as electic fields and black holes as substations of electirc transmission.

Even our idea that the Sun is soley a thermonuclear reaction is wrong.
If we embraced an electrical model the sun would not be so mysterious as to why the corona is 2 million degrees hot but its surface is only 6,000. Why the sunspots are dark and relatively cool instead of being hot as we peer into the fusion furnace below. In the new atomic age on our planet we assumed the sun consumed itself in a constant fusion reaction.
In an electric model, the sun is merely a focal point of electrical energy. Continuous fusion reactions have never been been done on Earth but the plasma.

Comets glow due to electric discharge and not ice turning to water and then relfected in sunlight.

Einstein wasn't satisfied with his explanation that matter somehow curved space and created gravity.
Even today we try to envision dark matter as the missing link to explain why galaxies and wpin so uniformally without enough gravity to make them spin so perfectly.

To be overly simplistic.
Dark matter and "white matter" are like Xmas tree lights.
Dark matter is the wire and visible matter are the stars and glowing plasma disharges.


Maybe it seems I was stupid for disregarding my suspicion that those globes of light I saw in my house were not electric in nature,

but it also seems stupid that it has taken so long to accept the electric nature of our sun, the filamentary lines of force of electric plasma energy that resembles all nebula and galaxy formations, the glow of comets etc.

The electric explanations of our own sun obey Occama's Razor more simply/eloquently and rationally than the lone gravitational thermonuclear dynamic theories of our sun's behavior.

Once again I am saying it takes both understandings and not one or another to understand the energy of the universe and our use of that energy. The sun will eventually consume itself but by the fusion model alone there is no way it could burn as long as it will.

In our sun's case, size matters. If it were 100 times larger, gravity would promote much more runaway fusion reactions that would consume itself far more rapidly than the sun.

(((follow the force Luke)))

Its time to accept invisible lines of force. Afterall its only electricity.


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Subject: RE: BS: My mind has been changed
From: GUEST,PMB
Date: 10 Mar 08 - 12:36 PM

I'd say you still haven't totally given up whatever you were on in Rochester NY in 1981...


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Subject: RE: BS: My mind has been changed
From: Amos
Date: 10 Mar 08 - 12:38 PM

Pay him no mind, Donuel. Endless seeking is the thinking man's noble burden.

A


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Subject: RE: BS: My mind has been changed
From: the lemonade lady
Date: 10 Mar 08 - 01:32 PM

Seems all very logical to me. Thanks for drawing my attention to something I hadn't thought about before.

It just goes to show, doesn't it?

Sal


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Subject: RE: BS: My mind has been changed
From: Rapparee
Date: 10 Mar 08 - 08:34 PM

I think it's more complicated than just one thing or just another. Matter and energy, space and time....


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Subject: RE: BS: My mind has been changed
From: catspaw49
Date: 10 Mar 08 - 08:42 PM

This thread was titled incorrectly. Perhaps My Mind Has Been Fried would have been more appropriate. You should have laid off the narcotic sooner and before it rendered your ass null and void.

Spaw


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Subject: RE: BS: My mind has been changed
From: Little Hawk
Date: 10 Mar 08 - 10:15 PM

Fascinating stuff, Donuel! Thanks for the link. It's a very interesting theory, one well worth a second look.

Spaw, "have a smile and a coke and shut up". ;-)


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Subject: RE: BS: My mind has been changed
From: Art Thieme
Date: 10 Mar 08 - 10:41 PM

Go for it.
And more power to ya!

Art


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Subject: RE: BS: My mind has been changed
From: GUEST,Chicken Charlie
Date: 11 Mar 08 - 12:25 AM

Amos, I think what Gandhi really said was, "Endless squeaking is a stinking man's verbal urine." He just mumbled a lot.

The globes didn't pass through the walls anyway; the wall passed through the globes. Re-do from start.

B#B#

Speaking of Teshla, have any of you lay-abouts seen "The Prestige?"


