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Folkies: Two Kinds?

Mr Happy 21 Apr 08 - 07:07 AM
Mr Happy 21 Apr 08 - 07:16 AM
Ernest 21 Apr 08 - 07:17 AM
Bonnie Shaljean 21 Apr 08 - 07:19 AM
Mr Happy 21 Apr 08 - 07:21 AM
Ruth Archer 21 Apr 08 - 07:25 AM
Ernest 21 Apr 08 - 07:29 AM
TheSnail 21 Apr 08 - 07:38 AM
Mr Happy 21 Apr 08 - 07:44 AM
Backwoodsman 21 Apr 08 - 07:45 AM
TheSnail 21 Apr 08 - 07:50 AM
Gulliver 21 Apr 08 - 07:53 AM
Dave Hunt 21 Apr 08 - 08:12 AM
Mr Happy 21 Apr 08 - 08:16 AM
Mr Red 21 Apr 08 - 08:20 AM
Big Al Whittle 21 Apr 08 - 08:22 AM
Mr Happy 21 Apr 08 - 08:25 AM
Ruth Archer 21 Apr 08 - 08:27 AM
Georgiansilver 21 Apr 08 - 09:45 AM
Dave Hanson 21 Apr 08 - 10:13 AM
Acorn4 21 Apr 08 - 11:09 AM
Mr Happy 21 Apr 08 - 11:18 AM
meself 21 Apr 08 - 11:30 AM
GUEST, Sminky 21 Apr 08 - 11:55 AM
MaineDog 21 Apr 08 - 12:14 PM
Harmonium Hero 21 Apr 08 - 12:22 PM
John MacKenzie 21 Apr 08 - 12:37 PM
Harmonium Hero 21 Apr 08 - 12:52 PM
John MacKenzie 21 Apr 08 - 01:00 PM
Artful Codger 21 Apr 08 - 01:23 PM
M.Ted 21 Apr 08 - 01:25 PM
Harmonium Hero 21 Apr 08 - 01:30 PM
Acorn4 21 Apr 08 - 01:30 PM
John MacKenzie 21 Apr 08 - 01:32 PM
GUEST,The Mole Catcher's unplugged Apprentice 21 Apr 08 - 01:33 PM
GUEST,padraig 21 Apr 08 - 01:40 PM
Harmonium Hero 21 Apr 08 - 01:42 PM
Big Al Whittle 21 Apr 08 - 01:47 PM
Jim Carroll 21 Apr 08 - 02:19 PM
DMcG 21 Apr 08 - 02:30 PM
GUEST,Sandra 21 Apr 08 - 02:33 PM
John MacKenzie 21 Apr 08 - 02:41 PM
McGrath of Harlow 21 Apr 08 - 02:43 PM
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Marje 21 Apr 08 - 03:17 PM
GUEST,Sandra 21 Apr 08 - 03:35 PM
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Subject: Folkies: Two Kinds?
From: Mr Happy
Date: 21 Apr 08 - 07:07 AM

In response to the several 쳌ebickering쳌f threads, including the 쳌eWill Fests Survive쳌f one, it can be deduced that there쳌fs actually two main types of folkie, comprising:

Active participants; singers, musicians, dancers, story tellers, poets, mummers etc

Passive audients who pay their money for others to entertain them.

Of course, amongst both groups, there may be some crossover, but in the main, this is my impression of the folkie population of Britain.

I include myself in the active group & have little interest in concerts, folk clubs & so on, preferring the session/sinaround settings both locally and at festivals.

Comments?


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Subject: RE: Folkies: Two Kinds?
From: Mr Happy
Date: 21 Apr 08 - 07:16 AM

I forgot, there쳌fs a 3rd kind, those who don쳌ft attend any live events, but listen to folky stuff at home on their stereos.


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Subject: RE: Folkies: Two Kinds?
From: Ernest
Date: 21 Apr 08 - 07:17 AM

I play a little - mostly in my living room, sometimes with friends/at a session - but go to concerts etc. as well.

Without the concerts - and the contact to musicians (pro and semi-pro) - I wouldn`t have started playing at all, I presume.

I draw a lot of inspiration from hearing others at concerts AND sessions.

