BS: Shannon found- alive!

Subject: RE: BS: Shannon found- alive!
From: GUEST,Guest
Date: 07 Apr 08 - 08:43 AM

Subject: RE: BS: Shannon found- alive!
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 14 Mar 08 - 07:22 PM

I've just been watching the scenes of the friends and relatives and neighbours getting the news, and it was like watching a miracle unfold. Very moving and completely genuine.

You don't see something like that very often on TV.

THANK GOD !

This thread has been closed due to its deterioration into personal attacks. Everybody step back and chill out.

Subject: RE: BS: Shannon found- alive!
From: Georgiansilver
Date: 07 Apr 08 - 08:19 AM

Subject: RE: BS: Shannon found- alive!
From: Georgiansilver - PM
Date: 14 Mar 08 - 02:57 PM

Great that she has been found but I guess there has to be the usual inquest by the Police, the family, the community and of course the good old press. I will be really interested in the final story as there would seem to be more to it than meets the eye at present. I am sure this was not just a simple abduction by a 'strange' man......let's see....time will reveal all!

Subject: RE: BS: Shannon found- alive!
From: GUEST,Guest
Date: 07 Apr 08 - 06:55 AM

Emma, it is headlines on the BBC today, so yes I do consider it a current news story.

Emma the comment (5th April 08) you refer to is from a current member (I think you probably know who). IP address can disclose a lot (pm a mod regarding it).

Subject: RE: BS: Shannon found- alive!
From: Emma B
Date: 07 Apr 08 - 06:30 AM

Of course comment on current news is acceptable do you consider that this is?

From: GUEST,Guest - PM
Date: 05 Apr 08 - 12:39 PM

Ha, ha, ha, you snivelling lot. So that pathetic do-gooder Dr Jekyll has found out what's going on, has he? That'll teach him to hide his identity to protect his professional reputation. But that's exactly what he's created...me..Mr Hide. I can say anything I want to about you Richard Bridge, and you theleveller and you Emma B and there's not a thing you can do about it. You think I'm evil? Just wait until you hear what I've got to say next.......

or I'm sorry - did you take the wrong potion again?
It's not only the 'joke' that's sick!

Subject: RE: BS: Shannon found- alive!
From: GUEST,Guest
Date: 07 Apr 08 - 06:26 AM

Sorry theleveller, people are allowed to comment on current news stories. If you prefer to ignore the comments, fine please do so.

Subject: RE: BS: Shannon found- alive!
From: theleveller
Date: 07 Apr 08 - 06:03 AM

Alright, all you people out there posing as GUEST:Guest, don't you think the 'Mr Angry' scam is wearing a bit thin? You've wound us up, you've made us laugh, but now the joke's starting to get a bit sick…and very boring. Give it a rest, now.

Subject: RE: BS: Shannon found- alive!
From: GUEST,Guest
Date: 07 Apr 08 - 03:05 AM

Shannon's mother now arrested this morning in connection with the case. The only member of this clan not in custody is the family dog.

Subject: RE: BS: Shannon found- alive!
From: GUEST,Guest
Date: 06 Apr 08 - 06:45 PM

Because they are called "The opinions of others" Sorcha.

Subject: RE: BS: Shannon found- alive!
From: Sorcha
Date: 06 Apr 08 - 06:02 PM

Why hasn't some of the crap and attacks here been deleted?

Subject: RE: BS: Shannon found- alive!
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 06 Apr 08 - 05:37 PM

Just trawled through this lot. Only one observation realy.

Maddie case - No one in the family arrested or any longer under suspision by any authorities.

Shannon case - Members of the extended family arrested and under investigation by the police.

Can the people who castigated the McCanns in the former case realy justify supporting the Matthews clan here? Slight case of reverse snobbery methinks but I do not wish to go down that route too far.

Like someone said earlier. Lets wait to see what the courts say. In BOTH cases please?

Cheers

Dave

Subject: RE: BS: Shannon found- alive!
From: GUEST,Guest
Date: 05 Apr 08 - 06:49 PM

Still not answering questions posed to you Emma, nothing new there !

Yes see Dick Bridge as a compassionate person lmfao

Subject: RE: BS: Maggie Thatcher Day
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 11 Jan 03 - 04:04 PM

I am glad to hear Thatcher had a stroke. I enjoy it every time I hear it. I hope she suffers long dying. I hope she rots in hell for eternity thereafter.

She destroyed the progress this country and the western world (possibly except America) were making towards civilisation, and towards reducing the gap between rich and poor.

