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Folk clubs in Kent

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Subject: Folk clubs in Kent
From: growler
Date: 28 Jul 08 - 05:09 PM

Following a very succesfull visit to the Good Intent,by Quidnunk from Dover, it occured to me that a regular exchange of talent between clubs would not only be healthy, but cost effective. ( The landlord sold them cheap beer ),if any club is interested please contact me and if it takes off, I'll ask cathy, if she will give us a space in the Arround Kent Folk


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Subject: RE: Folk clubs in Kent
From: Leadfingers
Date: 28 Jul 08 - 05:56 PM

Club Swaps used to be a regular feature back in the bad Old Days .


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Subject: RE: Folk clubs in Kent
From: kerry and Mandy
Date: 29 Jul 08 - 04:26 AM

Quidnunc (Kerry, Mandy and Rambling Stuart) had a great time at the Good Intent, thanks for inviting us guys. We're all for a cultural exchange between clubs, it's a great way to meet new people, hear new songs and find out how other clubs run. It's also flippin' good fun, and the cheap beer was a real treat. Lets hope we can revive the bad Old Days.


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Subject: RE: Folk clubs in Kent
From: growler
Date: 29 Jul 08 - 04:22 PM

Anyone interested please PM me.


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Subject: RE: Folk clubs in Kent
From: growler
Date: 30 Jul 08 - 03:49 PM

I have had 3PMs, all expressing the difficulties involved. I think that this is a simple scheme, that will work, if clubs want to make it work
Simon


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Subject: RE: Folk clubs in Kent
From: Dead Horse
Date: 30 Jul 08 - 04:58 PM

So. A sort of Folk-Swingers night is planned, huh?
Swapping is not just harmless fun you know, all sorts of problems may arise.
Next thing you know, swapping with other folk clubs will not be enough.
Blues or even Heavy Metal may get involved, then its only a slow downhill progression to.....................Rap !!!
I think a visit to your nearest confidential Folk Guidance Councillor would be your best and safest option.


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Subject: RE: Folk clubs in Kent
From: GUEST,Andy Cakebread
Date: 31 Jul 08 - 04:55 AM

A couple of years ago, I suggested that the Friday Orpington club & Folkmob should try this, partly for variety & partly to provide both clubs with a cheap & easy guest night. All involved thought it was a good idea, but nothing happened, shame


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Subject: RE: Folk clubs in Kent
From: growler
Date: 31 Jul 08 - 04:29 PM

Andy there is no reason why it shouldn't happen, give me a PM.   Dead Horse look at them colours, man, rap with a capital 'C' will allways be wellcome


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Subject: RE: Folk clubs in Kent
From: Girl Friday
Date: 31 Jul 08 - 09:46 PM

Hi Andy. Shame, it didn't work in the way we envisaged. Even so, there is often a cross-over with our performers, which is what Growler is looking to do,rather than have audiences swapping. Robin for example, resident at Orpington Friday, regular at Orpington Thursday, and occasional performer at Folkmob.


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Subject: RE: Folk clubs in Kent
From: growler
Date: 01 Aug 08 - 04:10 PM

This can work. Give it a chance


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Subject: RE: Folk clubs in Kent
From: Waddon Pete
Date: 01 Aug 08 - 04:18 PM

Thus was a strategy we used a great deal when I was club organiser. It was a great deal too. We had a strong band of residents (who all now have successful solo and group careers) and many of the clubs we swopped with had the same. It was a win win situation.

Go for it!

Best wishes,

Peter


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Subject: RE: Folk clubs in Kent
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 01 Aug 08 - 04:21 PM

Get two hats. Get the women to put their car-keys in one, and the men the other. That sort of club swapping?


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Subject: RE: Folk clubs in Kent
From: melodeonboy
Date: 01 Aug 08 - 08:41 PM

Oooooh! This is sounding more exciting by the minute! My keys are ready!


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Subject: RE: Folk clubs in Kent
From: Dead Horse
Date: 01 Aug 08 - 09:29 PM

Last time I went to one of THOSE, I ended up with a 3 wheeler!!!


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Subject: RE: Folk clubs in Kent
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 01 Aug 08 - 11:26 PM

If I bring All my Volvos, should I also bring Cialis?


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Subject: RE: Folk clubs in Kent
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 02 Aug 08 - 03:53 AM

Last time I went to one of those, I ended up with the WIFE.

Don T.


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Subject: RE: Folk clubs in Kent
From: kerry and Mandy
Date: 02 Aug 08 - 04:40 AM

think yourself luck Don, I ended up with me own keys back.


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Subject: RE: Folk clubs in Kent
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 02 Aug 08 - 07:32 AM

Hey Don, that might help you get rid of your Scorpio! (grin)


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Subject: RE: Folk clubs in Kent
From: growler
Date: 02 Aug 08 - 05:23 PM

Richard if you bring all your Volvos, none of the performers would have room to park


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Subject: RE: Folk clubs in Kent
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 02 Aug 08 - 06:11 PM

But they could perform in the back...


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Subject: RE: Folk clubs in Kent
From: growler
Date: 03 Aug 08 - 04:18 PM

In the back of your Volvo ????


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Subject: RE: Folk clubs in Kent
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 03 Aug 08 - 04:53 PM

Yep!


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Subject: RE: Folk clubs in Kent
From: growler
Date: 04 Aug 08 - 04:24 PM

Seriously folks, if anyone would like to perform at another club in Kent, please PM me. Likewise, if any Folk Club, wants to join the merry-go- round, also PM me, ( this does not include Richards Volvos)


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Subject: RE: Folk clubs in Kent
From: GUEST,synbyn
Date: 05 Aug 08 - 12:26 PM

yes. at nellies or tonbridge i remember going down to lewes and them coming to us, and more recently faversham sent a contingent over to appear for us... it's all very pally when this happens- q is it for the audience's benefit or the performers'? i think it's a good substitution for a singers' night myself, for guest nights i think i prefer a singer or group with a body of well-rehearsed material to choose from and to switch according to the audience, rather than a turn-by-turn approach- i throw that in for discussion!


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Subject: RE: Folk clubs in Kent
From: GUEST,John from Elsie`s Band
Date: 06 Aug 08 - 11:12 AM

Dear Growler,
             We would be up for a booking after September when Iris returns from the U.S. Give David a call on 01732 862862.
                                              Regards,
                                                John


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Subject: RE: Folk clubs in Kent
From: growler
Date: 06 Aug 08 - 03:42 PM

We are getting there. Please keep going. How about 'Sic Transit'


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Subject: RE: Folk clubs in Kent
From: Dead Horse
Date: 06 Aug 08 - 07:52 PM

'Puke Volvo' ?

