BS: NHL: help on hockey stick rules

Subject: BS: NHL: help on hockey stick rules
From: GUEST,Texas Guest
Date: 22 Mar 08 - 04:59 PM

Hey folks, just watching a hockey game here and one of the players lost his stick in the middle of a play and the announcer stated that the player was now in "no man's land" because he could not go and get another stick. Can someone please enlighten me as to what the rule is when a player loses his stick? Why can't he go get another one? Can he go retrieve the one that got away? Thanks a bunch. Cheers.

Subject: RE: BS: NHL: help on hockey stick rules
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 22 Mar 08 - 07:17 PM

For safety reasons, he cannot use a stick that has broken. Otherwise, if he simply dropped it the rules allow him to go pick it up or to get another from the bench.

The only reason I can think of that he might be in such a "no man's land." I have seen game situations like this. Is if his team did not have the puck and the play is in their end and if he would have to leave an opposition play uncovered to go get a stick.

In other words, the tactical situation and not the rules might be what is putting him in that situation.

Subject: RE: BS: NHL: help on hockey stick rules
From: GUEST,Texas Guest
Date: 22 Mar 08 - 08:37 PM

Thanks Jack The Sailor, much appreciated. Cheers.

Subject: RE: BS: NHL: help on hockey stick rules
From: Mooh
Date: 23 Mar 08 - 06:34 AM

The new aluminum (or whatever) sticks break like twigs compared to the old wood ones, and causes such "no man's land" situations all the time. I don't like it. One of these days someone will be seriously hurt by flying stick debris.

Peace, Mooh.

Subject: RE: BS: NHL: help on hockey stick rules
From: gnu
Date: 23 Mar 08 - 09:20 AM

Metal? Blasphemy!

Subject: RE: BS: NHL: help on hockey stick rules
From: wysiwyg
Date: 23 Mar 08 - 12:25 PM

Source: http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_is_a_hockey_stick_made

Answers from various contributors:

One-piece sticks are made by wrapping carbon fiber or other light weight but durable materials around a pattern and then baked and removed.

I haven't seen a ONE PIECE wooden stick in about 50 years.

Modern hockey sticks are made of TWO pieces, the shaft and the blade. There is a joint at the heel of the stick where the shaft and the blade are joined together.

Nowadays, metal shafts are used, as are carbon fibre shafts. The shaft is slightly rounded on it's edges and cames in a number of different thicknesses, and weights, depending on the makers' design. Professional hockey players have their sticks made just for them, and to their specs.

A few players still use completely wooden sticks but the vast majority use metal or carbon fibre combination sticks, for their light weight and their ability to "flex" as they are being shot. The stick "bends" as the player is shooting the puck so the speed is increased. The curve of the blade is also important to puck speed, and passing accuracy. Many sticks have a quite pronounced curve in the blade, but the rules control how "much stick curve is legal".

The rule of thumb about stick length is this............. while the player is wearing skates, the end of the shaft should come to just under the chin, holding the stick blade on it's point end on the ground. The angle of the stick blade is expressed by a number code, which is stamped on the shaft.

Some players use no tape on their blades, while others use a lot of tape. The colour of the tape is a matter of choice, with some preffering white tape while others like black tape. Tape has a certain amount of stickyness to it, and it also helps to cushion the puck when accepting a pass. The butt end of the stick has to have a protective rubber end on it, as a safety measure.

Players have to DROP a stick if it breaks during play. It is a 2 minute penalty to play with a broken stick. The team trainer keeps a complete selection of team sticks on the wall behind the bench, in numerical order, If a player breaks a stick, he heads to the bench to get a new one, "on the fly" as the play will not stop for him. Generally, if a stick is broken and the player cannot get back to the bench to get a new one, a stick will be handed down the line: a goalie's stick would be replaced by a defenseman's, whose stick would be replaced by a forward's.

Goalies' sticks are the only ones that are still all wood. They like the way the wood feels and handles. Goalies are also the only players who may play with a broken stick, but must replace it at the next stoppage of play. Because they are thicker sticks and do not have as much activity, they break much less often than skaters' sticks.

EDIT: Goalie's sticks are now being made from carbon fiber as well. I am not sure of how many NHL goalies use them, but in my men's league there are abundant.

