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Subject: over 250 new PLACES photos at Art'sPlace
From: Art Thieme
Date: 12 Jul 08 - 12:34 PM

Folks,

BKLick has been working overtime to get my blurbs and labels on 250 or so new slides of some of the PLACES I'VE RAMBLED up in cyberspace at his good website. As always, you can view all of those, plus the ones already there, at:

http://rudegnu.com/art_thieme.html

For 'user name' and 'password' just put in the word 'mudcat' for both. That'll get you in.

Amazingly, the Museum Of American History at the Smithsonian Institution in Washington D.C.--USA found my photos on line, thanks to Mr. Bruce Kallick, and they requested I allow them to archive the original slides from my years on the folk scene here. Those slides were sent to them about 3 weeks ago.

I do hope you might enjoy some of the new ones now up on the site.

Art Thieme


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Subject: RE: over 250 new PLACES photos at Art'sPlace
From: katlaughing
Date: 12 Jul 08 - 01:32 PM

Thanks, Bruce and Art! Incredible shots, Art. I esp. was fascinated by the starfish opening the mussel. I've never seen them do that, nor knew that's what they did with their *arms*!

Congrats on getting your slides sent to the Smithosonian. That's is so wonderful!

luvyakat


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Subject: RE: over 250 new PLACES photos at Art'sPlace
From: maeve
Date: 13 Jul 08 - 06:03 AM

See: We're not the only ones who recognise that you and your lifes works are treasures. How wonderful!

maeve


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Subject: RE: over 250 new PLACES photos at Art'sPlace
From: Art Thieme
Date: 16 Jul 08 - 01:15 AM

refresh


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Subject: RE: over 250 new PLACES photos at Art'sPlace
From: Uncle Phil
Date: 16 Jul 08 - 08:35 AM

Thanks for the refresh, I was away and missed this last week. I started enjoying looking the photos this morning and will continue this evening.
- Phil


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Subject: RE: over 250 new PLACES photos at Art'sPlace
From: Art Thieme
Date: 16 Jul 08 - 04:22 PM

Phil, thanks.
Art


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Subject: RE: over 250 new PLACES photos at Art'sPlace
From: Uncle Phil
Date: 17 Jul 08 - 08:05 AM

Great stuff, Art – the pictures and the stories.

The pictures from Okemah caught my eye since I was there last week. The town seems less leery of Woody than you found it in '86. The main road into town from I-40 is now Woody Guthrie Blvd, and there is a modest statue in a park on Broadway. The town still looks like it does in your photos. The foundation is about all that remains of the old home site, the "Guthrie Hole", but there is a chainsaw sculpture in the yard to mark the location.
- Phil


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Subject: RE: over 250 new PLACES photos at Art'sPlace
From: Art Thieme
Date: 17 Jul 08 - 09:50 PM

Phil, That day I spent there in Okemah was simply amazing. Total strangers gave me a time I won't forget. And I'm glad I took the time to write to Jerry Rasmussen about that experience in '86. I also put that reminiscence as an added on "more" addendum to one of those pictures. Writing it out seems to have cauterized it in my mind--if ya know what I mean.

Art


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Subject: RE: over 250 new PLACES photos at Art'sPlace
From: katlaughing
Date: 17 Jul 08 - 10:06 PM

Just had more of a look, Art. I love that you've added so many comments. And, first time for me to see some of the Patons' house! Those reels are collectors items and maybe oughta be in the Smithsonian alongside your photos! Whew! The history there! I loved your fenceline in the Wind River...made me a little homesick for ol' Wyoming. And, Banff and the Hoodoos...don't they look like space aliens turned to stone when they looked back like Lot's wife? Or, somesuch. I could go on, but it would take hours...which is what I could spend just looking and reading. You are a Treasure, Dear One!

luvyakat


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Subject: RE: over 250 new PLACES photos at Art'sPlace
From: Art Thieme
Date: 17 Jul 08 - 10:19 PM

Kat---I found out recently that "hoodoos" is an actual geologic designation for that kind of an amazing erosion remnant --- a pillar that stands there majestically against the sky and is capped by a solid stone. Everything has been worn away by time and water and wind and other forces to allow the levels of the pillar to show what went down for the last 10,000 years and more. It's like the various telling layers into the depths of the rand Canyon.



Banf is really pretty amazing! We had to hike quite a way back into the mountains in order to see those. I remember being exhausted, but it was great to get there finally and see that.

Arthur


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Subject: RE: over 250 new PLACES photos at Art'sPlace
From: Art Thieme
Date: 17 Jul 08 - 10:34 PM

Over time, Bruce K. will be taking many of those comments I have put with the photos and convert them into the (MORE) comments that are attached to a given photo. After the viewer clicks on one of the thumbnail photos it will enlarge it and bring up my extended comments on what the photos are all about. Many have the longer comments, while some only have a general title blurb.

