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Folklore: Sami singing style of Norway

My guru always said 10 Apr 08 - 05:30 PM
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Subject: Folklore: Sami singing style of Norway
From: My guru always said
Date: 10 Apr 08 - 05:30 PM

I was watching the 'Natural World - Reindeer Girls' program on BBC2 last night and heard the most wonderful singing style which they called 'Yoiking'. I don't know how to spell it but that's how it sounded to me. They described it as a tradition of singing their joy out & it sounded beautiful!

Did anyone else see the program and if so, were you as delighted as I was to hear the Sami singing?

ps. There should be an accent over the 'a' in Sami, but I don't know how to do that, sorry!


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Subject: RE: Folklore: Sami singing style of Norway
From: The Vulgar Boatman
Date: 10 Apr 08 - 05:48 PM

I think it's "jojk". Heard it on a programme with Ray Mears - absolutely magical.


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Subject: RE: Folklore: Sami singing style of Norway
From: GUEST,The Mole Catcher's unplugged Apprentice
Date: 10 Apr 08 - 06:11 PM

These might be of interest.

The Yoik Archive Project

Jojk

the second website is in Saami only but there are a couple of videos to watch

Charlotte R


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Subject: RE: Folklore: Sami singing style of Norway
From: GUEST,open mike
Date: 10 Apr 08 - 07:27 PM

There is a magazine called Baiki
in California, which has info.
try www.baiki.org

Also there are a couople of
musicians who sing Joiks: Wimme Saari, (pronounced Vee May )
(Wimme) (who records on www.noside.com)
and Mary Boine (www.fortunecity.com/millennium/lilac/3/boine.htm)
would be two to check.

The "old" Term for these northern people was Lapplanders,
but the preferred name now is Saami.

also see: "sami people" on Wikipedia


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Subject: RE: Folklore: Sami singing style of Norway
From: Bearheart
Date: 10 Apr 08 - 11:31 PM

Nils-Aslak Valkeapaa who died a few years back was a well-known Sami poet and singer. He sang joik at the Olympic Games in Norway.

From Wiki:
Nils-Aslak Valkeapää, known as Áillohaš in the Sami language (March 23, 1943 - November 26, 2001) was a Sami writer, musician and artist of Finnish citizenship born in Enontekiö in the Finnish part of Lapland. Significant portions of his life he lived in Käsivarsi, close to the border to Sweden, and also in Skibotn in Norway. It is sometimes said that Valkeapää is the Sami person who is most well known internationally. Valkeapää was born in a family of the traditional trade of herding reindeer, but was trained as a school teacher.

The traditional sami singing joik was important in his art, in music as well as in painting and in writing. The joik also was the first genre he got recognised in. During the 1960s, young Sami searched for their cultural roots and Valkeapää was one of the most prominent persons as a joiker. His first recording, Jojkuja from 1968 contained modernised joik. Valkeapeää wrote the music to the motion picture Ofelaš, internationally known as The Pathfinder 1987, that was directed by Nils Gaup. He performed at the opening ceremony of the 1994 Winter Olympic Games in Lillehammer, Norway.

As a writer, he mainly wrote in Sami and was translated to Finnish, the Nordic languages as well as to other languages. He is particularly well known in Norway. The first thing he published, was a political pamphlet. He eventually published eight collections of poems. One of the more well known is Beaivi áhčážan that has been translated to English titled The Sun, My Father.

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I love Mari Boine, she has done several good albums (Gula Gula is a favorite). Not totally traditional since she plays an African drum.Google "joik" and you will get some hits.


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Subject: RE: Folklore: Sami singing style of Norway
From: katlaughing
Date: 11 Apr 08 - 12:25 AM

Bearheart, do you mean This Woman?. I wasn't sure because of the last name on the video. Ah, just found THIs Video which tells me it is the same artist you'd mentioned.

Thanks for a great thread!


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Subject: RE: Folklore: Sami singing style of Norway
From: katlaughing
Date: 11 Apr 08 - 12:31 AM

There's also a six-part docu on youtube of the Last Yoik in Saami Forests, done for the U.N.


