BS: Dreams that Stayed With You

Subject: RE: BS: Dreams that Stayed With You
From: Ebbie
Date: 10 Jul 08 - 09:31 AM

Aw, Liz. That's sad. Tell that little 9-year-old kid within you that it's something you/she has been feeling every night.

Reminds me of what the tour guide used to say in the depths of the Luray Caverns (yes, Luray, where Bobert lives): Now I'm going to turn off the lights so you can see what real darkness is. And if it scares you, just close your eyes.

Subject: RE: BS: Dreams that Stayed With You
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 10 Jul 08 - 07:00 AM

Well if we're going to get into nightmares, something that never fails to wake me in a cold sweat, heart racing and panic overwhelming me....

I ask myself 'what will I feel like when I'm dead?' Now that's a question that absolutely no-one can answer but it will get me into a screaming blind panic every single time. It's been happening ever since I was 9, when my brother was killed by a drunken driver. I wondered then how he felt then applied it to myself. Result - instant meltdown.

LTS

Subject: RE: BS: Dreams that Stayed With You
From: Bee
Date: 09 Jul 08 - 10:17 PM

Good Lord, heric! I've had nightmares, but I don't think I could top that.

Subject: RE: BS: Dreams that Stayed With You
From: Ebbie
Date: 09 Jul 08 - 08:35 PM

Last night I dreamt that a musician friend shot and killed himself. I wasn't there at the moment but I *saw* him telling two guys what he was going to do and that they were to watch for something, some kind of fleeting development, in the process. I woke up thinking about it and haven't been able to shake it today. It was as if he were doing it in order to establish some kind of idata. I kept wanting to say, But you won't be here to be told about it!

But I wasn't even there.

Subject: RE: BS: Dreams that Stayed With You
From: Ebbie
Date: 09 Jul 08 - 08:31 PM

ye gods, heric. Nightmares are something else again...

Subject: RE: BS: Dreams that Stayed With You
From: heric
Date: 09 Jul 08 - 04:25 PM

I had a very, very upsetting dream last night that Rush Limbaugh was grooming me like a dog oh my god this is true and I can't bring myself to discuss it further. Yecch.

Subject: RE: BS: Dreams that Stayed With You
From: Mrrzy
Date: 09 Jul 08 - 01:02 PM

Woke up with a slight headache this morning. Decided to lie down a little bit more, dreamed I had called in, and was therefore massively late to work!

Subject: RE: BS: Dreams that Stayed With You
From: Ebbie
Date: 08 Jul 08 - 10:40 PM

I too am glad for the clarification, Dean. While I was out walking my dog I cogitated on just how tall "under" 4 feet was and decided, Hey, that's short...

Do you know Michael Smith's song about the Princess and the frog? :)

Subject: RE: BS: Dreams that Stayed With You
From: Bee
Date: 08 Jul 08 - 07:52 PM

Good to know, frogprince: I was wonderin' whether yer screen name was reflecting some kind of reality, like, y'know, you really are a frog prince! and the four foot tall GF was worried about being too tall. ;-)

Coincidentally, my brother's first serious girlfriend had a similar condition, and had been fed HGH from an early age. She was still stuck in a kind of medically enforced pre-puberty, physically, at eighteen.

Subject: RE: BS: Dreams that Stayed With You
From: frogprince
Date: 08 Jul 08 - 06:24 PM

The young lady was under five feet tall; four-foot-eight.

Subject: RE: BS: Dreams that Stayed With You
From: Ebbie
Date: 08 Jul 08 - 05:16 PM

"I parked on a side street, and then for some reason I crawled into the back seat while she sat in the driver's seat." Bill D

lol Are n't dreams amazing. I love 'em..

Subject: RE: BS: Dreams that Stayed With You
From: frogprince
Date: 08 Jul 08 - 04:45 PM

I also believe that dreams consist of content that "has gotten into your head", however strangely it may express itself when freed from the voluntary control processes. One thing I've found is that a dream can show you what's really in your "heart", before you've really sorted out a situation rationally.

