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Subject: Paul Clayton biography coming in Sept
From: GUEST,Bob Coltman
Date: 25 Jul 08 - 08:56 AM

Hi all -- there's been considerable interest here and elsewhere in a Paul Clayton biography. One will appear in just over a month. I checked with Joe Offer and he says this is allowable promotion, so --

This is to announce to the Mudcat/Digital Tradition community the September publication of my biography of Paul Clayton by Scarecrow Press. I've received help from some of you and your threads on this subject, for which many thanks, and Digital Tradition is credited in the book.

It is listed on Amazon and can be pre-ordered. Here's the Scarecrow announcement:

http://www.scarecrowpress.com/Catalog/SingleBook.shtml?command=Search&db=%5EDB/CATALOG.db&eqSKUdata=0810861321

Paul Clayton and the Folksong Revival
Series: American Folk Music and Musicians Series #10
Bob Coltman
List Price: $55.00
Discounted Price: $46.75 (15% off)
ISBN: 0-8108-6132-1
ISBN-13: 978-0-8108-6132-9
Pub Date: Sep 28, 2008
320 pages
Binding: Paper
Availability: Not Yet Published

REVIEWS
"Coltman, writing with obvious love for the time, the music, and the people who made the folk music revival of the mid-1900s a resource for all of us, provides a glimpse into the story of a man often walking the thin line between genius and insanity. As one who lived that era, I relived many times, places, and feelings reading this book. A must-read for old folkies, scholars of the folk revival, and indeed anyone who wants to read a vivid portrait of a man possessed with immeasurable talent and demons who left an indelible footprint on the folk music of his time."" —Ed Trickett, folk recording artist

DESCRIPTION
A scholar and a balladeer, Paul Clayton (1931-1967) composed the #1 hit "Gotta Travel On" and was a key figure in the mid-1950s rise of folksong to media popularity. Clayton single-handedly brought hundreds of obscure folksongs to the mainstream radio and recording market, and he influenced listeners and friends from Dave Van Ronk to Bob Dylan, who considered Clayton a mentor, "mindguard," and well of folksong. Paul Clayton and the Folksong Revival is the first biography of the folk singer and song collector.

Using accounts from friends, family, and fellow musicians, author Bob Coltman relates the breadth and depth of Clayton's extraordinary life, from his birth into a singing family and his teenage years as a radio singer and folksong collector, to his establishment in New York as a folk performer and recording artist, to his tragic early suicide. Clayton's recordings are also examined, interspersed with his insights and adventures as a performer and songwriter in the folk world. Gradually, Clayton's achievements become overwhelmed by his disintegration as a drug user, failing musician, and bipolar gay man, culminating in eyewitness accounts relating to his tragic end.

Presenting an in-depth look at folk music in the 1950s, Coltman illuminates what it meant to be a working, but not starring, folksinger in this period. With quotes from a number of folksongs, a discographic summary, and a bibliography, this volume brings to life this intelligent, perceptive, and largely unknown scholar-folksinger.

ABOUT THE AUTHOR
Bob Coltman is a traditional folksinger, writer, and composer of several folk standards, and has published articles in Old Time Music and JEMFQ. He is a contributor to Exploring Roots Music: Twenty Years of the JEMF Quarterly (Porterfield, ed., Scarecrow Press, 2004).


https://rowman.com/ISBN/9780810861329/Paul-Clayton-and-the-Folksong-Revival


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Subject: RE: Paul Clayton biography coming in Sept
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 25 Jul 08 - 09:28 AM

Bob - I would be very interested in interviewing you about the book for my radio program. If you could e-mail me at wfdutraditions@aol.com perhaps we could discuss it, if you are interested.