And neither pro`s nor semi-pro`s nor sessions at public places would exist without audiences.

So what is your point, Mr. Happy?

Regards
Ernest


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Subject: RE: Folkies: Two Kinds?
From: Bonnie Shaljean
Date: 21 Apr 08 - 07:19 AM

Hmmmm, local sinaround sessions... tell us more         ;-)


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Subject: RE: Folkies: Two Kinds?
From: Mr Happy
Date: 21 Apr 08 - 07:21 AM

Sessions in public places can exist witout audiences, there's many like this in my local area. The participants play & sing mainly for their own entertainment & enjoyment & the prescence of audients can be incidental but fine if we're giving them a good time too!


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Subject: RE: Folkies: Two Kinds?
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 21 Apr 08 - 07:25 AM

"Hmmmm, local sinaround sessions... tell us more"

very popular in Lincolnshire - especially when the TV reception cuts out again...


;0)


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Subject: RE: Folkies: Two Kinds?
From: Ernest
Date: 21 Apr 08 - 07:29 AM

Yes, sessions can exist without audiences - but how many would if the landlord wouldn`t expect additional customers?

Still I don`t see your point. My experience is that you find a lot more active musicians at folk concerts than concerts of other musical styles.

Best
Ernest (off to work again now)


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Subject: RE: Folkies: Two Kinds?
From: TheSnail
Date: 21 Apr 08 - 07:38 AM

"Hmmmm, local sinaround sessions... tell us more"

Eee, we 'ad to make our own entertainment in those days. That's why there's so many of us.


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Subject: RE: Folkies: Two Kinds?
From: Mr Happy
Date: 21 Apr 08 - 07:44 AM

My point?

Instead of initiating further thread drift on the 쳌eFests Survival쳌f thread, I wish to clarify how folk festival organisers may perceive & cater for potential customers.


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Subject: RE: Folkies: Two Kinds?
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 21 Apr 08 - 07:45 AM

RUTH! STOP IT AT ONCE! You know what a shower of in-bred, talentless, ugly barstools we are - we have to entertain ourselves somehow! :-) :-)
J


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Subject: RE: Folkies: Two Kinds?
From: TheSnail
Date: 21 Apr 08 - 07:50 AM

But seriously...

I don't see why there needs to be a separation between those two groups. I see it as a continuum from those who are happy to sit in rows and be entertained through the active participants to the full time professionals. I think most folkies will cover a range of that spectrum rather than a single point.


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Subject: RE: Folkies: Two Kinds?
From: Gulliver
Date: 21 Apr 08 - 07:53 AM

"Hmmmm, local sinaround sessions... tell us more"

I too would be interested in finding out more about these. These are obviously frequented by a type of folkie we haven't seen around Dublin. Or maybe there's all these sinaround sessions going on here but I just haven't been invited to one yet. Sigh...


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Subject: RE: Folkies: Two Kinds?
From: Dave Hunt
Date: 21 Apr 08 - 08:12 AM

Subject: RE: Folkies: Two Kinds?
From: Ernest - PM
Date: 21 Apr 08 - 07:29 AM

Yes, sessions can exist without audiences - but how many would if the landlord wouldn`t expect additional customers?

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Re;the above

Well the monthly English music session that I have been running (for about 10 years now)does not bring in additional customers to the pub - there are only the regulars, and the landlady is perfectly happy to have us there, and always provides food too (which can be anything, sandwiches, satay sticks, sausage rolls, bread and cheeses, mince pies and mulled wine at Christmas - last night it was plates of bread and butter and dishes of scumptious chips for DIY chip butties - always popular that one!) plus the ocassional round of free drinks too.
Dave


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Subject: RE: Folkies: Two Kinds?
From: Mr Happy
Date: 21 Apr 08 - 08:16 AM

Dave Hunt,

Ditto your response.

In my experience, the sessioneers are the extra customers in otherwise fairly deserted pubs.


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Subject: RE: Folkies: Two Kinds?
From: Mr Red
Date: 21 Apr 08 - 08:20 AM

I would agree with the premise. There is Folk and there is entertainment. And the difference is driven by money. So is the bickering.
It is a spectrum, and wouldn't it be boring if there was nothing in the middle? But pedant that I am - it is more like a 4 dimensional spectrum (because I can only think in 3D and time that's why).