Sorry. Likewise - couldn't resist!


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Subject: RE: Folk clubs in Kent
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 07 Aug 08 - 02:45 AM

I haven't got one that colour


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Subject: RE: Folk clubs in Kent
From: growler
Date: 07 Aug 08 - 05:07 PM

Depends on what you've been eating


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Subject: RE: Folk clubs in Kent
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 07 Aug 08 - 06:50 PM

Chilli and garlic, mostly...


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Subject: RE: Folk clubs in Kent
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 07 Aug 08 - 06:56 PM

""We are getting there. Please keep going. How about 'Sic Transit'""


Just let us know when, Simon!!

Don T.


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Subject: RE: Folk clubs in Kent
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 08 Aug 08 - 05:36 AM

Look for us at the "Music on the Marsh" festival next Saturday 16th August.

We're on from 12 noon - 1 pm. in the Star Inn.

We are always up for bookings for clubs, pubs, or private parties.

Don T


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Subject: RE: Folk clubs in Kent
From: growler
Date: 11 Aug 08 - 04:34 PM

Richard, that could result in any colour. You must be able to match it to a Volvo


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Subject: RE: Folk clubs in Kent
From: GUEST,bob
Date: 07 Sep 11 - 12:51 PM

blimey there are some dull performers around kent folk and they via sucking up to organisers get small time gigs!Same old stuff over and over,just come back from suffolk and good standard of music up there,yeah,tell me to go back im expecting but just had to say it,was at one this week and noticed several audience sneeking out at first oppurtunity,oh well thats kent folk for you!


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Subject: RE: Folk clubs in Kent
From: GUEST,FloraG
Date: 07 Sep 11 - 02:16 PM

bob - don't go back to suffolk. Get involved in a club and help organise it. It is easy to critisise from the outside - but change happens from within.
Small time gigs! - a folk club gig should be the pinnicale of your career if you are a serious folk musician - playing in front of knowledgeable people who are often also performers in their own right. You won't ever get a better audience. Pubs and festivals mostly don't want clever - just the drum machine and well known songs. I know clubs often can not afford a lot - but it was never about the money.
I saw Isambard last night - and didn't see anyone sneaking out apart from regularly topping up on the fine selection of beers available.
FloraG.


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Subject: RE: Folk clubs in Kent
From: breezy
Date: 07 Sep 11 - 03:25 PM

But then Isambard are quality.

Get along on Thursday 6th Oct to the Orpington club at the Change of Horses.

judge the main guest accordingly


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Subject: RE: Folk clubs in Kent
From: growler
Date: 07 Sep 11 - 04:49 PM

Bob take your head out of your behind and come and see. 'The same old stuff' does not apply. Get a life and embrace Kent folk


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Subject: RE: Folk clubs in Kent
From: GUEST,bob
Date: 08 Sep 11 - 02:05 AM

my point was not having a go at all performers,what gets me is there are some damm good players around these venues but get pushed back so the regulars can repeat the same stuff again and again,a while back at change of horses a little trio did a couple of great footapping songs and that was all they were allowed to make way for the "big boys" so to speak with their usual dreary repetetive stuff,one bragging about all the gigs he has done,dunno if it were true as he was so full of himself and.....boring!Im not a miserable old git (i do a good impression I told!)but bring back the good old days of folk and cheerfull upbeat songs,not repetetive sloggers,thats it had my two pennarth!


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Subject: RE: Folk clubs in Kent
From: GUEST,bob
Date: 08 Sep 11 - 02:22 AM

sorry my other grumpy old man trait I meant to mention is the "self penned"offenders-yes great to hear a catchy new decent song im all for it but hate to say a lot just write not very good stuff -why is it bad songs have to be so long,where is the lift in them,some even seem contenders for bad eurovision song contest entrys,yes im moaning but where have all the audiences gone I ask,back in 1967 I first went to a folk club with mates,following week we all had roll neck jumpers on,wispy sort of beards,spoke to one another with a finger in the ear and breaking up the coversation with the odd"trirally la a rovin we will go",the clubs seemed full of listeners then,I hate to see people leaving but 4 unaccompanied songs at 6 minutes each dont get them wanting to stay-I know this for a fact as I asked some why they were leaving not so long ago and they admitted after making other feeble excuses it was so dull.We need audiences as well as players at singarounds and guest nights and if a floorsinger as they used to be knownis going down well,dont kick them off so the regulars can do their thing(like they did last week,the week or so before....."get my drift here or am I a wally?


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Subject: RE: Folk clubs in Kent
From: melodeonboy
Date: 08 Sep 11 - 04:09 AM

I'm not trying to sound smug, Bob, but I don't think we have that kind of problem at The Good Intent (Rochester) singaround. Ask those who attend! Or even better, come and see (and listen!) for yourself!


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Subject: RE: Folk clubs in Kent
From: GUEST,FloraG
Date: 08 Sep 11 - 05:11 AM

I think singing/ playing appropriate songs for the audience is one of those skills that is underated.

We were lucky at the Hop festival that on both days we had a really nice variety of songs/ tunes in the Bull session, and the performers were experienced enough to choose things that would go down well with a mixed general audience. I think most of us underestimate how little of the folk tradition the general public know, and people do like to hear familiar things as well as variety.
With the morris side I was in we used to do drunken sailor at most venues. The side got a bit bored with it but it always went down really well with the general pub audience, and most places asked us back.

The Good Intent is a different audience again - mostly people well vesed in the tradition - and I know Growler you make sure that most people who turn up and want to perform are given a chance to do so - so there is lots of variety.

Dartford has a great variety of paid performers, but less variety of floor singers. Not sure why that is as I know there are a lot of good performers in the audience who do not perform.

Horses for courses I think.
FloraG.


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Subject: RE: Folk clubs in Kent
From: Arnie
Date: 08 Sep 11 - 05:26 AM

I seem to recall that the Deal folk club had an awayday to Faversham many years ago and it worked well. I think Faversham did a return visit. I'm not so sure if it would work now as the two dozen or so regulars would probably not wish to travel too far for their weekly folk session and Deal is handy for them. We usually have 3 singaround sessions a month so there is a bit of repetition but there is also a lot of variety which is why we've managed to keep audience figures up and keep going for the past 20yrs or so. What I like about the Deal singarounds is that you never know who is going to drop by and give us a few songs. If they've travelled far and are any good then we will usually let them finish off the evening which is a pretty good accolade.


