The Working Class Music Festival 19-21 Sept 08(UK)

Subject: The Working Class Music Festival - Liverpool
From: GUEST,JoRed69
Date: 13 Jul 08 - 12:42 PM

Liverpool Working Class Music Festival 2008 takes place from Friday 19th September to Sunday 21st September 2008 at The New Picket in Liverpool.

Billed as a musical celebration of the experiences of working people, it is part of the TUC's contribution to Liverpool's Capital of Culture celebrations.

The weekend brings together the very best of Britain's radical and subversive songwriters.

Featuring

DICK GAUGHAN
THE MEN THEY COULDN'T HANG
ROY BAILEY
LEON ROSSELSON
ATTILA THE STOCKBROKER
THE ALUN PARRY BAND
ROBB JOHNSON
TRACEY CURTIS
AIDAN JOLLY
CLAIRE MOONEY
CHANJE KUNDA
YOUNG KOF
AL BAKER

Just £25 for a weekend ticket to see all of these outstanding radical songwriters.

For full schedule and more details, visit http://www.workingclassmusic.org.uk

Subject: RE: The Working Class Music Festival
From: GUEST,Amalgamated Union of Thatchers & Stirrers
Date: 13 Jul 08 - 01:06 PM

Will working class tories be celebrated in song at this gathering? I personally come from a long line of them, but we seem to be written out of folk history by the Brothers and Sisters. When yet another member of the Establishment in the guise of a sociology lecturer begins to sing about dear old Che Guavara to rapt attention from the horny handed sons of toil (a.k.a teachers) I begin to smirk then yawn. Could this be one of the reasons that folk clubs are so poorly attended these days? The chip on shoulder politics hasn't moved on for decades - despite the failure of socialism east and west. As that old rogue Silvio said not too long ago: "The Left loves the poor so much that it creates more of them every time it gets into power". Now there's a theme for a song for Roy Bailey or Dick Gaughan...

Subject: RE: The Working Class Music Festival
From: Folkiedave
Date: 13 Jul 08 - 01:16 PM

When yet another member of the Establishment in the guise of a sociology lecturer begins to sing about dear old Che Guavara to rapt attention from the horny handed sons of toil (a.k.a teachers) I begin to smirk then yawn. Could this be one of the reasons that folk clubs are so poorly attended these days?

Nice to know you still go to folk clubs though. Keep up the good work.

Incidentally which of those artists is a sociology lecturer?

Subject: RE: The Working Class Music Festival
From: GUEST,Amalgamated Union of Thatchers & Stirrers
Date: 13 Jul 08 - 01:32 PM

Prof. Roy Bailey, MBE(ret.) is/was an Emeritus Professor of Social Studies. That's what makes him so .... radical. You may have seen him singing charming parlour songs to the narration of the second Viscount Stansgate :-) When you are such a member of the Establishment does singing anti-Establishment songs amount to self-hatred? I think we should be told ....

Subject: RE: The Working Class Music Festival
From: Tim Leaning
Date: 13 Jul 08 - 02:03 PM

WIll it be good though?
Liverpool is a long way from here(center of the universe us)
and if its gonna be just like all the other money fests for middle england (Cropredy etc) I would rather not risk me hubcaps

Subject: RE: The Working Class Music Festival
From: Gedpipes
Date: 13 Jul 08 - 02:07 PM

Centre please
Sociology lecherer

Subject: RE: The Working Class Music Festival
From: Peter Beta
Date: 13 Jul 08 - 03:23 PM

I saw Leon Rossellson play at my local club a few years back, and he WAS certainly subversive; in as much as he subverted any expectation his paying audience may've had that his performance would be competent, tuneful or well put-together...still, he left with my five quid so I guess he had the last laugh (who says socialism doesn't pay...:)

Roy Bailey, on the other hand, I could listen to all day.

Subject: RE: The Working Class Music Festival
From: Folkiedave
Date: 13 Jul 08 - 03:56 PM

Roy Bailey began life as a cash register salesman and worked his way downwards. He gave his MBE back as you say. Like most people who accept theses baubles, Martin Carthy, Aly Bain, Shirley Collins, Norma Waterson to name a few, I understand they tend to do it so the music gets recognition and not for themselves.

Being a professor of social studies does not make him a sociology lecturer (which as far as I know he never was). However you are clearly not one to let the facts spoil a good story.

Subject: RE: The Working Class Music Festival
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 13 Jul 08 - 04:04 PM

That's a lot of people to see in one day - are they doing ten minutes each?

Subject: RE: The Working Class Music Festival 19-21 Sept 08(UK)
From: Big Mick
Date: 13 Jul 08 - 05:02 PM

Tories......Labor. Republicans.......Democrats. Orange card.......Race card. When the hell will working stiffs stop allowing the capitalists to separate them based on labels????? Don't you folks see that we must focus on who we have the most in common with? When one sees the wealth centralizing in fewer and fewer hands, and still sees workers voting against their economic self interest just so they vote for the right party, it is disheartening. Time for workers to focus on what we have in common and not what the capitalists want us to focus on. Forget the parties, forget where they say their prayers, and concentrate on your families well being.

