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Playing Guitar with Gout

GUEST,Mr Swollenfoot 20 May 08 - 01:48 PM
RangerSteve 20 May 08 - 02:31 PM
DonMeixner 20 May 08 - 02:33 PM
GUEST,.gargoyle 20 May 08 - 04:18 PM
GUEST,Phil Cooper on sig-o's computer 20 May 08 - 04:19 PM
van lingle 20 May 08 - 04:34 PM
The Sandman 20 May 08 - 06:03 PM
Rog Peek 20 May 08 - 06:31 PM
HuwG 20 May 08 - 09:27 PM
Richard Bridge 20 May 08 - 10:47 PM
Sorcha 20 May 08 - 11:03 PM
Backwoodsman 21 May 08 - 05:13 AM
RamblinStu 21 May 08 - 07:29 AM
Jack Campin 21 May 08 - 08:09 AM
Silver Slug 21 May 08 - 08:32 AM
Backwoodsman 21 May 08 - 11:48 AM
Skivee 21 May 08 - 01:20 PM
gnomad 21 May 08 - 02:40 PM
Roger in Baltimore 21 May 08 - 04:03 PM
Zany Mouse 21 May 08 - 04:47 PM
GUEST,.gargoyle 21 May 08 - 06:55 PM
GUEST,Billy 22 May 08 - 02:44 AM
ex-pat 22 May 08 - 04:07 PM
GUEST,Phil Cooper on sig-o's computer 22 May 08 - 04:32 PM
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GUEST,Jimbo 23 Oct 09 - 03:56 PM
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banjoman 24 Oct 09 - 06:52 AM
GRex 24 Oct 09 - 09:23 AM
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Subject: Playing Guitar with Gout
From: GUEST,Mr Swollenfoot
Date: 20 May 08 - 01:48 PM

oh well,

anyone want to buy a much loved and used Crybaby Wah Wah pedal !!!?


I thought I'd maybe a stress fracture in the 1st Metatarsal
[Google is Gods gift to hypercondriacs !!],

so after a week housebound unable to get a boot on my throbbing
bloated left big toe..
I managed to find a way to limp to my local health centre.

Dr immediately diagnosed Gout.

I'm not even 50 yet, and can hardly be accused of living a rich port guzzing fatcat lifestyle...????


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Subject: RE: Playing Guitar with Gout
From: RangerSteve
Date: 20 May 08 - 02:31 PM

My doctor told me it has very little to do with food. I don't guzzle port, either, but I had gout. It goes away. Mine lasted for a week, then dissappeared as if I never had it. Excedrin worked for the pain.


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Subject: RE: Playing Guitar with Gout
From: DonMeixner
Date: 20 May 08 - 02:33 PM

I was wondering how the guitar got gout?


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Subject: RE: Playing Guitar with Gout
From: GUEST,.gargoyle
Date: 20 May 08 - 04:18 PM

Don't get too down in the heel over it.

My toe picking technique suffered for awhile too, but you get into a good jam session and all is quickly forgotten.

Sincerely,
Gargoyle

Like the itich of wool longjohns in the winter - gout is frequently a seasonal affliction.


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Subject: RE: Playing Guitar with Gout
From: GUEST,Phil Cooper on sig-o's computer
Date: 20 May 08 - 04:19 PM

I've had gout since I was in my mid-30's. It can come on strong and then go away for several years. It has usually hit my left big toe. However, it also hit my right wrist once as well. Some herbalists recommend cherry juice. I've also taken indocin (or the generic equivalent). Never had to deal with using a wah-wah pedal though.


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Subject: RE: Playing Guitar with Gout
From: van lingle
Date: 20 May 08 - 04:34 PM

If playing a wah-wah is important you probably know about automatic wahs that are available in stomp boxes or multi-effect boxes.Not the same thing but not bad (I've got one in a Digitech processor).I haven't had to deal with gout for 15 years but at the time I did I was prescribed naprosen sodium which is available over the counter nowadays as Aleve. It cleared up in a few days and hasn't come back since.I was advised to cut back on organ meats, like liver and kidney (which wasn't an issue for me) and dried legumes because they both contain purines and also to cut back on my alcohol intake, which I did. Good luck.