Wooden hockey sticks are and were made from ASH, and Poplar. Both are strong but light and have a long straight grain in the wood.

Currently, here in Canada, about 75 percent of all hockey sticks are still made of wood. An avearge retail price of a good wooden hockey stick is about $20 CDN. A high end composite material stick would cost about $50CDN, and a metal stick goes for over $100. CDN.

Fiberglass
Fiberglass is used as re-inforcement for sticks, but not as the sole material in a stick. Fiberglass material is made like a cloth, so it would not be possible to build stick out of it, it would be too flimsy.

... EASTONS were first made with an Aluminum shaft and a wood blade that would be a 2 piece hockey stick... so basically a wood stick is a one piece... to make it easy.

A one piece hockey stick is either made of carbon fiber, graphite or wood.

RULES: www.nhl.com/rules/index.html

~S~

Subject: RE: BS: NHL: help on hockey stick rules
From: GUEST,Jack the Sailor
Date: 23 Mar 08 - 12:44 PM

That guy got a lot of things right but he must have been exaggerating about the the last time he saw a one piece stick. I am younger than 50 and when I played hockey growing up the only two piece sticks had plastic blades for street hockey. I don't know how long the current two piece ones have been around but my guess would be twenty yeas or less.

It may be worthy of note that the current two pice sticks are probably a little greener. Now when you break your blade, you don't have to trash the whole stick. I guess that also must mean that kids don't get broken sticks for souvenirs as much anymore.

Subject: RE: BS: NHL: help on hockey stick rules
From: gnu
Date: 23 Mar 08 - 01:48 PM

I still have a half dozen sticks in my garage. Since I blew out my knees when I was about 25, I have only stood in my driveway and slapped a tennis ball (ya poke a hole in it to deaden the bounce) or a sponge puck against the fireplace. Of course, I still wear my #4 jersey and bend over at the faceoff inside the Boston blueline and look Bobby Orr in the eyes and say, "I am gonna put dat puck in dat net before you can dee Jean Belliveau... he shoots, he scores!"

If I am feelin real frisky, I "skate", in slow motion, and say, "Around his own net now, around the wing, picking up speed, over centre, splits the defence, he shoots, he scores! Yvan Cornee... Cornwhyer... Cor... what a deke!" I miss Foster Hewitt.

Subject: RE: BS: NHL: help on hockey stick rules
From: Rapparee
Date: 23 Mar 08 - 07:06 PM

Well, I don't think you're allowed to hit someone in the head with one.

Does that help any?

Subject: RE: BS: NHL: help on hockey stick rules
From: GUEST,Jack the Sailor
Date: 23 Mar 08 - 07:27 PM

We used to use the red white and blue sponge rubber balls. I got hit with a very one while playing goal in a pick up game. The result was me doubled over on the ground for a minute or two and a big round wet spot on my pants. Even at ten years old, it made me see the benefit of wearing a cup. We spent a lot of time and effort trying to find a ball that was heavy enough but not too heavy which didn't bounce too much. Tennis balls were useless, the bouncing was bad but the with our rough play and hard A while after that the orange street hockey balls came out. they

Bob Cole was the quiz master the year I was on "Reach for the Top." A couple of years later He moved from St. John's to Toronto to do Hockey Play By Play full time. he still does a great job.

I didn't like Danny Gallivan when did the Montreal Games. He was too much of a homer. It sounded like he was peeing like a puppy every time one of the Hab's stars touched the puck.

Subject: RE: BS: NHL: help on hockey stick rules
From: gnu
Date: 23 Mar 08 - 08:46 PM

Hahahahaha... peeing like a pup... I haven't heard that since I was a lad!!!! hehehehe.

What? Tennis balls were perfect! Ya jut had ta shove a nail in em ta take out the bounce. And, then wear the fuzz off em... two or three good games after school when the street was all pave and the temperature was minus holy puck!

Subject: RE: BS: NHL: help on hockey stick rules
From: GUEST,Jack the Sailor
Date: 23 Mar 08 - 10:18 PM

Like I said, we played rough. We were more for the run and dump and fight it out in the corners than we were for the pretty passes. I guess we were a bit ahead of our time ;-). A tennis ball wouldn't last an hour before it split.