I had been dating a young woman for a few months. She was under 4 ft tall, and wasn't "stacked", but I hadn't really thought about any clinical implications of that. She then told me that, by accident of birth, she had never fully developed sexually; she could make love, but never have children. I had no more than fallen asleep that night when I had just a few moments of dream; she came to me, nude, and I took her in my arms. It wasn't an "erotic" dream as such, but it was a happy one; I awoke immediately, and knew in that moment that I had no problem accepting her as she was.

The relationship ended for other reasons, but she is one of those I remember sometimes, and hope that life has been good for her.

Subject: RE: BS: Dreams that Stayed With You
From: Amos
Date: 08 Jul 08 - 04:25 PM

Bee:

I don't think you are talking through your hat. I do believe that you are talking through your brain (or possibly, Bill's), which is a perfectly normal thing to do. Just as talking on a phone is perfectly normal, even a wireless or cellular phone.

That does not mean, as I have often said, that the phone is the source of your communications.

A

Subject: RE: BS: Dreams that Stayed With You
From: CarolC
Date: 08 Jul 08 - 04:08 PM

I think it's necessary to make some very large assumptions in order to maintain that other animals besides humans don't have any kind of connection to a larger spiritual entity beyond themselves. Nobody's really in a position to know something like that.

Subject: RE: BS: Dreams that Stayed With You
From: GUEST,Tunesmith
Date: 08 Jul 08 - 03:56 PM

I have a recurring dream where I am walking around an area where I used to live, and I'm amazed to see that an old cinema, that closed over nearly 50 years ago, has re-opened; and not only that, but it looks exactly like it did all those years ago - and it showing movies from that period; initially, I'm very excited about this, but then I get very logical and start to doubt the wisdom of such a venture, fearing that they won't get an audience. I guess this dream is to do with a longing for the past.

Subject: RE: BS: Dreams that Stayed With You
From: Bee
Date: 08 Jul 08 - 03:42 PM

I could use a good hat, Bill. I've currently lost my favourite and the other has a chunk chewed out of the brim (not by me, I hastily add).

Subject: RE: BS: Dreams that Stayed With You
From: Bill D
Date: 08 Jul 08 - 03:26 PM

No tamborine, SINSULL... they COLLECT $$$$...

Bee.. I think you just wrote a post for me..*smile* Couldn't have said it better myself.

You may borrow one of MY hats if you'd like to continue.

Subject: RE: BS: Dreams that Stayed With You
From: Bee
Date: 08 Jul 08 - 03:01 PM

Amos, I can't read Dossey's books right now and have to guess from a tiny amount of information that he takes a somewhat Jungian approach to dreams and a version of collective consciousness, and combines that with a nod to god, with which views you somewhat agree. Bill D is more pragmatic/materialist, and likely thinks any perceived predictive power of dreams comes down to selective interpretation.

I could hazard a germ of truth in both views, but likely not the essential ingredient either of you favour. I suspect we share, more than most people like to think, the same neural processes as all other animals. We all evolved together, our basic drives are the same. Our ability to think and dream is as physical as anything else about us. We are of the world in the most literal sense, and our bodies and brains, on some level, can't help but naturally know it. I think most of the time we humans function pretty much the same as a deer, or a rabbit - we coast on our mammal layer, and depend on our reptile hindbrain to keep us out of trouble.

Only in our efforts to communicate with others (and talk to ourselves) do we rise to the pinnacle of a mammalian ability. Like all such extreme specializations, while making us phenomenally successful in our niche (there's billions of us), there are probable drawbacks. I think one of these might be a diminished integration in our brains, so that we may perceive messages as coming from without, or as 'other', that are actually signals from within, which any other mammal might smoothly recognize as 'self' and act upon without any feeling of disconnection.

I think we interpret this disconnection in various ways, one of which is to devise explanations for it which are either non-physical, like gods or collective consciousness, or materialistic, where we explain it with references to symbols or memories or deduction.

I think that collective consciousness is real, but not as usually imagined, as some great amorphous spiritual cloud of being, but much more simply in the similar evolved structure of each individual human brain. It is within, and not shared except as we share any other biological attribute.

Or I may be talking entirely through my hat.

