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Subject: Folklore: 'Whip Jamboree' (a.k.a. 'The Peacock') From: SeaCanary Date: 20 Jun 08 - 10:37 PM About 4 years ago I'm sitting around listening to a bunch of fife players and a crowd of "ancient" drummers jamming (It's a long story.). When all of a sudden my friend sitting next to me says, "Listen!! They're playing 'Whip Jamboree!!!' " Instantly I'm on my feet and says I to a fifer, "What's the name of that tune you played that sounds like this?" and I hum "Whip Jamboree." "Oh that's 'The Peacock' ." she says. "Is it old?" I ask. "I dunno." says she. "Does it date back to the American Revolution?" I pursue. "O, yeah. Definitely!!" she replies. So here I am, 4 years later, trying to track down what music book this MIGHT be in and having no luck at all even though I've asked a forum specifically set up for fife and drum enthusiasts. Can anybody please help me with this? |
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Subject: RE: Folklore: 'Whip Jamboree' (a.k.a. 'The Peacock From: GUEST,.gargoyle Date: 20 Jun 08 - 11:18 PM Speed this midi (from the DT) up to 140 and see if it might fit.
Revolutionary Song "Hornet and the Peacock"
Sincerely,
The DT is excellent for the study/memorization of tunes (but so many come across as dirges) a suggested TEMPO signiture might be a sugggested refinment. (Says he ... who likes everything ... songs, sports, books, news....delivered in less than 60 seconds) |
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Subject: RE: Folklore: 'Whip Jamboree' (a.k.a. 'The Peacock From: SeaCanary Date: 21 Jun 08 - 07:35 AM A worthy effort, Gargoyle, and -- obviously -- one I wouldn't have thought of on my own, but it's not what I remember hearing. Thanks for the thought and the effort. |
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Subject: RE: Folklore: 'Whip Jamboree' (a.k.a. 'The Peacock From: SeaCanary Date: 21 Jun 08 - 06:10 PM Yeah, that was in a different context. I'm thinking about performing the "Hornet and the Peacock" ($deity$ help me.). I listened to the tune and didn't even consider it close. Now I know that people can track where I've been. $deity$ help me... |
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Subject: RE: Folklore: 'Whip Jamboree' (a.k.a. 'The Peacock From: Malcolm Douglas Date: 22 Jun 08 - 12:16 PM There are a number of tunes called 'The Peacock' or variations thereon. One, current under that name in the later 18th century throughout Britain and Ireland, begins in much the same fashion as 'Whip Jamboree'. It was later used for the Scottish song 'Goodnight and Joy Be Wi Ye A', which in turn (though much later) became popular in Ireland as 'The Parting Glass'. Whether it's the fife-and-drum tune you heard I wouldn't know, but you might have a look at the Early American Secular Music and Its European Sources website, which lists one or more 'Peacock' tunes (the incipits differ, so more than one may be involved) with references to two sets of late 18th century drum notation. Text Index: PEA |
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Subject: RE: Folklore: 'Whip Jamboree' (a.k.a. 'The Peacock') From: Marc Bernier Date: 22 Jun 08 - 01:04 PM Where are you from that you listen to Fife and Drum SeaCanary? Whup or (Whip) Jamboree is a very common tune amongst Fifers and Drummers in the Northeastern US. It does not however date to the 18th century. The tune popular amongst the fife and drum community enters to repertoire during the Mid to late 1930's via a Drum Corps from New York named the Sons of Liberty, and it is a march setting of the Chanty of the same name. Being a chanty it certainly does not date to the period of the American Revolution, and I'v never heard of anyone playing it on fife before the Sons of Liberty. I could give you the full story if your interested. As for calling Whup' the Peacock, I'v never heard anyone do that. What F&D forum did you go to? Did they have any information? |
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Subject: RE: Folklore: 'Whip Jamboree' (a.k.a. 'The Peacock') From: GUEST,doc.tom Date: 22 Jun 08 - 03:30 PM There seem to be two distinct versions of Whip Jamboree - which one are we talking about? Cecil Sharp, introducing John Short's version (later adopted by the Spinners), says of it: "I know of no other version of this chantey except one, in the major mode, given me by Mr. George Conway. The tune, which is in the æolian mode, is a variant of Santy Anna. In its construction, and to some extent in the character of its words, the chantey is akin to Spanish Ladies (Folk Songs from Somerset, No. 124). The words of the chorus show negro influence. Whall gives the other version, and says: ""Jamboree" also was originally a nigger minstrel song, altered by the seaman to suit himself." |