For selfish and doctrinaire reasons she made millions suffer so her few fair weather friends could benefit. She did no good and much harm.

There may be others who have recently been more evil and malevolent than she. But not many.

Subject: RE: BS: Shannon found- alive!
From: Emma B
Date: 05 Apr 08 - 06:41 PM

but not necessarily in that order :)

Subject: RE: BS: Shannon found- alive!
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 05 Apr 08 - 06:22 PM

Gigi - First, learn to read. Second, learn to think. Third, learn to check your alleged facts. Fourth, please emigrate.

Subject: RE: BS: Shannon found- alive!
From: Don Firth
Date: 05 Apr 08 - 06:04 PM

The inanity of GUEST,Guest used to bug me, but since I have attained enlightenment, I speak no weevil.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Shannon found- alive!
From: Captain Ginger
Date: 05 Apr 08 - 04:21 PM

You are Paul Dacre and I claim my £5!
Or is it Richard Desmond? Or Richard Littlejohn? Or Nick Griffin? Or Nigel Farage?
Hard to tell, really.

Subject: RE: BS: Shannon found- alive!
From: GUEST,Guest
Date: 05 Apr 08 - 03:43 PM

The reason we have dysfunctional families such as the Matthews in the UK is because of the Nanny state whereby it is considered ok if you are on the dole, sitting in front of the telly watching 'am I bovvered' and generally acting like the parasites they are.

This government has made our country a laughing stock with a million single mums having children by whoever takes their fancy for five minutes,given free housing and handouts for their various offspring.

Can you blame them? Well yes, because the poorest person can still have values and standards, but the wastes of space in the country are going to grab every penny they can and live off the taxpayers! The answer is to stop giving money to single mums, get people back to work and away from the idea that if they have a backache they can get disability etc. Family allowance should only be for the first child too. Bring in drastic changes and we will see a change overnight in peoples' attitudes.
Having said all that, I am so happy that Shannon is safe and well and long may she and her siblings remain so!

These people are a disgrace to the UK nothing but scroungers 7kids!! 5 fathers!! I bet everyone in this family will be a doleite when they grow up! if ever. Seems like some sort of scam to me if they benefit 1penny from this it should be given to charity.

Subject: RE: BS: Shannon found- alive!
From: GUEST,guessed
Date: 05 Apr 08 - 02:24 PM

I think you're going to tell us that you have your evil way with cats and that your name is Claud Balls.

Subject: RE: BS: Shannon found- alive!
From: Captain Ginger
Date: 05 Apr 08 - 02:14 PM

Evil? Nah - just extremely childish. Anonymous attention-seeking with a keyboard is really rather sad if that really is all you have to offer.

Subject: RE: BS: Shannon found- alive!
From: GUEST,Guest
Date: 05 Apr 08 - 12:39 PM

Ha, ha, ha, you snivelling lot. So that pathetic do-gooder Dr Jekyll has found out what's going on, has he? That'll teach him to hide his identity to protect his professional reputation. But that's exactly what he's created...me..Mr Hide. I can say anything I want to about you Richard Bridge, and you theleveller and you Emma B and there's not a thing you can do about it. You think I'm evil? Just wait until you hear what I've got to say next.......

Subject: RE: BS: Shannon found- alive!
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 05 Apr 08 - 12:15 PM

"Benefit scroungers the lot of them. Not a single member of the family circle work for a living."

And this is Shannon's fault? It's a reason to pour disdain on a 9-year-old child? It's a reason to spout vitriol on what is a very sad situation for an innocent little girl?

I've just realised your true identity, GG - you're Terry Fuckwit, and I claim the £5 prize.

Subject: RE: BS: Shannon found- alive!
From: GUEST,Guest
Date: 05 Apr 08 - 11:28 AM

Can someone help me out there, I don't know what's happening. I keep waking up here in my Edinburgh laboratory to find that someone has made some really unpleasant posts on Mudcat in my name. It's like some evil part of my psyche has taken over - maybe it has something to do with that potion I drank....oh god, no, it's happening again...........

Subject: RE: BS: Shannon found- alive!
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 05 Apr 08 - 10:02 AM

Gigi - go and check your facts.

Subject: RE: BS: Shannon found- alive!
From: theleveller
Date: 05 Apr 08 - 09:57 AM

LOL. A phrase containing the words "pot", "kettle" and "black" springs to mind.

Subject: RE: BS: Shannon found- alive!
From: GUEST,Guest
Date: 05 Apr 08 - 07:58 AM

Leveller, there is a website I would advise you consider going onto, it is geared for those who are worried about their own mental health.

