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BS: I read it in the Daily Express

mandotim 17 Apr 08 - 04:14 AM
GUEST,PMB 17 Apr 08 - 04:45 AM
ard mhacha 17 Apr 08 - 05:15 AM
Emma B 17 Apr 08 - 06:28 AM
Emma B 17 Apr 08 - 07:38 AM
GUEST,PMB 17 Apr 08 - 08:05 AM
Stilly River Sage 17 Apr 08 - 08:44 AM
Liz the Squeak 17 Apr 08 - 09:02 AM
Billy Weeks 18 Apr 08 - 05:02 AM
Big Al Whittle 18 Apr 08 - 05:40 AM
Liz the Squeak 18 Apr 08 - 06:11 AM
GUEST,Jonny Sunshine 18 Apr 08 - 06:30 AM
GUEST,leeneia 19 Apr 08 - 12:29 AM
Billy Weeks 19 Apr 08 - 06:57 AM
Billy Weeks 19 Apr 08 - 07:00 AM
Terreblanche 19 Apr 08 - 02:47 PM
Big Al Whittle 19 Apr 08 - 04:16 PM
mandotim 20 Apr 08 - 04:17 AM
Liz the Squeak 20 Apr 08 - 08:34 AM
theleveller 20 Apr 08 - 09:32 AM
Mr Red 20 Apr 08 - 04:55 PM
GUEST,ifor 21 Apr 08 - 02:39 PM
IWTATBM 22 Apr 08 - 02:28 PM
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Subject: BS: I read it in the Daily Express
From: mandotim
Date: 17 Apr 08 - 04:14 AM

At least I think it was the Express this morning. A number of police forces have collaborated on a solid piece of research to establish whether there is any truth that increases in crime figures are caused by immigration from Eastern Europe. The conclusion was quite clear, based on sound statistical evidence (I'm an academic, and I've seen the study) that there is no evidence that immigrant communities are any more or less involved in crime than the indigenous population.

There was one dissenting voice; one Chief Constable, based on opinion and 'feelings' said that they 'thought there was a problem'.

The headline in the newspaper? Two inch headlines that proclaim 'IMMIGRANTS BRING MORE CRIME'.

Anybody still believe what they read in the papers?
Tim


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Subject: RE: BS: I read it in the Daily Express
From: GUEST,PMB
Date: 17 Apr 08 - 04:45 AM

That's why they call it the Deadly Excess. It's lost what little foaming credibility it had since it was bought by the pornographer Richard Desmond, and it was weaned off its recent obsession with Maddy McCann by being forced to pay a vast sum to avoid being skinned alive for libel; they simply made the stories up.

Desmond is no ideologue; he prints what he thinks will sell, and he thinks that wog- bashing will sell his rag. His instincts may well be false- the Excess has lost an eighth of its readershit in the last two years.


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Subject: RE: BS: I read it in the Daily Express
From: ard mhacha
Date: 17 Apr 08 - 05:15 AM

There are thousands of migrants here in the north of Ireland, if their crime rate was as high as the locals we would need to migrate to, Baghdad.


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Subject: RE: BS: I read it in the Daily Express
From: Emma B
Date: 17 Apr 08 - 06:28 AM

The ten things most likely to be on The Daily Express front page

sad but true :)


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Subject: RE: BS: I read it in the Daily Express
From: Emma B
Date: 17 Apr 08 - 07:38 AM

I apologize for the 'cut and paste' but, this paper delivered at the INCORE Race & Media conference
University of Ulster, 3 October 2007

'Portrayal and participation of minorities in the media'

by Mike Jempson
Director, The MediaWise Trust
Visiting Professor in Media Ethics, Lincoln University
Senior Lecturer, University of the West of England

sums up the very real menace of papers like The Express and the Mail

'Sensational stories may sell newspapers yet they have also managed to conflate issues the seeking of refuge from war and persecution, with economic migration and international terrorism. In the popular imagination Britain is now crawling with illegal immigrants falsely claiming to be persecuted minorities; and in their midst are criminal elements and people secretly conspiring to put everyone's life or way of life at risk.

Inaccurate coverage breaches the human rights of asylum-seekers and refugees, poisons public discourse, encourages xenophobia, racism and inappropriate political responses.

Yet when we went public about the errors in the 'Plot to kill Blair' story, and got the police to denounce it as 'rubbish', the Daily Express solicitors accused us of 'publicity seeking'. They also threatened another newspaper with legal action if they published details of another of our exposés of an erroneous story of a Slovakian Roma family.