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Subject: RE: BS: My mind has been changed
From: Slag
Date: 11 Mar 08 - 01:17 AM

Ball lightening ( a very rare occurrence [I witnessed such at the age of seven and not since]) is most probably a static charge that has reached a sort of equilibrium and as such is not felt and does not effect the living being with which it is in contact. Its most common occurrence is in open pasture-type land and rolling on the ground or on the backs of cattle. It has been reported on the old wooden ships as running up and down the rigging and the sample I saw was on the guy wires of our television antenna ca 1956 during an electrical storm. You are lucky that when you put your had where you saw the phenomenon that it was still in equilibrium for when something alters that there is often an explosion of sparks and an electrical discharge of varying capacity. That is to say, IF it was ball lightening!


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Subject: RE: BS: My mind has been changed
From: catspaw49
Date: 11 Mar 08 - 01:39 AM

So Slag.....How do you lighten balls anyway? Are you lightening the color or are you reducing the mass?   Have you lightened your own balls or is this sorta' theoretical with you?

Spaw


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Subject: RE: BS: My mind has been changed
From: Big Mick
Date: 11 Mar 08 - 01:54 AM

Spaw...... go to bed.

You, I, and Kennedy are on this forum at the same time. Think of the implications in terms of quantum physics.......

go to bed.....

Mick


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Subject: RE: BS: My mind has been changed
From: freda underhill
Date: 11 Mar 08 - 05:11 AM

the only thing i know about quantum physics, apart from that i don't understand, is that most physicists these days accept there is a parallel universe, like a copy of our own, and that we and all existence are duplicated in it.

an electrical universe makes sense to me. we see planets rotating, and we are made of rotating atoms, electrons, molecules. everything is matter, and it's also all energy. we are in a world, and we have a world in us.

it makes the thought of generating electricity, changing lightbulbs, turning the kettle on etc a little weird.

and those two light globes Donuel ..


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Subject: RE: BS: My mind has been changed
From: Slag
Date: 11 Mar 08 - 07:09 AM

If you're really interested Spaw, I know an old Basque sheepherder who can do it for you for free and he will sautee them up and you can share them over his campfire.


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Subject: RE: BS: My mind has been changed
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 11 Mar 08 - 08:09 AM

I think personal preference comes in here. If you want to have seen extra terrestial frolic-ing about - you see 'em mate!

Sod Einstein, he's dead you know.....

Wouldn't you rather have seen....something other worldly?


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Subject: RE: BS: My mind has been changed
From: GUEST,PMB
Date: 11 Mar 08 - 09:11 AM

a static charge that has reached a sort of equilibrium

Kindly explain. How does a static charge reach an equilibrium? With what?


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Subject: RE: BS: My mind has been changed
From: Donuel
Date: 11 Mar 08 - 12:17 PM

Right now the behavior of the globes of light are magic much like music was before I studied music theory.
If I were ever to really know what was happening with those nebulous glowing lights (which scared the hell out of my cats) I would be losing something wonderful for the exchange of something that might have wonderful applications.

Who knows maybe they were micro singularities that just skimmed the Earth. If I had put my finger to the center I may have started an accreation of matter that could have destroyed the Earth.

Spaw, you should be thankfull.


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Subject: RE: BS: My mind has been changed
From: Donuel
Date: 11 Mar 08 - 12:25 PM

Regarding the cats: Since the lights were not that bright, I am thinking they may have been giving off some ultra sound that cats could hear. To me they were silent.


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Subject: RE: BS: My mind has been changed
From: Little Hawk
Date: 11 Mar 08 - 12:27 PM

All potential differences in electricity attempt to reach equilibrium. That's what causes electrons to flow, and lightning bolts to arc from one place to another.

Now arguing people, on the other hand, do not attempt to reach equilibrium, they attempt to verbally destroy one another, and that's what causes most of the problems around here. ;-)


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Subject: RE: BS: My mind has been changed
From: Big Phil
Date: 11 Mar 08 - 01:00 PM

Its the weed man, the weed.

Phil*


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Subject: RE: BS: My mind has been changed
From: GUEST,PMB
Date: 11 Mar 08 - 01:06 PM

Yes LH, if it is a a static charge that has "reached a sort of equilibrium", the only eqilibrium for it to reach is neutrality, which don't glow. Hint: glowing is giving off energy in the phorm of futons. If somethings emitting energy, it can't be at equilibrium.


