BS: Mudcat on Wikipedia

Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat on WIkipedia
From: CarolC
Date: 04 Aug 08 - 03:00 PM

When looking at the history of a page, if one sees this at the top...

This is an old revision of this page, as edited by Bozo the Clown(Talk) at 12:00, 25 December 2008. It may differ significantly from the current revision.

What this means is that the version one is looking at is the most recent version and that the person named is the one who made the most recent edit.

In order to see what that edit was, it is necessary to look at the actual edit. So for instance, Crusty the Clown might have made an edit to a page (lets say the Circus Clown page), in which Crusty accuses Bozo of having an affair with Beppo the Clown, and also saying that Chuckles the Clown put itch powder in Beppo's face cream. Bozo might see that and decide that he wants to remove the reference pertaining to himself, but leave in the reference to Chuckles (because Bozo knows that Chuckles can remove that reference himself).

What happens then, is that anyone who looks at the history will see that the most recent change was made by Bozo, and they will see the reference made by Crusty about Chuckles. It might be easy to conclude that Bozo was the one who added the bit about Chuckles, but that would be an incorrect conclusion.

Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat on WIkipedia
From: Gulliver
Date: 04 Aug 08 - 02:30 PM

I'll see whether that permanent link pointed out by Jeri can be removed. I also made a permanent link to the current and correct version of the site, in case of future vandalism. Probably because the article is so new, the vandalism was not dealt with as swiftly as I would have hoped for.

If you register with Wikipedia you can add the article to your watchlist, and monitor it every time you into Wikipedia.

Don (creator of the original Mudcat Cafe article)

Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat on WIkipedia
From: GUEST,lox
Date: 04 Aug 08 - 02:22 PM

This peer continues to hold Carol in High esteem, and finds her writing style infinitely superior to that of the wiki-troll.

---

Folks, get your last words in, as I am about to close this thread. Clearly we had one of our long term trolls up to no-good, they are getting a kick out of watching us cannibalize ourselves, and mistakes were made in tracking it down. I am going to give it another 5 minutes of discussion time and then shut it down.
Thanks.
**Mick Lane**

Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat on WIkipedia
From: CarolC
Date: 04 Aug 08 - 02:19 PM

Since the official Mudcat sport is to slime me from time to time with this kind of bullshit, don't expect it to stop any time soon.

Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat on WIkipedia
From: artbrooks
Date: 04 Aug 08 - 02:17 PM

Shall we stand around and beat each other over the head for things we didn't do? Or should we just politely ask the JoeClones to keep a casual eye on Wiki from time to time and go on to important things?

Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat on WIkipedia
From: CarolC
Date: 04 Aug 08 - 02:16 PM

Oh, for pete's sake.


These pages show all of the vandalism and when it was made...

Revision as of 11:29, 4 August 2008

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mudcat_Cafe&oldid=229755735


http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mudcat_Cafe&diff=cur&oldid=229755735


This page shows the revision that was made under the IP number 65.184.174.196

Revision as of 15:30, 4 August 2008

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mudcat_Cafe&diff=prev&oldid=229791125


15:30, 4 August 2008 is after 11:29, 4 August 2008.


Some people are showing themselves to be not only dirty, nasty, and evil minded, but also not very intelligent.

Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat on WIkipedia
From: GUEST,Jack the Sailor
Date: 04 Aug 08 - 02:12 PM

Jeri,

For some reason you are choosing not to listen to what Joe and Mick are saying. Its making you look pretty foolish because they are making a lot of sense. You obviously have some axe to grind with Carol. I'm sure that you would like to catch he in some terrible act but all she did in this case was delete a comment aim at you and her and most other women on this forum.

Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat on WIkipedia
From: Jeri
Date: 04 Aug 08 - 02:07 PM

Here's another view.

Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat on WIkipedia
From: Big Mick
Date: 04 Aug 08 - 02:04 PM

First off, Carol, you are the one who posted who you were. At the time we were looking, your identity was not known. What I wrote about was an IP. You made it known that was your IP. I then corrected what I wrote about an IP.

Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat on WIkipedia
From: Jeri
Date: 04 Aug 08 - 02:01 PM

People should click on 'newer edit' (or older edit as the case may be) to see the nasty shit written AFTER you edited out the bit about women, right before Amos tried to help by editing it out. If you edited out the stuff about women, you also added all the later shit.

You've been caught. Live with it.

Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat on WIkipedia
From: CarolC
Date: 04 Aug 08 - 01:57 PM

I know it would be expecting way too much from some people to anticipate any kind of apology for their nasty lies about me in this thread.

Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat on WIkipedia
From: dick greenhaus
Date: 04 Aug 08 - 01:56 PM

Who said: "Free stuff is worth aevery penny you spend on it"?

Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat on WIkipedia
From: CarolC
Date: 04 Aug 08 - 01:51 PM

Crossposted.

Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat on WIkipedia
From: CarolC
Date: 04 Aug 08 - 01:50 PM

That shows the last revised version and who made the last revision, which was editing out the part about women. If people are interested in the truth, they can look at the link I provided of the original vandalism made by efexor1.

Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat on WIkipedia
From: Joe Offer
Date: 04 Aug 08 - 01:49 PM

PDQ posted the second vandalism. Here's the first:

The Mudcat Cafe is a discussion group which also includes some features relating to folk music. It started in October 1996.

The discussion group (the Forum) is divided into music-related and non-music-related topics. The music-related section helps you locate lyrics and song titles and "Where are they now". The other section (non-music) is a place for a selected number of members to discuss everyday matters such as events in Israel and freedom of minority groups in the US. Please note the non-music section of the site is for a small selected group of members only. If you post a comment which is not about a minority group or Israel it will be removed by a moderator.

We have a wide base of members on "the cat" from bored moms to plastic Irish republicans.

Among other services provided by Mudcat is a Mudcat Songbook that presents MP3 recordings of songs that have been written by Mudcatters.

The site was originally founded by the great Max Spiegel. Joe O runs the cat these days and now brings a distinctly Jewish favour to the site. So if you care to come on-board please do so, remember no posting on the site by "guests".

As far as I can tell, both versions of the vandalism came from "Efexor1." There were some interim revisions that took our parts of the vandalism, but not all - that has the unfortunate consequence of making it appear that the person making the repairs could have been the vandal.

Interesting.

-Joe O-

Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat on WIkipedia
From: CarolC
Date: 04 Aug 08 - 01:48 PM

No, I did not edit out anything else. Anyone can edit a wikipedia page. I edited out the part that pertained to me.

Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat on WIkipedia
From: Jeri
Date: 04 Aug 08 - 01:47 PM

Maybe Mick, but I can't figure out why this is there. I believe the red text indicates changes made by 65.184.174.196.

So what's with that?

Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat on WIkipedia
From: Big Mick
Date: 04 Aug 08 - 01:44 PM

Carol is correct, I have gone back through the history. If she is 65.184.174.196, then she edited out the offending line about women. She did not edit out anything else.

I misread the history. Efexor1 is the person who made the anti semitic, and disparaging remarks. Not 65.184.174.196.

Mick

Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat on WIkipedia
From: CarolC
Date: 04 Aug 08 - 01:36 PM

The above links show that the vandalism was made before the revision made under the IP number 65.184.174.196.


Some people have really shown the world what they are made of in this thread.

Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat on WIkipedia
From: CarolC
Date: 04 Aug 08 - 01:34 PM

No, 65.184.174.196 did not make that addition. That addition was made by Efexor1...

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mudcat_Cafe&oldid=229755735

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The Mudcat Cafe

The Mudcat Cafe is an online discussion group which covers some items relating to folk music. It's been about since October 1996.

The discussion group (the Forum) is divided into music-related and non-music-related topics. Please understand the non-music section only permits threads relating to Israel (these must be pro-positive)and good causes, the type of things us old hippies tend to favour, like Gay Rights, legalising drugs, banning Nuclear weapons and free love man. The music-related section hosts lively discussions on American folk music, British folk music and that of many other cultures, origins and lyrics of songs, and related information. (If your topic is not pro Israel, it will be deleted). Here also Mudcatters provide and maintain information on a large number of folk clubs, folk festivals, music sessions and dances around the world. We also boast the greatest collection of plastic Irish republican paddies found on the web.

Among other services provided by Mudcat is a Mudcat Songbook that presents MP3 recordings of songs that have been written by Mudcatters, some of the songs are hard to listen too, and please do not encourage members by asking them about their music, otherwise they will send you a CD or two of their woeful renderings !

Origin of the name: The original Blues forum, founded by Max Spiegel, was named for a Mississippi Delta region catfish. This region was the birthplace of the American Delta Blues style. The fish is locally known as a Mudcat. Hence, a good name for a Blues forum. The forum has changed recently with Joe Offend now leading the moderators into the battle against anything this old herd of has-beens don't agree with ! Their is also a fine collection of women who have saw their best years and now watch their bits head south.



The revision I made is here...