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Subject: RE: Folklore: 'Whip Jamboree' (a.k.a. 'The Peacock From: SeaCanary Date: 22 Jun 08 - 04:44 PM Malcolm Douglas -- I'll rummage around on Early American Secular Music and Its European Sources and see what I can find. Much obliged. Marc Bernier -- I'm from Silver Spring, Maryland. It wasn't so much an F&D forum as an aprés performance party. We had sung our little hearts out in Chestertown, Maryland. Afterwards there was a dance, bar-b-queue, jam session at someone-or-others home nearby and that's where I heard it and first came into contact with "Ancient Drummers." (I'm still not quite clear what they are all about, but they are a happy bunch of cigar chomping, beer drinking musicians and <$deity$> knows there's never enough of THEM to go around.) There were quite a few F&D musicians. I had to sit off a little ways so I could converse with people. That was okay, though. It was a beautiful day on the eastern shore and you couldn't beat the fellowship. doc.tom -- Yeah, there certainly are a number of versions floating around. The version I heard is pretty much like this one <http://www.mudcat.org/media/WHIPJAMB.MID>. |
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Subject: RE: Folklore: 'Whip Jamboree' (a.k.a. 'The Peacock') From: Marc Bernier Date: 22 Jun 08 - 08:03 PM AH. Geographically that gives me an explanation for the title, which I unfortunately would rather not put in writing. The short answer is the tune they where playing was in fact most likely Whup Jamboree, the title you were given, The Peacock, I would venture to guess came into usage in that part of the country about 30-35 years ago. A young fifer could very well be only familiar with that title and assume 18th century origin. |
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Subject: RE: Folklore: 'Whip Jamboree' (a.k.a. 'The Peacock') From: Jacob B Date: 23 Jun 08 - 10:18 AM Marc, I'm very curious why you said, "Being a chanty it certainly does not date to the period of the American Revolution." Surely sea chanties were in use all through the age of sail, weren't they? |
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Subject: RE: Folklore: 'Whip Jamboree' (a.k.a. 'The Peacock') From: Marc Bernier Date: 23 Jun 08 - 12:29 PM Jacob B, It is largely accepted by scholars that the art of chantying started to develop in the early days of the 19th Century, 1815-1819, with the beginning of the packet trades. The large Naval wars of the late 18th early 19th century winding down, there was a fast growth in merchant shipping. Ships quickly growing larger and crews smaller the chanty developed. 18th century references to sailors singing at work are very rare. |
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Subject: RE: Folklore: 'Whip Jamboree' (a.k.a. 'The Peacock From: GUEST,.gargoyle Date: 23 Jun 08 - 01:50 PM JAMBOREE
Lighter - RHDHASlang p 248 attributes
RHDAE - has no historical origin but suggests
Sincerely, |
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Subject: RE: Folklore: 'Whip Jamboree' (a.k.a. 'The Peacock') From: Marc Bernier Date: 23 Jun 08 - 05:40 PM ?????????? |
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Subject: RE: Folklore: 'Whip Jamboree' (a.k.a. 'The Peacock') From: Richard Bridge Date: 23 Jun 08 - 06:14 PM Nice piece of thinking Garg. If the word "jamboree" does not predate 1864 then the song substantially postdates the revolution in America. Depending on the words sung (there are various) one could play that game over and over. The Lizard Light was I think completed in 1619 so that drops back in time. Ships going to Liverpool would not have needed the Lizard Light whereas London ships would. Over to real historians. |
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Subject: RE: Folklore: 'Whip Jamboree' (a.k.a. 'The Peacock') From: Richard Bridge Date: 23 Jun 08 - 06:18 PM PS, I feel the spelling "chantey" pretentious and faux-folklorique - but I might be wrong. |
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Subject: RE: Folklore: 'Whip Jamboree' (a.k.a. 'The Peacock') From: Snuffy Date: 24 Jun 08 - 03:52 AM It all depends which side of the pond you're sitting. |
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Subject: RE: Folklore: 'Whip Jamboree' (a.k.a. 'The Peacock') From: Marc Bernier Date: 24 Jun 08 - 07:22 AM You mean with the 'e' as opposed to chanty? I don't understand. |
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Subject: RE: Folklore: 'Whip Jamboree' (a.k.a. 'The Peacock') From: Keith A of Hertford Date: 24 Jun 08 - 07:52 AM We say,"shanty" over here. |