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Subject: RE: Folklore: Sami singing style of Norway
From: AKS
Date: 11 Apr 08 - 02:53 AM

Have a go with this one as well: Angelit (former Angelin tytöt lasses of Angeli, which is a village in Inari, Finnish Lapland).

AKS


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Subject: RE: Folklore: Sami singing style of Norway
From: GUEST,PMB
Date: 11 Apr 08 - 03:18 AM

I have friends in Sapmi (Lappland), sadly not singers. But their aunt Berit Nordland produced a wonderful CD of joik back in the 80s, which I have- sadly it seems impossible to get now.

You don't sing a joik- you joik a person, animal, place, weather etc. A person's joik is a very private thing- it's the height of bad manners to misuse it, e.g. to sing it in public without (at least tacit) permission. The songs consist largely of mouth music- the "I'll oil loyal lawyer's alloy loy" bits- but the few words can be very pithy. One joik my friends told me about simply said "Per who sits on the shingle". His wife had drowned in the river; for the rest of his life, he would spend hours near the spot, grieving.


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Subject: RE: Folklore: Sami singing style of Norway
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 11 Apr 08 - 08:00 AM

The mother sang a song by a window waiting for better weather.
It was hauntingly lovely, and reminded me of Gallic song of the Scottish Islands.
I was also impressed that these stunningly beautiful and healthy folks ate nothing but reindeer meat and the odd fish.
No fruit and veg at all.
5 a day?


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Subject: RE: Folklore: Sami singing style of Norway
From: davyr
Date: 11 Apr 08 - 09:58 AM

They do get *some* veg, apparently:

"food n. The Sami diet is simple and healthy. It consists of fish caught in lakes, rivers and the ocean, reindeer meat that is dried in the sun, smoked, or cooked in a stew with potatoes, and cloudberries and mushrooms gathered from the forests and bogs. Shredded carrots, sliced peppers amd bok choy often accompany a Sami meal as do bread, cheese and coffee."

http://www.baiki.org/content/glossary.htm

Anyway, did you notice how they never said how old Granny was? She was probably only in her late 50s... ;-)


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Subject: RE: Folklore: Sami singing style of Norway
From: open mike
Date: 11 Apr 08 - 12:11 PM

The rein deer were very negatively effected by Chernobyl
as the moss they eat was polluted by the radioactive
plume. This caused the meat to be badly contaminated.
Such a blow to a culture that depends so heavily on it.

BAIKI blickie here
on the first page of the magazine web site there is a
link to Kautokeino Rebellion with music by the artist
I mentioned in my first post, Mari Boine

This Fellow,
Vimme
has taken joik to a new level.Northside Records Wimme link

the ad below is for Joik ringtones...would the Sami really want this?!


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Subject: RE: Folklore: Sami singing style of Norway
From: open mike
Date: 11 Apr 08 - 07:09 PM

This culture, music, population is not only in Norway, their land reaches across the borders of Norway, Sweden, Finland, and Russia.
They are working to maintain their autonomy despite national borders being drawn across and through their homeland.

"Báiki" [bah-h'kee] is the nomadic reindeer-herding society's word for cultural identity and survival, "the home that lives in the heart."

About the Sami
The Sami (also spelled Saami) are the 100,000 Indigenous inhabitants
of Norway, Sweden, Finland and the Russian Kola Peninsula. Their history parallels that of other Indigenous circumpolar Peoples. After
a 500-year period of colonization by Norway and Sweden during which
the Sami nature religion, the Sami language, and the Sami joik were forbidden, the Sami people in the Nordic countries are experiencing
a rebirth of their ancestral belief system, language and cultural expressions. Concern for the environment has lead them to become
active in international Indigenous organizations including NGO (non-governmental organization) status in the UN.


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Subject: RE: Folklore: Sami singing style of Norway
From: My guru always said
Date: 12 Apr 08 - 04:40 AM

Thanks everyone for your links & info, it's been interesting reading, what a fascinating culture. I'll be figuring out which CD to try to get hold of, probably more along the traditional way than the modern for my taste. I can still hear the Mother's 'joik' at the window in my head, absolutely lovely. Maybe the personal nature of the 'joik' enhances the beauty of the sound?