It discusses how you can spot the symptoms ( as a few here spotted from your ranting posts)of a potential mental health problem and suggests some simple ways to stay mentally healthy.

It does not contain detailed information on any mental health conditions and should not be seen as a substitute for talking to your doctor or healthcare professional if you are worried about any aspect of your mental health. Further information on mental health problems can be found on a range of websites listed in the directory of services section of the site or by visiting the Royal College of Psychiatrists website at www.rcpsych.ac.uk/mentalhealthinformation.aspx

If you are Concerned about yourself,(as we are for you) please take my advice and visit www.mindingyourhead.info/template.asp

People of different ages can face different problems that can affect their mental health, there are also dedicated sections for Young people, Adults and Older people.

Health and other Professionals who may be in a position to spot mental health problems in others, or who are concerned about their own mental health, will find this website useful for information, sources of training and other resources. It provides a central source of advice and contact information for support groups and organisations across.

The website will be updated regularly and you can leave your comments there instead of here.

Subject: RE: BS: Shannon found- alive!
From: GUEST,Guest
Date: 05 Apr 08 - 07:41 AM

It never fails to amaze me how this clown "theleveller" comes onto a thread saying things like "so your comments don't merit a response" or "I am leaving this this thread" or "this is my last comment" then five minutes later this terminal bore returns !

Going through their previous posts on various threads it is clear there is either a personality disorder or some who is just bored in their life and thinks their opinion counts for something.

For what reason would anyone wish to either converse, read posts or debate with such An ill-informed individual ?

I didn't fully understand the comments about them by other members at first, I certainly do now !

Subject: RE: BS: Shannon found- alive!
From: theleveller
Date: 05 Apr 08 - 06:41 AM

Totally misinformed, as usual, GG. You know nothing of these people and how they live, so your comments don't merit a response.

Why are you such a sad and bitter person; what has happened in your life to make you so unpleasant? Have you thought about seeking professional help - it's available on the NHS, if you can bear the thought of other people's taxes paying for it. I, for one, would not begrudge it as they may be able to stop your constant vomiting up of noxious bile and make you a happier person.

On the other hand, it would deprive us all of a good laugh!

Subject: RE: BS: Shannon found- alive!
From: the lemonade lady
Date: 05 Apr 08 - 05:45 AM

'... I think there is much more here than we have been told. This family are going to be rewarded by magazines, sleazy tabloids, worldwide tv interviews, morning telly, Richard and Judy; need I go on?...'

There's more to this than meets the eye. News is coming out all the time about this case. Tabloids love to eek it out just to keep the interest going and newpaper sales.

Sal

Subject: RE: BS: Shannon found- alive!
From: GUEST,Guest
Date: 05 Apr 08 - 04:44 AM

Emma, Living off benefits is now a profession. You really need to open your eyes. We live in a work shy society and if a girl decides to get pregnant at 17 and keepthe child and then get a council house and raise a squad of kids to different fathers, why should I have to pay to support her ?

If someone chooses to put on an act to their GP and benefits assessor (if one bothers to come out) and lives off D.L.A. and Incapacity benefit instead of seeking a job, why should I have to pay for it.

D.L.A. and a free Mobility car are the goals of many leeches.

Subject: RE: BS: Shannon found- alive!
From: Emma B
Date: 04 Apr 08 - 02:34 PM

Guest, not only are you anonymous but you are as uncouth as you are ill informed and bigoted.

' While between 10 and 15 per cent of Moorside's working-age population lives on sickness benefit, most of its families contain a worker.

The problem is pay, which is often around the minimum wage.'

in addition ...

'Moorside is no longer an exclusively council-owned estate. You can tell the privately owned houses by their new grey roofs. A basic house with three bedrooms costs about £90,000, while one that's been modernised and had an extension put in is nearer the £120,000 mark'

Lynsey Hanley, author of a study of council housing, Estates: An Intimate History, states....

"The real problem is segregation - the farming out of the poorest families to estates on the outskirts of towns, often badly served by transport and shops. The 'right to buy' scheme of the Eighties removed many of the more affluent families in council areas as they sold up and moved on.

''Council estates became places of last resort for people who had failed to keep up. They have been given this label of the 'underclass'. They are treated as worthless and begin to act like worthless people, so you get domestic violence, alcohol abuse and family breakdown.

"It was a shock to the media that Shannon's step-father worked. In fact, most people on these estates work; it's just that they are very badly paid. The idea that people choose to live these lives, choose to live on benefits and would in any circumstances, is ridiculous. Of course they would change their lives if they could."