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Subject: RE: Playing Guitar with Gout
From: The Sandman
Date: 20 May 08 - 06:03 PM

right, I too suffer from gout and have done for over twenty years.
drink plenty of water,eat cherries,celery. drink lemon juice,it turns into alkaline in the body, when you feel gout coming on cut out alcohol immediately.,drink lemon ji uice and lots of water
I have a problem with Peanuts,asparagus,chilli beans,offal,.
I now drink lemon juice in my tea every day.


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Subject: RE: Playing Guitar with Gout
From: Rog Peek
Date: 20 May 08 - 06:31 PM

"Playing a Guitar with Gout",........Why don't you try using a plectrum!

Sorry, couldn't resist it.

Rog


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Subject: RE: Playing Guitar with Gout
From: HuwG
Date: 20 May 08 - 09:27 PM

Cracking name for a group. Do they need a drummer or bass player ...

I have also suffered from the condition, which came on when I was 44. I would maintain that I did not have a lifestyle of pate and port, although my GP did once point out that real ale which has not been left to mature for long enough contains several compounds which can greatly exacerbate gout. After one or two nasty attacks, I went on the wagon. The local pub closed down. (I exaggerate, as usual.)

I was prescribed diclopheniac sodium, which brings the swelling and pain down after a day of cold sweat and pounding headache. A friend who dabbles in homeopathy and herbal medicines has recommended colchisime, which I believe can be a deadly poison, so I'll pass that invitation, thank you.

I have never used a wah-wah or other rocker-type pedal, though I can well imagine how painful it must be to try and use one with a swollen toe. Perhaps you and the drummer could adapt a kick pedal so that stamping with the heel only depresses the front end of the wah-wah, although the arrangement would look like an orthopaedic surgeon's nightmare on stage.


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Subject: RE: Playing Guitar with Gout
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 20 May 08 - 10:47 PM

Rheumox tablets. Work like a charm.


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Subject: RE: Playing Guitar with Gout
From: Sorcha
Date: 20 May 08 - 11:03 PM

And I was wondering why the playing guitar with the foot here, sorry. I see now it's the wa wa pedal...NOT the guitar.

And YES, I do know that gout can attack other joints...just most often the big toe.


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Subject: RE: Playing Guitar with Gout
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 21 May 08 - 05:13 AM

I've had gout since my early 30's (I'm 61 now). I wasn't a big drinker (a couple of beers a couple of times a week) and I don't drink alcohol at all nowadays.

I've never tied it to any particular foods, it just happened when it felt like it. The worst attack was when my leg was in plaster from the toes to the groin, and I got it in my big toe and knee, both at the same time. It lasted almost three weeks, despite medication. I have no fear of death since that little episode!

The aftermath was an arthroscopy on my knee to scrape out the uric acid crystals that had decided to live there permanently.

The doctor put me on Allopurinol about ten years ago, and I haven't had an attack since.

People find something very comical about gout - the original music-hall joke - but, believe me, it's no joke when you've got it! The pain is exquisite, and the slightest sound, or someone moving around near you makes it go wild.


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Subject: RE: Playing Guitar with Gout
From: RamblinStu
Date: 21 May 08 - 07:29 AM

Greetings fellow Gout sufferers, I've had gout, on and off, for about ten years now, and it's 'king painful, however if having reached the age I am, and all I've got to whinge about is a bit of gout, well I have been very fortunate

Also I've always found that the playing with gout is not as bad as the getting from chair to stage.

(I suppose if I play with it, it will never get better.)

I'm sure all you 'goutees' will know that the often quoted references to Port drinking is a myth, brought about by the habit, in times long ago, of sweetening Port wine with lead shot. This was not one of the better ideas of our forefathers.

Keep on playing and singing, but hold the dancing if it's bad……

All the best Stuart Pendrill


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Subject: RE: Playing Guitar with Gout
From: Jack Campin
Date: 21 May 08 - 08:09 AM

Gout is usually controllable by limiting purine intake. Purines are found in high concentration in yeast, which is why beer is a bad idea.

Now how about playing maracas with gallstones?


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Subject: RE: Playing Guitar with Gout
From: Silver Slug
Date: 21 May 08 - 08:32 AM

I sympathise as I am a fellow sufferer and have been for over thirty years. The condition has passed down the paternal line of my family for at least three generations, although I have to say that my condition is exacerbated by my refusal to cut out real ale and other purine rich foodstuffs.

