Teachers & Folk Music

Subject: RE: Teachers & Folk Music
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 14 Jul 08 - 11:49 PM

Are you an ex-teacher, Terry?

Subject: RE: Teachers & Folk Music
From: Leadfingers
Date: 14 Jul 08 - 09:23 PM

There are occasions when I actually agree with the people who think Guest Posts should be banned !
IF Shimrod was a member , I could send him / her / it / a Personal Message , rather than clutter an already cluttered thread saying what a Pratt I think He /She / It / is !

Subject: RE: Teachers & Folk Music
From: Peace
Date: 14 Jul 08 - 07:42 PM

Well, finite in an allegorical sense. For indeed, what IS life?

Subject: RE: Teachers & Folk Music
From: GUEST,TJ in San Diego
Date: 14 Jul 08 - 07:23 PM

Shimrod may have hit on something. I have seen this "classroom" phenomenon many times. It's the old "Girl Scout Campfire" approach (which may be fine for old Girl Scouts), but not for me, thank you.

I don't know where the young people who go into teaching have this "gee whiz, let's all clap hands and sing Kumbaya!" stuff inculcated into their brains. The real issues is, though, that many don't just talk down to adults, they talk down to their students in the classroom. It's not the root cause, obviously, but it is one of the subtle ways we have of "dumbing down" our students, a worsening scenario year to year. Few succeed where so little is expected.

Singing and instrumental music should be taught with high expectations, credible expertise and a certain joy in the music itself. Treating your sixth grade students (and their parents) like kindergartaners is both selfish and unproductive.

Subject: RE: Teachers & Folk Music
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 14 Jul 08 - 07:18 PM

No Al, that'd be "Teacher's"

Subject: RE: Teachers & Folk Music
From: GUEST,Peace
Date: 14 Jul 08 - 07:05 PM

For the record, I like Shimrod. Always have. We just need to have these little set-tos now and then to realize life is finite.

Subject: RE: Teachers & Folk Music
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 14 Jul 08 - 06:54 PM

not about whisky then.....

Subject: RE: Teachers & Folk Music
From: Geordie-Peorgie
Date: 14 Jul 08 - 06:49 PM

Aah thowt it wez 'Horse's Branle' but pronounced 'Brawl' or hev aah got the wrang tune?

Thank you Chris! Just when ye think that there's nee courtesy left in the world - WALLOP! That's capital and aah'll remember that.

Now if aah can only get the apo'stro'phe's's in the reet places wel'l be laug'hin'

Subject: RE: Teachers & Folk Music
From: oggie
Date: 14 Jul 08 - 06:45 PM

Pete Coe, Roger Watson, Tony Rose. Teachers all :)

There are good and bad in all walks of life.

Steve

Subject: RE: Teachers & Folk Music
From: GUEST,Chris Murray
Date: 14 Jul 08 - 06:10 PM

Wanker should only have a capital W if it's Mr Wanker.

Subject: RE: Teachers & Folk Music
From: Tootler
Date: 14 Jul 08 - 05:53 PM

Shimrod, face it. You're a boring old fart :-)


Welcome to the club.

Geoff

Subject: RE: Teachers & Folk Music
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 14 Jul 08 - 05:18 PM

Nah, dictionary beer.

I will 4deffo be there the opening weekend, then pressure of work bending my briefs may drag me away...

There's a rock band from Gravesend called "Star Chamber". No lawyers in it.

Subject: RE: Teachers & Folk Music
From: mattkeen
Date: 14 Jul 08 - 04:01 PM

Nothing wrong with recorders
Try Horses Brawl

Subject: RE: Teachers & Folk Music
From: Geordie-Peorgie
Date: 14 Jul 08 - 03:46 PM

Hell's teeth Mr Bridge! Dictionary pudd'n' for breakfast?

There must be summat in these threads aboot solicitors and sea-shanties!

Did ye knaah that there's a pub in Soothampton caalled 'The Bent Brief'

Are ye gannin' te Broadstairs this year?? Aa'm ganna be on crutches like a REAL pirate!

Subject: RE: Teachers & Folk Music
From: Naemanson
Date: 14 Jul 08 - 03:29 PM

I'm a teacher and I do folk. I like to do Lou and Peter Berryman's It's Better Than That, You Can't Be a Pirate With All of Your Parts, Merry Mac, and Henery the Eighth. No hand movements required.