Subject: RE: BS: Dreams that Stayed With You
From: SINSULL
Date: 08 Jul 08 - 02:47 PM

Bill,
that sounds more lke a ride home after imbibing too much. The smiling lady was a Temperance promoter. Did she have a tambourine?

Subject: RE: BS: Dreams that Stayed With You
From: CarolC
Date: 08 Jul 08 - 02:35 PM

Some of my dreams are absolutely predictive. Some of them have predicted things that I had no possible way of anticipating. I pay attention to those kinds of dreams. They have a powerful emotional content that nags at me until I do something about it, and the feeling goes away after the issue is addressed. Several times they predicted something that would happen to my son if he continued along a particular path (which I was unaware of prior to having the dream), and each time, when I told him about the dream, he knew exactly what they referred to in his life, and in each case, he took corrective action and averted a big problem.

Subject: RE: BS: Dreams that Stayed With You
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 08 Jul 08 - 01:38 PM

I lean more to the school of thought that says dreams are your body's way of unravelling your unconscious mind in order to make sense of recent happenings and store them away in suitable memory slots for future reference.

I can work out that the tin of seeds and nuts are my sustenance, that they're connected with a health issue I have at the moment, but why the hell should I cut the knee of a famous actor with them is beyond me!

LTS

Subject: RE: BS: Dreams that Stayed With You
From: Amos
Date: 08 Jul 08 - 01:11 PM

I don't think dreams are predictive per se; I think they are a construct for putting some recognisable garb on a premonition.

Materialists, of course,will tell you that such premonitions are merely extrapolations from scraps of data, and not prescient at all, and it is true that often the way dreams scramble their data and their imaginary bits that there's no hard ground for rebutting such an interpretation, but I think its a dodgy explanation myself.

Larry Dossey (among other wirters) has some observations on the capabilities of the non-local awareness function of the human "mind", or spirit -- let's leave the structural argument aside for the mo -- which are most interesting.

Some of his books.

A

Subject: RE: BS: Dreams that Stayed With You
From: Bill D
Date: 08 Jul 08 - 01:09 PM

...so...last night I had a dream. *grin*... My wife & I had driven 'downtown' somewhere, to pick up my father from work (he died 33 years ago!). I parked on a side street, and then for some reason I crawled into the back seat while she sat in the driver's seat. I was sorta laying sideways like I was tired, when a cheerful young woman came across the street and up to my window, which was half-way down.

She reached into her purse and pulled out a $5 bill and handed it to me thru the window, saying "Here, you look tired...Jesus wants you to have this...it will improve your day!"....and off she went.

Then I woke up.

Now THAT ranks up there with the most incongruous dreams I have ever had. Analyze away!@

Subject: RE: BS: Dreams that Stayed With You
From: Bee
Date: 08 Jul 08 - 12:53 PM

People who believe dreams have predictive power are reinforced in their delusion by things like this.

I worry about Snowball getting hit by a car. He's not altogether a tame kitty, except with me, and I know he wanders a bit when occasionally I can't catch him for the night (by day he lays about the house and deck eating and sleeping). Last night I dreamed he was hit by a car and was mewing pitifully in his final agonies on the roadside - awful dream! This morning coming back from grocery shopping, someone's poor kitty was laying dead on the side of the road near my home, just where I pictured the dying Snowball.

Aha! My dream predicted that! Wrong cat, but the gist is true!

I know, of course, that there is a small feral colony nearby - probably Snowball's origin, and possibly where he goes when I can't find him, and likely the home of today's unfortunate victim.

Subject: RE: BS: Dreams that Stayed With You
From: GUEST,Joe
Date: 08 Jul 08 - 10:44 AM

I quite regularly have dreams of doing specific tasks that I have been doing at work, mainly boring, repetitive tasks, which I seem to dream about all night. I awake feeling totally unrefreshed and not at all ready for a day's work.

I also used to dream a lot about plane crashes, something possibly linked with living very near RAF Brize Norton and their tendency to fly planes all night long. The strange thing was I always saw a plane in the sky and wanted, almost willed it to crash, which it usually would.

Subject: RE: BS: Dreams that Stayed With You
From: Amos
Date: 08 Jul 08 - 10:37 AM

Liz:

I love SINS' remark, sometimes a dream is just a dream. Yours, however, shows that you are highly efficient at beating the bejaysus out of things that have no importance to you whatsoever.   