The above is quoted from The Telegraph not usually known for 'left-wing' sentiments.

Subject: RE: BS: Shannon found- alive!
From: GUEST,Guest
Date: 04 Apr 08 - 01:33 PM

Benefit scroungers the lot of them. Not a single member of the family circle work for a living.

Subject: RE: BS: Shannon found- alive!
From: GUEST,Guest
Date: 04 Apr 08 - 12:32 PM

Another sensible comment by "theleveller" poor soul. Seems a troubled person, more to be pitied than laughed at.

Subject: RE: BS: Shannon found- alive!
From: GUEST,Neovo
Date: 04 Apr 08 - 11:17 AM

It has just been announced that the police have arrested two women in connection with this case. One for assisting an offender and another for perverting the course of justice. This plot thickens by the day!

Subject: RE: BS: Shannon found- alive!
From: theleveller
Date: 04 Apr 08 - 08:19 AM

"So do you still think she would be better living at home?"

As usual, you're judging the issue based on your own ill-informed prejudices and sensational headlines in the papers.

Surely, the decision should rest on whether her stepfather, or any other family member, has abused Sharron in the past and whether he is likely to do so in the future. As I can't answer either of these, I'll let those who are better informed make the decision. Perhaps you should do the same and stop spouting your vitriolic crap.

Oh, and GG, when did you stop beating your wife/husband?

Subject: RE: BS: Shannon found- alive!
From: Bryn Pugh
Date: 04 Apr 08 - 03:44 AM

My thoughts entirely, Richard. My beloved commented when the news of Shannon's finding broke : 'We're only getting half a story, there'.

Subject: RE: BS: Shannon found- alive!
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 03 Apr 08 - 07:06 PM

My late wife Jacqui was a social worker. Every time you take a kid into care you do damage. The question is whether that is more damage than the damage probably/possibly done by leaving the kid at home.

Part of the trouble with deciding is that "indecent images of children" is such a wide net. A boy of 2, a girl of 15, a boy of 15 getting lucky (I'd have prayed for that at the age of 15) or even in some US states a person under 18 or I think 21. And in any event does not prove a likely threat of interference with Shannon (although I had my suspicions from some time ago that Shannon might have been being resued rahter than abducted).

Subject: RE: BS: Shannon found- alive!
From: GUEST,Guest
Date: 03 Apr 08 - 03:38 PM

"I know what her answer would be "
Why is it better to live in a home environment despite the circumstances ?

She is better in care than living with a family of half wits.

Tell me honesty, would you allow your child to stay in that house with that family for a weekend ?

Honest answer please.

Subject: RE: BS: Shannon found- alive!
From: GUEST,leeneia
Date: 03 Apr 08 - 02:08 PM

Good thoughts, Emma B. It's nice to hear from someone who has a little warmth in her heart for Shannon as a person and a child.

Subject: RE: BS: Shannon found- alive!
From: Emma B
Date: 03 Apr 08 - 01:59 PM

That's a decision for a court to make guest.

I recently spent some time with a younger friend who had been brought up in foster care after her father abandoned the family and her mother couldn't cope.
I know what her answer would be - but each case is different.

Remember that Shannon is currently in the care of the local authority with her mother's permission who hasn't been charged with any offence as far as I'm aware.

These decisions are not easy or taken lightly as past posts on 'evil social workers who remove children from families' will demonstrate - 'damned if you do, damned if you don't!'

Subject: RE: BS: Shannon found- alive!
From: GUEST,Guest
Date: 03 Apr 08 - 01:49 PM

The stepfather of Shannon Matthews, who was missing for three weeks, has been remanded in custody over charges of possessing indecent images of children.

Craig Meehan, 22, of Dewsbury, West Yorkshire, was arrested at the family home on Wednesday and appeared before the town's magistrates on Thursday.

After her partner's arrest, Shannon's mother, Karen Matthews, was allowed a meeting with her daughter, although the schoolgirl remains in the care of Kirklees Social Services.

So do you still think she would be better living at home ?

Subject: RE: BS: Shannon found- alive!
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 20 Mar 08 - 05:57 PM

"'I think there is much more here than we have been told." There is always more than we have told and time the press gets into gear.

Even when we appear to have been told an awful lot, there is virtually always a process of selection and editing going on to make the story fit into a predetermined shape.