The attacks get more frequent as you get older and are likely to spread to other joints, including your fingers if you are really unlucky. There are medicines available which disperse the uric acid before it has the chance to form crystals but I understand that they can have some unwanted side effects. I hope you don't suffer too badly!

SS


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Subject: RE: Playing Guitar with Gout
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 21 May 08 - 11:48 AM

Chacun a son gout, as they say.


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Subject: RE: Playing Guitar with Gout
From: Skivee
Date: 21 May 08 - 01:20 PM

I note a relative lack of jokes from those of us who have actually experienced gout. I have had attacks in most of the joints of my feet, legs and arms. It once took me 1/2 hour to turn around one time in the shower because of the blinding pain.

I'll be going to Allopurinol in a couple of weeks.
The advice to drink lots of water and use lemons for acidity have both worked for me to some degree. Dehydration can bring on an attack. I also avoid shellfish, pork, and some nuts.
Good luck to you.


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Subject: RE: Playing Guitar with Gout
From: gnomad
Date: 21 May 08 - 02:40 PM

I recently had my first bout of gout, in my big toe. Reading the above I guess it was a relatively gentle intro, but it still took me off my feet for 4 days, and limping for a month. Not fun at all.

Avoiding offal, and certain fish was already in place, but legumes and beer are going to be tougher. The info I've seen so far didn't cover nuts (a favourite of mine) is it all nuts, or just particular ones I should avoid?


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Subject: RE: Playing Guitar with Gout
From: Roger in Baltimore
Date: 21 May 08 - 04:03 PM

My doctor told me I had a combination of gout and arthritis and prescribed Allopurinol for the gout. I was also getting regular kidney stones which usually passed and sometimes only did so with assistance. Both the awful pain in my foot and the kidney stones have not reoccurred and I have not experienced any side effects that I have noticed.

Roger in Baltimore


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Subject: RE: Playing Guitar with Gout
From: Zany Mouse
Date: 21 May 08 - 04:47 PM

I was treated for gout for a couple of years but it turned out to be SLE (Systemic Lupus). Make sure you don't have that too.

Rhiannon


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Subject: RE: Playing Guitar with Gout
From: GUEST,.gargoyle
Date: 21 May 08 - 06:55 PM

DIALOGUE BETWEEN FRANKLIN AND THE GOUT

by Benjamin Franklin - 1780

FRANKLIN. Eh! Oh! Eh! What have I done to merit these cruel sufferings?

GOUT. Many things; you have ate and drank too freely, and too much indulged those legs of yours in their indolence.

FRANKLIN. Who is it that accuses me?

GOUT. It is I, even I, the Gout.

FRANKLIN. What! my enemy in person?

GOUT. No, not your enemy.

FRANKLIN. I repeat it; my enemy; for you would not only torment my body to death......

AMUSING PIECE (A classic in American Humor Anthologies) - about a page long - full of neglected sage advice regarding diet and exercise - found here:

http://www.4literature.net/Benjamin_Franklin/Dialogue_Between_Franklin_and_the_Gout/

Sincerely
Gargoyle


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Subject: RE: Dealing With Gout
From: GUEST,Billy
Date: 22 May 08 - 02:44 AM

I've had gout for many years and my doctor prescribed Allopurinol for the long term and Indomethicin (Indocin) for immediate reduction of inflamation - usually in the big toe. I always have some of these medications to hand, but haven't had to use them in the last three years.
Over the years, I have experimented with diet and found that if I gave up drinking wine, especially the American varieties, I was usually OK. I can drink as much beer as I want(lager like Heineken or Tennent's or the pure German beers like DAB) without getting a recurrence of gout. Guinness is OK too. Most American beer? like Miller and Budweiser has too much other adjuncts like rice? to be trusted.
I don't seem to have a problem with yeast. I have been baking my own bread and rolls for some time and despite the addition of large amounts of yeast, my gout has not returned.


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Subject: RE: Playing Guitar with Gout
From: ex-pat
Date: 22 May 08 - 04:07 PM

I first got gout after spending 5 days in the Carolinas, beer, oysters and lotsa edible crusteaceans. I then had to fly back to the UK for a funeral (Irish Wake) so when I got back to Toronto, I was pretty bad.
Left big toe, right big toe. Got hit last summer in both feet at once! I was so pissed off, couldn't walk.
The doctor originally prescribed Indomethacin which did buggerall.
He then gave me Colchicene which worked in a day.
Stress coupled with, perhaps, overindulging is what does it to me.