Mick

Subject: RE: The Working Class Music Festival 19-21 Sept 08(UK)
From: glueman
Date: 13 Jul 08 - 05:23 PM

Have to confess I've never understood the idea of a working class Tory except in a comedy context. Mind you some people pay dearly to let an overweight cross lady in foundation garments whack them with sticks, others on poverty pay voted for Thatcher - repeatedly.

Seminal working class songs : Agadoo, Mull of Kintyre, Hi-Ho Silver Lining.

Subject: RE: The Working Class Music Festival 19-21 Sept 08(UK)
From: glueman
Date: 13 Jul 08 - 05:32 PM

The Answers:

Agadoo - Labour
Mulligan's Tyre - Liberal Democrat
Hi-Ho Silver Lining - Tory young farmer's knee trembler anthem round the back of the John Deere

Subject: RE: The Working Class Music Festival 19-21 Sept 08
From: Betsy
Date: 13 Jul 08 - 08:06 PM

Load of ould bollocks for Title " The Working Class Music Festival" what labouring or physical work, have the guest list done in recent years ,(list from Jo Red)
DICK GAUGHAN
THE MEN THEY COULDN'T HANG
ROY BAILEY
LEON ROSSELSON
ATTILA THE STOCKBROKER
THE ALUN PARRY BAND
ROBB JOHNSON
TRACEY CURTIS
AIDAN JOLLY
CLAIRE MOONEY
CHANJE KUNDA
YOUNG KOF
AL BAKER

Fucking hell,with this Thread title the folk movement tears itself apart,when Liverpool is still hanging on to concepts like this, especially when we think of Derek Hatton and his cronies.
Why oh why didn't it call itself Liverpool , Cultural City , collection of songs of working people through the ages.
Why the "class " word - we're all trying to make our way through this life , give it a rest - Not for me .

Subject: RE: The Working Class Music Festival 19-21 Sept 08(UK)
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 14 Jul 08 - 08:48 AM

Is there a Tolpuddle thread?

Subject: RE: The Working Class Music Festival 19-21 Sept 08
From: Gervase
Date: 14 Jul 08 - 05:17 PM

Aye, I imagine that the majority of the audience will be middle class (and most of them teachers, local government workers or something in IT), while the venue staff, caterers, sparks and whatever will provide the working class element.
Five will get you 10 that the title was not dreamed up by a C2/D/E.

Subject: RE: The Working Class Music Festival 19-21 Sept 08(UK)
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 14 Jul 08 - 05:20 PM

Yo dude - maybe by a member of the TUC?

Subject: RE: The Working Class Music Festival 19-21 Sept 08(UK)
From: GUEST,In My Humble Opinion
Date: 14 Jul 08 - 05:22 PM

I'll give this one a pass I think. I really suspicious when anything is advertised as working class this or that. The organisers probably aren't, the audience definitely won't be and as Gervase has already stated, the only 'workers" will be the catering staff etc. No, this sort of thing is definitely not for me.

Subject: RE: The Working Class Music Festival 19-21 Sept 08(UK)
From: Geordie-Peorgie
Date: 14 Jul 08 - 06:58 PM

One things for certain!

If it's Liverpool then somebody's ganna steal the show!

Subject: RE: The Working Class Music Festival 19-21 Sept 08
From: Mooh
Date: 14 Jul 08 - 07:10 PM

I am merely a blue collar folkie who can't afford to go. Sigh.

Peace, Mooh.

Subject: RE: The Working Class Music Festival 19-21 Sept 08(UK)
From: Tim Leaning
Date: 15 Jul 08 - 03:07 PM

"Is there a Tolpuddle thread?"

Bloody hell!
Its bad enough theres Tolbridges and tolmotorways
I for one wound be paying to step iin a puddle.
Errrrr
Is there a Toldrybit round the puddle?
Sorry I took this to be a humerous thread
Hope that is right and gud lukk wiv the music.

Subject: RE: The Working Class Music Festival 19-21 Sept 08(UK)
From: danensis
Date: 16 Jul 08 - 08:06 AM

When you see what they've done to the centre of Liverpool, you realise its no longer a working class city. Many of the buildings that made it unique have been demolished to make way for shops, apartments and coffee houses that can be found in every other city centre "development" around the country.

Curiously this weekend is also the Mensa AGM in Liverpool, so that should make for an interesting mix.

Subject: RE: The Working Class Music Festival 19-21 Sept 08(UK)
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 16 Jul 08 - 08:11 AM

I hope you are not implying that the working class are ipso facto stupid.

Subject: RE: The Working Class Music Festival 19-21 Sept 08(UK)
From: theleveller
Date: 16 Jul 08 - 08:18 AM

Eh? What's ipso facto mean?

Subject: RE: The Working Class Music Festival 19-21 Sept 08(UK)
From: Vin2
Date: 16 Jul 08 - 09:13 AM

Nicely put Big Mick. The current Labour (New Tory) party seems to think that being electable (which means selling your soul to the Murdochs of this planet) is all that matters and to hell with principles. Yes danensis, do look at Liverpool centre or Manchester or any other modern city these days and we'd be forgiven for thinking working class is a bygone term but remember it is bricklayers, carpenters, electricians, labourers, plumbers, painters etc etc i.e those of the working 'class' who built it all as they built the old buildings way back (as oppposed to those who actually own it and profit by it)