Subject: RE: BS: Shannon found- alive!
From: theleveller
Date: 20 Mar 08 - 04:30 PM

'I think there is much more here than we have been told. This family are going to be rewarded by magazines, sleazy tabloids, worldwide tv interviews, morning telly, Richard and Judy... need I go on?'

Oh, so it's perfectly OK for so-called celebrities to get a fortune to talk about their sordid, drug-addled lives but not for a woman without a penny to scratch her arse to take advantage of what's being offered and maybe give herself and her family a bit of a treat for once in their lives.

Talk about double standards!

Subject: RE: BS: Shannon found- alive!
From: the lemonade lady
Date: 20 Mar 08 - 03:05 PM

'I think there is much more here than we have been told. This family are going to be rewarded by magazines, sleazy tabloids, worldwide tv interviews, morning telly, Richard and Judy... need I go on?'


well I was wondering this too.


Sal (not spending all night infront of the pc)

Subject: RE: BS: Shannon found- alive!
From: theleveller
Date: 20 Mar 08 - 11:33 AM

"Wow, we are dealing with a tough nut here chaps. Handbags at twelve paces. "

Hmmm. I'm afraid it's the way I look - think Uncle Fester with scars. Actually, I'm a pussy cat.

Subject: RE: BS: Shannon found- alive!
From: GUEST,Harris Glenn Milstead
Date: 20 Mar 08 - 05:35 AM

Hi Richard my old friend hope all is well. Have a wonderful Easter.

Subject: RE: BS: Shannon found- alive!
From: GUEST,guest
Date: 20 Mar 08 - 05:20 AM

"he saw I meant business" Wow, we are dealing with a tough nut here chaps. Handbags at twelve paces.

Subject: RE: BS: Shannon found- alive!
From: theleveller
Date: 20 Mar 08 - 04:43 AM

Richard, sorry for the misunderstanding - I appreciate your definition of 'underclass'.

And to those who have such a 'downer' on them let me say this:

How we see things and judge people is, of course, influenced by our inbuilt prejudices.

For instance, if I talk about a bunch of drunken, abusive layabouts who don't work, take drugs and smash up bars and clubs, who do you think I mean? A gang of chavs from a sink estate? Or some over-privileged sloanies from wealthy, titled or even royal families on a typical evening out?

Think carefully before you answer – you will be exposing your prejudices.

This was brought home to me the other evening on the train back from work. The only seat was opposite a young lad of around 16 or 17 in full chav gear, slugging lager and with his feet on the seat. I told him to move his feet so I could sit down and after giving me an 'old fashioned' look, he did. As the train started, he pulled out a fag and started to light it. I told him to put it away and, after giving me a load of abuse, he saw I meant business and put it behind his ear. A little later he pulled out a pack of syringe needles and started to push them into himself, first his hands, then his thigh, then his cheeks. People on the train were getting a little upset at this stage so I leaned over to the lad, put my hand on his shoulder and quietly asked him if he was OK. He looked up at me and there were tears in his eyes and he explained that he got very stressed and pain of the needles helped him to relax. So, what I first thought was just a lout who should be locked up, turned out to be a very disturbed young man who desperately needed help. I see him on the train from time to time and he comes up and has a chat to me. He's not a bad lad, just one with big problems that he finds hard to deal with – and the only help he'd received was a pack of sterile needles.

Oh, and if you think living on benefits is easy, just you try bringing up a family of four on £86 a week, or whatever it is these days.

And, guest, if you think I'm a saint. what the f**k does that make you?

Subject: RE: BS: Shannon found- alive!
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 19 Mar 08 - 11:08 PM

It just came to me! I know where I've seen that ranting before, Uggie! You're David Hannam with a new handle, aren't you?

Subject: RE: BS: Shannon found- alive!
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 19 Mar 08 - 11:06 PM

Oh, you're not Gigi or GiGi, sort of UgUg?

Proud to be part of the secret police? Can you find Romania on the map?

Why don't you try surviving on benefits before you say it's easy? I know of one chap, disabled (yes, he really is, close to wheelchairbound) who despite an upper second in Philosophy seems unable to balance his budgets. I sort of get a feeling you might not have a dgree in philosophy, Uggie. You certainly don't seem to have read the facts about underclass survival.

Subject: RE: BS: Shannon found- alive!
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 19 Mar 08 - 09:46 PM

That one the same as "Guest, Guest", or the same as the American "Guest, guest"? I suspect it's the former. Silly game to play.

Subject: RE: BS: Shannon found- alive!
From: GUEST,guest
Date: 19 Mar 08 - 09:37 PM

Keep flying your red flag comrade.