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The Improper Folk Festival (Pickering, UK)

Banjiman 07 Aug 08 - 04:35 AM
gnomad 07 Aug 08 - 04:53 AM
theleveller 07 Aug 08 - 04:56 AM
GUEST,OldNicKilby 07 Aug 08 - 05:05 AM
Jean(eanjay) 07 Aug 08 - 05:09 AM
theleveller 07 Aug 08 - 05:09 AM
George Papavgeris 07 Aug 08 - 05:34 AM
theleveller 07 Aug 08 - 05:44 AM
Banjiman 07 Aug 08 - 05:45 AM
Banjiman 07 Aug 08 - 05:49 AM
George Papavgeris 07 Aug 08 - 05:52 AM
Paul Burke 07 Aug 08 - 06:04 AM
theleveller 07 Aug 08 - 06:12 AM
Banjiman 07 Aug 08 - 06:27 AM
theleveller 07 Aug 08 - 06:33 AM
GUEST,Betsy at Work 07 Aug 08 - 06:53 AM
GUEST,Cliff 07 Aug 08 - 06:57 AM
Banjiman 07 Aug 08 - 07:08 AM
Tig 07 Aug 08 - 07:14 AM
theleveller 07 Aug 08 - 07:18 AM
Paul Burke 07 Aug 08 - 07:20 AM
Banjiman 07 Aug 08 - 07:27 AM
theleveller 07 Aug 08 - 07:40 AM
Tim Leaning 07 Aug 08 - 07:41 AM
GUEST 07 Aug 08 - 08:13 AM
George Papavgeris 07 Aug 08 - 08:16 AM
GUEST 07 Aug 08 - 08:33 AM
GUEST,Betsy at Work 07 Aug 08 - 08:38 AM
George Papavgeris 07 Aug 08 - 08:44 AM
theleveller 07 Aug 08 - 09:08 AM
theleveller 07 Aug 08 - 09:23 AM
Charley Noble 07 Aug 08 - 09:24 AM
r.padgett 07 Aug 08 - 09:42 AM
r.padgett 07 Aug 08 - 09:45 AM
theleveller 07 Aug 08 - 09:46 AM
nutty 07 Aug 08 - 10:07 AM
GUEST,Betsy at Work 07 Aug 08 - 10:17 AM
George Papavgeris 07 Aug 08 - 10:57 AM
GUEST,Betsy at Work 07 Aug 08 - 11:04 AM
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Subject: The Improper Folk Festival (PickeringUK)
From: Banjiman
Date: 07 Aug 08 - 04:35 AM

I see that Saltburn is billing itself as "The Proper Folk Festival".... and I'm not arguing with that, it is undoubtedly a great (and proper) Folk Festival. I hope everyone who attends has a great time as we did last year.

However, I wondered if this made Pickering "The Improper Folk Festival" happening this weekend and if that meant that we reprabates who are going would have more fun.......

Any suggestions around what should happen at a "proper" or "improper" Folk Festival?

(This is just meant to be a bit of fun, if we could avoid a row that would be great!)

Paul


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Subject: RE: The Improper Folk Festival (PickeringUK)
From: gnomad
Date: 07 Aug 08 - 04:53 AM

Well clearly at an improper one the chaps would have to stand on the right.

Or maybe everyone should just undress a bit, or make saucy suggestions.

I have no beef with Saltburn being A proper folk festival (never been, but I know enough of its regulars to be sure that it is) but THE proper folk festival implies that all the others are not proper, which is quite some claim. OTOH, who seriously expects truth in advertising?


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Subject: RE: The Improper Folk Festival (PickeringUK)
From: theleveller
Date: 07 Aug 08 - 04:56 AM

Well, I think it should involve listening to some great music in a wide variety of folky styles, getting disgracefully drunk, singing and playing into the early hours, meeting lots of fantastic people, maybe doing a conga round the site and....hang on, isn't that what happens at any self-respecting folk festival?

If that doesn't happen, it isn't a 'proper' folk festival - and certainly not an 'improper' one.

Personally, I intend to do what I usually do and paint my toenails a lurid colour.


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Subject: RE: The Improper Folk Festival (PickeringUK)
From: GUEST,OldNicKilby
Date: 07 Aug 08 - 05:05 AM

I have done many of this organisers Model Engineering and Wood Shows and every one has been really well run with great staff and the RIGHT attitude. I think that we can be sure that Simon will do his very best to make sure that this event will be a cracker. The venue is new clean and light and has a really good feel to it.
I reckon that this could end up being a very proper do.


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Subject: RE: The Improper Folk Festival (PickeringUK)
From: Jean(eanjay)
Date: 07 Aug 08 - 05:09 AM

I'm going to sample both festivals so I should be illuminated about it all at the end.

Perhaps you need the sewage problems they've got in Whitby at the moment to get the full flavour :-)

Well you did say bit of fun LOL


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Subject: RE: The Improper Folk Festival (PickeringUK)
From: theleveller
Date: 07 Aug 08 - 05:09 AM

The dictionary says that 'proper' means 'correct; according to the rules' does that mean that everyone going to Saltburn has to sign a declaration that anything they sing or play will be according to the 1954 definition and anyone not abiding by this will be thrown out of town (or worse)?