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Subject: RE: Playing Guitar with Gout
From: GUEST,Phil Cooper on sig-o's computer
Date: 22 May 08 - 04:32 PM

When I first told some friends in the fox valley folklore society that I had gout, the pres of the society said, "I'd feel sorry for you, if you hadn't put it on your promo material."


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Subject: RE: Playing Guitar with Gout
From: GUEST,Jim
Date: 23 May 08 - 03:05 PM

I have suffered from gout several times. My sons now own my cowboy boots. Mine has always attacked my foot joints, mainly big toe, until this spring. In March I had a bout of gout in my "flip the bird" knuckle of my right hand where it joined the palm. The back of my hand was swollen and I couldn't finger-pick. I had a gig the next weekend, so I went to the walk-in clinic and the doctor prescribed some blue and white capsules that worked wonders. In a day and a half I went from feeling lie I'd puched a wall (and hit a stud) to being able to play with very little pain. The doctor said most people with gout said,"Doc, give me some of thos blue and white caps!" Sorry I can't remember what they're called, but they work wonders.


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Subject: RE: Playing Guitar with Gout
From: GUEST,K. Friedman
Date: 23 May 08 - 05:48 PM

I used to play guitar with gout frequently. Then, he left the group to start his own... And, yes, I do know how much it hurts! Stopping drinking, I mean...


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Subject: RE: Playing Guitar with Gout
From: GUEST,Tim
Date: 24 May 08 - 06:39 AM

Hi,
Got my first attack in 1990 when I was 36. on the very day I was to start my own local radio show. What a P*** the doctor said I had sprained my ankle and sent me away with pain killers which did nothing. It was eventually diagnosed about 10 years later, I suppose I knew really because my dad had it. Always gets in my ankle joints. Just got over a bout which has been with me of and on for about a fortnight, unusual that, it usualy just comes I take 2 Indometacin to get rid of the pain, then as they wear off I take another two. Until the pain goes, and then I stop. Supposed to take 1 tab 3 times a day with food but that just dont work. Made the mistake of coming clean with the doc about my drinking, 1 bottle of red wine a day. Thats brought up evertime I go to see him now, no matter what for. Apparently doctors assume you are lying and always double the amount of alchohol you declare, charming. But I think I will have to adjust my alchohol, it was interesting that on of you recommends European beers I might try them instead. Playing the guitar with Gout? Got no choice.
Tim.


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Subject: RE: Playing Guitar with Gout
From: Muttley
Date: 24 May 08 - 07:08 PM

Gout is a true B*****d of a condition - comes and goes as it likes. Had it in my mid-30's and it went after a few weeks. However, I'd rather have the gout back than the Ross River Virus I have now (and have had for about 15 years.

Gout makes your toe hurt like a B***h but Ross makes your whole foot ache - - - all the time - - - BOTH of 'em,

Good luck with the home remedies - try them - they DO work!

Muttley


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Subject: RE: Playing Guitar with Gout
From: GUEST,Jimbo
Date: 23 Oct 09 - 03:56 PM

Nowadays you don't have to suffer gout. Just ask your doc for ALLOPURINOL.


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Subject: RE: Playing Guitar with Gout
From: Tug the Cox
Date: 23 Oct 09 - 07:52 PM

Tried it, didn't see myself as a pill a day for life person...yet, hurts like hell, but indemecin sees it off quickly.


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Subject: RE: Playing Guitar with Gout
From: banjoman
Date: 24 Oct 09 - 06:52 AM

You have my sympathy as gout is a very painful condition and I speak as one who knows. However, dont give up hope. My doctor prescribed Alopurinol about 10 years ago and I haven't had an attack since. Dont give up and good luck


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Subject: RE: Playing Guitar with Gout
From: GRex
Date: 24 Oct 09 - 09:23 AM

I suffered with chronic gout for about 30 years, starting in my late teens. With a change of GPs back in 1977 I was prescibed Alopurinol, haven't had an attack since. It is treatable.

      Stop limping
                      GRex


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Subject: RE: Playing Guitar with Gout
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 15 May 10 - 06:27 PM

New research might be helpful, and this is the closest to an applicable existing thread I could find(?)

Diet soda for preventing kidney stones?

Reuters
updated 11:37 a.m. CT, Fri., May 14, 2010

NEW YORK (Reuters Health) - Certain diet sodas may have the potential to prevent the most common type of kidney stone, if new lab research is correct.