One of the photos there is of a rather nondescript granite marker that looks like it has been pretty much defaced! Actually it has been shot at repeatedly by guys with shotguns. The monument marks the spot where the Charlie Birger gang had their hideout in 1920s in Williamson County, Illinois. My comments recount quite a bit "MORE" of that sad era's story.

Art


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Subject: RE: over 250 new PLACES photos at Art'sPlace
From: GUEST,hg
Date: 18 Jul 08 - 12:03 AM

Hi Art,
I just peeked at your new photos and I saw Susan Boyer Haley's early photo from Missouri! I see Susan regularly at Florida folk events since she is now in Florida........We like each others singing! Do you have any of her CD's?

harpy
(I don't like those little red lines, much)


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Subject: RE: over 250 new PLACES photos at Art'sPlace
From: Azizi
Date: 18 Jul 08 - 12:59 AM

Art, I just visited that website, and added a comment to a photo. I didn't know that the comment would show underneath it and if guests are supposed to do that. If not, I apologize, but I just wanted to thank you for that collecting that photo [or did you take it yourself?} and for compiling the entire photo collection {I've not viewed even a 1/4th of them yet...So I have more pleasure ahead of me, I'm sure.

The comment I made was in regards to an artist I don't know-I'll have to learn about him. But it was the image of a little girl playing the guitar on stage with him that resonated with me. Here's what I wrote:


FILE 82/584

A quite young Bookmiller Shannon (banjo) -- and an even younger friend -- in Mountain View, Arkansas. Photo by Ernie Deane (courtesy of Arkansan Dale Rose). You can view Ernie Deane's 7,000 Arkansas photos at http://www.ark-ives.com

Guest_Azizi Powell      [Jul 17, 2008 at 11:48 PM]

I love the photo of the performer with the little girl. She might not remember this experience, but the photograph is there to help her remember how she performed on stage with a famous person. Who knows that might have inspired her to be a musician/singer too! Thanks for sharing this with the world!


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Subject: RE: over 250 new PLACES photos at Art'sPlace
From: Azizi
Date: 18 Jul 08 - 01:39 AM

Oops! The musician & the little girl were playing banjos.

I'm glad I didn't make that mistake in my comment posted with the photo.


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Subject: RE: over 250 new PLACES photos at Art'sPlace
From: BK Lick
Date: 18 Jul 08 - 02:28 AM

Hmm -- looks like a guitar to these old eyes.
And yes, comments are very welcome, often as not eliciting an Artful response.
—BK


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Subject: RE: over 250 new PLACES photos at Art'sPlace
From: Azizi
Date: 18 Jul 08 - 07:05 AM

BK Lick, thanks for confirming that it's fine to write comments about those photographs. I guess I knew that, but I didn't didn't know that visitor comments would show up beneath the photo for public viewing.

**   

With regard to the instruments being played {or in the case of the little girl, pretending to being played}, I went back to view that photo again. Bookmiller Shannon is playing a banjo and the little girl is playing a guitar.

**

Perhaps I'm the only one here who didn't know anything about Bookmiller Shannon. But, in case there are others, I'm going to take the liberty of reposting an article about that renown banjo player. This is the entire article with the exception of its ending reminder about a scheduled radio program of his music that was held the week this article was released:

"Carlos "Bookmiller" Shannon, born on Cow Mountain, Jan. 16, 1908, played the five-string banjo with fellow Stone County native Jimmie "Driftwood" Morris, among others in the area. In October 1959 in Timbo, Shannon recorded several banjo solos for Alan Lomax.
The sessions were coordinated with the help of Driftwood; Driftwood's father, Neal Morris, and folklorist John Quincy Adams. Lomax also recorded folk performers in Landis and Herpel. Driftwood's father also gathered players, performed himself and offered this commentary — courtesy of his own Arkansas father, also a teacher: "Dad [said] music had no end. That you could learn all the other guy learned, and after you got that down, then something else would crop up ... that's why music advanced ... that it would fit the time in which they lived. They said music grew like the grapevine that is never pruned, that each year it put on a little bit more."

"Bookmiller" Shannon was the only performer recorded during the North Arkansas sessions not born in the 19th century, but he still pulled out some good examples of what was becoming popular in the United States as "folk music."

The song "Buffalo Gals," recorded by Shannon and endemic enough in American culture to be prominently featured in the 1947 movie "It's a Wonderful Life," dates to minstrel days. The wonderfully titled "Down in Arkansas Among the Sticks" was later immortalized on the long-running country music TV show "Hee-Haw."

