The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.)

Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.)
From: s&r
Date: 28 Sep 08 - 05:11 AM

Misinterpreting and adding to in the interest of some strange distorted political agenda

Stu

Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.)
From: GUEST,Volgadon
Date: 28 Sep 08 - 04:52 AM

So, is medical the only acceptable form, and how can you tell the difference, someone could obtain a certificate from the doctor, yet go to work. If I emigrated somewhere and got a job, would I be a capitalist imigrant?

Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.)
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 28 Sep 08 - 04:36 AM

The above poem, Stu, is not writings as one's own - I've recognized which part of the Bible I'm interpreting.

Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.)
From: catspaw49
Date: 27 Sep 08 - 11:35 PM

Not to fear Stu. Judging from the way he writes, I doubt he can speak well enough to speak for anything. Its a problem that comes with the yak genes......

Spaw

Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.)
From: s&r
Date: 27 Sep 08 - 07:32 PM

When I read his posts I have an awful fear that elsewhere in the world he might be thought to speak for England.

Folks, he's not English but he is thankfully unique

Stu

Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.)
From: catspaw49
Date: 27 Sep 08 - 07:24 PM

Stu, do you think that anyone who writes the crap he writes and preaches the bullshit he does is troubled by anything? Its not possible!

I think his biggest problem lately has been acquiring a new yak for his mother.....

Spaw

Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.)
From: s&r
Date: 27 Sep 08 - 07:19 PM

Don't you mind plagiarising and misinterpreting the Bible WAV?

Stu

Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.)
From: GUEST,Volgadon
Date: 27 Sep 08 - 05:44 PM

So, is medical the only acceptable form, and how can you tell the difference, someone could obtain a certificate from the doctor, yet go to work. If I emigrated somewhere and got a job, would I be a capitalist imigrant?

Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.)
From: catspaw49
Date: 27 Sep 08 - 05:11 PM

No Dude.....Just as in the case of your mother, I call a spade a spade.......or at least my NSHO. I don't care for Milton much so not liking it would be no surprise. Most of yours I've read just plain suck. Why not write one about your most used English instrument? Skin flute isn't it?......yeah, that's it!

Spaw

Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.)
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 27 Sep 08 - 05:03 PM

Strictly hypothetically, Catspaw, if I were to put one over you by plagarising say Milton, you'd still come up with the same alley-mouthed crude commentary - now get back to your kitty litter.

Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.)
From: catspaw49
Date: 27 Sep 08 - 08:45 AM

Geeziz Wavydoof......That one is just incredible crap and as poetry misses the mark by, oh say, roughly a million miles. All of your stuff is lousy but for god's sake man..........Did you know there is a difference between bad and aggrssively bad? I didn't until I read that piece of shit. A new low!

Did your mother think your father was just excessively hairy and never realize she'd been screwing a yak?

Spaw

Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.)
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 27 Sep 08 - 08:37 AM

THE WEEKLY WALKABOUT, E.G.

Poem 82 of 230: ON ACTS 4:32-35

Believers were all one in heart and mind -
    They shared their excesses, giving in kind.
No-one claimed any possessions one's own -
    Yes, it was socialism on the throne.

So not long were there desperate folk -
    Fair distribution was the tongue they spoke.
And wealthy owners would sell part their deed -
    Funds, via apostles, to those in need.

Yet today, all round our troubled earth,
    Some Christians, safe at their own snug hearth,
Vote for their electorate's Right-Wing party -
    That's hypocritical, it seems to me.

From walkaboutsverse.741.com

Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.)
From: GUEST,Volgadon
Date: 26 Sep 08 - 02:07 PM

So, is medical the only acceptable form, and how can you tell the difference, someone could obtain a certificate from the doctor, yet go to work.

Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.)
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 26 Sep 08 - 12:56 PM

I was 3, Stigweard, and I stressed FROM NOW ON.
I've never studied medicine, apart from a bit of first aid, Volgadon, but imagine that there would be cases of some being able to live a much more comfortable life in another nation, which might be called "medical emigration" - with a self-explanatory difference from capitalist/economic emigration, I would have thought.

Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.)
From: GUEST,Volgadon
Date: 26 Sep 08 - 10:17 AM

Wav, how do you separate between economic/capitalistic immigration and other forms?
And why do you disaprove of that regulation I mentioned, is it because you wouldn't have been able to find a job?

Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.)
From: Stu
Date: 26 Sep 08 - 09:46 AM

600.

So you're still happy to criminalise people wanting to live overseas? You did yourself - there's a whiff of hypocrisy about your argument WAV.

Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.)
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 26 Sep 08 - 09:15 AM

I maintain, Stigweard, that the other regulations I've proposed would make the world a much less unequal place, with much less of "the misery of poverty" you mention; and with eco-travel and fair-trade, rather than yet more conquest and economic/capitalist immigration/emigration, between nations.

Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.)
From: Stu
Date: 26 Sep 08 - 06:47 AM

"I think economic/capitalist (not all) immigration/emigration should be made illegal, from now on"

Why should people's freedom to work and live where they wish be curtailed? You would criminalise people who wanted out of this godforsaken shitehole of a society we've created for ourselves or escape from the misery of poverty to get a slice of the relative luxury we live in?

Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.)
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 26 Sep 08 - 06:15 AM

Does, indeed, look like a "no" from this angle, Volgadon; but, as I say, I think economic/capitalist (not all) immigration/emigration should be made illegal, from now on.

Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.)
From: GUEST,Volgadon
Date: 25 Sep 08 - 03:35 PM

I don't understand, is that a yes or a no.

Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.)
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 25 Sep 08 - 03:14 PM

No, Volgadon - I've listed other kinds of immigration (medical, e.g.), and there should be no such regulation around it, in my opinion.

Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.)
From: GUEST,Volgadon
Date: 25 Sep 08 - 02:24 PM

WAV, that was not my question.

Are you in support of a regulation that would make the employer have to provide a good, solid reason for why he is hiring a foreigner, and if he can't provide one, then has to take a native?

Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.)
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 25 Sep 08 - 02:14 PM

Okay Stu - next time I'll try to link to (or closer to) the actual poem, etc.
Volgadon - as part of such regulationism, I've said economic/capitalist (NOT all) emigration/immigration should be illegal, FROM NOW ON.

Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.)
From: s&r
Date: 25 Sep 08 - 01:48 PM

Salient - the question was related to the likelihood of it being salient, not the typo

Stu

Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.)
From: s&r
Date: 25 Sep 08 - 11:29 AM

The real difficulty with your interminable links WAV is that they never go anywhere except the same page. The result is that if anyone wanted to check on your pronouncements of self judged wisdom, he/she would have to wade through page after page of badly written rubbish to arrive at the point you are trying to make.

There's still the problem of recognizing when you arrive at the salent(?) point.

Stu

Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.)
From: GUEST,Volgadon
Date: 25 Sep 08 - 11:16 AM

Are you in support of a regulation that would make the employer have to provide a good, solid reason for why he is hiring a foreigner, and if he can't provide one, then has to take a native?

Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.)
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 25 Sep 08 - 09:13 AM

...yes, the regulationism I propose in walkaboutsverse.741.com - instead of the "democratic capitalism" for which George Bush just restated his support - definitely would make things better for "ordinary people" (Volgadon).

Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.)
From: GUEST,Volgadon
Date: 24 Sep 08 - 12:26 PM

"Well, I hope you, too, Volgadon, are campaigning for re-nationalisation."

No, because there hasn't been any substantial difference. They still run to all the places they used to, with the same frequency, which isn't saying much. There are far worthier causes.

Now answer me this. Have you considered the IMPACT your regulations would have on ordinary people?

Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.)
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 24 Sep 08 - 10:42 AM

Well, I hope you, too, Volgadon, are campaigning for re-nationalisation.

Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.)
From: GUEST,Volgadon
Date: 24 Sep 08 - 05:13 AM

Please note that it is REAL but spelt IsrAel. Thank you.

Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.)
From: GUEST,Volgadon
Date: 24 Sep 08 - 05:11 AM

Here for me is Israel. Now what do you say about belling cats?

Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.)
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 24 Sep 08 - 04:39 AM

"I can see that, transport here was only privatised a decade or so ago" (Volgadon)...you mean Isreal (where I last heard you were living) or England? If you mean the latter, eureka, you've noticed I'm against some elements of the status quo!

Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.)
From: GUEST
Date: 24 Sep 08 - 04:24 AM

Well the smurfs succeed in putting a bell on Azrael, so logically speaking I dont see a problem with WAV's schemes.

Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.)
From: GUEST,Volgadon
Date: 23 Sep 08 - 05:34 PM

"Which facilities are you going to nationalise?" (Volgadon)...large ones, such as all public transport, such that, via regulations and modern IT, one could by a ticket from, say, any bus-stop in Cornwall to anyone in Northumberland.

I can see that, transport here was only privatised a decade or so ago.

The problems you mention with the UN will have to be overcome to make is stronger and more democratic; but it IS the best way forward, and it's good that it's been talked about here - the English media, e.g., give heaps more attention to the US than the UN, which is NOT a good thing, and I sometimes do my bit by making emailed complaints about it.

WAV, you'll be pleased to learn that I have located the logical fallacy in all your harebrained schemes. BELLING THE CAT!!!!!!!! Go read Aesop's Mice in Council.

Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.)
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 23 Sep 08 - 01:09 PM

I've read such posts from Amos for ages, Volgadon, and I think it's you who is misunderstanding things...perhaps I should have put an ! mark in my response above.
Ralphie - I've placed in a few NE folk-festival competitions (see here if you wish), where they don't have to award places, but do sometimes give feedback forms, which I've read and kept - much more positive than your opinion. But if you don't want me at your folk-club because my music makes you "violently sick" no less, perhaps you should say which one it is.

Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.)
From: GUEST,Volgadon
Date: 23 Sep 08 - 11:07 AM

If you had done reaserch, you would have seen that the only mention of Amos's poet in google is on this thread. I am not saying that if google turns nothing up then something doesn't exist, but it's a good indicator. Then go and read the poem, which clinches it.

Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.)
From: GUEST,Ralphie
Date: 23 Sep 08 - 10:22 AM

WAV

Bollocks.

Yes I have read your site.
And was then, violently sick.
You have no answers. You don't even understand the questions.
Oh, and would you please remove that garbage that you call music from your Myspace page.
It's giving the rest of us, hard working (talented) musicians a bad name.
If you ever turned up at my Folk Club for a floor spot..... (Go Figure)

Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.)
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 23 Sep 08 - 08:38 AM

"Which facilities are you going to nationalise?" (Volgadon)...large ones, such as all public transport, such that, via regulations and modern IT, one could by a ticket from, say, any bus-stop in Cornwall to anyone in Northumberland.
The problems you mention with the UN will have to be overcome to make is stronger and more democratic; but it IS the best way forward, and it's good that it's been talked about here - the English media, e.g., give heaps more attention to the US than the UN, which is NOT a good thing, and I sometimes do my bit by making emailed complaints about it.
And not that long ago, English club-football, e.g., was regulated (although not quite as much as I'd like) and was, indeed, mostly-locals in meaningful competition, rather than the greedy meaningless foreign-farce it is now.
Finally, you accuse me of not doing any research, but all I've just said is on my site, which I think you claimed to have read..?

Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.)
From: GUEST,Volgadon
Date: 23 Sep 08 - 08:02 AM

Alright WAV, who will reform the UN and enforce it's new regulations?
Or in other words, who will make the nations with veto power and multiple votes give them up? Why will the 192 nations, made up of various rivals and bitter enemies, suddenly choose to work together in harmony?
Who will see to it that things like 14 of the former SSRs won't gang up together and push through resolutions that are damaging for the 15th and largest? Just one example of many various problems. Who will control and oversee the UN's efforts? How will resolutions be enforced? If you give control to the UN chairman, guess what, you've succeeded in creating the first GLOBAL DICTATOR.
I'm not quite sure that you can have both a strong and a democratic UN. In something like that, it looks like either one or the other.

Which facilities are you going to nationalise?

What sort of wage restrictions and why?
As for restricting non-locals, have you considered what that might mean? One thought that springs to mind is that you will be tieying sportsmen down to their hometowns. Will they not be allowed to move for work, or will they have to reside for ex-amount of time in a certain place, in which case how will they be able to work for those five years (or however many you decide)?

Standardising English. What excatly do you mean. Are you going to ban all books and documents written in non-standard English (aacording to you)? Are you going to penalise anyone caught using non-standard English? Who is going to pay to have all the changes made, who is going to decide what standard and who is going to enforce it on all English speakers the world over?

Have you considered any of the HUMAN impact your proposed regulations will have on people?

Amos, brilliant indeed, and shows that WAV doesn't do any research.

Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.)
From: GUEST,Ralphie
Date: 23 Sep 08 - 05:25 AM

Amos.
Brilliant!!
Shame WAV doesn't understand irony!
Regards Ralphie

Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.)
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 23 Sep 08 - 05:00 AM

Volgadon - standardiSation of the spelling of English, the language of such greats as Pineas Forgesong Gewith (just above), would be one detail of my "grand scheme for regualtions."...others would be nationalisation of facilities (easier to regulate as such); a stronger more-democratic, one nation/one vote, UN; wage and non-local restrictions in sporting competitions, etc.

Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.)
From: GUEST,Volgadon
Date: 22 Sep 08 - 01:52 PM

WAV< come on, answer. Give me some details, not on a micro level, but on a reasonable one, of your grand scheme for regulations.

Anyway, American diferences in spelling sprang up from Englishmen, who brought them over, and from people who were trying to remove the foreign, French influences on English.

Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.)
From: Amos
Date: 22 Sep 08 - 01:01 PM

The shambles of a soul and art
Here, both combined in fell array,
With broken skills, seek to impart
Sad thoughts with nothing much to say.

How fallen are the gentle lights
Which Blake and Milton once employed,
Now ground to dullness and benight,
Echoing a mental void.

That rhytm, word, and muse as well
To such dull bathos could decay,
Decries the tale no man could tell
Of mortal dullnes, gang agley

Seeking in dusty corners far
Some glimmer, wit or token phrase,
To comfort souls in sullen bars
Against the pain of witless days.

Go then to paisley shorts and socks
of Argyle, shirts of tropic theme,
Turn to crochet, or painting rocks,
But leave alone the poet's dreams.

Take up accounting, spotting trains
Or inventory of city birds.
Haunt not this realm, with sodden brain
Turning the bright to the absurd.

Take not these shards from poets torn
And use their remnants tripe to spout;
We have enough, enough to mourn.
Go long, and far, and walk about.

Pineas Forgesong Gewirth, Abbot of Palmsfree
Getting-on-Inyeers, Lancs.
Drew Enfolie, Pubs., Edinboro, 1908

Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.)
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 22 Sep 08 - 12:44 PM

...Okay, Stu, but, as I just said, again, in verse and prose, to avoid such confusion, there should be just the one way of spelling - NOT pronouncing - English, in my opinion.

Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.)
From: s&r
Date: 22 Sep 08 - 11:44 AM

Sorry WAV look it up in an English dictionary...

'The -ize spelling is preferred by some authoritative British sources including the Oxford English Dictionary — which, until recently, did not list the -ise form of many words, even as an alternative — and Fowler's Modern English Usage. The OED firmly deprecates usage of "-ise", stating, "[T]he suffix…, whatever the element to which it is added, is in its origin the Gr[eek] -ιζειν, L[atin] -izāre; and, as the pronunciation is also with z, there is no reason why in English the special French spelling in -iser should be followed, in opposition to that which is at once etymological and phonetic."[4'

Stu

Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.)
From: mandotim
Date: 22 Sep 08 - 06:58 AM

Er; I know the difference very well WAV; A cousin is a championship standard player in Real Tennis. I also know how to pronounce Maslow, and how to play a musical instrument properly. Your point was?
Tim

Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.)
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 22 Sep 08 - 06:46 AM

And, as Don might say, Tim - that may be "touche"...I should have said 2 Real Tennis venues in England that I'm aware of/off the top of my head. But if you look back, it seems that, not long ago, you weren't aware of the Real and Lawn tennis difference at all.

Stu - Whilst different ways of pronouncing them are fine, the way of spelling English words should be SET in England - as I've suggested in verse, which I'll post again for newbies to this thread...

Poem 149 of 230: FOR BETTER OR WORSE

Largely due to America,
    English - to use Italian -
Is now the world's lingua franca,
    Where, it seems, it once was Latin;
But, while brogues are a good thing,
    I doubt American spelling.

From walkaboutsverse.741.com

Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.)
From: GUEST,Volgadon
Date: 21 Sep 08 - 04:15 PM

Wav, I don't expect micro-level details, just more than what you have given.

Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.)
From: Don Firth
Date: 21 Sep 08 - 03:58 PM

I case anyone missed it on the other thread. Coulda been worse. Check out the cargo!!

Uh-oh!

Don Firth

Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.)
From: s&r
Date: 21 Sep 08 - 03:43 PM

Wav - educated English and Americans use IZE except for words like realise.

ISE is a French (Horror) import

Stu