There is the typical Folk characteristic of concern and consideration for fellow "non gender human". Not all Folkies are totally altruistic but you would expect to experience more of them in the Folk world. And less in the "OK entertain me" world. And the nearer Folk gets to the entertainment world the more it looks like the latter.

Mr Happy I wish to clarify how folk festival organisers may perceive & cater for potential customers
There are as many answers as there are organisers (money figures), some organisers have not sussed that insulting people publically disaudes people who are not in the firing line (lets call them nice people), and attracts some (lets call them the "me generation") who welcome the cut and thrust. Most punters wait until it really really gets their pet preferences.
Folkies have to see the inevitable and make their choices before they feel agrieved.


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Subject: RE: Folkies: Two Kinds?
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 21 Apr 08 - 08:22 AM

Yes two kinds at least....men and women for a start.

And some places they allow dogs in.


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Subject: RE: Folkies: Two Kinds?
From: Mr Happy
Date: 21 Apr 08 - 08:25 AM

wld,

LOL!!


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Subject: RE: Folkies: Two Kinds?
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 21 Apr 08 - 08:27 AM

"You know what a shower of in-bred, talentless, ugly barstools we are - we have to entertain ourselves somehow! :-) :-)"

Oh dear - have I let the cat out of the bag?


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Subject: RE: Folkies: Two Kinds?
From: Georgiansilver
Date: 21 Apr 08 - 09:45 AM

>>>>>>>>>"You know what a shower of in-bred, talentless, ugly barstools we are - we have to entertain ourselves somehow! :-) :-)"<<<<<<<<<<<<
I wouldn't say that John...No not at all..... but we are a lot of perverted backwoodsmen according to one self appointed 'authority' on the Cat eh? Some Countess or other wasn't she?


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Subject: RE: Folkies: Two Kinds?
From: Dave Hanson
Date: 21 Apr 08 - 10:13 AM

It's about time someone started a ' sinaround ' permathread, people could add to it , then us as don't 'ave any could get some.
OK eric


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Subject: RE: Folkies: Two Kinds?
From: Acorn4
Date: 21 Apr 08 - 11:09 AM

The good thing about the folk scene is its breadth and "all embracing" nature -both for participents and those who juat want to watch.

I think the most irritating thing is those who wander into a pub as "audience" and then try to demand that the musicians "play to the gallery" -usually lowest common denominator stuff like "American Pie", "Wild Rover" -takes a really strong organiser to "put them in theri place".


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Subject: RE: Folkies: Two Kinds?
From: Mr Happy
Date: 21 Apr 08 - 11:18 AM

A pal of mine was bought a pint by an audient who asked him to sing 'Down where the drunkards roll'

My friend said he'd do it shortly & the audient wandered off.

He performed the request, but some time after, the requestor came over & asked when he was going to do it.

'I've done it'

'Well I didn't hear you'

'Well I'll do it again later, ok?'

My friend ended up doing it 3 times, but the other bloke missed it every time!


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Subject: RE: Folkies: Two Kinds?
From: meself
Date: 21 Apr 08 - 11:30 AM

'The good thing about the folk scene is its breadth and "all embracing" nature -both for participents and those who juat want to watch.'

I understand that this '"all embracing" nature' is particularly evident in the 'sinarounds" ...


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Subject: RE: Folkies: Two Kinds?
From: GUEST, Sminky
Date: 21 Apr 08 - 11:55 AM

There are two kinds of folkies: those who think there are two kinds of folkies and those who don't.


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Subject: RE: Folkies: Two Kinds?
From: MaineDog
Date: 21 Apr 08 - 12:14 PM

According to Aristotle there are 4 temperaments (Personality types).
According to Myers-Briggs there are 16.
Now if we add a dimension of folkieness, we will have 32.
When we get everyone put into their proper box, then we will know how to proceed...
MD


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Subject: RE: Folkies: Two Kinds?
From: Harmonium Hero
Date: 21 Apr 08 - 12:22 PM

