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Mr. Turner's Academy Cotillion-need notation help

Compton 24 Apr 08 - 06:14 AM
Compton 24 Apr 08 - 05:26 PM
GUEST,The Mole Catcher's unplugged Apprentice 24 Apr 08 - 05:39 PM
TheSnail 24 Apr 08 - 08:02 PM
Compton 24 Apr 08 - 08:24 PM
Desert Dancer 24 Apr 08 - 10:21 PM
Desert Dancer 26 Apr 08 - 07:45 PM
Compton 27 Apr 08 - 11:07 AM
GUEST 28 Apr 08 - 12:40 AM
Mo the caller 28 Apr 08 - 01:19 AM
astro 28 Apr 08 - 11:52 AM
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Subject: Mr. Turner's Academy Cotillion
From: Compton
Date: 24 Apr 08 - 06:14 AM

Hi all,
I know this isn't a usual request but is there anyone out in the great wide brotherhood of Mudcatters who can help me complete a jigsaw? I received a very scratchy vinyl lp of some "Playford Style" dances. I have managed to acquire all the dance notations BAR ONE!!
The favour is...can anyone PM me with the dance notation to Mr. Turner's Academy Cotillion...an early American dance, I understand.
I would try the country dance forum but that doesn't seem to be working anymore.

Thanks to anyone in advance.

Compton


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Subject: RE: Mr. Turner's Academy Cotillion
From: Compton
Date: 24 Apr 08 - 05:26 PM

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Subject: RE: Mr. Turner's Academy Cotillion
From: GUEST,The Mole Catcher's unplugged Apprentice
Date: 24 Apr 08 - 05:39 PM

Compton, you might want to try here:

I Want To Dance

The forums are divided into the dance styles and there is one for country dance

Charlotte R


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Subject: RE: Mr. Turner's Academy Cotillion
From: TheSnail
Date: 24 Apr 08 - 08:02 PM

Or here -

http://www.colonialmusic.org/EAD-bk.htm


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Subject: RE: Mr. Turner's Academy Cotillion
From: Compton
Date: 24 Apr 08 - 08:24 PM

Thanks to you both!!
Actually I had seen the Morrison book...but selfishly, as I only want the one dance (notation)I rather hoped that some kind and beneficial Dancing Master (Mistress) may look kindly on me and send me the one dance I need!!
Any one out there??


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Subject: RE: Mr. Turner's Academy Cotillion
From: Desert Dancer
Date: 24 Apr 08 - 10:21 PM

Compton,

I've got a source who I know has it -- I'll pass on your inquiry.

~ Becky in Tucson


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Subject: RE: Mr. Turner's Academy Cotillion
From: Desert Dancer
Date: 26 Apr 08 - 07:45 PM

Compton -- here's Alan Winston's reply:

Could you ask him what he means by "the country dance forum"; if it's the ECD list [US], that's still working fine, and I'd work with him on his problem.

I'm pretty sure that once he has Mr. Turner's, he won't be able to use it for much, but here it is. (I once got a group at dance camp to learn this for a performance, but the fiddler refused to go more than two times through the tune (which was still something insane like 192 bars) and the dancers were completely whacked after only two reps; these things should typically go four or five. But here you are, anyway.

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MR. TURNER'S ACADEMY COTILLION
Morrison
own tune, NIB, Key G, 2/4
Cotillion - square for four

A1&2 The changes

B1: Heads meet and rigadoon (8 counts); circle left once round
   (walking or chasse step) and fall back to places.

B2: Sides the same.


C1&2: Heads lead out to face the side couples on their right (4 counts),
    give both hands to opposite, chasse away from partners and back (8 cts),
    then all turn single (men over left shoulder, women over right) into
    two lines (involving all eight people). Each dancer ends 1/4
    counterclockwise around the set of four.

D1:   Lines of four join hands, go forward and back (8 beats); then
    turn partner 2 hands once round to original place. (sks for turns.)

C3&4 Side couples lead out to face the heads on their right, and repeat as in C1&2. The lines form perpendicularly to the earlier lines.

D2:   As in D1.


NOTE: As in all cotillions, the changes are standardized figures, usually in the form "everybody involved in the figure sets and rigadoons, then do the figure." Typical first figure is "all round" (all set and rigadoon (eight counts), hands in a ring, slip/gallop/chasse left, let go, and fall to the sidelines, repeat (circling right) to home). Other figures are men's hands across, women's hands across, rights and lefts, etc. If you've got four
figures, you could go with
slipping circle men's star (women get a rest)
women's star (men get a rest)
rights and lefts (everybody active)


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Subject: RE: Mr. Turner's Academy Cotillion-need notation help
From: Compton
Date: 27 Apr 08 - 11:07 AM

Desert Dancer...
For this I give much thanks..I came across a Vinyl LP in the UK "Playford Style" by a band called the Falconers...long, long out of print....but (I assume) the correct number of bars. I will PM you about ECD as I have tried twice to (re) subsribe. The silence was deafening!!...but (and I think we have chatted before. Thanks and one again Mudcatters didm't let me down!!

Chris Johnson (Compton)


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Subject: RE: Mr. Turner's Academy Cotillion-need notation h
From: GUEST
Date: 28 Apr 08 - 12:40 AM

Chris,

I've sent you a PM with contact info for Alan, who runs the ECD list that's based out of Stanford Univ. (US).

~ Becky in Tucson


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Subject: RE: Mr. Turner's Academy Cotillion-need notation help
From: Mo the caller
Date: 28 Apr 08 - 01:19 AM

My vague recollection of dancing Mr. Turner from that excellent LP is that it doesn't have the full number of repeats to do all the 'changes', but it would make it a complicated dance to learn for modern dancers if we had to learn all the changes as well as the chorus figure that makes the dance different from other cotillions.

I remember struggling at the first Playford dance workshop I went to. I had a feeling there was a pattern that everyone else knew about. I was having to memorise everything, they already knew that the dance would go -
A Up a double and back twice (and the music would tell them if and when they should set and/or turn single,)
B 1st complicated figure
A Siding
B 2nd complicated figure
A Arming
B 3rd complicated figure

We use that LP at our club too, copied onto tape.


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Subject: RE: Mr. Turner's Academy Cotillion-need notation h
From: astro
Date: 28 Apr 08 - 11:52 AM

Thus far I only do English sporadically, so when I requested a dance notation recently and it came back, "USA, with chorus of ....", I was a bit puzzled until I read through a number of other dances and Mo's pattern above suddenly clicked in my head!

~ Becky in L.A. on astro's machine and can't be bothered to sign out and sign back in


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Subject: RE: Mr. Turner's Academy Cotillion-need notation help
From: Compton
Date: 29 Apr 08 - 09:26 AM

Mo (the caller) any thoughts how many times Mr. Turner's etc...goes through on that LP / Tape?


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Subject: RE: Mr. Turner's Academy Cotillion-need notation help
From: Mo the caller
Date: 01 May 08 - 08:20 AM

Sorry, I was just going to check for you (I am the keeper of our club's library), but someone must have taken it out for use in a future programme.


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Subject: RE: Mr. Turner's Academy Cotillion-need notation help
From: GUEST,Bob Archer
Date: 07 May 08 - 11:21 AM

The Falconers recording is 4 x 64 bars


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Subject: RE: Mr. Turner's Academy Cotillion-need notation help
From: Compton
Date: 08 May 08 - 07:27 AM

Thanks Bob..you are a diamond geezer!!

...and thanks to all Mudcatters for again coming to the aid of the party!!


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