A

Subject: RE: BS: Dreams that Stayed With You
From: SINSULL
Date: 08 Jul 08 - 08:27 AM

Obviously, Liz, you hate your mother.

Sometimes, dreams are just dreams - bits and pieces of experiences thrown together in a pot.

My dreams have themes - travelling and lost or missing the bus, scarves,veils and shawls are elements in most of my dreams. I have dreams that continue next week. The best was that all my female relatives were pregnant. It is the day before Easter and we are shopping for candy in a very elegant store.

All of them go into labor at once and 30+ little Sullivans are born setting a record for the hospital's Maternity Ward.

One sister-in-law has triplets, a pair of twins and a single - not sextuplets. All the babies are healthy but one.

A few weeks later I dreamed it was the babies' first birthday. I couldn't remember all their names and couldn't afford birthday presents. Periodically I visit them at their various homes and have strange interactions - one about apple picking and a bar-b-que.

The last time I saw them, they were about 6. I had travelled to Tibet and brought them back little trinkets which made them very happy. The one baby is severely retarded and has a large birthnmark on her face.

The trip to Tibet is vivid - it is an island with an amusement park.

I used to keep a dream book. Probably should start again. I can find events in my everyday life which provide the fodder for the dreams. I had read about three sisters who all were born on the same day - different years and then gave birth on the same day - a hospital record.

One of a famouse set of sextuplets has a larged birthmark.

Somethimes, I will see something - a near miss car accisdent or a skunk or a snake and know that I will dream about it soon.

Sorry for the ramble. Haven't had my second cup of coffee.

Subject: RE: BS: Dreams that Stayed With You
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 08 Jul 08 - 04:03 AM

So Joe - try this one out on your wife on my account...

Last night, I dreamt I was walking down a busy London street holding a biscuit (cookie) tin, full of my usual snack - mixed nuts, seeds and cranberries. Whilst walking, I accidentally knocked into a man in a long raincoat, cutting his coat and hurting his knee with my biscuit tin. The man was the UK actor Peter Bowles - an actor I am familiar with (Google 'To the Manor Born') but have no interest in, either career-wise or romantically. His coat was torn and his knee bruised and I was horrified at hitting him, but he just smiled and said sorry.

Then I woke up. Any interpretation would be appreciated because none of those subjects are covered in that context in any of my usual dream diaries!

LTS

Subject: RE: BS: Dreams that Stayed With You
From: Bill D
Date: 07 Jul 08 - 11:20 PM

"...be usually prevented by.."

ummm..enquiring mind wants to know how many chances I get.

(If I had enough money, I'd endow a fund to hire some Hollywood effects artists to monitor my life and, if I pass on before you do, create a simulacrum of myself which would sneak into your bedroom late at night and whisper in your ear..."Damn, Amos, you were right!"

Since some of the most pleasant weather I ever encountered was in San Diego when I was young, that is a fine offer...even to a disembodied spirit. I think I'd rather do it BEFORE I go, however, given my suspicions about metaphysical realms. Remember, my greatest regret is that, if *I* am right, I don't get to say "I told you so!"

Subject: RE: BS: Dreams that Stayed With You
From: Amos
Date: 07 Jul 08 - 07:59 PM

Bill:

I just hope against hope that, should the occasion ever arise (which I hope it will not), that you have enough presence of wit not to become, yourself, a ghost. This can be usually prevented by making sure you have completed your major communications, resolved any old enmities, and foregone any undue attachments to particular things or locations, or any clinging to specific others for good or ill reasons.

But if through some unpredicted turn of fate you do find yourself compelled to hang around pondering and acting out and so on, after your merely mortal shell has moved on, feel free to come down and enjoy the surf and sun here in San Diego until you feel rested and ready to tackle some other mission.


A

Subject: RE: BS: Dreams that Stayed With You
From: Bill D
Date: 07 Jul 08 - 05:42 PM

substantive? gee, Amos, I thought NON-substantive was the idea...*grin*

(I like to laugh, and often some of the best points are made thru humor)

Subject: RE: BS: Dreams that Stayed With You
From: Amos
Date: 07 Jul 08 - 04:52 PM

THose are hilarious, Bill. Neither one addresses the point in any suibstantive way, but a fine laugh.