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Subject: RE: BS: My mind has been changed
From: GUEST,lox
Date: 11 Mar 08 - 02:14 PM

... Can't wait till the sun goes down ... I don't know if I can handle being bombarded by any more futons ...


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Subject: RE: BS: My mind has been changed
From: Little Hawk
Date: 11 Mar 08 - 02:16 PM

Clearly. It is attempting to move toward equilibrium when it gives off energy.

Here's a proposition for you. I think that without some form of active intelligence in a system to periodically provide a new impetus for change (seen in the movement of energy) you would quite quickly have the whole system reach a state of absolute equilibrium as everthing balanced itself out. It would all then become motionless. Still. No more movements.

Therefore, I think that it is a form of active intelligence that is continually keeping everything moving in the Universe! And I mean right down to the atomic levels. If not for that active intelligence initiating continual evolution, movement, and change, the whole Universe would have reached stasis a long time ago, and would effectively be dead.

And I can just imagine the frenzied response that will draw from some quarters... ;-)


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Subject: RE: BS: My mind has been changed
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 11 Mar 08 - 02:27 PM

Don't worry about the frenzied response, some fools don't believe in Father Christmas.


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Subject: RE: BS: My mind has been changed
From: Donuel
Date: 11 Mar 08 - 02:29 PM

I even wondered if the lights were intelligent but I can not figure how it passes through walls. Thats one reason I thought about a dimensional incursion. You know, like if we were 2D and a 3D pencil poked a hole in our dimension. In 3D however if a 4 D pencil poked a hole in our dimension it would look like a sphere to us.


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Subject: RE: BS: My mind has been changed
From: Ebbie
Date: 11 Mar 08 - 03:36 PM

I'm missing a good deal of the significance of this subject. I myself have seen ball lightning at least three times- one of the times it was large, having squeezed through a half open window during a lightning storm and then dropped to about knee high to me as it drifted out the open door. That one was orange. Another time it was a white, cloudy orb (indoors); another time there were two of them and they were blue and orange (outdoors, at twilight).

Speaking of the phenomenon as if it might have been intelligent smacks too much of black helicopters to me.


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Subject: RE: BS: My mind has been changed
From: Little Hawk
Date: 11 Mar 08 - 04:18 PM

Hey, man, I stopped believing in Father Christmas before any other kid in my class... ;-) I can well remember it.

You may have misinterpreted my proposition.


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Subject: RE: BS: My mind has been changed
From: Little Hawk
Date: 11 Mar 08 - 04:27 PM

Black helicopters are definite proof of intelligence. Malign intelligence, but intelligence nonetheless.


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Subject: RE: BS: My mind has been changed
From: Donuel
Date: 11 Mar 08 - 05:00 PM

Our local FOX TV helicopter is black.


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Subject: RE: BS: My mind has been changed
From: Little Hawk
Date: 11 Mar 08 - 05:28 PM

There ya go. Malign intelligence. ;-) And it's all made possible by electricity!


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Subject: RE: BS: My mind has been changed
From: Ebbie
Date: 11 Mar 08 - 11:00 PM

Little Hawk, are you being facetious? As you know, "Black helicopter" has become a euphemism for a living entity, a living being housed in a machine. If a tire went flat, it would be the equivalent of a broken leg.


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Subject: RE: BS: My mind has been changed
From: Little Hawk
Date: 11 Mar 08 - 11:54 PM

Are you serious? I thought Black Helicopters were a common analogy for secret ops by nasty government and CIA personnel...when you see 'em coming, prepare for the absolute worst.


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Subject: RE: BS: My mind has been changed
From: Slag
Date: 12 Mar 08 - 03:30 AM

A capacitor reaches a sort of equilibrium while it holds a static charge. When contact is made between the anode and cathode, it discharges. If you have ever been near a lightening strike you will see some interesting phenomena as electricity is drawn from the ground but the charge is, AT THAT POINT, insufficient to jump the gap to the charged cloud. Why is that such a hard concept for you?