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Subject: RE: Folk clubs in Kent
From: The Barden of England
Date: 08 Sep 11 - 06:36 AM

I agree with you Arnie, Deal is a truly welcoming club. See you there next week, and melodeonboy and growler are spot on too regarding 'The Good Intent'. Kent, like everywhere else I believe, has it's good and bad so Guest-bob obviously managed to get to one of the bad. The good is still out there - honest.
John Barden


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Subject: RE: Folk clubs in Kent
From: GUEST,pete from seven stars link
Date: 08 Sep 11 - 08:24 AM

i would think that what is dull or meaningful is in the conception of the listener ,though aiming to please all comers may well limit what is done.if the session is a genuine singaround everyone gets as fair a turn as possible.at times someone more talented/well known appears and the organizer may give them much more time.this is their perogative of course as being the ones getting it together each week.
some of the open mics i frequent tend to do this as well and so i frequent them less in favour of the even handed ones.
its not something thats wrong or right,but its nice if there are other places that suit the contributers ethos better.


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Subject: RE: Folk clubs in Kent
From: GUEST,bob
Date: 08 Sep 11 - 10:23 AM

good to see a bit of debate,was a bit here when i look in from time to time!Pete from seven stars link-is that the crayside place or not connected?Remember going in there not so long back for a drink and bite to eat after helping a relation doing up a flat nearby,was a fair few rather vocal drunks I recall and no food available but a restaurant area!Has it improved since,by a river I recall.Someone commented a while ago if its same place the bouncers throw people in rather than out!Have been t good intent,one of the better ones I admit melodian boy,its the ones who never move on,same faces,same songs week in week out,on and on,repeat first verse for 5th time,come on boys and girls give us a good cheerfull lively night!Grumpy bob.


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Subject: RE: Folk clubs in Kent
From: GUEST,FloraG
Date: 08 Sep 11 - 12:04 PM

The Cambridge club does 2 songs or 8 minuites, as some songs can go on for ever, on open mike nights.
Should duos get twice as long?
FloraG.


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Subject: RE: Folk clubs in Kent
From: GUEST,bob
Date: 08 Sep 11 - 01:29 PM

duos (sticking my big nose in again)difficult to decide in my humble opinion,some seem to just work as duo and dont push their luck,some take the mickey and have twice as many songs often long winded.If they are good i as a listener and occasional player would mind but if they are not so hot then its that difficult bit.If I were a host id say as duo 3 songs or 12 minutes on your cambridge principle,then its fair.My pal was at one singsong and a group of morris men after leaping about hitting each other outside came in for singaround but had one song each-whole gaggle of em!Apparantly after 3 unaccompanied 20 verse renditions a lot of the pub needed a breath of fresh air outside or toilet visitations but they carried on regardless-now thats a bit out of order,come on morris men,defend your case!!!grumpy


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Subject: RE: Folk clubs in Kent
From: GUEST,Folky johnson
Date: 08 Sep 11 - 02:42 PM

The Seven Stars hasn't changed Bob. Obnoxious drunks who stand a couple of feet away from performers yakking loudly and they won't move from the bar if you are trying to get served. Also a loud jukebox can be usually be heard over the performers. When food is served it is overpriced deep fried yuk ... If you are looking for a decent club in the Kent area try Sheppey!


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Subject: RE: Folk clubs in Kent
From: growler
Date: 08 Sep 11 - 05:01 PM

The Good Intent at Rochester, if you come, you will be invited to play. When we run out of time, we stop. There are no resinents everybody has the same time, unless I've been drinking Summer Lightning.


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Subject: RE: Folk clubs in Kent
From: The Sandman
Date: 08 Sep 11 - 05:19 PM

ubject: RE: Folk clubs in Kent
From: Waddon Pete - PM
Date: 01 Aug 08 - 04:18 PM

Thus was a strategy we used a great deal when I was club organiser. It was a great deal too. We had a strong band of residents (who all now have successful solo and group careers) and many of the clubs we swopped with had the same. It was a win win situation.

Go for it!

Best wishes,

Peter
Peter, you were one of the best organisers that I have come across, I had many good gigs at the Waddon, your old pal Lance Corporal Schweik


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Subject: RE: Folk clubs in Kent
From: GUEST,bob
Date: 09 Sep 11 - 02:38 AM

folky johnson,must be same dive then those seven stars,sounds same and recall same problems with drunks,we in end went to another spot in pub but was stil rough to put it mildly.Where does the folk club meet here.in the drunks bar,at top where we moved to or the run down restaurant?Do performers really have to have a juke box to compete with,sounds funny set up.I know good intent has whole section of pub for singing,perfect,faversham upstairs in good room,and rainham oast whole area for sessions,ought to have a survey on here to determine best venue.Must get down to deal,told thats nice location,oh well im off to medway today helping paint a boat weather permitting!Grumpy.


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Subject: RE: Folk clubs in Kent
From: GUEST,FloraG
Date: 09 Sep 11 - 04:01 AM

I used to belong to the top music morris side in Kent. We had the core of 3 bands within the side. There were quite a few of us, so if we went to a sing around then it did take quite a while to get through us all. However, we only did a few unacomplished songs - and interspersed them tunes. Some of the songs we did were the sort that everybody knew, not just the choras but all the verses too, so there was a chance for everybody to sing.

I have heard some publicans say it was the music rather than the dancing they enjoyed. In the last year I was there, the musicians were booked for the cambridge folk club and the wisdom hospice seperately to the dancers.   

I don't think we are the side mentioned above, as we were more likely to start our own session and then encourage others to join in. It involved a bit of organisation at the do, as I would not have wished the session to deteriorate into wall to wall melodeons, nor wall to wall unaccompanied singers, which I know can happen with morris sides.

I like to think that anywhere the side was booked they got the double advantage of the dancing and the music.
FloraG.


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Subject: RE: Folk clubs in Kent
From: GUEST,pete from seven stars link
Date: 09 Sep 11 - 11:21 AM

yes i am connected to 7 stars singaround ,attending more weeks than not.there were a few weeks with tv /disco in background /loud drunks problems but not for some time in my experience.talkers can be a little offputting but to be expected in a public bar ,but more so if a contributor strikes up a conversation in the song area,though even that happens less now.
most mondays food is available at an arranged time and i would have thought at an expected cost, not especially expensive.
most weeks there is a good turnout so it cant be so bad!


