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Subject: RE: Origin: Cushie Butterfield From: *#1 PEASANT* Date: 27 Dec 10 - 09:46 AM not the case it is not in the later edition but as farne states The 1873 edition of Thomas Allan's collection of local song. wonder why not in the later one-available at google.... Conrad |
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Subject: RE: Origin: Cushie Butterfield From: *#1 PEASANT* Date: 27 Dec 10 - 09:23 AM allans does not mention but remember they were contemporaries and may have come out later than the beuk Conrad |
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Subject: RE: Origin: Cushie Butterfield From: GUEST Date: 26 Dec 10 - 06:50 PM Geordie Ridley was my Great-Great Grandfather on my mothers side. My Grandmother was very musical, but very poor. Her mother had been disinherited for marrying a music hall type (and the sister of grandmother's mother disinherited for marrying a black man) When I was a child I was quite used to my Grandmother playing the mouth-organ (harmonica) with one hand, while playing the spoons with the other. I used to think that all grandmothers did that! |
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Subject: RE: Origin: Cushie Butterfield From: Dave Sutherland Date: 12 Jan 10 - 08:38 AM Although I have often heard it mispronounced as "lilac", and if you Google the lyrics the majority now state "her petticoat is lilac" (and virtually attribute the song to Sting) however the text from which I learned it stated "Her bedgoon is laelock" which I assumed referred to the knitting or stitching of the said garment? |
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Subject: RE: Origin: Cushie Butterfield From: GUEST,guest Date: 12 Jan 10 - 05:37 AM What significance in Cushie Butterfield has 'her bedgoon is LILAC'? |
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Subject: RE: Origin: Cushie Butterfield From: GUEST,guest Date: 12 Jan 10 - 05:27 AM What significance has 'her bedgown is LILAC' in Cushie Butterfield? |
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Subject: RE: Origin: Cushie Butterfield From: GUEST,guest Keith Date: 16 Oct 08 - 04:19 AM Is Cushie her real name ? or is it a pet name or a shortened name . We know CUSHIE means easy , but whst was her real name ? |
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Subject: RE: Origin: Cushie Butterfield From: GUEST,SINKY Date: 09 Sep 08 - 07:23 PM A fat geordie tart,arent they all? |
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Subject: RE: Origin: Cushie Butterfield From: GUEST,helen Date: 09 Sep 08 - 07:07 AM tried them, and tried everyone i can think of!!! so frustrating!!!! we have the audio, but need the video as it is for inclusion in a documentary on owen brannigan |
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Subject: RE: Origin: Cushie Butterfield From: Dave Sutherland Date: 29 Aug 08 - 08:32 AM Could be worth trying www.newcastlebrown.com |
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Subject: RE: Origin: Cushie Butterfield From: GUEST,Helen Date: 29 Aug 08 - 06:15 AM does anyone know where i can get hold of a copy of the brown ale advert sung by owen brannigan?? |
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Subject: RE: Cushie Butterfield: author? From: Graveyard Date: 22 Apr 08 - 03:41 PM Apparently Mr Ridley had to go into hiding after writing the song as the family of said wench were very upset at the last verse, which mentions her having an affair with a chap from Shipcote in Gateshead. |
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Subject: RE: Cushie Butterfield: author? From: Jack Blandiver Date: 22 Apr 08 - 12:21 PM Oh, I remember that! And 'The Blaydon Races' was used to advertise The Viewer which was the Tyne-Tees version of TV Times: "...Don't be late for Channel 8, be sure and get The Viewer." Interesting to note that amongst the ageing members of my family the TV Times still gets called The Viewer... |
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Subject: RE: Cushie Butterfield: author? From: GUEST, Tom Grey Date: 21 Apr 08 - 05:41 PM I think the line 'Aa's a brokken-hearted keelman' gives it away. No indication in the lyrics that she's anything other than a clay seller. |
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Subject: RE: Cushie Butterfield: author? From: GUEST,Geordie Date: 21 Apr 08 - 02:19 PM I heard that Cushy Butterfield was a Prostitute that is thought to have lived some time in the late 1700's on Newcastle/Gateshead Quayside. The sailors who would travel up the Tyne from far and wide would sing songs about her as they did about other women they had met in different ports and that is how the song we hear today came into being. Geordie |