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Subject: RE: BS: My mind has been changed
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 12 Mar 08 - 04:07 AM

Are you going back on what you said, and on sober reflection, it was just a four dimensional pencil?


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Subject: RE: BS: My mind has been changed
From: GUEST,PMB
Date: 12 Mar 08 - 05:00 AM

I think that without some form of active intelligence in a system to periodically provide a new impetus for change ...you would quite quickly have the whole system reach a state of absolute equilibrium as everthing balanced itself out.

There's nothing like a little education in physics (start with "101") to wean people off belief in angels.


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Subject: RE: BS: My mind has been changed
From: Mr Happy
Date: 12 Mar 08 - 08:28 AM

PMB,

So where can I obtain one've those energised futons?

Be really handy for keepin' me little body from the cold in t'peaks!


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Subject: RE: BS: My mind has been changed
From: Ebbie
Date: 12 Mar 08 - 01:30 PM

That's what I used to think too, Little Hawk, but not so.

"Black Helicopters (BH) are not just helicopters with a black paint-job as you may have been told. They are, in fact, autonomous agents -- lifeforms -- created by New World Order (NWO) agencies via nanobiotechnology. Their primary purpose is to spy on the activities of average citizens in order to gather tactical information and discover "subversives" who are not bowing to the will of the Liberati's UN-backed Federal Government. Furthermore, when the NWO Invasion takes place in the not-too-distant future, they will round up citizens for internment in concentration camps or carry out the elimination of the more vocally anti-Liberati."

Read it and Weep


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Subject: RE: BS: My mind has been changed
From: Little Hawk
Date: 12 Mar 08 - 01:46 PM

Sheesh. ;-) Well, I read about half of it, Ebbie. That was enough.

PMB, I was not talking about angels. Nor was I talking about the Christian God, the Islamic God or any other such "theos" deriving from some classical religion. I was talking about pure intelligence, period, as an energetically active principle within everything, right down to the atomic level. Science can observe the effects of that intelligence in all kinds of useful ways, as has been done and is being done right in the laboratory, and modern physics sheds much useful light on the matter. The key is consciousness.


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Subject: RE: BS: My mind has been changed
From: Slag
Date: 12 Mar 08 - 05:08 PM

A great Sci-Fi story "Starquake" by Robt. L. Forward uses this concept of pure or near-pure energy beings and spins an excellent tale. The science involved is quite accurate and the speculation seems quite plausible. In fact it is so plausible that some SETI hunters also look for modulated starlight and gravity waves.


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Subject: RE: BS: My mind has been changed
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 13 Mar 08 - 11:56 AM

are you sure your minds been changed? I'm beginning to think it was a bit like that anyway.


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Subject: RE: BS: My mind has been changed
From: Donuel
Date: 13 Mar 08 - 12:35 PM

Well wee

If you were a being in a 2 dimensional universe, a bit like a sheet of paper, and then a 3D pencil poked through the paper it would look like a line to you.

Now move up one dimension where you are now and imagine a 4D pencil poking into our space.

if you don't like pencil picture a hypercylinder (its just that most human minds can not picture that)



SLAG could a bit of electric charge somehow insulate itself and pass through brick and drywall?

If it can then thats what I saw.


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Subject: RE: BS: My mind has been changed
From: Little Hawk
Date: 13 Mar 08 - 12:53 PM

"Wee" thinks he already knows all he needs to. ;-) Don't disturb him.


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Subject: RE: BS: My mind has been changed
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 13 Mar 08 - 01:05 PM

Hardly I can't work my camcorder......Happily I didn't have access to a fourdimensional pencil with which to penetrate it.


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Subject: RE: BS: My mind has been changed
From: Donuel
Date: 13 Mar 08 - 01:10 PM

With a 4D "stick" one could reach into any secure vault on 3D Earth.


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Subject: RE: BS: My mind has been changed
From: Little Hawk
Date: 13 Mar 08 - 01:16 PM

Yes, but could one lift anything out of there with such a stick? Probably not.


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