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mudcat_Cafe&oldid=229755735


Like I said... anyone who doesn't have a dirty, nasty, evil minded axe to grind can go see for themself.

Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat on WIkipedia
From: Big Mick
Date: 04 Aug 08 - 01:29 PM

65.184.174.196 made the following additions:

On 4 August 2008
...Please understand the non-music section only permits threads relating to Israel (these must be pro-positive)and good causes, the type of things us old hippies tend to favour, like Gay Rights, legalising drugs, banning Nuclear weapons and free love man.

...If your topic is not pro Israel, it will be deleted

We also boast the greatest collection of plastic Irish republican paddies found on the web.

some of the songs are hard to listen to, and please do not encourage members by asking them about their music, otherwise they will send you a CD or two of their woeful renderings !

This was after Efexor1 started the ball rolling, and then deleted his/her page in Wiki. One can only surmise who Efexor1is.

See for yourself

Mick

Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat on WIkipedia
From: CarolC
Date: 04 Aug 08 - 01:21 PM

I'm the one who deleted the stuff about women. I am 65.184.174.196. All of the vandalism was done by someone else. Anyone who doesn't have a dirty, nasty, evil minded axe to grind can go and see that for themself...

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mudcat_Cafe&diff=prev&oldid=229791125

Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat on WIkipedia
From: SINSULL
Date: 04 Aug 08 - 01:18 PM

Thanks, Amos. Both feet on the ground now as are my boobs, sigh.

Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat on WIkipedia
From: Big Mick
Date: 04 Aug 08 - 01:16 PM

Folks that decide to do mischief on Wiki, ought to read how it works before they jump in. By not reading how it works, you allowed your IP to be posted. That, of course, allows one to figure out who made the anti semitic, and defamatory remarks. But it doesn't surprise me.

Mick

Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat on WIkipedia
From: CarolC
Date: 04 Aug 08 - 01:10 PM

I think someone is inventing stuff because they have an axe to gind.

Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat on WIkipedia
From: CarolC
Date: 04 Aug 08 - 01:09 PM

The reference to Joe Offer, along with all of the other vandalism, was done by Efexor1...

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mudcat_Cafe&oldid=229755735


65.184.174.196 took out the reference to women...

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mudcat_Cafe&oldid=229791125


66.237.213.130 took out all of the other questionable stuff, but did not change it back to the way it was before the vandalism...

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mudcat_Cafe&oldid=229791667

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mudcat_Cafe&oldid=229791777

Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat on WIkipedia
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 04 Aug 08 - 01:06 PM

It could be. I didn't follow every thread out more than one screen, just traced out a couple of distinctive contributors.

Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat on WIkipedia
From: Jeri
Date: 04 Aug 08 - 01:02 PM

I think 66.237... is Amos, and if you read ALL his contributions, he took out the slam.

I think Max/Joe might be quite interested in checking out who 65.184.174.196 is on Mudcat.

Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat on WIkipedia
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 04 Aug 08 - 12:53 PM

It appears the entry was started by someone who is banned. Is that Guest Gulliver? Are you Hohenloh?

It looks like Exfor1 started with slamming the site and 65.184.174.196 came in (or is it the same party, not logged on?) as did 66.237.213.130. That one took out useful text and left in the slam at Joe Offer.

Contributor 65.184.174.196 has also generated this traffic at Wikipedia:

15:30, 4 August 2008 (hist) (diff) Mudcat Cafe‎ (→The Mudcat Cafe)
21:57, 21 March 2006 (hist) (diff) Palestinian immigration (Israel)‎ (→Arab governmental responsibility)
21:05, 21 March 2006 (hist) (diff) Palestinian immigration (Israel)‎

Contributor 66.237.213.130 generated this traffic at Wikipedia:

15:34, 4 August 2008 (hist) (diff) Mudcat Cafe‎ (→The Mudcat Cafe)
15:33, 4 August 2008 (hist) (diff) Mudcat Cafe‎ (→The Mudcat Cafe)
20:14, 28 February 2008 (hist) (diff) Baja California‎ (→Demographics)
02:20, 2 November 2007 (hist) (diff) Event-driven programming‎ (→Event-driven version)
22:17, 17 September 2007 (hist) (diff) Tour de France (song)‎ (corrected some of the cycling terminology)
16:03, 7 August 2007 (hist) (diff) Baja California‎
21:12, 23 October 2006 (hist) (diff) Tina Russell‎
16:33, 17 October 2006 (hist) (diff) Tort‎
20:42, 6 October 2006 (hist) (diff) Psophometric weighting‎ (→See also)
16:10, 19 June 2006 (hist) (diff) Corporate jargon‎
16:07, 19 June 2006 (hist) (diff) Jargon‎
16:03, 19 June 2006 (hist) (diff) Wikipedia:Sandbox/Archive‎
16:36, 5 June 2006 (hist) (diff) Gran Turismo 4‎ (criticisms)
19:37, 3 April 2006 (hist) (diff) Miniature Pinscher‎ (→External links)
20:08, 28 March 2006 (hist) (diff) Miniature Pinscher‎ (→External links)
22:17, 14 March 2006 (hist) (diff) Miniature Pinscher‎ (→External links)
00:09, 11 February 2006 (hist) (diff) Miniature Pinscher‎ (Adding link to www.minpinstore.com)