Subject: RE: BS: NHL: help on hockey stick rules
From: gnu
Date: 24 Mar 08 - 06:43 AM

Oh yeah? Wellll, I forgot to mention that after we poked em with a nail, we soaked em until they were waterlogged and then let em freeze solid. We was tough. We played with frozen balls!

Subject: RE: BS: NHL: help on hockey stick rules
From: GUEST,guy
Date: 02 Nov 08 - 08:10 PM

Carbon fibre sticks are so much better then old wooden sticks. you leave a wooden stick in the garage over the summer they get dried out and then snap when you get out on the ice for the first time. I have had that happen to me a whole bunch of times, so i went compo instead. Also if you get a little chip in a wood one its not long before it breaks, my nike Bauer 190 has chips all through it and has lasted me 3 years now.

Subject: RE: BS: NHL: help on hockey stick rules
From: Sandy Mc Lean
Date: 02 Nov 08 - 08:30 PM

Two piece wooden sticks go back many years, the blade being joined to the shaft at the heel by an overlapped glued joint.
I go back before tennis balls as well when a frozen lump of horseshit filled the bill.

Subject: RE: BS: NHL: help on hockey stick rules
From: bankley
Date: 02 Nov 08 - 08:35 PM

grandpa used a curved branch like a hurling stick with an ample supply of frozen horse berries for pucks.... old newspapers for pads, strap-on skates and a frozen pond....
rural Canada in the late 1800's...

Subject: RE: BS: NHL: help on hockey stick rules
From: Cluin
Date: 03 Nov 08 - 03:31 AM

Nothing like a frozen horse turd in the face to make you feel all warm and fuzzy for the good ol' days.

Subject: RE: BS: NHL: help on hockey stick rules
From: bankley
Date: 03 Nov 08 - 08:45 AM

for sure, and if you really want rough, how about Lacrosse as played by Iroquois warriors in the 1600's... maybe when they played it on ice, someone would get slashed and yell 'O Kee', which means 'that fookin' hurts'... and sounds a lot like 'Hock-ee'

Subject: RE: BS: NHL: help on hockey stick rules
From: wysiwyg
Date: 03 Nov 08 - 09:20 AM

The Pens equipt mgr has been touring the TV people thru the equipt "room," showing the wealth if historic used "gear" that's been saved in their vaults. Those broken sticks-- the blades are all sitting in bins, each one dutifully marked with whose it was and what goal it scored/assisted. (They had three vaults of old stuff PLUS the rooms for new stock-- a warehouse-sized department, all called the Equipment Room!)

~S~

Subject: RE: BS: NHL: help on hockey stick rules
From: Cluin
Date: 03 Nov 08 - 10:06 AM

Did they have a collection of old teeth in there too?

Subject: RE: BS: NHL: help on hockey stick rules
From: wysiwyg
Date: 03 Nov 08 - 10:34 AM

Next installment due soon, and I'll let you know! Maybe they do! :~)

Maybe Crosby's first chin hairs, too, LOL. Rookies abound, as you know..... An undescended testicle over here, a zit over there.... :~) Here's the crap we took outta that one goalie-kid's shorts......

BAD Cluin!!!! BAD,BAD, BAAAAAD! (thanks, friend, needed that)

~S~

Subject: RE: BS: NHL: help on hockey stick rules
From: Cluin
Date: 03 Nov 08 - 05:16 PM

Sid the Kid's jimjams.

Subject: RE: BS: NHL: help on hockey stick rules
From: wysiwyg
Date: 03 Nov 08 - 10:03 PM

Fleury's teddy bear. "Help me, Mr. Tedeee (Frech Canuckian accent), please! The pucks they are coming so fast!"

Gary Roberts' blender. Ruutu's used butt plugs.

~S~

Subject: RE: BS: NHL: help on hockey stick rules
From: Cluin
Date: 03 Nov 08 - 10:23 PM

Bobby Clarke's bloody jersey.

Bobby Orr's kneecap.

Lanny McDonald's moustache.

Phil Esposito's soul. (local reference)

Subject: RE: BS: NHL: help on hockey stick rules
From: wysiwyg
Date: 04 Nov 08 - 08:25 AM

LOL. Mario Lemieux's facila-waxing tear-strips.