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Subject: RE: Folklore: Sami singing style of Norway
From: Suegorgeous
Date: 12 Apr 08 - 09:40 PM

Anyone got a link to some actual sami singing?


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Subject: RE: Folklore: Sami singing style of Norway
From: Sorcha
Date: 12 Apr 08 - 11:55 PM

Interesting and informative site, but still no sound samples. It compares joik to the native American Indian chanting, sort of.


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Subject: RE: Folklore: Sami singing style of Norway
From: katlaughing
Date: 13 Apr 08 - 12:05 AM

Here is an interesting "introduction to Sami" culture by the government of Norway: CLICK HERE.

Guest, PMB, have you googled Berit Nordland? I got a lot of hits which at least reference to a CD. Might be worth looking around.

The picture is sideways, but THIS sounds real to me.

This one is interesting, too, imo: CLick.

This is REALLY interesting: CLick,again!.


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Subject: RE: Folklore: Sami singing style of Norway
From: katlaughing
Date: 13 Apr 08 - 12:12 AM

This has a really neat thing about the Sami language and dialects with some singing: Click Here. They have 300 words for describing snow and ice!:-)


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Subject: RE: Folklore: Sami singing style of Norway
From: My guru always said
Date: 13 Apr 08 - 04:54 AM

Suegorgeous, I went to this page which katlaughing liked to earlier. It's a youtube showing Maire Boine & the related video's are also of Sami singing. Fabulous!


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Subject: RE: Folklore: Sami singing style of Norway
From: GUEST,Nerd
Date: 13 Apr 08 - 03:09 PM

One of my favorite albums in the world is by Ulla Pirttijärvi, the artist profiled here.

The CD is "Ruossa Eanan / Russian Land (1998). Warner / Atrium 0630-19717-2."

Hard to describe, but joik with gentle folk/new age ambient sounds. Very contemplative and serene. I got it back when it came out (gulp, ten years ago!) and still listen to it regularly. Highly recommended, if you come across it!


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Subject: RE: Folklore: Sami singing style of Norway
From: bankley
Date: 13 Apr 08 - 03:48 PM

saw Vimme at the Vancouver Folk Fest. a few years ago. A character for sure.. Very different, fusion sounds... like Bjork with reindeer


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Subject: RE: Folklore: Sami singing style of Norway
From: Bearheart
Date: 17 Apr 08 - 03:57 PM

Hey Kat, sorry not to have responded sooner-- on the road and no internet access. Thanks for the links.

Yes-- that is Mari Boine, she wasn't using the other name for a while. It looks like there is a new CD out, I will have to look for it. Her more recent ones were pretty jazzy and I didn't care so much for the that, but the You Tube one sounds good.

PMB I stand corrected-- you are exactly right. Joiking is not like singing in the way we think of it all. In fact some Sami people treat it as a shamanic practice. a Sami I learned from calls it "spirit singing".
Enjoying this thread...


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Subject: RE: Folklore: Sami singing style of Norway
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 17 Apr 08 - 07:49 PM

They build The Icehotel every year in Swedish Lappland. I don't know whether they still also build the Ice Arena nearby, which featured performances by the local Sami people. The effects were created with stunning lighting and really good sound, and the performances were quite stirring and otherworldly - and performed entirely in the Sami language. I saw a performance of Macbeth, which featured Sami singing. Unlike any of the links here, some of the men were quite drone-like, reminding me of Tuvan throat singing, while other bits (by the women) were like banshees. Of course, I don't know how authentic it was as it was produced for tourists, but it was one of the more amazing experiences of my life.


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Subject: RE: Folklore: Sami singing style of Norway
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 17 Apr 08 - 08:12 PM

Oh - in case anyone has no idea what I'm on about:

Ice Hotel


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Subject: RE: Folklore: Sami singing style of Norway
From: open mike
Date: 17 Apr 08 - 10:48 PM

brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!


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Subject: RE: Folklore: Sami singing style of Norway
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 18 Apr 08 - 05:01 AM

It's warmer than it looks...

:)


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Subject: RE: Folklore: Sami singing style of Norway
From: open mike
Date: 12 Mar 09 - 06:29 PM

this thread might have some info in answer to the question posed in another thread regarding Norse yodelling...


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