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Subject: RE: Paul Clayton biography coming in Sept
From: SINSULL
Date: 25 Jul 08 - 09:38 AM

I have been waiting for this one. Very exciting and about to be pre-ordered.
SINS


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Subject: RE: Paul Clayton biography coming in Sept
From: Art Thieme
Date: 25 Jul 08 - 11:01 AM

Bob,
MANY of us have been awaiting your book--and I am no exception. Like the recent bio of Steve Goodman, this volume will, I'm sure, shed fascinating and valuable light on the man and his whole era. From afar, his example was very important to me.

Art


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Subject: RE: Paul Clayton biography coming in Sept
From: Mary Katherine
Date: 25 Jul 08 - 11:12 AM

Glad to hear that this is on the way. Like Art (and many others) I am looking forward to reading it.


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Subject: RE: Paul Clayton biography coming in Sept
From: Michael S
Date: 25 Jul 08 - 12:41 PM

Best of luck with this. I love books about the many heroes and heroines of the folksong revival. I'm looking forward to this one.

--Michael Scully
--Austin, TX


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Subject: RE: Paul Clayton biography coming in Sept
From: GUEST
Date: 11 Aug 08 - 07:34 AM

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Subject: RE: Paul Clayton biography coming in Sept
From: GUEST,Gerry
Date: 11 Aug 08 - 07:50 PM

This is good news. Now, who's going to write a biography of Bob Coltman?


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Subject: RE: Paul Clayton biography coming in Sept
From: Art Thieme
Date: 11 Aug 08 - 08:11 PM

My order is already in for it.

Art


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Subject: RE: Paul Clayton biography coming in Sept
From: SINSULL
Date: 11 Aug 08 - 10:01 PM

Mine too.


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Subject: RE: Paul Clayton biography coming in Sept
From: SINSULL
Date: 09 Sep 08 - 06:48 PM

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Subject: RE: Paul Clayton biography coming in Sept
From: SINSULL
Date: 22 Sep 08 - 10:02 AM

Mine arrived Friday. Just started reading it. Mudcat plays a very prominent position in the Notes and sources as do a number of Mudcatters. Wonder if it will be the Child of the 22nd Century.


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Subject: RE: Paul Clayton biography coming in Sept
From: Art Thieme
Date: 22 Sep 08 - 02:41 PM

I got my copy two days ago---Saturday. I've been browsing through it and fully intend to start at the beginning (as soon as a finish reading Boxcar Berth's autobiography as told to Dr. Ben Reitman.) Thanks, Bob, for doing this. It does look like this book will shed overdue light on this grand collector and songster. Tangentially, it will document a very large piece of the puzzle that is and was the folk revival in the U.S.A.------------------- I hope yopu sell a ton of these!

Art Thieme


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Subject: RE: Paul Clayton biography coming in Sept
From: Art Thieme
Date: 24 Sep 08 - 02:37 PM

refish


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Subject: RE: Paul Clayton biography coming in Sept
From: SINSULL
Date: 24 Sep 08 - 03:21 PM

I am amused at how tactfully Paul's guitar playing and sense of rhythm are treated. His recordings are sometimes a challenge. LOL I am enjoying this book.
M


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Subject: RE: Paul Clayton biography coming in Sept
From: Mark Ross
Date: 13 Oct 08 - 02:04 PM

I would love to read this book, but it is so DAMNED expensive! Why should a paperback cost that much? The cheapest price I found online was 48 something. I'll have to see if the library will order it. Either that or wait till it's remaindered.


Mark Ross


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Subject: RE: Paul Clayton biography coming in Sept
From: GUEST,Bob Coltman
Date: 25 Oct 08 - 07:16 PM

Mark,

As the author I share your sense of frustration. I would so love it if this could cost $19.95! But Scarecrow is a small academic press and the press run is minimal.

Typically in such cases the prices are forced to run high ... no other way for the press to stay in business with rising production expenses in a small market where sales of a thousand or more copies are practically unheard-of. Thus no opportunity for economics of scale (which sustain the Danielle Steeles of this world) to take hold.

Believe me, I'm making no money on this. No one is. This is a case of more or less breaking even to have the privilege of telling in detail the story of a man who mattered a lot in mid-century folksong and still exercises a spell over many ... despite his, yes, SINSULL, rhythm-challenged (no doubt about it) ways.