It is interesting.

http://wikiscanner.virgil.gr/ is the address for the Wiki Scanner in case anyone wants to really start poking around.

SRS

Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat on WIkipedia
From: Jeri
Date: 04 Aug 08 - 12:44 PM

Don, I guess I don't know what's going on. I click on your user name and get:
User:Hohenloh
[snipped]
        This account has been blocked indefinitely from editing Wikipedia.

Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat on WIkipedia
From: GUEST,lox
Date: 04 Aug 08 - 12:39 PM

Funny really - somebody who has clearly been thrashed seven ways to sunday in the mudcat forum by superior and better informed writers has taken to bad mouthing them on a different forum.

Whatever.

Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat on WIkipedia
From: Amos
Date: 04 Aug 08 - 12:38 PM

Glad to hear it Don. You deserve a vote of thanks for getting the article done in the first place.


A

Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat on WIkipedia
From: GUEST,Gulliver
Date: 04 Aug 08 - 12:36 PM

Thanks, no hard feelings Amos. And by the way, contrary to what Jeri wrote, I have not been banned! I have about a dozen articles on Wikipedia that I update, and another dozen that I watch for updates or vandalism. Normally vandalism of this sort is spotted quickly by an editor--I'll have it investigated.

Don

Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat on WIkipedia
From: Jeri
Date: 04 Aug 08 - 12:33 PM

Gulliver put up the original non-sarcastic article.
Someone else ('Efexor) vandalized it.
Amos 'fixed' it.
Gulliver changed it back to his original.

Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat on WIkipedia
From: Amos
Date: 04 Aug 08 - 12:32 PM

Sins:

You may have turned upside down and not noticed....


A

Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat on WIkipedia
From: SINSULL
Date: 04 Aug 08 - 12:30 PM

I am confused and amused. Gulliver put up the original (sarcastic) review and Amos corrected it? Gulliver has been banned from WIKIpedia? Which ladies are being insulted? Can't be me - my parts went so far south that they now north again.
Mary

Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat on WIkipedia
From: Amos
Date: 04 Aug 08 - 12:19 PM

Gulliver:

My apologies--it was all the data I had at the time. I have seen since then that the edit trail indicates you were a wrong target. Mea culpa. I can't blame you for being put out.


A

Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat on WIkipedia
From: GUEST,Gulliver
Date: 04 Aug 08 - 12:17 PM

I created the original article and have been updating it almost on a daily basis, but haven't been on the net over the past couple of days, so I did not notice the vandalism until today. I reverted the whole article to the state it was before the vandalism started.

I was a little put out that Amos suspected me of vandalizing my own article, as a quick search of my posts would have showed that I've taken a lot of trouble, and consulted several people before creating the article or updating.

Don

Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat on WIkipedia
From: Jeri
Date: 04 Aug 08 - 12:02 PM

MMario, the person who wrote the original (and currently current) article was banned.

The person who make the grammatically challenged, pouty changes hasn't yet been. See here and click on "diff' to find changes made.

Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat on WIkipedia
From: Amos
Date: 04 Aug 08 - 11:56 AM

I edited out the snarky bits.

A

Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat on WIkipedia
From: artbrooks
Date: 04 Aug 08 - 11:53 AM

Quick fix, that.

There is a link there to some {apparently} out of date information on the DT that needs some updating...you out there, Susan or Dick?

Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat on WIkipedia
From: quokka
Date: 04 Aug 08 - 11:48 AM

Good thing we're not insecure here on the 'cat! I reckon it says a whole lot more about the writer than our (mostly) kind and friendly little forum. The generosity of spirit I've witnessed here in the few short months I've been on is truly something to cherish, and those few detractors who enjoy baiting others, we can pity their small bitter hearts and not let them get the rest of us down. Long live Mudcat!
Cheers,
Quokka

Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat on WIkipedia
From: MMario
Date: 04 Aug 08 - 11:44 AM

the editing history is very interesting.

Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat on WIkipedia
From: GUEST,hg
Date: 04 Aug 08 - 11:42 AM

the bits are definitely heading south!or in my case they are already in the south!

Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat on WIkipedia
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 04 Aug 08 - 11:36 AM

Someone went in and cleaned the whole lot up - well done.

Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat on WIkipedia
From: Jean(eanjay)
Date: 04 Aug 08 - 11:33 AM

The heading south bit isn't there anymore.

Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat on WIkipedia
From: John on the Sunset Coast
Date: 04 Aug 08 - 11:32 AM

This is an example of why I often say, in effect, that articles on Wikipedia need to be read with healthy dose of skepticism.

Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat on WIkipedia
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 04 Aug 08 - 11:31 AM

I would lean towards British, Ebbie. The "their is" spelling is particularly prevalent over here... Also the "heading south" expression.

Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat on WIkipedia
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 04 Aug 08 - 11:30 AM

Gulliver also asked me the same thing, Amos - but I recognise nothing of mine in that text! That was only last Friday, so I don't think he'd have had time yet. My guess is, it must be someone else.

regards

Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat on WIkipedia
From: Ebbie
Date: 04 Aug 08 - 11:29 AM

Is this British satire? lol

Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat on WIkipedia
From: Amos
Date: 04 Aug 08 - 11:28 AM

I have reason to believe this was written by a person using the handle Gulliver, here on the Cat. He wanted permission to use some of my language from a thread, which I gave freely.

I have np idea whether he is the sole author or whether his original work has been graffiti'd.

In any case it is a rather jejeune and short-sighted piece of work.


A

Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat on WIkipedia
From: MMario
Date: 04 Aug 08 - 11:27 AM

Did you notice the contributor has been blocked from wikipedia?

Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat on WIkipedia
From: bobad
Date: 04 Aug 08 - 11:27 AM

Everyone's a critic.

Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat on WIkipedia
From: Jean(eanjay)
Date: 04 Aug 08 - 11:26 AM

whoops cross posted

Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat on WIkipedia
From: Jean(eanjay)
Date: 04 Aug 08 - 11:25 AM

a fine collection of women who have saw their best years pass them

I think (s)he means who have SEEN their ........

Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat on WIkipedia
From: CarolC
Date: 04 Aug 08 - 11:25 AM

"Their is" and "have saw".

Interesting spelling and grammar.

Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat on WIkipedia
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 04 Aug 08 - 11:22 AM

I found it childish, and as such worthier of pity and derision than taking offense. Of course, I am neither named personally, nor is the general direction of my "bits" stipulated. I only share in the "herd of has-beens" alongside the rest of y'all...

Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat on WIkipedia
From: pdq
Date: 04 Aug 08 - 11:17 AM

...here it is, in case of modification or worse:


The Mudcat Cafe

The Mudcat Cafe is an online discussion group which covers some items relating to folk music. It's been about since October 1996.

The discussion group (the Forum) is divided into music-related and non-music-related topics. Please understand the non-music section only permits threads relating to Israel (these must be pro-positive)and good causes, the type of things us old hippies tend to favour, like Gay Rights, legalising drugs, banning Nuclear weapons and free love man. The music-related section hosts lively discussions on American folk music, British folk music and that of many other cultures, origins and lyrics of songs, and related information. (If your topic is not pro Israel, it will be deleted). Here also Mudcatters provide and maintain information on a large number of folk clubs, folk festivals, music sessions and dances around the world. We also boast the greatest collection of plastic Irish republican paddies found on the web.

Among other services provided by Mudcat is a Mudcat Songbook that presents MP3 recordings of songs that have been written by Mudcatters, some of the songs are hard to listen to, and please do not encourage members by asking them about their music, otherwise they will send you a CD or two of their woeful renderings !

Origin of the name: The original Blues forum, founded by Max Spiegel, was named for a Mississippi Delta region catfish. This region was the birthplace of the American Delta Blues style. The fish is locally known as a Mudcat. Hence, a good name for a Blues forum. The forum has changed recently with Joe Offend now leading the moderators into the battle against anything this old herd of has-beens don't agree with ! Their is also a fine collection of women who have saw their best years pass them and now watch their bits head south.

Subject: BS: Mudcat on WIkipedia
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 04 Aug 08 - 11:06 AM

Did anyone spot this? Clearly penned by someone with a whole field of potato chips on his shoulder!