I disagree with the contention that there are (only) two kinds of folkie and, further, with the implication (Mr. Happy and Mr. Red) that folk is not entertaining. Folk used to be inclusive; there was a whole spectrum of performers, from amateur to professional, and also an audience, who were entertained by folk music and dance. There always were those who would proclaim - entirely on their own authority - that "there should be no such thing as a professional folk singer". It seems that the folk world is increasingly polarising, and that tese naysayers are being joined by another group, who despise the amateurs. Where is this leading us? Not anywhere I want to end up.
Let me declare my interest. I am a professional folk singer. I am also a dancer, which is an amateur activity - in fact, it costs me money, which I can't really afford. I am entertained by folk music and dance, which is why I've been involved with it for forty years. If there are people who are sufficiently entertained by what I do that they are prepared to pay to listen, I can see no reason why I should not be a professional. Anyone who does not like professional folk entertainment is not obliged to listen. I long for a return to the old days, when, if you so desired, you could go to a folk club and be entertained by a semi-pro resident group, a pro- or semi-pro guest, and some floor singers, who could be either of the aforementioned or complete amateurs. These might not be the best singers you'd ever heard, but it wasn't a contest, and they were entitled to their two songs. And this was all to entertain a group known as 'The Audience' - which could include performers as well as non-performers. There was nothing immoral, improper or sleazy in this, as seems to be implied by certain comments above. In fact, anyone who wants to make sneering comments about this being 'money-driven' is welcome to try doing it for the sort of money I'm earning; I don't think they'd persist for long, and they would realise that there sre some of us - I'm not unique - who have more commitment than that.
I agree with The Snail's comment, but things seem increasingly to be dividing into two camps. Why?
John Kelly.


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Subject: RE: Folkies: Two Kinds?
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 21 Apr 08 - 12:37 PM

They used to say there were only 2 types of MPs, those who are lawyers, and those who aren't, with the latter category being the minority in a certain party.
To continue my theme from another thread, I contend that there only 2 types of folkies. Those who are socialists, and those who aren't. With the latter category being in the minority on Mudcat!


G ;)


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Subject: RE: Folkies: Two Kinds?
From: Harmonium Hero
Date: 21 Apr 08 - 12:52 PM

Oh, dear! can't we kwep politics out of this? I, for one, have NO political affiliations, and from experience, I'd guess that, not only am I far from being alone on this, but Giok's contention regarding Mudcatters is probably somewhat awry. I've seen socialists making assunptions like this before and having their eye wiped.
John Kelly.


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Subject: RE: Folkies: Two Kinds?
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 21 Apr 08 - 01:00 PM

While my post was somewhat tongue in cheek, I firmly believe my contention to be true.
One would hope it is possible to discuss political affiliations/leanings, without getting hot under the collar.
I certainly don't find it difficult to do so.

G


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Subject: RE: Folkies: Two Kinds?
From: Artful Codger
Date: 21 Apr 08 - 01:23 PM

Hmm, I thought the two kinds were tolerable and intolerable. With a lot in between, of course. ;-}


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Subject: RE: Folkies: Two Kinds?
From: M.Ted
Date: 21 Apr 08 - 01:25 PM

My experience has been that there are no passive audients, at least not in any large number, most folkies at least sing(and usually have a guitar or such under the bed) , and given that unaccompanied singing is a mainstream in folk music, everyone is an active participant--that, after all, is what makes it "folk"--


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Subject: RE: Folkies: Two Kinds?
From: Harmonium Hero
Date: 21 Apr 08 - 01:30 PM

Giok: I thought we were discussing folk music.
John Kelly.


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Subject: RE: Folkies: Two Kinds?
From: Acorn4
Date: 21 Apr 08 - 01:30 PM

I'm sort of in the middle - I go to a lot of singarounds/sessions and am quite happy to perform free to other musicians/singers or listeners. I get paid gigs now and then and sell a few CDs which is a bonus to something I do because I enjoy it.

If someone's performance has 'character' it can more than make up for technical deficiencies and I think that this is what makes the folk world unique.


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Subject: RE: Folkies: Two Kinds?
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 21 Apr 08 - 01:32 PM

Nope, the title says 'folkies John.


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Subject: RE: Folkies: Two Kinds?
From: GUEST,The Mole Catcher's unplugged Apprentice
Date: 21 Apr 08 - 01:33 PM

'Those who are socialists, and those who aren't. With the latter category being in the minority on Mudcat!"

