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Tech: YouTube versus MIDI

GUEST,leeneia 05 Aug 08 - 10:05 PM
Joe Offer 06 Aug 08 - 02:03 AM
pavane 06 Aug 08 - 03:43 AM
treewind 06 Aug 08 - 03:53 AM
GUEST,leeneia 06 Aug 08 - 10:32 AM
Bill D 06 Aug 08 - 02:28 PM
Bill D 06 Aug 08 - 02:39 PM
McGrath of Harlow 06 Aug 08 - 02:40 PM
GUEST,leeneia 06 Aug 08 - 02:53 PM
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Subject: Tech: YouTube versus MIDI
From: GUEST,leeneia
Date: 05 Aug 08 - 10:05 PM

Just ten minutes ago, something happened that I want to ask the experts about. As it happened, a catter made a link to a video of Hayley Westernra singing 'All Things Bright and Beautiful', and I wanted to hear it. So I played the video, which is a very slick, professional-looking thing, not something posted by the typical amateur. So far, so good.

The next thing that happens is that my Noteworthy Composer program has lost its MIDI connection. My piano keyboard will not make a sound, and when I play a document, the music seems to advance (notes turn from black to red) but no sound comes out. Bummer! There was some code in that video that appropriated my MIDI.

This happens rather often. I can enjoy several videos, then along comes one that interferes with my setup. Fortunately, I can undo the dirty deed by using System Restore, but that gets old after a while.

Nothing on Noteworthy Composer seems to have changed - the settings are the same under Tools-Options-MIDI. The change is deeply buried. I asked the customer service reps at Noteworthy about this, but they didn't know nothing.

Any suggestions for protecting my from these evil videos?


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Subject: RE: Tech: YouTube versus MIDI
From: Joe Offer
Date: 06 Aug 08 - 02:03 AM

I have the same problem, Leeneia, although I hadn't traced it to a specific cause. It could well be YouTube videos. Gee, I'd hate to swear off them.
If it happens, all the sounds on my computer are crackly after that - MIDI and CD and MP3 recordings, and any other sounds. The one solution I've found is to replace the driver for my sound card, which is a bit of a scary operation if you're not savvy.
I'm assuming you have Windows XP or Vista and that you have an always-on broadband Internet connection:
  • Right-click on My Computer ("Computer" in Vista) and select "properties.

  • Then select Device Manager

  • Look down the list until you find the selection for "sound" (may have a little loudspeaker icon) - you may have to click on a "plus +" sign to get to the actual sound card driver

  • Highlight the sound card driver, and delete it - if it asks if you're sure, say "yes"

  • Reboot your computer, and the sound card driver will reinstall.

  • That should take care of it....except that now the headphone jack isn't working on my computer.

    Good luck.
    -Joe-


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    Subject: RE: Tech: YouTube versus MIDI
    From: pavane
    Date: 06 Aug 08 - 03:43 AM

    I assume that your video playback driver is hijacking the MIDI setup, probably by accident, as it doesn't need to play MIDI files.

    I have found MIDI setup to be much more difficult to find in Vista and XP than it was in WIN98. It has taken me a lot of effort to get MIDI playback working at all on my VISTA laptop.


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    Subject: RE: Tech: YouTube versus MIDI
    From: treewind
    Date: 06 Aug 08 - 03:53 AM

    YouTube uses Flash, so it is most likely your Adobe Flash Player that is causing the trouble. It's grabbed the computer's sound system and hasn't let it go once you've finished playing the video.

    Nothing to do with MIDI or NWC specially; any other program that wants to make a noise would fail too.

    Apart from Joe's suggestion, you might be able to kill off a Flash Player process to release the sound system for other programs to use, but when I tried just now it wasn't obvious how to do that. I assume you tried closing your web browser before playing MIDIs etc?

    Anahata


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    Subject: RE: Tech: YouTube versus MIDI
    From: GUEST,leeneia
    Date: 06 Aug 08 - 10:32 AM

    Thanks for all these insights. Yes, I am using Windows XP home.

    Treewind, I could not swear in court that I closed the web browser, but the problem has happened so many times that no doubt I was trying to make music while the browser was closed. (I only open the browser when I want to use the web. It doesn't stay on all the time.)

    Joe, I know what you mean about hating to swear off youtube videos. I have had such lately listening to various yodelers and seeing how audiences reacted. There is probably no cable TV channel for yodelers, so youtube is the only way to do it.

    However, youtube is not the only problem. Any sound-producing page can be guilty. I even lost my MIDI a few months ago to an innocent, demure page linked here at the Mudcat. I think it had a pink background with bluebirds on it.

    Pavane, when you lose your MIDI, have you tried System Restore to get it back? It works for me.