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Subject: RE: Cushie Butterfield: author? From: Malcolm Douglas Date: 02 Sep 07 - 01:12 PM A certain amount of information on Ridley is available at FARNE, though they have the site set up so that external search engines can't access it. Go to http://www.asaplive.com/Archive/person_search.asp, select 'George Ridley', and you're away. Here is a direct link to a picture there of George 'in character' as 'Johnny Luik-Up': http://www.asaplive.com/farneimages/jpgs/L0106900.JPG |
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Subject: RE: Cushie Butterfield: author? From: Q (Frank Staplin) Date: 02 Sep 07 - 12:29 PM Under lyricists and composers, Michael Kilgarriff, "Sing Us One of the Old Songs," 1998, Oxford Univ. Press, has only this on George Ridley: Ridley, George, 1834-64 Blaydon Races (air, Brighton) 1862 Bobby Cure, The Cushie Butterfield (air, Polly Perkins of Paddington Green, m Harry Clifton) c. 1863 Johnny Luik-Up the Bellman. Under artistes' repertoire, the same songs are listed. A very short life; perhaps not long enough to make a strong impression. |
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Subject: RE: Cushie Butterfield: author? From: GUEST,Mike C Date: 02 Sep 07 - 11:07 AM Right. So who *was* George Ridley anyway? I can't find bupkis on him, save that he penned C.B. Thanks Mike |
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Subject: RE: Cushie Butterfield: author? From: TheBigPinkLad Date: 15 Mar 04 - 06:43 PM Some excellent info on the Geordie songwriter Joe Wilson can be viewed by clicking here |
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Subject: RE: Cushie Butterfield: author? From: Santa Date: 15 Mar 04 - 06:14 PM For complete satisfaction... and...it's a bottled beer.... This was in an earlier thread which gave the complete version. Sorry I can't remember where. But I do remember The Viewer. And the One O'Clock Show? Wor Jackie? Don't remember much folk song on it, though. |
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Subject: RE: Cushie Butterfield: author? From: The Borchester Echo Date: 15 Mar 04 - 10:02 AM Oh, I remember that! And 'The Blaydon Races' was used to advertise The Viewer which was the Tyne-Tees version of TV Times: "...Don't be late for Channel 8, be sure and get The Viewer." |
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Subject: RE: Cushie Butterfield: author? From: Dave Bryant Date: 15 Mar 04 - 09:53 AM Not only is the tune from "Pretty Polly Perkins of Paddington Green", but the plot is also similiar. I was once told that George Ridley heard Harry Clifton singing "Pretty Polly Perkins" in Lodon and re-worked it as a geordie song. Of course at one time it was used as an advert for Newcastle Brown Ale on Tyne-Tees television with the extra chorus: It's a fine beer, it's a bonny beer, It's the North's biggest sale. For finest satisfaction Newcastle Brown Ale - Newcastle Brown Ale. It was sung by the late Owen Brannigan. |
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Subject: RE: Cushie Butterfield: author? From: s&r Date: 15 Mar 04 - 06:06 AM Tyneside Songs (1911) gives George Ridley; tune Pretty Polly Perkins arranged by C.E. Catcheside-Warrington (Joe, note spelling) Stu |
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Subject: RE: Cushie Butterfield: author? From: Dave Hanson Date: 15 Mar 04 - 03:49 AM Suzanne skw, Alex Glasgow died a few years ago. Also check out ' The Blayden Races ' Gannin to see the Geordie Ridley show, In the Mechanics Hall in Bladon. eric |
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Subject: RE: Cushie Butterfield: author? From: Malcolm Douglas Date: 14 Mar 04 - 04:20 PM Thanks, Dave. I haven't got into the habit of always looking there yet. You can't actually make viable links using that procedure. I don't know whether it's a deliberate or accidental thing, but it doesn't work. Because it is tedious to have to go through the browse/search procedure on the site itself every time you want to look at something, here are links to the two page-images concerned. Cushey Butterfield (1) Cushey Butterfield (2) Full details of the publication, and of the other important resources available at Farne, can be found (eventually) through the site itself: http://www.asaplive.com/Archive/Index.cfm |