In the study, researchers found that the diet versions of several popular citrus-flavored sodas -- like 7Up, Sunkist and Sprite -- contained relatively high amounts of a compound called citrate. Citrate, in turn, is known to inhibit the formation of calcium oxalate stones, the most common form of kidney stone.

The findings, reported in the Journal of Urology, suggest that diet sodas could stand as an extra weapon for some people prone to forming kidney stones.

Kidney stones develop when the urine contains more crystal-forming substances -- such as calcium, uric acid and a compound called oxalate -- than can be diluted by the available fluid. Most kidney stones are calcium-based, usually in combination with oxalate.

One reason that certain people are prone to being "stone-formers" is that their urine contains relatively little citrate, explained Dr. Brian H. Eisner, a urologist at Massachusetts General Hospital in Boston and the lead researcher on the new study.

Potassium citrate supplements have long been a common treatment for preventing calcium oxalate stones, as well as another type of stone called uric acid stones, in people who are prone to them. And in a study 10 years ago, one of Eisner's fellow researchers found that a homemade lemonade concoction was effective at raising stone-formers' urine citrate levels.

Exactly how effective "lemonade therapy" is at preventing stones remains unclear, but some doctors do recommend it to patients, according to Eisner.

The goal of the current study, he told Reuters Health, was to see whether any commercially available drinks had a similar citrate content as the homemade lemonade. The researchers chose diet soda, rather than regular, to avoid the high sugar and calorie content of the former.

Overall, the study found, citrus-based diet sodas -- including 7Up, Sunkist Orange, Sprite, Fresca and Canada Dry ginger ale -- had somewhat higher citrate levels than the homemade lemonade.
Dark colas, on the other hand, had little to no citrate.

Whether citrus-flavored diet sodas can actually help prevent kidney stones is still unknown. Eisner said he and his colleagues are currently conducting a study to try to answer that question.

For now, the researcher said he is not advocating that stone-formers "run out and get diet soda." However, he pointed out that patients are routinely advised to get 2 to 3 liters of water or other fluids each day.

"If drinking these sodas helps people reach that goal, then that may be a good thing," Eisner said.

He added that even in people who do not have naturally low urinary citrate levels, moderate amounts of the diet sodas are unlikely to do harm as far as stone formation goes. Many sodas do contain some sodium and/or caffeine; but again, Eisner and his colleagues say, when it comes to stone formation, there is no evidence that the sodium and caffeine levels in diet soda would present a risk.

SOURCE: http://www.jurology.com/article/PIIS002253471002656X/abstract
Journal of Urology, online April 19, 2010.

[End of quote]

According to what friends who suffer from gout have been told by their physicians, the oxalate/uric acid "deposits" that produce the kidney stones referred to in the article are essentially the same as the oxalate crystal deposits that are the principal cause of gout. Gout and this kind of kidney stones often appear together. It seems likely that boosting citrate - if it affects these kidney stones - should also be of at least some help with gout.

Unfortunately, a Mexican beer with a lime in it probably doesn't qualify as a "citrus diet soda."

John


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Subject: RE: Playing Guitar with Gout
From: GUEST,freespiritceol
Date: 16 May 10 - 08:08 AM

Had it for many years (gout!) and its very debillitating,Toe elbow knee, wrist affected. tried all meds and they only seemed to make it worse. I used to love hot curries, hot pepper sauce etc. I gave them up as an experiment and not had an attack in about a year, and no tablets needed. I told my doctor and she just laughed, but it works for me. Why is it always the things we really enjoy that we have to give up? Refuse to give up beer though

All the best

John


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Subject: RE: Playing Guitar with Gout
From: KHNic
Date: 17 May 10 - 07:17 AM

Have also had gout for many years, although only very occasionally since starting on Allopurinol. Have found that Colchisine is the most effective thing to take, even though it does classify as a poison! Cutting out tomatoes and Guinness also seems to help - my GP reckons that different people have different "triggers" for attacks. Never had a problem with beer, though.Thank God for small mercies.


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Subject: RE: Playing Guitar with Gout
From: The Sandman
Date: 17 May 10 - 08:10 AM

try celery seeds.
when you first get a twinge, drink plenty of water and cut out alcohol,eat celery seeds and drink lemon juice,never drink port.


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