    Joe, your sound-card driver operation is too daunting for me. I will stick with System Restore. Trouble is, System Restore takes a while and it restores things I wanted to get rid off. Once it is done, I have to get rid of them all over.

    Why can't other people just leave my computer alone?


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    Subject: RE: Tech: YouTube versus MIDI
    From: Bill D
    Date: 06 Aug 08 - 02:28 PM

    This 'may' be a simple fix....

    There are a number of 'channels' in your sound system, as shown inthis image.
    It does happen that some programs set certain sliders to minimum when playing some formats. You need to check the settings in the "windows mixer". (I have an icon in my tray that brings it up)

    (One program, which plays Real Audio files, ALWAYS sets the volume to zero at the beginning of each song, and I have to remember to manually change it)


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    Subject: RE: Tech: YouTube versus MIDI
    From: Bill D
    Date: 06 Aug 08 - 02:39 PM

    If you have Windows, you can get this free program which will give you amazing control over the audio system. It will do more things than you probably need, but the basics are pretty simple.


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    Subject: RE: Tech: YouTube versus MIDI
    From: McGrath of Harlow
    Date: 06 Aug 08 - 02:40 PM

    "System Restore takes a while and it restores things I wanted to get rid of." If you set System Restore to use the most recent restore point that shouldn't be a problem, surely. Unless you've been having a busy time getting rid of other stuff earlier on the same day your Midi got screwed.


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    Subject: RE: Tech: YouTube versus MIDI
    From: GUEST,leeneia
    Date: 06 Aug 08 - 02:53 PM

    Bill D, I'll check for a windows mixer. Thanks.

    McGrath - you're right, of course. Trouble is, I usually don't know when the settings were changed. So I have a few favorite dates to go back to. I just need to get some newer favorite dates.


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    Subject: RE: Tech: YouTube versus MIDI
    From: McGrath of Harlow
    Date: 06 Aug 08 - 05:15 PM

    My System Restore has daily restore points. (At least they are marked in bold on the System Restore calendar, which is supposed to indicate a restore point.) So I'd just go back to yesterday, if something like this happened.


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    Subject: RE: Tech: YouTube versus MIDI
    From: GEST
    Date: 06 Aug 08 - 06:20 PM

    Currently I have 220 YouTube videos on my site at GEST Songs of Newfoundland and Labrador. Many of the pages they are on have had MIDI files on them for years. I found it necessary to re-write a lot of code in order to be XHTML 1.0 Transitional compliant and to insure the YouTube, MIDI files, WAV files, and Mp3 files are also cross-browser compatible. It is a time-consuming process, but it is slowly getting done.

    I have been told the results are excellent and I wonder if the older MIDI file links which were now auto-loading into Quicktime or some other external player could be part of the problem you are experiencing. The only snag I have seen now is playing a YouTube video and a music file of another format simultaneously. I find it is necessary to stop either one before starting the other. Simply pausing the play usually does not let the other format load, I guess because the stream is still feeding the page.

    Here is a page with The Badger Drive video and two MIDI files on it:
    http://wtv-zone.com/phyrst/audio/nfld/01/badger.htm ... Note that the MIDI file coding embeds its own player rather than allowing an external player to remove the visitor from the page.

    I hope this information helps.

    GEST


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    Subject: RE: Tech: YouTube versus MIDI
    From: GUEST,leeneia
    Date: 06 Aug 08 - 11:13 PM

    YouTube movies can play MIDI files? Never mind.

    If I play a video of Heather Westernra of New Zealand (I think) singing 'All Things Bright and Beautiful' on a TV show with a band in the background, I don't think the sound I hear is a MIDI. For one thing, MIDI couldn't do her voice. Nonetheless, after playing that video, my music program doesn't work.

    I think they have malware which is sneaking around my computer and saying something like 'let's disconnect this switch, because we need this circuit to make the saxophone gurgle.'

    Really.

    The only music player I have is Windows Media player. No QuickTime.

    Nonetheless, thanks for your thoughts, and I'm glad to hear that you are scrupulous in your programming. Not everybody is.


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    Subject: RE: Tech: YouTube versus MIDI
    From: pavane
    Date: 07 Aug 08 - 05:50 AM

    When I first had my VISTA laptop, it refused to produce sound from MIDI programs like CUBASE. I had to delve into the setup, and I still don't know what I did to fix it, but it magically appeared after I had just EXAMINED some settings, without changing any as far as I knew.

    In previous versions, I could access the MIDI mapper, but not in VISTA (Unless someone knows differently)


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    Subject: RE: Tech: YouTube versus MIDI
    From: GUEST,leeneia
    Date: 07 Aug 08 - 09:45 AM

    From what I hear, it seems that each new operating system makes a computer more of a secretive 'black box.' I'm glad I have windows XP, not vista.