The origins of "Cotton-Eyed Joe," are murky. It's a dance, a song — and may have been a real person. And what does it mean to be "cotton-eyed"? The "Cotton-Eyed Joe" has been used in both black and white square dance halls for many decades.

Some say "The Eighth of January" was composed to commemorate the War of 1812; others say the tune may have already been in existence and merely renamed for the U.S. victory over Britain.

"Bookmiller" Shannon recorded his banjo version of "The Eighth of January," but the tune has special meaning for Jimmie Driftwood, as he took the basic melody and crafted it into his "Battle of New Orleans." Coincidentally, Driftwood's song was a hit the same year Lomax's ancient-sounding field recordings were made.

"In the dark and tangled hills of the state of Arkansas," Lomax wrote after making his recordings, "the approved mode of conduct was nonconformism, whether this meant a life of train robbing like Jesse James or simply of reciting songs and bawdy stories." But "Bookmiller" Shannon let his banjo tell his stories. He died June 28, 1985, his five-string banjo techniques studied and lauded across America.

http://arktimes.com/Articles/ArticleViewer.aspx?ArticleID=54620419-e756-4a33-a1f0-1eb7b8249254

**

Also, here's a link to a interview Bookmiller Shannon gave to a school student:
http://www.lyon.edu/wolfcollection/songs/shannoninterview1305.html


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Subject: RE: over 250 new PLACES photos at Art'sPlace
From: Art Thieme
Date: 18 Jul 08 - 01:11 PM

Azizi,
Thanks so much. There are other hotos I took of Bookmiller Shannon 1n 1967 when Carol and I went down to Arkansas for the folk festival. Those were taken probably 30 years AFTER that photo you wrote your good comment about. Ernie Deane of Arkansas took the one you are speaking about. Most of the photos up there were taken by me, but not that one!

We both came home from that festival after sleeping in Glenn Ohrlin's "bunkhouse" with 200 ticks each. No big deal. It was fun picking 'em off each other. (We were young then. Just a big adventure.)

Art


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Subject: RE: over 250 new PLACES photos at Art'sPlace
From: GUEST,DWR
Date: 18 Jul 08 - 05:06 PM

Gosh, I'll have to alert Arkie to this thread. He knew Bookmiller Shannon well. The little girl in the photo is Book's grand daughter, Debbie Batton, so she had ample opportunity to remember playing on stage with him. She played with him for quite a number of years.


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Subject: RE: over 250 new PLACES photos at Art'sPlace
From: Arkie
Date: 18 Jul 08 - 06:13 PM

Had an email from Dale about this thread. Somehow I had missed it. What a great collection of photos and a wonderful thing to share them.

Debbie Batten was often on stage with her grandfather. She and her mother were also jig dancers. I do not know if Debbie is still in the are or if she has continued to play music, but Bookmiller's influence in Stone County, Arkansas is still strong through the playing of Judy Klinkhammer and others. One of the reasons Judy gives for teaching banjo is because Book taught her.

Azizi, thanks for posting the two links to articles on Bookmiller. I had not seen either. The Folklorist from Arkansas mentioned should be John Quincy Wolf. The recordings he made of Ozark singers and musicians are available on the internet and have been cited on Mudcat frequently.


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Subject: RE: over 250 new PLACES photos at Art'sPlace
From: Azizi
Date: 18 Jul 08 - 08:11 PM

You're welcome, Arkie. I've read a little about Bookmiller Shannon and now I've got to hear some of his recordings.

Best wishes to you and to Debbie Batten!


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Subject: RE: over 250 new PLACES photos at Art'sPlace
From: gnu
Date: 19 Jul 08 - 04:17 AM

Wow!


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Subject: RE: over 250 new PLACES photos at Art'sPlace
From: Uncle Phil
Date: 21 Jul 08 - 09:38 AM

Say, I was wondering how you digitized large numbes of your slides and preserved the wonderful slide-film color. The reason I ask is that I have boxes full of slides from my parent's house and would like digitize at least some of them to give to other family memebers.
- Phil


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Subject: RE: over 250 new PLACES photos at Art'sPlace
From: katlaughing
Date: 21 Jul 08 - 03:29 PM

Phil, I think he used a scanner. I remember him talking about a great scanner that did slides. I finally got one that does that, too, after hearing about Art's.


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Subject: RE: over 250 new PLACES photos at Art'sPlace
From: Uncle Phil
Date: 21 Jul 08 - 10:26 PM

Thanks, Kat. I talked to my son, the photographer, after I posted the question and it turns out he has a slide scanner that will digitize small batches of slides. Sounds like exactly what I need.
- Phil


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