A

Subject: RE: BS: Dreams that Stayed With You
From: katlaughing
Date: 07 Jul 08 - 02:44 PM

I had a very interesting, puzzling one this morning. Don't know if there is any significance to it or not.

I was looking inside a house, from the front step. It was a very small house and our son or daughter had just moved out of it. Whichever it was had moved across the street to a bigger house. I made a joke about how we should get my brother to buy the little house or at least move into it so he could be happier. (In real life it would not make him happier, unless it were a huge mansion.) I was being sort of sarcastic in the dream about it as we all know it wouldn't work out.

Anyway, at some point Roger and I were out doors and a big elk walked right past me. It apparently was a pet because it let me run my hand along its back just before it collapsed onto its side. Rog and someone else told me to hurry and clear its airway (well, I was talking to him the other night about my having been trained as an EMT & theoretically able to do a tracheotomy on him using scissors and a barrel from a pen!) Anyway, I threw myself to the ground, up against the elk, reached around its head, opened its jaws and stuck my fingers way down its throat to check for any obstructions. I didn't feel any, but what was odd was there was no opening. It was almost as though there was no throat. It didn't seem weird, just curious. Then I woke up.

Subject: RE: BS: Dreams that Stayed With You
From: Joe Offer
Date: 07 Jul 08 - 01:56 PM

My wife is really interested in interpretation of dreams. For years, whe has tried to get me to remember and recount my dreams, so she can figure out what makes me tick. After six years of marriage, she has given up.
We've decided my dreams are just action movie scripts, and have no hidden meaning.

Maybe I watch too much TV???

-Joe-

Subject: RE: BS: Dreams that Stayed With You
From: Bee
Date: 07 Jul 08 - 12:17 PM

hee-hee Bill!

Though the Carlin one is more ghosty than dreamy related. I'd start a ghost thread, but some people are really attached to their ghosts, and we'd end up arguing about religion, and certain people would be all distressed/insulted/angry again....AVOID! AVOID!

Subject: RE: BS: Dreams that Stayed With You
From: Bill D
Date: 07 Jul 08 - 12:08 PM

Ok, don't take MY word for it...


...and while I have your attention

Subject: RE: BS: Dreams that Stayed With You
From: Bee
Date: 03 Jul 08 - 12:32 PM

Thank you, Janie.

Amos, everyone really is an artist, and by extension a poet and a musician. Whether we have the tools, or know how to use the tools, or are even given the opportunity to have or use the tools which are necessary to show other people our art, or poetry or music is another thing entirely.

I was lucky enough to be given carte blanche in organizing a visual art program for preschool children, a program I ran for five uninterrupted years. Now children learn initial drawing skills through the ordinary process of physical and neural development. They begin with random marks; progress as large motor skills improve to long curved up and down from-the-shoulder scribbled lines; then with more fine motor skills draw in addition from the wrist, making circular scribblings.

Every child does this. And one day, in a random tangle of circular markings, the child sees an image every child has impressed on their brain from birth: a face. I've witnessed this eureka moment hundreds of times. It is a young child's great discovery, and they may spend days or weeks just drawing single awkward circles, and if you ask them what it is, those most articulate will identify it as 'mommy'.

The following development is just as predictable, and just as wonderful. They put marks on the face, indicating features. Soon, they add multiple lines off the edge of the circle, indicating limbs, hair, ears. This is the moment in which some adult or older child comes along and says "Oh, you've drawn the sun!" The child hasn't, of course, even thought about the sun - s/he's still trying to draw an important human being. And here is the beginning of art: the child does not stop trying to draw a human figure; soon s/he will be adding a closed object=torso, differentiating legs from arms, refining features and indicating hair. But the idea implanted from without, that the sun can be represented by a drawing of a round face with external marks, which in no way resembles the real sun, barring generic round-ness, is the beginning of understanding the concepts of representational art, and of symbols.

That sun will persist in childrens' art for years, even many adults with little formal or self-directed training will include it if asked to draw a picture.