Labor of love all around.

Kudos, then, to those who pony up for the price. I hope you will find it will give you a close-up look at a world of professional folksong now long vanished, introducing you to a fascinating singer and personality, and that you will find it worth your money.

And thanks everyone for the good words.

Best wishes,

Bob Coltman


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Subject: RE: Paul Clayton biography coming in Sept
From: Thomas Stern
Date: 25 Oct 08 - 07:49 PM

I posted the item copied below a month ago - on a new thread,
but am moving it to here. The recording does not exhibit
as much of the strangeness (rhythmic challanged) so evident on earlier
recordings, but the arrangements are a bit popsy.....
Congratulations Bob on the publication of your book!
best wishes, thomas.

Subject: Paul Clayton
From: Thomas Stern - PM
Date: 24 Sep 08 - 09:12 PM

As has been mentioned, the monumental biography of Paul Clayton by Bob Coltman is now available (Scarecrow Press),
and his last recordings for Monument (2 LP's and 4 additional songs only on 45rpm) have been issued
complete on 1 cd, also now available (OMNI, Australia). It is available in the US.
http://www.worldwentdown.com/omni/omni120.php
Best wishes, Thomas


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Subject: RE: Paul Clayton biography coming in Sept
From: Art Thieme
Date: 25 Oct 08 - 10:18 PM

I wrote a rather short review of Bob's grand book at Amazon.com. It is a remarkable book and writing it had to be a huge challenge---to give Paul credit when it was due and still take note of some of the sad realities of his life and times in "show biz" as well--. I'll go to Amazon and copy my review and put it here for all to peruse---(completely appropriate since we live in Peru, Illinois--USA. ;-)

Also, there are certain unique parallels between this volume and Kendall Morse's amazing new CD. I just posted a review of that CD at the thread about it that is currently running. I'll pull it and re-post it here too. --- But I can't figure out how to cut and/or copy and paste. All 3 of those are grayed out and not functioning when I click the EDIT drop down menu. These new-fangled machines drive me nuts.

Art


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Subject: RE: Paul Clayton biography coming in Sept
From: GUEST,Peace (Hope you look here first, Art)
Date: 25 Oct 08 - 11:01 PM

The Folk Revival--It's ups and downs, October 19, 2008

By Arthur Thieme "Art Thieme"

Bob Coltman's book on Paul Clayton and his era of the Folk Song Revival in the USA is right on. From where I sat within the revival, he was a valued finder/collector of these songs. As a singer of traditional ballads and story songs, Paul Clayton put the tale in the songs first---even before himself--possibly partially because of his own vocal limitations. --- After reading this illuminating and sad story of his life, I come away feeling that his life might've been happier if he had been satisfied with being what he did best, a singer and interpreter of traditional material. As Bob Coltman analyzes here quite eloquently, the changing musical times and tastes, the intrusion of pop/Beatles/rock/Dylan and all that that entails (made vibrant in these pages) created a gestalt that Paul could not deal with adequately at all. His guilt and self recrimination from being gay in a time when it was not at all accepted in American life, is poignant, tragic, and sadly ironic as we in the 21st century try to live our ideals in a more enlightened way than our forebears ever would consider. His frustrations with the tremendous successes of his "friend" Bob Dylan -- combined with the fact that many who were there felt Bobby had "taken" one of Paul's found songs and made a million selling song when Peter Paul and Mary recorded it. Paul Clayton's life is filled with the ups and deep downs that flesh is heir to---and it's all in this fine biography of a very sensitive bipolar man who, after hitting bottom, saw the only way to end his pain was to end his own life.