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Subject: RE: Cushie Butterfield: author? From: Folkiedave Date: 14 Mar 04 - 03:22 PM I'll put another plug in for FARNE (Folk Archive Research North East).In this case the relevant entry is at: http://www.asaplive.com/archive/detail.asp?id=T0122001 Regards, Dave www.collectorsfolk.co.uk |
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Subject: RE: Cushie Butterfild: author? From: GeoffLawes Date: 13 Mar 04 - 08:09 PM PS Kilgarriff also says that the tune is based on the traditional air Nightingales Sing. |
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Subject: RE: Cushie Butterfild: author? From: GeoffLawes Date: 13 Mar 04 - 07:27 PM According to Michael Kilgarriff's authoritative tome on the British popular song 1860-1920, Sing Us One Of The Old Songs, Cushie Butterfield is by George Ridley and is "Geordie words to Harry Clifton's earlier Polly Perkins". |
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Subject: RE: Cushie Butterfild: author? From: Malcolm Douglas Date: 13 Mar 04 - 02:05 PM The DT text is accurately copied from Sedley's book (though he is not credited), where the (presumably original) dialect spelling given by Lloyd has been rendered mostly into standard forms. There isn't much to add to Kennedy's references, except that Roud lists this one (print examples only) at number 3504. |
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Subject: RE: Cushie Butterfild: author? From: Joe Offer Date: 13 Mar 04 - 01:42 PM Nothing in the Traditional Ballad Index, and only this brief entry at folktrax.org:
Any more information we can develop on this? Are the lyrics in the DT correct? -Joe Offer- |
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Subject: RE: Cushie Butterfild: author? From: bill\sables Date: 09 Jun 99 - 09:17 PM According to Bert Lloyd in "Come All Ye Bold Miners" it was writen by George Ridley 1834-1864. Cheers Bill |
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Subject: RE: Cushie Butterfild: author? From: Susanne (skw) Date: 09 Jun 99 - 07:22 PM Thanks, Dave, for setting my mind at rest! I'll check out the book when I get to Britain. - Susanne |
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Subject: RE: Cushie Butterfild: author? From: zander (inactive) Date: 04 Jun 99 - 02:58 PM Cushie Butterfield was definately written by George Ridley [ see The Seeds of Love by Stephen Sedley, published by Essex Music ] Dave hanson |
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Subject: RE: Cushie Butterfild: author? From: Murray on Salt Spring Date: 04 Jun 99 - 04:35 AM Allan's Tyneside Songs (rev. ed. 1891), p. 473, has a biog of Joe Wilson.-- born 1841, and alive at publication time. He was very famous as a Newcastle comedian, and undoubtedly sang Cushy Butterfield, maybe making it more famous than its author, whose career after all lasted only about five years. The tune, as you may know, is that of the London stage song, "Pretty Polly Perkins". |
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Subject: RE: Cushie Butterfild: author? From: Graham Pirt Date: 03 Jun 99 - 05:00 PM Allan's Tyneside Songs, a publication contemporary with both Wilson and Ridley and which gives their autobiographies does not credit either with Cushie Butterfield. Equally, Bert Lloyd does not name the composer in his work "Folk Song in England" A definitive answer would be really good - especially for someone who's known the song and has just realised he should know the composer! |
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Subject: RE: Cushie Butterfild: author? From: Susanne (skw) Date: 02 Jun 99 - 06:46 PM Thanks, Ian! I may do that. Is Alex Glasgow living in Australia, or does the .au come from his provider? - Susanne |
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Subject: RE: Cushie Butterfild: author? From: Ian Date: 02 Jun 99 - 08:09 AM Well, according to English Folk Songs (http://www.acronet.net/~robokopp/english.html) it's by George Ridley, 1834-1864. Everyone else seems to list it as Traditional (which it obviously wasn't originally but certainly is now). Since "Wor Geordie" was about the most famous of the Geordie music hall composers, it may have been mistakenly attributed to him anyway. The usual conundrum. I haven't found anything on Joe Wilson. You might try e-mailing Alex Glasgow (ghosts@q-net.net.au) who did a show about him once. Cheers! Ian |
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Subject: Cushie Butterfild: author? From: Susanne (skw) Date: 01 Jun 99 - 06:45 PM Most sources, including the DT, say this was written by George Ridley, but one says it's by 'Tyneside comedian Joe Wilson'. Does anybody know for sure? - Thanks, Susanne |
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