There have been thousands of headlines like these – and many appeared in the Daily Express, acquired by a porn baron who discovered that its flagging sales improved when it ran anti-asylum headlines. Its own journalists – led by Michele Stanistreet, now president of the NUJ – took the paper to the PCC complaining that their copy was being skewed merely to make for such headlines. The regulator refused to take up the issue – not least because complaints have to be made by individuals directly affected by a story – and since few asylum seekers are named and fewer still complain, there is nothing they can do.'


I have seen some of these scare (some of the best known stories have turned out to be just plain wrong) headlines repeated here such as the infamous
SWAN BAKE
Asylum seekers steal the queen's birds for barbecues
ASYLUM GANG had 2 swans for roasting

a total fabrication!
but it seems only too easy to be repeated as 'gospel' here some 4/5 years later as an example of the danger and threat of a muticultural nation.


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Subject: RE: BS: I read it in the Daily Express
From: GUEST,PMB
Date: 17 Apr 08 - 08:05 AM

..the NUJ – took the paper to the PCC ... The regulator refused to take up the issue

Oh look, Peter Hill, editor of the Deadly Excess, is a member of the Press Complaints Commission!


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Subject: RE: BS: I read it in the Daily Express
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 17 Apr 08 - 08:44 AM

If this is a thread you're planning to maintain, I'll offer a suggestion early on--there was a regular spammer who routinely posted porn and viagra type ads on a thread I had running called "I read it in the Newspaper." Joe Offer finally closed it because it was such a magnet, and I started a new one with a different enough title that it (so far) hasn't been bothered. You may want to rethink the title of this one if you keep it going, or it could end up with the same idiot using it as a place to dump spam.

I enjoy the running commentary on what one sees in the newspapers, even the yellow journalism has it's place (if mostly on the bottom of the bird cage and lining litter boxes).

SRS


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Subject: RE: BS: I read it in the Daily Express
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 17 Apr 08 - 09:02 AM

Hypocrisy is rife in all our newspapers - that's why I refuse to pay for one.

However, I do pick up the 'Metro' - a free paper publised in major cities of the UK, but even they are not immune.

On the same day as Tesco (big BIG supermarket chain in the UK) announced it was supporting campaigns to stop underage and binge drinking, the Metro and TV ran adverts for Tesco's latest cut price bargain offer - buy two, get third free on ... yes, you guessed it, alcoholic beverages.

LTS


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Subject: RE: BS: I read it in the Daily Express
From: Billy Weeks
Date: 18 Apr 08 - 05:02 AM

Dear Liz

You can say this for Metro, that it's free and it doesn't actually give you MRSA. But, having said that, I think of the company it keeps. It is part of the Daily Mail and Evening Standard stable. The Standard is a particularly unprincipled propaganda machine. When the Thatcher government wanted to abolish the Greater London Council it had absolutely no democratic mandate to do so, but the Standard carefully prepared the ground for it. Practically every issue in the mid eighties contained stories designed to present the council and everything it did in a negative light, and that's to put it mildly. The Standard shovelled cartloads of shit into the fan.

A few years later, they noticed (oh, look!) that one of the world's greatest and most populous cities had been left with no democratically accountable governing body. It was clearly absurd to think that 33 separate authorities could act in the interests of London as a whole, so the Standard campaigned for a new Greater London authority. Another success for London's great evening paper!

Sadly, Londoners promptly forgot the great debt they owed to the Standard and elected the left-wing Ken Livingstone as mayor. The dear old Standard is now, true to form, again devoting its front pages to any story that will damage Livingstone in the forthcoming mayoral election.

Journalistic comment is, and should always be, free and the Standard should support whatever candidate it thinks best for London. But freedom carries with it responsibility. That's the bit that's been missing here


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Subject: RE: BS: I read it in the Daily Express
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 18 Apr 08 - 05:40 AM

The express it was that called George Joseph Smith a 'criminal genius'. Nothing changes.
http://bigalwhittle.co.uk/id22.html




Don't trust the tory press.


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Subject: RE: BS: I read it in the Daily Express
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 18 Apr 08 - 06:11 AM

Billy Weeks - and that's precisely why I a) don't pay for it, b) recycle it and c) don't believe a word of it.