Dan Potash's empty Enzyte wrappers (local sports gofer).

~S~

Subject: RE: BS: NHL: help on hockey stick rules
From: wysiwyg
Date: 08 Nov 08 - 10:05 PM

refresh?

~S~

Subject: RE: BS: NHL: help on hockey stick rules
From: GUEST,number 6
Date: 08 Nov 08 - 11:07 PM

Phil Esposito's toupee.

biLL

Subject: RE: BS: NHL: help on hockey stick rules
From: Barry Finn
Date: 09 Nov 08 - 02:39 AM

"Hey folks, just watching a hockey game here and one of the players lost his stick in the middle of a play and the announcer stated that the player was now in "no man's land" because he could not go and get another stick. Can someone please enlighten me as to what the rule is when a player loses his stick? Why can't he go get another one? Can he go retrieve the one that got away?"

Ask Sara P, it's probably the only thing she does know.

Barry

Subject: RE: BS: NHL: help on hockey stick rules
From: gnu
Date: 09 Nov 08 - 01:31 PM

Check out the goal at 2:17 in this video... that is some kinda stick handling!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GTcu6rEOCws&feature=related

or

Goals

Subject: RE: BS: NHL: help on hockey stick rules
From: Cluin
Date: 09 Nov 08 - 11:43 PM

Bit of a sticky wicket, what?

Subject: RE: BS: NHL: help on hockey stick rules
From: bobad
Date: 06 Jan 09 - 10:35 AM

A player can pick his stick up if he drops it, that happens all the time.

Subject: RE: BS: NHL: help on hockey stick rules
From: 3refs
Date: 09 May 09 - 01:24 AM

"No man's land" is anywhere on the ice that puts you too far away from your player's bench, to retrieve another stick.

Players(goalies included-rule change)cannot use a broken stick...period!

Your stick does not have to be broken to get another one from your bench or a teammate(if you should loose yours).

A player can pick up and hand you your stick back, but he/she can't slide/shoot it to you.

You cannot take part in the game in any way, shape or form while carrying two sticks.

You cannot give your teammate your stick if you are in the penalty box.(watch the shit hit the fan when one of your linesman comes over and tells you that the player who just scored that goal, got his stick from the guy in the penalty box and the score isn't tied now and no your goal doesn't count and get in the box and I've let you call me an asshole twice now coach...one more word and you'll get a hot shower for a change and 3000 people telling you where to dig for your brains)

You cannot pick up and play with an opponents stick.

You cannot interfere with an opponents stick while it is laying on the ice.

A goalie can play with a skaters stick, but a skater cannot play with a goalie stick.

You cannot throw a stick to a teammate from the players bench.

That's most of the more common stick infractions. Minor penelty for most, but in some cases two penelties.

And I hope you'll all know I'm talking about hockey sticks!

Subject: RE: BS: NHL: help on hockey stick rules
From: wysiwyg
Date: 09 May 09 - 10:35 AM

This is an example of how an on-ice official like 3refs can clarify what is sometimes spread across a billion or two individual rules scattered thruout any league's rule book.... The average rule book does not usually allow for database user sorting such as "all rules pertaining to sticks" one moment and "all rules pertaining to penalty boxes" the next. Anyone who has ever written a rule book, policy manual, or FAQ will relate to the challenge! :~)

One last question-- is it allowed to plant a stick up an opponent's.....

~Susan

Subject: RE: BS: NHL: help on hockey stick rules
From: gnu
Date: 09 May 09 - 11:22 AM

Depends.

Subject: RE: BS: NHL: help on hockey stick rules
From: wysiwyg
Date: 09 May 09 - 02:13 PM

[snerkgigglegurgle]

~S~

Subject: RE: BS: NHL: help on hockey stick rules
From: gnu
Date: 09 May 09 - 02:56 PM

It would have to be done away from the refs' eyes... behind the play eh? Well behind.

Sorry... I can't help myself... nobody can.

Subject: RE: BS: NHL: help on hockey stick rules
From: Peace
Date: 09 May 09 - 03:02 PM

"We played with frozen balls!"

Musta hurt like hell when you thawed them out after a game, huh?