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Subject: RE: Folk clubs in Kent
From: GUEST, richard bridge on the netbook
Date: 09 Sep 11 - 07:39 PM

a healthy cynicism about most recent posts on this thread would be judicious. beware of experts.


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Subject: RE: Folk clubs in Kent-fair dos
From: GUEST, Dibbs
Date: 13 Sep 11 - 03:53 PM

What is fair at singarounds? Are hosts completely even handed with the regular performers who work on new stuff most weeks and who vary in musical proficiency? Yes for the most part hosts are fair to regulars but it seems some co-ordinators are so bowled over by a more 'Famous' performer showing up that when they roll in late (and still performing their usual songs unlike the regulars who try new stuff weekly) they are kowtowed to and fitted in and given extra go's and praised inordinately. Wouldn't mind so much if they were fantastic musicians and performers but that is not always the case and they are not friendly to the regulars either!!!. They should be treated no differently to the other performers in that room.


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Subject: RE: Folk clubs in Kent
From: Rob Naylor
Date: 14 Sep 11 - 04:37 AM

Well of the 5 sessions/ singarounds I go to in Kent (including the Seven Stars one - though these days not as often as I'd like due to changes in work situation) only one could remotely be described as being less than "completely even-handed".

In 3 of them, the order passes around the room in strict rotation, whoever you are, so everyone gets the same opportunity to sing/ play, no matter what their standard or status as "regulars", "transients" or "stars".

The other two have MCs who "call upon" people. One of these is very good at keeping track of who he's called, and although he doesn't stick to a strict order, makes sure that by the end of the night everyone's been "called" the same number of times. The other MC is more apt to call on specifiec friends, "stars" or people whose style of playing/ singing he personally likes. I don't go to that session very often as although the approach is only *slightly* unfair it still grates. I'm not a particularly good performer at all, but I do resent travelling 45 minutes each way to that session and then only being "called" once when others are called 3-4 times. Sure, a lot of them are better than me, but a few aren't...they just know the MC better than I do!

For the most part, though, what's struck me at these sessions, and at the others in Sussex and Surrey that I go to, is the welcome given to new performers, and the fairness, sometimes to the point of over-generosity, shown to them. As someone who's being playing guitar for just 3 years now, with practice time limited by a full-time job and other activities, and who doesn't have a great singing voice, I've been very pleasantly surprised by the friendliness and inclusivity.


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Subject: RE: Folk clubs in Kent
From: Rob Naylor
Date: 14 Sep 11 - 04:52 AM

And I'd agree with Pete The Hat re the Seven Stars sessions....the Monday sessions are relaxed, inclusive and generally free from interference or aggro.

A while back there was a couple of weeks when people in the other bar were being loud. The juke box speaker into the music bar is normally disconnected for the singaround but on these nights it seemed that there was "leakage" from the other speaker. Turned out to be a couple of drunks playing music on their iPhones and taking a bit of pleasure in trying to disrupt us. One of the small female particiipants went over to them and "had a word" after which the problem stopped.

It's never felt like a "lousy pit" to me. The Monday sessions are great and I wish I could get to them more often. The more "organised" Saturday "miked up" sessions are also great....somewhat limited by the design of the pub which makes it hard to give a good space for both performers and audience, but generally a great experience with very varied performers and styles of music.

It certainly doesn't deserve the slagging it gets above: I wouldn't travel up from Tunbridge Wells to it if it was a horrible dive!


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Subject: RE: Folk clubs in Kent
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 14 Sep 11 - 05:20 AM

I think that if a genuine "name" pops in, particularly during a festival and so may have limited time between paid gigs, they should be offered a chance to do one or two immediately-ish. There was once a time when a late member of this forum at the old Farningham Coach house was approached by two youngsters he didn't recognise and who had arrived late and asked if they could do a couple. He said (broadly) "Sorry mate, list's full." It was Carthy and Swarb.

The trouble is in drawing the line. Once you start does it apply to all who occasionally gig even down to the hypothetical local ceilidh band whose timing is a bit iffy, or anyone who has done an expenses paid slot as support on a guest night?

The other trouble is how to judge who is monopolising - should it be the room, the host/greeter/"chair", or the morris side - and if the morris side includes the host/greeter/"chair" that can be perceived as lacking even handedness particularly if the weaker singers from the side are called again and again. That said, Flora is right that Bishop Gundulf was fortunate to have the late Pete Hicks, Blossom, and, for his banjo tunes Graham Anstee. Pete was a star quality singer.


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Subject: RE: Folk clubs in Kent
From: stallion
Date: 14 Sep 11 - 05:35 AM

Horses for courses and most sessions/singarounds grow into what they are. We have just moved from the noisy rough and tumble of the Tap & Spile in the City centre, York, to The Shoulder of Mutton a few hundred yards further out of town which is deathly quiet and it seems like the soul has been ripped out of the session everyone now sits in silence and gently applauds after each song or tune. very few new people are introduced to the music because it is away from the main tourist footfall. I still go and enjoy it but the craic is not the same. Ah well each to their own, my pet hate is people reading songs from books whilst they are singing, hate is too strong a word, pet dislike I think is the word, i can't understand how anyone could sing a song well if they are not immersed in it and the words.
Tin helmet is on and I am digging furiously!!!!!


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Subject: RE: Folk clubs in Kent
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 14 Sep 11 - 06:17 AM

Actually, I may have the names wrong - it might have been Crapton and a sidekick.


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Subject: RE: Folk clubs in Kent
From: GUEST,FloraG
Date: 14 Sep 11 - 01:22 PM

I think part of the problem with this thread is that we are muddling folk clubs, sessions and morris side sing arounds - different animals I think.
Folk clubs - with membership lists and paid performers and entrance fees - have their own rules about who should perform. If you don't like it then do one of 2 things - join the commitee and change it from within or don't go. Its hard enough to run one of these - and a big time committment. You have to admire the organisers even if you disagree with their choices.

Sessions are a bit different I think - and perhaps guest bob this was what you were refering to. For me, a session is about what you can add to the do. I have my own mark scheme
perform for others to listen to                         1 mark
perform so others can join choras                      4 marks
perform so others can play, join both verse and choras 10 marks.
Any other views
FloraG


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Subject: RE: Folk clubs in Kent
From: GUEST,Dibbs
Date: 14 Sep 11 - 02:43 PM

Flora G found your mark scheme interesting.
How about marks off for :
-lots of repetition-spinning out the song boringly or
-for singing the same songs week after week or
-for a ridiculous number of verses (one song I timed recently on my phone was over 11 minutes long and everyone was looking mighty fed up.)
-for talking through a performance
Dont mind people using sheets as a prop but can't bear really badly prepared stuff (i.e. not prepared)
Can anyone think of any more?