Although it did say in my Metro horrorscope on Wednesday that I would be lucky and I was - I found a winning McDonald's McFlurry ticket so I'm off to get my free icecream next week.

LTS


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Subject: RE: BS: I read it in the Daily Express
From: GUEST,Jonny Sunshine
Date: 18 Apr 08 - 06:30 AM

Frankly I think the best way to deal with the blatant lies, rumour-mongering of such papers is not to fine them (it's just another expense for them) but to ban them from publication (like footballers are banned from playing for a while) That would give them the message.


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Subject: RE: BS: I read it in the Daily Express
From: GUEST,leeneia
Date: 19 Apr 08 - 12:29 AM

Thanks, Emma B., for the link to the 10 most popular Express headlines. I laughed out loud when I read this:

'It is designed to render a portion of the population completely helpless - cowering in the corner of their ever-more valuable house, stuffing their faces with a life-saving cocktail of chocolate, watercress, and aspirin...

What a combination!

What does 'swingeing' mean?


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Subject: RE: BS: I read it in the Daily Express
From: Billy Weeks
Date: 19 Apr 08 - 06:57 AM

I'm reminded by all this of Hannen Swaffer's definition of Freedom of the press in Britain which, he said, means 'the freedom to print such of the proprietor's prejudices as the advertisers don't object to'.

Swaffer, who died in 1962 was an influential(and entertaining)leftish journalist, regretted now only for his occasional racism. 'Occasional' in that sentence is not intended to dismiss such unpleasant lapses, but to indicate that, as a matter of fact, they were visible up only occasionally.

He lived in a flat facing Trafalgar Square which, he said, would give him a grandstand view when the revolution came.


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Subject: RE: BS: I read it in the Daily Express
From: Billy Weeks
Date: 19 Apr 08 - 07:00 AM

Delete 'up' in second para.


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Subject: RE: BS: I read it in the Daily Express
From: Terreblanche
Date: 19 Apr 08 - 02:47 PM

As an Express reader, I feel the figures hold water.


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Subject: RE: BS: I read it in the Daily Express
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 19 Apr 08 - 04:16 PM

What figures, two swans.....?


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Subject: RE: BS: I read it in the Daily Express
From: mandotim
Date: 20 Apr 08 - 04:17 AM

Which figures, Terreblanche? The ones obtained via a carefully designed and academically rigorous study with statistically valid sampling levels, or those obtained via the opinion of a single Chief Constable who had no accurate analysis of the situation, even in his own area? 'Feeling' that figures hold water is not the same as 'knowing', and should not be given the same credibility when reported.
Tim


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Subject: RE: BS: I read it in the Daily Express
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 20 Apr 08 - 08:34 AM

Buckets hold water... but not when full of people's heads.

Take the head out of the bucket first.

LTS


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Subject: RE: BS: I read it in the Daily Express
From: theleveller
Date: 20 Apr 08 - 09:32 AM

"As an Express reader, I feel the figures hold water."

So does a toilet.


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Subject: RE: BS: I read it in the Daily Express
From: Mr Red
Date: 20 Apr 08 - 04:55 PM

Methinks you are saying that that toilet (and the toilet paper - expressly) holds one or two other things.........

And the sewage farm is drenched in Sun?


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Subject: RE: BS: I read it in the Daily Express
From: GUEST,ifor
Date: 21 Apr 08 - 02:39 PM

Yeah the express really is a gross rag....its as if the local loudmouth bar room racist bigot is able to publish his grisly and grim world view each day.And then we realise that the multimillion pound publisher has a string of pornographic titles in his portfolio.


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Subject: RE: BS: I read it in the Daily Express
From: IWTATBM
Date: 22 Apr 08 - 02:28 PM

The Express is also known as the Daily Diana.


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Subject: RE: BS: I read it in the Daily Express
From: Amos
Date: 22 Apr 08 - 02:57 PM

IT is amazing what people who are notionally in the "transfer of information" business will resort to in extremes of intentionally promoting false world views. This is not just "business as usual" -- it is actually a betrayal of trust for money. You can call "Caveat Emptor" all day, but the core transaction is rotten, whether it is the Daily Mail or the US' National Enquirer. To promulgate falsehood intentionally, pretending it is a relay of news, is as deeply corrupt and treacherous, ethically, as Condi Rice lying to the Senate about "no torture" when she knowingly chaired the meetings planning it. It deliberately sabotages the understanding of others...intentionally making people stupider.

Can you think of anything more despicable to do?

A


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