And I agree with you about those who do that. They need to be aware of their audience.

Subject: RE: Teachers & Folk Music
From: GUEST,Shimrod
Date: 14 Jul 08 - 02:58 PM

Up yours, Peace!

Give me a moment and I'm sure that I can come up with a suitable action ...

Subject: RE: Teachers & Folk Music
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 14 Jul 08 - 02:54 PM

Hi John's dad. No, teachers say "onanist".

Subject: RE: Teachers & Folk Music
From: Kev The Clogs
Date: 14 Jul 08 - 02:51 PM

Yeah Hoff, but I was trying to be "professional" and give her the benefit of the doubt!!! (no, sod it, you're right!!! - perhaps I'm the unsual one!!!)

Subject: RE: Teachers & Folk Music
From: Geordie-Peorgie
Date: 14 Jul 08 - 02:50 PM

Well said, Peace! - But shouldn't wanker have a capital 'W' ?

Aah wadn't knaah - not bein' a teacher, like!

Subject: RE: Teachers & Folk Music
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 14 Jul 08 - 02:49 PM

Down with the pedagogic gerontocracy (as we used to say in my youth).

Come on Kev, we know another teacher, one who teaches music, don't we?

Subject: RE: Teachers & Folk Music
From: Peace
Date: 14 Jul 08 - 02:37 PM

I ain't a folk singer but I do go on stage and I do NOT talk down to the people who are there--unless the stage is very high up. The premise is insulting.

Subject: RE: Teachers & Folk Music
From: Kev The Clogs
Date: 14 Jul 08 - 02:35 PM

I'm a teacher (and I only admit that to people I trust - so that's all of my fellow folkies!!)

I'm guessing that they mean well, but that they have forgotten that folkies are actually quite normal and intelligent people!!!

When I'm doing folkie stuff (or trying to push it) I get then to listen to some good stuff, watch a video of my lot Morris Dancing, tell them about the drinking and the generally great crack that we have when we are out.

Come and say hello at point if you see me, and we'll appreciate folk for adults over a beer!!

Have a great season people :-)

Kev

Subject: RE: Teachers & Folk Music
From: GUEST,Peace
Date: 14 Jul 08 - 02:30 PM

Piss off ya old wanker!

Subject: RE: Teachers & Folk Music
From: Leadfingers
Date: 14 Jul 08 - 02:28 PM

The Day Job of a performer has NOTHING to do with their ability as an Entertainer ! As I recall , at the Height of their Folk Fame , The High Level Ranters were ALL Schoolteachers , in fact I recall a comment that Johnny Handle spent all day teaching kids to Speak 'proper' English , then went out and cashed in on his Geordie accent and Dialect !

Subject: RE: Teachers & Folk Music
From: Bert
Date: 14 Jul 08 - 01:52 PM

You're just too old shimrod!!!

What you need is a good dose of kids and their songs. Lighten up, let your hair down and sing instead of complaining.

I know 'cos I went through a phase like you're going through some years ago, then I grew up and now I sing kids songs all the time. Maybe the grandkids help. Grandpa's are supposed to roll around on the floor with kids and act silly.

So get yourself a couple before it's too late, and start enjoying life.

Subject: RE: Teachers & Folk Music
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 14 Jul 08 - 01:50 PM

Recorder can rock, diddle, or wail depending on who's doing what with it. Or it can make annoying polite toots.

Subject: RE: Teachers & Folk Music
From: glueman
Date: 14 Jul 08 - 01:43 PM

I feel your pain. What is it with teachers and folk?

Subject: Teachers & Folk Music
From: GUEST,Shimrod
Date: 14 Jul 08 - 01:40 PM

Yet again I've attended a so-called 'Folk Evening' and been patronised by a load of school teachers with guitars - and, wait for it - a recorder! Oh yes, and a sodding great accordian - which sounded like musical mush.

And yet again I was treated like a six year old and expected to wave my arms around - songs with actions! I wanted to scream, "I'll be 60 next birthday - not 6! I've got a degree, a mortgage and a lot of life experience! And I don't wave my f**king arms around for anyone - and especially not for a bunch of boring, anodyne, patronising tw*ts like you!!"

But I didn't, of course, I just finished my beer and left.

Seriously, though, should teachers be allowed to sing folk songs - should they even be allowed out the classroom without a signed affidavit stating that they will refrain from treating adults like infants?