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Subject: RE: Folk clubs in Kent
From: VirginiaTam
Date: 14 Sep 11 - 02:51 PM

I am watching this thread with interest and may use it to inform our retirement move. I am a bit smitten with Ash because it is twinned with my home town Hopewell Virginia.


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Subject: RE: Folk clubs in Kent
From: GUEST,FloraG
Date: 15 Sep 11 - 03:51 AM

Dibbs
If everyone is singing then no space for talk - so 10, but in one of the clubs I go to that uses PA people often do talk through the floor spots, less so through the paid guest performers. I do find that odd from folkies.
One of the women on the morris side I was in only had 4 songs and would usually do 2 in an evening, but she had a nice voice and the pub was different each week so the audience was different. Better that I think than singing something new every week and not quite getting it right.
I think some sea shanties can be overlong, but you do not have to do 27 verses. About 7 I think is ideal. Any views?
I think it is too easy to depend upon words ( or printed music ) once you start, but a discreet check on the i pad?
I would deduct marks for over long guitar introductions, and other people jumping in and adding parody verses that might have been funny if made up on the spot but loose something the 20th time of hearing.
Grumpy old women rule.
FloraG.


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Subject: RE: Folk clubs in Kent
From: GUEST,bob
Date: 15 Sep 11 - 04:21 AM

flora,I am king of the grumpys,im headlining as grump and the grumpys here there and everywhere,I raise money for every charity you can think of,all down to me!My photos are everywhere in the folk magazine,I rabbit on before and after my go about myself and how great and sought after I am and have ability to write some brilliant(!) songs ,how many points is that little lot worth,just 2,ok if I drag the song out for twice as long will it give me more points-wot just 1 now???All tongue in cheek I add but good debate going on!Yeah some songs could easily be trimmed down to a reasonable time,its only fair easpecialy at end of evening when most performers are just hoping for one more quick go.The guitar players somtimes waste time tuning up when it their go,I have seen these little gadgets they clip on and can tune silently before their go,but if its a singaround and playing and singing is purpose of evening can we have less chat and tuning up -heard a classic from an old fella while back under his breath "get on with the f%$£"! thing" That points system you suggested sounds right to me BUT you could be in breach of the laws if everyone joins in to gain your 10 points,no percussion or singing allowed (thats true!)at one venue I visited,sternly enforced as well!!!!I questioned where had all the audiences gone" in a post,does this debate hint at all I ask,pubs who have no or few customers always bleat on about"the economy" "the smoking ban" never the unenterprising landlords or ladys,yet other pubs do well,good food,event nights and FRIENDLY welcomes and goodnights,hope the folkys dont follow the former policy,well I got some grumpy mutterings for my bank today,keep up the debate boys and girls!


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Subject: RE: Folk clubs in Kent
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 15 Sep 11 - 04:41 AM

Some songs demand to be done in the parody version only - for example the Fields of F* ing Rye. The parody verse is often a way of indicating dissatisfaction with the song.

Naturally I would deduct marks for melodeons - being a guitar player myself.

I would also deduct marks for poor fiddle players joining in with unaccompanied singers and forcing them to change key (no I was not the singer in question - it was done to someone else at Tenterden). Likewise if someone is doing a song which has been arranged with a different bridge section do not trample on like a herd of elephants with a common but different version - or loudly play alternating Em D when the singer-guitarist is playing Em D Em Bm (no, those two were not a fiddle player but a melodeon player who never seemed to notice the difference and kept on doing it time and again until I gave up on the songs in question when that player was about - which may of course have been their objective).   

Unless a song has been rehearsed it can be very hard for accompanists (where that is the ethos) to keep in time and not drag, but it is vital that they do so: they must watch the singer's mouth and anticipate and that can be very hard if the singer is not used to accompaniment and so is pulling and pushing the timing. I knew an unaccompanied singer who used to request bodhran accompaniment and then spend the entire song trying to catch the bodhranist out.

The situation does differ between a concert, a singaround, a session (whether song-session aka jam or tune session) and I think a morris side's post-stand sing which is partly for the pleasure of the side (dance, beer, sing! - a bit like rugby without an oval ball) and partly for the audience and which I think would not rightly be regarded as a concert, so that it is important to sing different stuff particularly if the songs are not the sort for a lot of joining in.   

It is more important in a singaround not to keep doing the same old same old, particularly if it is a very hackneyed song. Singers who know that they do songs that others in the group also do need to be wary of consistently going for that song so as to pre-empt the other (unless it is an "annoy Little Legs" night when we all take it in turns to do songs that Wee Jock sings before he can do them, but since he knows about 400 we've never managed to leave him stranded yet)


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Subject: RE: Folk clubs in Kent
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 15 Sep 11 - 04:54 AM

PS - I am in favour of encouraging people to have a go, even if they are not that good. They might get better, and of course people should strive to improve.


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Subject: RE: Folk clubs in Kent
From: GUEST
Date: 15 Sep 11 - 05:20 AM

Flora G re points system (in our heads)

10 points for landlord/lady who puts out plate(s) of tasty sandwiches at 'half time'. After all we are regularly swelling their coffers with increased drinks sales. Also a natural break gives a chance for chat and NETWORKING WITH OTHERS IS V GOOD. Helps you to empathise even with the less appealing contributors.

Had forgotton the one about tuning during your go -drives me mad!!!! Such a waste of singing time for others.

Debate on duos and number of turns- if each is a major performer in turn in songs eg they each sing main song in turn, then they should have a song each and supporting each other should be encouraged as long as it's clear who the main contributor is. After all harmonies are great to listen to when you've had a diet of individual performers but you need to aim for two different sounds in 2 songs for entertainment value which you dont get if the same person is doing the singing for instance.


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Subject: RE: Folk clubs in Kent
From: melodeonboy
Date: 15 Sep 11 - 05:33 AM

"10 points for landlord/lady who puts out plate(s) of tasty sandwiches at 'half time'. After all we are regularly swelling their coffers with increased drinks sales. Also a natural break gives a chance for chat and NETWORKING WITH OTHERS IS V GOOD. Helps you to empathise even with the less appealing contributors."

Yes, I completely agree! (Chomp, chomp!)