Another sad irony is that, in our time, we now have psychiatric drugs to alleviate many of Paul Clayton's symptoms. ---- I met him only once---and he taught me a song -- a vivid and transporting folk song lyric that I sang for the next 30 years. --- Also, listen to Bob Coltman's fine recordings of folk songs -- and especuially his own composed songs like "Lonesome Robin" and "Before They Close The Minstrel Show." You won't be sorry. (I just had to toss that in.---A.T. ;-)

Art Thieme


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Subject: RE: Paul Clayton biography coming in Sept
From: Peace
Date: 25 Oct 08 - 11:13 PM

This is the best truly folk recording I've heard in many years. I have listened to it a half dozen times since it arrived here yesterday. There isn't a song on it that doesn't hit me right where I live.

Say, Kendall, realizing that our music is surely the purest form of what we folksingers do and are, putting this CD together from the best of other years' concerts, ones that were, thankfully, tape recorded at diverse venues over your life, well, I'm certain that you had a ball putting it all together along with the amazing Dennis Cook. (Dennis did the same with my last CD too--and working with him and Judy was a hoot.!) "Field Of The Willows" is an astounding statement from the pen of Dave Goulder. The random pageantry of life's ups and downs inherent in those verses is remarkable. That I should hear that song in the same week I also read Bob Coltman's masterful re-telling of Paul Clayton's life in his new biography (Paul Clayton and the Folksong Revival) is just too wonderfully strange.

In the song list of your CD, Kendall, as you know, are two of the finest songs written by Bob Coltman --- "Lonesome Robin" based on the last of all the Robin Hood ballads-- "Robin Hood's Death" and also his song called "Before They Close The Menstel Show" another "Closing time---gentlemen--please" type of song. Actually, now that I think about it, MOST of these songs on this CD are topically on the subject of loss of various kinds. That said, none of the songs are proverbial 'downers.' They all ARE philosophically insightful though! One of the songs is featured in Bob Coltman's book too! That song is Clayton's own composed song "Who's Gonna Buy You Ribbons When I'm Gone." That is the song Paul Clayton's so-called FRIEND, Bob Dylan, re-wrote to create "Don't Think Twice It's O.K." -- a million seller for Peter, Paul and Mary while Paul Clayton got no credit of any kind.

People, I never heard the Captain sounding better. I've already gone on too long, but I had to say how much we are enjoying this CD.

Love to Kendall and Jacqui --- and to all of you as well!

Art Thieme


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Subject: RE: Paul Clayton biography coming in Sept
From: dick greenhaus
Date: 25 Oct 08 - 11:21 PM

Well CAMSCO will be carrying both the book and the CD. We don't get a big seller's discount on the book, but we can offer it for 10% off list price. I don't have the CD's price as yet, but that too will be discounted.


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Subject: RE: Paul Clayton biography coming in Sept
From: GUEST,Sandy Paton
Date: 26 Oct 08 - 12:38 AM

Congratulations, Bob! You've given us a splendid, sensitive, and extremely well-written book about a significant contributor to the folk "revival." You, my friend, have done yourself proud! I am pleased to have had a hand in its origin.
    Sandy


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Subject: RE: Paul Clayton biography coming in Sept
From: Art Thieme
Date: 26 Oct 08 - 11:57 AM

Peace,
Thanks so much for transporting those postings of mine from there to here, and from here to there. Very much appreciated.

Art


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Subject: RE: Paul Clayton biography coming in Sept
From: SINSULL
Date: 16 Dec 08 - 01:18 PM

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Subject: RE: Paul Clayton biography coming in Sept
From: kendall
Date: 16 Dec 08 - 01:38 PM

Thanks you guys. No, I did not have a good time putting this together, Jacqui did 90% of that, and, I must confess that there were many in the collection that I would have "deep sixed" for poor quality. It's just unbelievable what Dennis Cook did to these songs. The man is a genius.
I hope we sell enough of them to pay royalties!


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Subject: RE: Paul Clayton biography coming in Sept
From: Gibb Sahib
Date: 23 Aug 09 - 08:30 PM

Hi,
I've a little question related to the book by Bob Coltman. He appears as a guest, so I can't PM him. Perhaps if he sees this or, even better, anyone else with info does, he/she will chime in.