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    Subject: RE: Tech: YouTube versus MIDI
    From: Bill D
    Date: 07 Aug 08 - 02:14 PM

    "The only music player I have is Windows Media player."

    Hmmmm...well, as long as it gets you there. There 'are' much better ones, more fun to use, capable of more stuff...etc..and free.

    I have way too many, but it's kind of a hobby. I use different ones to play different kinds of formats. (though I do have a couple which will play 'most' formats)

    If you'd like a pure MIDI player, just holler... *smile*


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    Subject: RE: Tech: YouTube versus MIDI
    From: GUEST,leeneia
    Date: 07 Aug 08 - 10:39 PM

    I may be wrong about not having another player. I tried looking at Control Panel, but I didn't understand it, really.

    But I don't think I want to change anything on my computer. If I want to listen to music, I have fine stereo equipment. I already own so much recorded music that I couldn't possibly use all of it, so I feel no urge to use mp3's, etc. I am content, as Dave Barry said, to stick to my 'round things.' (CD, cassette tapes, LP's)

    I use my computer a lot to download and edit music to be played with my friends or in church. Sometimes I do a little composing, too. These activities, which require a working MIDI connection and piano keyboard, are more important to me than the playing of other people's music.

    But to tell you the truth, when I play a video such as Harry Secombe singing 'All Things Bright and Beautiful,' the music sounds fine to me, but I have no idea what hardware is doing the playing.

    By the way, I found that screen you posted earlier with the slider bars on it, but mine didn't have the column labeled MIDI. (cue theme from Twilight Zone)

    But thanks for the offer.


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    Subject: RE: Tech: YouTube versus MIDI
    From: pavane
    Date: 08 Aug 08 - 06:26 AM

    MIDI files don't usually have vocals (though these days it can be done, I think)


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    Subject: RE: Tech: YouTube versus MIDI
    From: GUEST,leeneia
    Date: 18 Aug 08 - 10:05 PM

    I think I've got it! In XP or earlier you go

    Start
    run
    Sndvol32.exe

    Then slide the vertical bar for the synthesizer up some.

    I found this in a Noteworthy FAQ. Apparently media players turn the synthesizer down to zero, and when I press on the keys of my 'piano', the computer doesn't even feel it.

    I have decided to purchase an upgrade in hopes that it will help with this problem. Even if it doesn't, it's been years since I put any money into this program which brings me so much pleasure.


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    Subject: RE: Tech: YouTube versus MIDI
    From: GUEST,leeneia
    Date: 10 Nov 08 - 12:20 PM

    Just thought I'd add an update.

    After the upgrade to Noteworthy, YouTube et al continue to turn the synthesizer volume down to zero. They must be nuts.

    A few weeks ago, my computer had an icon of a gray speaker (very old fashioned in appearance). When double-clicked, that turned into the box with the slider controls. Slide up the synthesizer, and voila.

    Since I upgraded Noteworthy, the gray icon no longer appears. Instead, I minimize the Master Volume box, (one level up from the slider bars) and it stays on my desktop. It does tend to diasppear at times, but that is the solution thus far. It certainly beats having to use System Restore.


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    Subject: RE: Tech: YouTube versus MIDI
    From: Bill D
    Date: 10 Nov 08 - 02:52 PM

    *shrug* a player called "Jet Audio" turns the .wav volume down to zero at the beginning of each new song. I have no idea why...


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    Subject: RE: Tech: YouTube versus MIDI
    From: Mick Pearce (MCP)
    Date: 10 Nov 08 - 05:19 PM

    BIll, I use jetAudio as my standard audio/video player and I've never had that problem.

    leenia, if you want the volume icon back on the taskbar use: Start/Control Panel/Sounds and Audio devices, and on the Volume tab there's a check-box for Place volume icon in the taskbar. If you click that (so a tick appears) and then press the Apply button at the bottom you'll get it back.

    I've never noticed YouTube turning midi down, but I imagine they do it to prevent other sounds possibly interfering with the audio on the clip.

    Mick


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    Subject: RE: Tech: YouTube versus MIDI
    From: Bill D
    Date: 10 Nov 08 - 06:18 PM

    ahh... sorry, Mick... I should have noted that my JetAudio does this specifically when playing Real Audio files... I could not figure out what was happening for awhile, till I opened the Windows volume control mixer and watched it happen. Once I raise the WAVE slider, it plays fine. This has been the case for 5 years now.


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    Subject: RE: Tech: YouTube versus MIDI
    From: Mick Pearce (MCP)
    Date: 10 Nov 08 - 06:38 PM

    That probably explains why I've never noticed it Bill - I very rarely play RA files!

    Mick


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