"Naturally I would deduct marks for melodeons - being a guitar player myself."

Oi, you watch it, Mr. Bridge!


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Subject: RE: Folk clubs in Kent
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 15 Sep 11 - 05:35 AM

Agreed - go out to tune or at the very least find a distant corner and face away from the current singer. The nibbles at the Greyhound in Wheeler Street and at the White Horse in Upper (class) Stoke were always very good indeed.


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Subject: RE: Folk clubs in Kent
From: GUEST,FloraG
Date: 15 Sep 11 - 07:05 AM

yes - minus 10 for tuning up loudly while someone else is performing, minus 5 for not being ready if turns go round the room and having to re tune - although once was accompanied in a session by Martin Carthy - I think I can forgive him any amount of tuning. I thought it was so nice he joined in with us mortals.

I think food and free beer is less important than a warm welcome from both landlord and locals. Making sure the TV/ juke box / speakers are off if session expected.

Any self penned tuned in the category of teenage angst - whatever age the singer.

Eating crisps.
Oh dear - the list goes on.
FloraG.


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Subject: RE: Folk clubs in Kent
From: GUEST,Dibbs
Date: 15 Sep 11 - 07:24 AM

Sorry the anonymous guest 3 up about "10 points for food in pubs" was Dibbs who forgot to put name!

Question. Why does this site add such ridiculous times to messages? Do people really believe Melodeonboy and I are so sad as to be typing away at 5:30 in the morning?????? It it subterfuge so people cant identify each other i.e Melodeonboy and Mr Bridges must be really old retired codgers of about 70 to be typing away on Mudcat at 12pm- oops have I given away too much information????


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Subject: RE: Folk clubs in Kent
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 15 Sep 11 - 07:28 AM

1. Just one Bridge, please.
2. It's American time. Simples. Or at least one of the American times. Nearly as simples.
3. Old and grumpy - proudly so. Retired? Not.


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Subject: RE: Folk clubs in Kent
From: GUEST,bob
Date: 15 Sep 11 - 11:23 AM

flora G makes some good points,melodin boy should sort out mr bridge,cheeky bugger insulting his melodian!Same as the miserable sods who come out with all the anti banjo jokes,that is flamin true as well,invariably they are miserys(different to us grumpys)who have little fun,irish banjo or bluegrass banjo is great,feel good music I think.They should (anti banjo and melodian players)sit in the corner and tell banjo jokes to each other and maybe some "blonde"jokes,even a few melodian jokes,hilarious to them but rather tedious to proper musicians!Did flora mean the teenager type songs we somtimes hear,the self penned dull ones that really have little bite,more in place at gloomy venues rather than folk clubs-maybe I missed the point here,I class them as modern stuff but I am sure there is a better name,remember my dad going on about pop music and all this long hair,maybe I got same traits!grumpy


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Subject: RE: Folk clubs in Kent
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 15 Sep 11 - 12:07 PM

I have the answer. Guest Bob can organise a place for people to play jiggy-jiggy feelgood music on banjos and melodeons (why do they always sound like Nellie the Elephant?) and the rest of us can criticise that. There is absolutely NO WAY you'd get me to a club with a "feelgood" policy (unless it was Dr Feelgood).


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Subject: RE: Folk clubs in Kent
From: GUEST,bob
Date: 15 Sep 11 - 12:51 PM

got to be a few feelbad clubs about,doom and gloom,wristslashing facilities at hand,whoa is me!


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Subject: RE: Folk clubs in Kent
From: GUEST,FloraG
Date: 16 Sep 11 - 03:15 AM

I like a song to have a narrative. Ok - maybe 30 dead foxhounds and one live fox is a bit morbid - but tell me how the fox did it - not how he felf about it.
FloraG.


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Subject: RE: Folk clubs in Kent
From: GUEST, Richard Bridge
Date: 16 Sep 11 - 03:39 AM

There is some tradition of songs which make no sense, a well known example being Nottamun Town, and another being the Cutty Wren.


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Subject: RE: Folk clubs in Kent
From: melodeonboy
Date: 16 Sep 11 - 04:31 AM

I find myself slightly amused by the above average grumpy content of this thread! :)


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Subject: RE: Folk clubs in Kent
From: GUEST, Richard Bridge
Date: 16 Sep 11 - 05:52 AM

Tu quoque


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Subject: RE: Folk clubs in Kent
From: melodeonboy
Date: 16 Sep 11 - 07:18 AM

Wotcher, cock!


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Subject: RE: Folk clubs in Kent
From: Abdul The Bul Bul
Date: 16 Sep 11 - 10:25 AM

So, was there any agreement on the best reg'lar singaround in Kent?
Ash is a contender, Lower Stoke must have a chance although it's not 'year round', Bobs' Woodshed Sessions are on the short list shirley.
Al


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Subject: RE: Folk clubs in Kent
From: GUEST,Bluesman
Date: 16 Sep 11 - 11:48 AM

I was visiting friends in otford last year, we attended the Otford Folk Dance Club. great people and a wonderful evening was had by all.


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Subject: RE: Folk clubs in Kent
From: GUEST,STM
Date: 16 Sep 11 - 02:04 PM

Right, hi, it's Sinéad here...some of you I know, some of you I don't, so hello to all. I'm the 19 year old girl with red hair who always tries to sing but never quite manages it due to tuning...incase you need reminding!

Back to the thread.

I tried to read up top, but most of it just seems like boring old crap coming from generally grumpy people.

For anyone looking for a session/singaround in Kent, my favourites include:

"The Greyhound" in Maidstone= every 2nd and 4th Monday a singaround would take place in The Greyhound pub in Maidstone, since it has been knocked down the singarounds now take place in the Swan on the 2nd Monday and the Old House at Home on the 4th Monday. This singaround is welcoming, well attended, balanced with tunes, shanties and songs (generally they go in a circle and everyone sings a song and at the end of the circle will be a tune set...they generally go around about twice or thrice and end with chorus songs and shanties. This is a well balanced mixed of ages and abilities- about half the people are my age (19-30) and the other half are 35+ ... some are very good, some are still beginning, there's a lot of trad songs but occasionally some singer songwriter/amerciana too. Free chilli/stew on the 4th Monday!

Faversham folk club= again, a welcoming club but slightly more formal than the above. £1 entry, every Wednesday. Mostly trad. singing with the occasional poem. Some very good performers and some beginners. They hold a guest night once a month and have had acts such as the Askew Sisters, Martin Simpson, etc.