I'm hoping to clarify a point where Coltman describes some of the early commercial success of Clayton. The account reads that Clayton moved to the Tradition label in 1956, where he recorded the album WHALING AND SAILING SONGS...   For it, Coltman notes that,

His sources included New Bedford informants and journals kept on three ships...

Coltman then begin the next section, in implied chronological sequence (??) talking about the June 1956 premiere of MOBY DICK. Clayton performed at it.

The songs he'd rescued from obscurity were feted along with the film, and many of the songs he sang during that hullabaloo appeared on the Tradition album.

I'm not sure what songs he "rescued" from obscurity, besides the "Saturday Night at Sea" cited in the text. However, if he had gotten the so-called "Blood Red Roses" from some proprietary or unpublished source, I would consider that a song that was facing obscurity at that time.

What is unclear to me from this is whether that Tradition album appeared before or after the Moby Dick premiere. Anyone know what month the album came in?

My proposal has been that A.L. Lloyd, on his 1956 (I don't know what month) album THE SINGING SAILOR, as well as in MOBY DICK (released in June 56, but naturally in the works earlier on), introduced a new form of "Come Down, You Bunch of Roses," i.e. as "Blood Red Roses," partially reforming it in the process.

I's expect that Clayton's Tradition album came after that Moby Dick premiere shebang, and that his "Blood Red Roses" was based on Lloyd.

If Clayton's album came much earlier, could it have been the reverse, that Lloyd was derivative of Clayton? The only other possibility that I see is that this re-invented song had been bubbling around informally amongst revival singers, in which case WHO revived it is still unclear.

Thanks

Gibb


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Subject: RE: Paul Clayton biography coming in Sept
From: Stewart
Date: 22 May 17 - 01:39 PM

Here is an article I wrote for the NW HOOT June/July 2017
based primarily on Bob Coltman's biography of Clayton.

Paul Clayton – Unsung Hero of the Early Folksong Revival

Coltman's book is very interesting - I highly recommend reading it. Not only about Clayton, but about the early folksong revival, which was going on in the early 1950s before it got eclipsed by the commercial era of the 1960s. Too bad the book is so expensive - over $40 even on the used book market. The only copy I could find around here was in the Univ. Washington music library.

Cheers, S. in Seattle


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Subject: RE: Paul Clayton biography coming in Sept
From: Thomas Stern
Date: 22 May 17 - 03:50 PM

for anyone searching for a book, the website
worldcat.org provides a list of libraries holding
a title.
Eugene OR (about 280 miles from Seattle) has a copy,
as do some Western Canadian institutions.

Bob Coltman's book is a must read if you are interested
in the folk revival.

Best wishes, Thos.


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Subject: RE: Paul Clayton biography coming in Sept
From: Mark Ross
Date: 22 May 17 - 08:01 PM

Read it from the Eugene Library. As one of a later generation of folkies I never met him,but I knew a lot of people who were his friends. Good book.


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Subject: RE: Paul Clayton biography coming in Sept 2008
From: Joe Offer
Date: 23 May 17 - 03:03 AM

Here's a link to the book's publisher - gee, the price has gone up significantly. Glad I got mine when I did.

https://rowman.com/ISBN/9780810861329/Paul-Clayton-and-the-Folksong-Revival

Mudcatter Stewart has a good article about Paul Clayton in the NW Hoot Magazine (click).

-Joe-


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Subject: RE: Paul Clayton biography coming in Sept 2008
From: GUEST,Gerry
Date: 23 May 17 - 11:16 PM

Apparently, there was a play about Clayton in 2014, http://www.bostonglobe.com/arts/theater-art/2014/07/10/tangled-bob-new-play-tells-story-dylan-friend-and-mentor/afvFiki8rXNkgVoB


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Subject: RE: Paul Clayton biography coming in Sept 2008
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 24 May 17 - 06:35 PM

is this on kindle?


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