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Subject: RE: Folklore: 'Whip Jamboree' (a.k.a. 'The Peacock') From: Marc Bernier Date: 24 Jun 08 - 08:20 AM It's always been my understanding that it's spelled with a CH in the states and an SH in the UK. No? |
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Subject: RE: Folklore: 'Whip Jamboree' (a.k.a. 'The Peacock') From: Barry Finn Date: 24 Jun 08 - 11:38 AM Doerflinger says shanty Colcord says chantey Harlow says chantey Hugill says shanty Shay says chanty & shanty C F Smith says shanty Huntington says chanty Terry says shanty Whall says shanty Beckett says shanty Bradford says chanty Broadwood says chanty Villiers says shanty Masefield says shanty Bone says chantey Carpenter says chantey Davis & Tozer say chantey Farnsworth & Sharp say chantey Charles says chantey Frothingham says chantey Finger says chantey Hutchison says chantey King says chantey Adams says shanty Rowley says shanty Sampson says shanty Toye says chantey Trevine says chantey Whitehead says shanty 13 shanties to 17 chanteys what's your pleasure I'm not gonna get into who comes from where now the chit's really gonna fly Bye-bye Barry |
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Subject: RE: Folklore: 'Whip Jamboree' (a.k.a. 'The Peacock') From: Snuffy Date: 24 Jun 08 - 01:05 PM Abandon chip! |
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Subject: RE: Folklore: 'Whip Jamboree' (a.k.a. 'The Peacock') From: Marc Bernier Date: 24 Jun 08 - 03:48 PM WOW Barry! How long did it take you to compile that? I know where most of them are from all ready. |
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Subject: RE: Folklore: 'Whip Jamboree' (a.k.a. 'The Peacock') From: Mr Happy Date: 24 Jun 08 - 04:14 PM Ink Spots say Shanty:http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=DM84xNa6ar0 |
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Subject: RE: Folklore: 'Whip Jamboree' (a.k.a. 'The Peacock') From: Mr Happy Date: 24 Jun 08 - 04:15 PM .........also the Kingston Trio did a song called 'Santiano' with the 'Jamboree' tune. |
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Subject: RE: Folklore: 'Whip Jamboree' (a.k.a. 'The Peacock') From: Barry Finn Date: 25 Jun 08 - 02:34 AM Not long at all, I looked up at my bookshelf Mark, had a good few there already then I cheated, after that I looked at Hugill's bibliography. Barry |
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Subject: RE: 'Whip Jamboree' (a.k.a. 'The Peacock') From: The Sandman Date: 13 Aug 26 - 05:02 AM the peacock tune that i know is a slip jig, and does not sound like the version i know of whip jamboree |
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Subject: RE: 'Whip Jamboree' (a.k.a. 'The Peacock') From: Charley Noble Date: 16 Aug 26 - 09:09 PM Just a note to add that there is a early minstrel song titled "Whoop Jamboree" which has entirely different lyrics but might have the same tune: Whoop, Jam-bo-ree (jig) (As sung by Daniel Decator Emmett and the Virginia Minstrels at White’s Melodeon in New York City , circa 1850, in imitation of the Mississippi riverboatmen; in CHRISTY’S PANORAMA SONGSTER, published by William H. Murphy, NYC, pp. 135-136) I went down to New Orleans, I tink myself a man, De first place I fotched up was on board de "Talleyrann." Chorus: Whoop, jam-bo-ree! Whoop, jam-bo-ree! Vinegar shoes and paper stockings, Git up, ole hoss! When I get on board de boat, de captain look aroun’- “O put de nigger’s heels on shore, dey’ve got de boat aground.” (CHO) Den I look about de boat, to see what I could see – When de nigger ‘gin to laff, he stopped de she-na-ree! (CHO) Den dey punch de fires up, to make de bilers burn – De ingineer he went behind to gib her anudder turn. (CHO) De captain on de biler deck, a-scratchin’ ob his head – An’ jawing ob de deck hand, a-heavin’ ob de lead. (CHO) Den dey hoist de dish-cloth, and spread it to de breeze, It floated like de udder haff ob tudder haff a cheese. (CHO) De nigger an’ de bullgine, dey running in cahoot – De nigger pass de bullgine gwine through de (chuite) shoot. (CHO) I gits upon de cook-house, I call for glass ob gin, De nigger nearer heaben den I eber was agin. (CHO) Notes: According to steamboat authority Emmerson W. Gould in Fifty Years on the Mississippi or Gould’s History of River Navigation, Nixon-Jones Printing Co., St. Louis, MO, 1889, p. 351, there was a fast steam packet named the "Talleyrand" that ran between Nashville and New Orleans in the 1840s. Cheerily, Charlie Ipcar |
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