I'm very happy indeed to be in the minority :-)

Charlotte R


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Subject: RE: Folkies: Two Kinds?
From: GUEST,padraig
Date: 21 Apr 08 - 01:40 PM

Yes.
1. Those who like 32-verse unaccompanied trad songs, and
2. Those who like sets of 32 bar reels/jigs etc
Oli and water - "east is east and west is west, and ne'er the twain shall meet" :-)
P.


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Subject: RE: Folkies: Two Kinds?
From: Harmonium Hero
Date: 21 Apr 08 - 01:42 PM

OK - Folkies, then; but the original post was talking about musical activities/ preferences.
John Kelly.


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Subject: RE: Folkies: Two Kinds?
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 21 Apr 08 - 01:47 PM

Not a socialist! You vill be liquidated ven the revolution comes - you are going on zee list Mrs Clever Clever Bougeois Charlotte View from the Piano Stool woman. Zen Vee vill see who is smiling!

It is part of our nine year plan. Zee Virkers aspirations vill not be denied.

Composite 13A subsection 6 paragraph 10. I move!


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Subject: RE: Folkies: Two Kinds?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 21 Apr 08 - 02:19 PM

Wonder where the collectors, researchers, anthologists - you know, the mike Yates' Roy Palmers' and the like come in all this - or did the tunes and songs just turn up in a basket on the doorstep one morning?
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: Folkies: Two Kinds?
From: DMcG
Date: 21 Apr 08 - 02:30 PM

I would add that you could make a very similar split on most activities: there are those who attend operas and those who perform; those who only attend football matches and those who play in an amateur (or professional!) team ... While I suspect the proportion who folkies who *only* attend is probably lower than most activities,I doubt if it's that far different from some other branches of music.


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Subject: RE: Folkies: Two Kinds?
From: GUEST,Sandra
Date: 21 Apr 08 - 02:33 PM

ye Gods - why do you argue so much?

Some of my most wonderful moments at festivals have been in a session, in a singaround or dare I say it in a concert.

Surely there is room for for us all! And if someone likes singarounds as opposed to concerts or vice versa it doesn't make them a bad person.


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Subject: RE: Folkies: Two Kinds?
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 21 Apr 08 - 02:41 PM

Some people need to analyse, pigeonhole, and scoff at others who have a different point of view to theirs.
Other like to throw non sequiturs into threads, and watch the fun.

G


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Subject: RE: Folkies: Two Kinds?
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 21 Apr 08 - 02:43 PM

Any time you're at a concert in a festival just look around, and you'll see the people who've been up on stage in other concerts, or who've been playing or singing with you in sessions or singarounds.


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Subject: RE: Folkies: Two Kinds?
From: GUEST,Sandra
Date: 21 Apr 08 - 03:13 PM

'Some people need to analyse, pigeonhole, and scoff at others who have a different point of view to theirs'

Well that's not very folkie is it - what ever happened to live and let live, tolerance and kindness. Some of the very people who reckon they have these qualities obviously don't.

Come on - lets all be friends. The vast majority of us like similar music or is it back to 'our private little club again'


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Subject: RE: Folkies: Two Kinds?
From: Marje
Date: 21 Apr 08 - 03:17 PM

I don't see any big argument here, Sandra. Yes of course there's room for us all, but Mr Happy has raised an interesting point.

I think it's an observable truth that there are, on the one hand, people who play and sing at sessions and clubs (and possibly, but not necessarily, attend concerts too), and on the other hand, people (probably underrepresented on this forum) who like to attend folk concerts but who don't do any of the participative stuff.

I say it's interesting because although those of us who play and sing believe this is what folk music is really about, the concert-goers also contribute to supporting and sustaining the professionals and semi-pros whom many of us value but may do little to support.

Here in Devon we are lucky to have regular folk concerts featuring nationally known and respected performers. Some of them do the club circuit, some don't; but I am pretty sure that without the chance to play at big venues that can afford a decent fee, many of them wouldn't survive as professionals. When I go to these concerts I see lots of my regular folkie friends there, but also hundreds of people who never appear at local clubs or sessions. I think that's their loss, and consider myself privileged to be actively involved in singing and playing, but I'm also aware that performing in front of others or even playing along with them is something that simply doesn't appeal to certain people, possibly most people. For them, music is something you listen to - and possibly look at, although it has to be said that most folk artistes and groups do not make a stunning visual spectacle.