Whether the sun-drawing child grows up to be a visual artist largely depends on subsequent events. Do their paintings land on the fridge or in the recycle box, are they handed colouring books whose drawings are ego-flatteningly 'better' than their own, are they encouraged by the presence of materials and the praise of others, are they given the opportunity to learn techniques, do they find they love physical games, or music, or reading better than drawing and painting? It's a fact that virtually anyone who wants to can be taught to draw.

My experience leads me to believe that it is within the potential of every human to be an artist or a poet; all of us have within our minds an enormous assemblage of personal and shared symbolic images and connections. In our recollections of our dreams, we realise a little of that potential, become representational artists and evocative poets. We interpret our 'art' as we have learned to, as the child has learned to see the sun along with its mother's face.

I think remembered dreams can be marvellous, powerful, evocative demonstrations of our natural human ability to use symbols to describe self-chosen reality. A Tarot of the brain, informed by self-knowledge and decorated beautifully by the artist within.

Subject: RE: BS: Dreams that Stayed With You
From: Bill D
Date: 03 Jul 08 - 12:17 PM

"are you saying...?"

yup...I am saying such.

"The absurdity of this qualitative contradiction escapes you, apparently."

yup..not a bit absurd.

Old Occam likes my "fundamental mechanistic assumptions" and, aren't your NON-mechanistic assumptions a "a self-propogating loop."?

" "The neurons that hold our conscious memories"..oh, really? How do they do that?""

I am not the one to ask 'how'...experts on brain chemistry are working on that ... but the model is a whole bunch easier to explain than speculative concepts about 'souls'.

But, as I said, we humans are able to 'choose'...somehow... to not like certain explanations and just gravitate to others. Kinda weird, huh?

Subject: RE: BS: Dreams that Stayed With You
From: Amos
Date: 03 Jul 08 - 11:26 AM

SIgh. UNfortunately sir, the deal requires an acceptable explanation. This thread may not be the place for this bit of banter, but your explanation "is as clear as mud but it covers de groun'". There are fundamental mechanistic assumptions built into your proposition and they are a self-proposgating loop. "The neurons that hold our conscious memories"..oh, really? How do they do that? "They take stuff they know from memory, add in stuff that never was - " But now you're talking about LH and Spaw. Are you saying these stalwart creative geniuses are...neurons? That all we know and love about these Puckish generators of high-value codswallop is just a bunch of wet switches flickering on and off? Are you saying, further, that not only the data in memories, vocabulary, and concepts but even the very act of perception, the instant of understanding, the flash of laughter--these are just reassemblages of microscopic bio-electronic blips? The absurdity of this qualitative contradiction escapes you, apparently.

No sir, your explanation does not explain, and no hat eat I shall for such.

A
A

Subject: RE: BS: Dreams that Stayed With You
From: Bill D
Date: 03 Jul 08 - 11:06 AM

Oh...and when I went into a trance and channeled William of Occam about all this, he approved of my effort...*grin*

Subject: RE: BS: Dreams that Stayed With You
From: Bill D
Date: 03 Jul 08 - 11:03 AM

"The day you can explain how neurons come up with the kind of poetry that appears in these dreams, my hat I eat shall!"

Why Amos...I can 'explain' it as easily as you can explain what a soul is and how something immaterial can create poetry. ☺

If fact, I can explain it easier...recognizing that you can just shrug and dismiss any explanation as not consistent with your ...what's the word? Preconceptions? Wishes? Experiences?...

How do you write poetry or songs or stories when awake? How does Catspaw write Reg Boys stories?...or Little Hawk 'channel' Shane & Chongo? They take stuff they know from memory, add in stuff that never was - as people do when writing fiction, assemble it in ways known to stir our emotional responses in various ways..(oh, MANY various ways!) and present it contexts that are likely to elicit a reaction.

The only way dreams are different is that conscious control is missing. We still have the same memories and conceptual frameworks of how 'what was' can be reassembled and combined with 'what might be', much as imaginative fiction is written. (and this, combined with help from drugs, is how "Xanadu" was written. Would that Coleridge had not been interrupted before his memory of the dream faded.