Seven Stars= bit of a trek for me but I enjoyed the welcoming atmostphere. Not trad enough for my taste but some talented musicians. Never had a problem with background noise/people.

My two cents.
Sinéad.


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Subject: RE: Folk clubs in Kent
From: Acme
Date: 16 Sep 11 - 03:33 PM

I tried to read up top, but most of it just seems like boring old crap coming from generally grumpy people.

And you sound like an uppity 19-year-old! Welcome to mudcat, but keep in mind those grumpy people you're complaining about may be in a position to do you a favor one day.

SRS


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Subject: RE: Folk clubs in Kent
From: GUEST,FloraG
Date: 17 Sep 11 - 04:22 AM

Sinead
It is lovely to hear from you. Most of us skim read - and mudcat can get a bit inward looking.

Some of the best sing arounds in kent are the singing morris sides. Look out for their programmes - the dancing out usually starts around May, but the venues are different each week. With Bishop Gundulf the singing would start at about 9.30. We did some collective tunes - usually the dance ones - so the less confident players could learn the tunes. We then asked all individuals who wanted to perform to do a turn including guests - and we also did some community songs - things like dirty old town - where everybody knew the words and they were played in melodeon friendly keys. It did not matter who started these - as all who wished could join in.   

I think the height of BGs music success was when one of the youngsters said ' I cant play with you next year Flora'. Whys that then? ' I'm off to the Mehnuin School.''

Also try the Rainham club on the first 3 Fridays of each month. Its next to Rainham station at the Oast - upstastairs in the bar. More of an open mike set up but not usually with mikes. A good way to start the weekend. They also have very good raffles.

At the same venue is an Americanna night - First and third Wednesdays - with the open mike set up. You can get there by train - Canterbury -London line and there is some parking behind the Oast. Hope to meet you some time.
FloraG.


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Subject: RE: Folk clubs in Kent
From: GUEST,bob
Date: 20 Sep 11 - 11:28 PM

what is mudcatters view on things like autoharps?Bit of a mechanical way of making music some say,I quite like the sound if they are in tune and even seen them plugged in-is that a passable folky thing?


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Subject: RE: Folk clubs in Kent
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 21 Sep 11 - 05:02 AM

Autoharps are very folky, quite authentic, but are VERY hard to keep in tune - lots and lots of very short strings with primitive piano-style tuning pegs that need precise equal temperament tuning - and because the strings are short, tiny changes in temperature (or humidity, which affects the wood) create havoc, and because there are so many strings, retuning is not a task to be approached with equanimity.

Out of tune they sound horrid, so the poor autoharpist really needs to tune at the last second before performing.

They are hard to mic or to put a contact pickup on because they are quiet and the bodies don't vibrate much.

They sound best played with steel guitarists' claws picking at the strings, and then they can sound quite like a harp. The picking does not need to be very precise because the bars of the autoharp mute the unwanted strings. My late wife Jacqui Walker whom some of you may remember used sometimes to play that way.


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Subject: RE: Folk clubs in Kent
From: GUEST,Wee Jock
Date: 21 Sep 11 - 06:03 AM

Sinead

Re your review of fav singaround, one of the most welcomimg is the
Good Intent in Rochester, which is on three Tuesdays a month, the 1st & 3rd being a singaround, the 2nd, being a Concert Night featuring many local artists. Dean and myself have done a couple of concert nights there. The type of music varies from Trad to contemporary, to self penned and also tunes. It would be really good to see and hear you sing.

Cheers

Wee Jock (one half of Border Crossing )


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Subject: RE: Folk clubs in Kent
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 21 Sep 11 - 08:41 AM

""We are getting there. Please keep going. How about 'Sic Transit'""

"Sic Transit" are definitely up for that Simon, as is "Poetry Bird".

Don T.


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Subject: RE: Folk clubs in Kent
From: Girl Friday
Date: 21 Sep 11 - 09:15 AM

Thanks Sinead for mentioning Seven Stars (Crayside Folk Club). I am sorry that it is not traditional enough for you, but we have a very good mix, in which trad figures fairly highly, since the arrival of Johnny (not Little Legs/Wee Jock) , Mathews. Please come and sing with us again. It's good to know that you, at least, have found a venue that young people like going to , and that they are enjoying the traditional stuff. Remember, what you hear at singarounds is determined by who turns up ro sing.


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Subject: RE: Folk clubs in Kent
From: Rob Naylor
Date: 21 Sep 11 - 09:19 AM

Stilly river Sage: Sinéad: tried to read up top, but most of it just seems like boring old crap coming from generally grumpy people.

Stilly River Sage: And you sound like an uppity 19-year-old! Welcome to mudcat, but keep in mind those grumpy people you're complaining about may be in a position to do you a favor one day.


Sinéad's been posting here for quite some time!!! And she's not uppity at all, but from my odd encounter with her in real life she very much hides her light under a bushel. A lot of what's posted above DOES sound like "boring old crap coming from generally grumpy people"...I agree with her entirely there, and I'm 56! I think one reason many folk venues are so short of youngsters is the patronising attitude they encounter from some of the "more mature" attendees.

Sinéad's open-minded enough to say that she enjoyed the Seven Stars, even though it isn't "trad" enough for her, whereas a lot of the posters above seem so set in their ways that they refuse to have anythingto do with something outside their "comfort zone".


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Subject: RE: Folk clubs in Kent
From: Girl Friday
Date: 21 Sep 11 - 09:26 AM

Well put, Rob


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Subject: RE: Folk clubs in Kent
From: Rob Naylor
Date: 21 Sep 11 - 09:45 AM

GF: I love it when I see Johny sitting there as I come through the door, because I know that we'll get some decent "trad" and that maybe I'll be able to sneak in something a bit more contemporary :-)

And Rachael also adds a lot to the mix...loved her version of "Crazy Man Michael" on Monday.


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Subject: RE: Folk clubs in Kent
From: melodeonboy
Date: 21 Sep 11 - 02:58 PM

It's always a pleasure to hear John Matthews. Technical excellence, well-chosen material and a real passion for the music.


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Subject: RE: Folk clubs in Kent
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 21 Sep 11 - 04:08 PM

And the beer...


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Subject: RE: Folk clubs in Kent
From: GUEST, Poxicat
Date: 21 Sep 11 - 04:24 PM

Some of the grumping may be personal


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Subject: RE: Folk clubs in Kent
From: Will Fly
Date: 21 Sep 11 - 04:50 PM

Autoharps are very folky, quite authentic

Authentic, Richard? Please define 'authentic' while I run for cover... :-)


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Subject: RE: Folk clubs in Kent
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 21 Sep 11 - 05:29 PM

Used in folk (see 1954 definition) since their invention in probably (a guess) Victorian times.