I think this is simply how things are now, and events organisers need to be able to tap into this market of "passive folkies" to help keep the music commercially viable for the professionals, with knock-on benefits for the rest of us.

Oh, and is there some connection between "sinarounds" and that other favourite typo, "snogwriting"? Just wondered.


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Subject: RE: Folkies: Two Kinds?
From: GUEST,Sandra
Date: 21 Apr 08 - 03:35 PM

very well put Marje.

I can't play an instrument (I have tried several) nor do I sing unless everyone else is and then I love to join in. I do end up feeling a bit of a spare part at sessions without an instrument so I eventually leave.

I'm sure there are other concert goers who would like to join in with sessions but can't - they should not be looked down on because of it.


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Subject: RE: Folkies: Two Kinds?
From: Ernest
Date: 21 Apr 08 - 04:17 PM

Back again:

Hi Charlotte: glad to know that I am not alone :)

Giok: I have seen what the socialists did to a part of my country - and their nomenclatura never seemed very "folkie" to me.

Sandra: better we discuss it here than elsewhere - this talking would be a little annoying at concerts/sessions :)

Mr. Happy: taking into account that you say you don`t attend concerts I doubt that festival organizers would consider you a potential customer - why should they cater for you? If you play at sessions/singarounds which take place in pubs I presume it is the publician who should cater for you: you bring customers to him, not to the festival organizer.

Best
Ernest


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Subject: RE: Folkies: Two Kinds?
From: TheSnail
Date: 21 Apr 08 - 04:21 PM

Harmonium Hero

I long for a return to the old days, when, if you so desired, you could go to a folk club and be entertained by a semi-pro resident group, a pro- or semi-pro guest, and some floor singers, who could be either of the aforementioned or complete amateurs....

I suppose we all live in our own little bubbles but that's the folk scene that I know. I hadn't realised that it wasn't like that elsewhere.

I agree with The Snail's comment, but things seem increasingly to be dividing into two camps. Why?

Is there really a problem here? If you want to listen, there are plenty of opportunities, if you want to participate as an amateur there are sessions and clubs where you can do floor spots or,if you're good enough, be the guest. If you want to turn professional, well, I wish you well and, to some extent, envy you. The audiences of listeners, participators and fellow professionals are there. Whether they are there in sufficient numbers to support you is a business decision you have to make for yourself.


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Subject: RE: Folkies: Two Kinds?
From: Edgware
Date: 22 Apr 08 - 02:18 AM

I think that perhaps there is another kind of 'folkie' that needs to be considered.
The kind of person, who likes the music, but loathes the alternative activities that are often associated with what I like to think of as Traditional music.
One of the most damaging to the tradition is that over hyped parasitic activity - folk dancing.
If i want to listen to folk music performed indifferently I would listen to an LP of the White Heather Club,or something similar. I don't want it masquerading as the genuine article.
I was many years ago active as a floor singer both at the EFDSS and at the Singer's Club. I gave up attending clubs on a regular basis as I got disillusioned by the plethora of other activities intruding on my listening pleasure


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Subject: RE: Folkies: Two Kinds?
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 22 Apr 08 - 03:54 AM

Edgware
Maybe the the 'D' in the EFDSSS should have given you a clue that you would be due an invasion from 'parasites' if you hung around such places.

Marje
'Some of them do the club circuit, some don't; but I am pretty sure that without the chance to play at big venues that can afford a decent fee, many of them wouldn't survive as professionals.'

A lot of us find the narrow definitions of the traditionalists quite frankly an insult to our intelligence. Folk music that alienates most of the population and folk dances that only diehard enthusiasts perform - a minute portion of the population - is patently a nonsense. A surreal middle class fantatsy - well subsidised - we all know how the middle classes take care of their own.

What we have to do, is go out and become jobbing musicians. We play the music which ordinary people demand - wherever its needed. Supply and demand. And that's when we really learn about 'folk' music.


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