   Those neurons that hold our concious memories, and which we access every day to remember our route to work, and how to make toast, and how to make a barred F...are always there. They just write 'different' poetry when we fall asleep after having a bad day at work and in the commute, or having burned the toast, or are working on a tune where a barred F just doesn't work.....and thousands of other items from our complex waking hours that get stirred about in those fuzzy hours when our brains are processing semi-randomly.

I could expand on this, but *shrug*... you either accept the basic idea or, as I suspect, you do not.
One of the most interesting parts of being human is our ability to 'believe' stuff that has little evidence to support it. The very same proclivity that allows us to take religion or Astrology seriously also allows us to presume that certain mental 'experiences' support reincarnation, precognition and a host of other ideas and superstitions in general....and to pick & choose among them and 'believe' in different sets of them than your neighbors do!

So...there, I have explained it. That hat you wear to the Getaway is pretty nice, so I won't even ask you to eat IT. I'll provide a small, cheap hat this October.....you need ketchup or anything?

Subject: RE: BS: Dreams that Stayed With You
From: Janie
Date: 03 Jul 08 - 12:06 AM

Bee,

I meant to say earlier that I thought your June 25 (just after 1:00 am) description of what goes on with dreaming was most elegant.

Janie

Subject: RE: BS: Dreams that Stayed With You
From: Janie
Date: 02 Jul 08 - 11:57 PM

I have an infrequently recurring dream that incorporates being caught in a spider's web, either in my human form or as an insect, and also struggling to emerge from either a chrysalis or cicada shell. The way these elements are juxtaposed varies, and the dream always involves terror, helplessness, and wonder.

Subject: RE: BS: Dreams that Stayed With You
From: Joe_F
Date: 02 Jul 08 - 09:40 PM

3 June 2008:

I wanted to die, so I committed a murder, and my head was chopped off. But I was annoyed to wake the next morning still alive. A woman passed by my bed, and I said, Hey, my head is still on. She explained that a woman named Tippy had stood in for me -- but she was still alive too.

Subject: RE: BS: Dreams that Stayed With You
From: Amos
Date: 01 Jul 08 - 10:22 PM

Yeah, Bill, we all know what a devout materialist you are!! :D

The day you can explain how neurons come up with the kind of poetry that appears in these dreams, my hat I eat shall!


A

Subject: RE: BS: Dreams that Stayed With You
From: Bee
Date: 01 Jul 08 - 09:07 PM

"I wonder if LSD would help? "

Depends on what you mean by 'help'.

And similar results can be had by drinking Lime Ricky and eating cheese sandwiches shortly before hitting the pillow.

Subject: RE: BS: Dreams that Stayed With You
From: Bill D
Date: 01 Jul 08 - 08:57 PM

"...it ahows the goings-on just on the other side of the great boundary between the soul and the commonly-held universe of spacetime.


ummm...sure. I thought it just showed what funny patterns our neurons fire in when we are not monitoring them conciously and old memories get mixed with daily concerns.

Ah, well...I guess that accepting that 2nd hand soul from that used soul dealer in Hoboken condemned me to a life of vanilla spacetime.

    I wonder if LSD would help?

Subject: RE: BS: Dreams that Stayed With You
From: Donuel
Date: 01 Jul 08 - 05:02 PM

The genisis dream.

The ice age dream

the nuclear dream




frogprince, you may have merely moved into a parellel time line.

The longer you live the more you might notice the "errors"
;>)

Subject: RE: BS: Dreams that Stayed With You
From: Amos
Date: 01 Jul 08 - 04:52 PM

Hell, think of the nightmares the poor squirrels have!! Bunches of flat-assed bipeds towering over them, throwing rocks, fire-sticks, and screaming raucously...gaaaaah!! It would wake you out of the deepest hibernation!! Furless glaring white faces and pink mouths with huge teeth in them, galloping toward you. ANd those dogs!!! BEstial carnivorous dopes on ropes!!! Ods acorns, what misery!



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Subject: RE: BS: Dreams that Stayed With You
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 01 Jul 08 - 02:05 PM

Like squirrels... I hate them with their bushy tails and pointy teeth.....


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