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Subject: RE: Folk clubs in Kent
From: The Barden of England
Date: 21 Sep 11 - 05:39 PM

I know Sinéad well, and she is well versed in what we do - more than many of you know in fact. Her points are valid, and that's coming from a 66 year old who can bore with the best.
Where I disagree with her is that she cannot sing - the lady protesteth too much IMHO.
John Barden


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Subject: RE: Folk clubs in Kent
From: Rob Naylor
Date: 22 Sep 11 - 05:51 AM

John...Absolutely! She has this weird idea that she can't sing, but the few times I've heard her she's been a pleasure to listen to.

Once she develops a bit of self-confidence (rich, coming from someone who turns into a quivering jelly every time I play in front of an audience) she'll be a force to be reckoned with!


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Subject: RE: Folk clubs in Kent
From: Girl Friday
Date: 22 Sep 11 - 07:18 AM

Mr Murderer of Shirts- we are talking about Johhnny Mathews aren't we ?

The other one's good, but he has no Y and only one T !


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Subject: RE: Folk clubs in Kent
From: GUEST,Wee Jock
Date: 22 Sep 11 - 07:26 AM

Girl Friday

Is there more than one of me, i cannot remember being split in two, if i was what one am i,and when was it i must be told, i am so confused, but not in pain.

Regards

Wee Jock aka John Matthews


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Subject: RE: Folk clubs in Kent
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 22 Sep 11 - 07:56 AM

If you drink enough you get to see double...


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Subject: RE: Folk clubs in Kent
From: melodeonboy
Date: 22 Sep 11 - 10:43 AM

Two Wee Jocks? Now that does sound worrying!


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Subject: RE: Folk clubs in Kent
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 22 Sep 11 - 11:00 AM

Pile them up, one on top of the other, and save him standing on a chair...


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Subject: RE: Folk clubs in Kent
From: GUEST,Dibbs in defence of a good man!
Date: 30 Sep 11 - 05:35 AM

Hmmmm..............unto him that flingeth brickbats at Mr. Mathews I say the aforementioned Scot is not only passionate about his music and a meticulous performer but unfailingly courteous and friendly/chatty to other performers.
Desist Sir or in the words of Melodeonboy "Wotcher!!"


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Subject: RE: Folk clubs in Kent
From: Girl Friday
Date: 30 Sep 11 - 02:28 PM

Wee Jock.. has not been split asunder..... they'd be extrmely wee Jocks would they not ? Probably just big enough for leprechaun !

Neither, has he been cloned.... Johnny Mathews is considerably taller, and is always accompanied by his Guide Dog, Kathy .


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Subject: RE: Folk clubs in Kent
From: GUEST
Date: 10 Oct 11 - 04:17 AM

The Wolf I regularly go to various folk clubs and my greatest bugbear is that the word? is the length of some songs sung at singarounds. In my view if someone is headlining they are entitled to do what they like to fill their time with chat and long songs. However in my view when other people are waiting to sing it is up to the co-ordinator to limit the length of songs within reason for the good of all so that as many people are heard as possible. Do people have any views as to how this can be done wolf


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Subject: RE: Folk clubs in Kent
From: GUEST,bob
Date: 10 Oct 11 - 12:19 PM

ohh yes well spoken mr or mrs wolf!I find same whilst being only an occasional performer, one singaround performer can bog the whole thing down on a long winded version of a song and not always trad folk-bob(on and on and on and on and on and on)dylan songs that truthfully most normal mortals havnt a clue of what its about can be shortened and sound acceptable-example,the Birds doing mr tamborine man made a great song by cutting it to acceptable length,im sure bob(my namesake)dylans version is great to die hard dylan people but come on, this is a singaround not a guiness world record attempt at longest song known to mankind!It does make it unfair to others present hoping to get one more in so to speak,other offenders are the paper rustling trads reading a folk song from numerous sheets of paper,verse after verse after.......verse,the rustling then gives them a breather to find next 10 verses on another sheet,please lord,no more!!!!!As wolf said its a singaround,not a featured guest spot thats the problem-id say take note culprits and I now run for cover as the flack starts.....!


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Subject: RE: Folk clubs in Kent
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 10 Oct 11 - 01:10 PM

May I fire the first shot?


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Subject: RE: Folk clubs in Kent
From: GUEST,bob
Date: 20 Oct 11 - 02:50 AM

yawwwwwwnnnn.....


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Subject: RE: Folk clubs in Kent
From: GUEST,bob
Date: 13 Dec 11 - 03:50 AM

goodness me this forum is duller than most folk songs(if thats possible)!


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Subject: RE: Folk clubs in Kent
From: GUEST,FloraG
Date: 14 Dec 11 - 03:15 AM

Dartford had a really good night last night with Phill Beer and guests Miranda and Rex.
They have a nice room, low cost beer and now have plenty of nearby parking for £1. They have a paid guest each week so limited floor spots.
FloraG


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Subject: RE: Folk clubs in Kent
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 14 Dec 11 - 02:02 PM

I can safely say that last night in the Good Intent was not at all boring. Bob Kenward had the tears of laughter running down the chairlegs, and his fiddle player Steve was a delight to hear. Lyndsey Rule gave a stunning rendition as the last but one song of the evening of Chris Wood's "England in Ribbons" - all three bar people hanging over the bar to listen with wistful expressions in a totally silenced room. Brian Carter and Steve gave a spectacular improvised rendition of "Summertime" as a tune, and Brian and Marion Rodgers were also on top form.

Come to that I thought my 12-string was roaring a bit on "Bonnie Lass of Anglesey" and "Good King Arthur's days" - both pushed up to G to let others the more readily join in.

And the Timothy Taylor's Landlord was wonderful and only £2.80 per pint.


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Subject: RE: Folk clubs in Kent
From: GUEST,FloraG
Date: 15 Dec 11 - 03:47 AM

Bob Kenwood is always good value and Lyndsay's singing is coming along splendidly. She took the lead in a song at our gig last night and got a very good audience reception.
FloraG.


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Subject: RE: Folk clubs in Kent
From: melodeonboy
Date: 15 Dec 11 - 10:19 AM

"both pushed up to G to let others the more readily join in."

I bet you only did that 'cos I wasn't there with my melodeon!


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