Subject: RE: BS: NHL: help on hockey stick rules
From: gnu
Date: 09 May 09 - 03:15 PM

Nah... we left our balls outside in the frozen north. Mum woulda been pissed if weeda let our balls leak on the floor.

Subject: RE: BS: NHL: help on hockey stick rules
From: GUEST,Peace
Date: 09 May 09 - 03:22 PM

G'damned tough out there in the Maritimes.

Subject: RE: BS: NHL: help on hockey stick rules
From: gnu
Date: 09 May 09 - 03:29 PM

Hahahaha... "Tough times in The Maritimes"... now, where have I heard that one?

Subject: RE: BS: NHL: help on hockey stick rules
From: gnu
Date: 09 May 09 - 03:39 PM

Besides, we couldn't afford fancy equipment like cups. But we still had to stop the puck first and worry about the pain later. We made do.

The Sears catalogue was for shin pads first on accounta you GOTTA be able to skate, right, eh? But not everyone got the Sears. We had to share, and sometimes, there weren't enough pages to cover everyone or everyting. Not to mention that the ladies underwear section of the catalogue never saw a hockey game. Did see a few.... nevermind.

Subject: RE: BS: NHL: help on hockey stick rules
From: Nick E
Date: 09 May 09 - 05:12 PM

One minor quibble on the wiki answers quote, the knob on the end of the stick is not a safety percaution, that end of the stick is blunt, the knob just makes it easier to hold onto the stick with one hand.

Subject: RE: BS: NHL: help on hockey stick rules
From: gnu
Date: 09 May 09 - 05:23 PM

Ahhhhh... hmmm... nahhh... nevermind.

Subject: RE: BS: NHL: help on hockey stick rules
From: 3refs
Date: 09 May 09 - 05:32 PM

Rule 3.3
...........The end of the shaft of all sticks must be covered to protect against injury. In the case of hollowed shaft sticks, the end of shaft must have a protective cap as well as being covered to protect against injury.

Subject: RE: BS: NHL: help on hockey stick rules
From: Peace
Date: 09 May 09 - 05:40 PM

". . . the knob just makes it easier to hold onto the stick with one hand."

I am biting my tongue . . . .



Lest any people unfamiliar with hockey misunderstand, simply ask Gnu to explain the game to you.

Subject: RE: BS: NHL: help on hockey stick rules
From: Peace
Date: 09 May 09 - 05:41 PM

A basic rule with the stick is "don't get caught hitting anyone with it", with heavy emphasis on 'get caught'.

Subject: RE: BS: NHL: help on hockey stick rules
From: 3refs
Date: 09 May 09 - 05:47 PM

"One last question-- is it allowed to plant a stick up an opponent's....."

Butt Ending/Spearing....Match Penalty. Well, they get extra, super special considerations. I'm pissed, because now I have to document the infraction on the game sheet well enough to use as a reference in court! These type penalties also require a "carpet call". That's when you stand up before the league and pray you don't get it in the ass too bad! Then after you sit for 6+ games, eventually someone/everyone from the team of the guy you butt ended is going to take...liberties, and in my game just might get away with some of it!!!

Subject: RE: BS: NHL: help on hockey stick rules
From: gnu
Date: 09 May 09 - 06:28 PM

Spearing is a match? I thought it was 5 in the box? I guess I had better read up on rule changes.... if it was a change??? Or, am I thinking about... sigh... been near fourty years since I read the rules.

So... Butt Ending/Spearing? I can't recall the difference.

I used to love to get in the corner and fake a shoulder/elbow and instantly slide my upper hand down the stick... make opponents think I was spearing and take their concentration long enough to get the puck, with extra torque on the stick.

Oh... is that thread drift?

Subject: RE: BS: NHL: help on hockey stick rules
From: 3refs
Date: 09 May 09 - 07:25 PM

"So... Butt Ending/Spearing? I can't recall the difference"

Butt with the butt, spear with the blade!

Subject: RE: BS: NHL: help on hockey stick rules
From: gnu
Date: 09 May 09 - 07:41 PM

No! Really? It was always called spearing when I was a lad. The butt, I mean. If you EVER used the blade, it was called, "You are a f***in dead man!" No need for a ref... call an ambulance.