"The venue is new clean and light and has a really good feel to it."

Hmmm...probably won't be when we've finished with it. LOL!


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Subject: RE: The Improper Folk Festival (PickeringUK)
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 07 Aug 08 - 05:34 AM

Where does it say "a Proper Folk festival", Paul? I can't see anything like that on their website. Is it on some flyers or other advertising? Another thought - is it sponsored by Proper Records, perchance (which would explain things)?


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Subject: RE: The Improper Folk Festival (PickeringUK)
From: theleveller
Date: 07 Aug 08 - 05:44 AM

Nude morris dancing would be hilarious!


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Subject: RE: The Improper Folk Festival (PickeringUK)
From: Banjiman
Date: 07 Aug 08 - 05:45 AM

George, try MySpace ....... I repeat this is just a bit of fun, I'm not having a go at anyone. I'm just intrigued what the the creative minds on Mudcat can come up with as to the entertainment at an Improper Folk Festival.

I hope your gigs at Saltburn go well George.

Paul


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Subject: RE: The Improper Folk Festival (PickeringUK)
From: Banjiman
Date: 07 Aug 08 - 05:49 AM

Here's the link George:

Saltburn MySpace


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Subject: RE: The Improper Folk Festival (PickeringUK)
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 07 Aug 08 - 05:52 AM

Thanks Paul!
I guess it's as you say, which sort of makes sense - after all they booked me! :-)

Seriously though, point well made.


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Subject: RE: The Improper Folk Festival (PickeringUK)
From: Paul Burke
Date: 07 Aug 08 - 06:04 AM

I suspect a Precession of the Equinoxes would have to be part of the entertainment. I suppose an equinox is a sort of horse-bull, so the precession would no doubt involve the bulls nutating to the Horse's Brawl.


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Subject: RE: The Improper Folk Festival (PickeringUK)
From: theleveller
Date: 07 Aug 08 - 06:12 AM

Banjo-player baiting would be good fun, too, and, unlike bull or bear-baiting, totally PC!


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Subject: RE: The Improper Folk Festival (PickeringUK)
From: Banjiman
Date: 07 Aug 08 - 06:27 AM

"Banjo-player baiting would be good fun, too, and, unlike bull or bear-baiting, totally PC! "

Pete, I would have expected this "sport" at a "proper" Folk Festival rather than improper one....they're even allowing mine on stage at Pickering (though they didn't confirm that they would switch on the mic).

Paul


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Subject: RE: The Improper Folk Festival (PickeringUK)
From: theleveller
Date: 07 Aug 08 - 06:33 AM

We'll be there at 10.30 on Sunday to cheer you both on before adjourning for a proper Sunday lunch of beer followed by more beer.


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Subject: RE: The Improper Folk Festival (PickeringUK)
From: GUEST,Betsy at Work
Date: 07 Aug 08 - 06:53 AM

Hiya Paul ,
Proper Folk Festivals like Saltburn do things and organise events that other occasions possibily don't, for example, innocent song competitions and the like.
BTW Did Wendy return the large trophy to Saltburn,which, in addition to £150 she most deservedly won last year. We shall miss you both - even if you don't miss us. Good luck whatever you do.
One of the highlights of my weekend will be finally meeting-up and hearing George P. for the first time.
Apart from that I look forward to meeting all the delightful and varied characters I always meet at Saltburn and sharing a few bevvies, stories , songs and laughs with them all.


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Subject: RE: The Improper Folk Festival (PickeringUK)
From: GUEST,Cliff
Date: 07 Aug 08 - 06:57 AM

Betsy
I am giving JT a hand at whatever he needs during the festival BUT will be trying to attend your Fri night spot in the Marine.
Will have my recorder so may FINALLY get the deed done :-)

See ya there


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Subject: RE: The Improper Folk Festival (PickeringUK)
From: Banjiman
Date: 07 Aug 08 - 07:08 AM

Betsy,

We will certainly miss being at Saltburn, we had a great time last year as I've made clear above. We would have been there like a shot if......well let's just say you have to go where the work is.

Trophy returned to Trevor when he kindly came and did a spot at KFFC in June.... I think the £150 you mention must be allowing for inflation!

I would also like to have heard George P (amongst many others gracing the Saltburn stages)..... I haven't had the pleasure yet.

This thread is really just supposed to be a bit of fun.... I have the utmost respect for everyone at Saltburn and am grateful for the opportunities it has given Wendy (which includes Pickering funnily enough).

Maybe they'll be on seperate weekends next year and we can all enjoy both?

Paul


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Subject: RE: The Improper Folk Festival (PickeringUK)
From: Tig
Date: 07 Aug 08 - 07:14 AM

The Saltburn My Space says "a Proper Folk Festival". Not the same meaning as "The Proper Folk Festival".

The Badger


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Subject: RE: The Improper Folk Festival (PickeringUK)
From: theleveller
Date: 07 Aug 08 - 07:18 AM

How about a filthiest song competition?


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Subject: RE: The Improper Folk Festival (PickeringUK)
From: Paul Burke
Date: 07 Aug 08 - 07:20 AM

That would have to include:

The bitches who put itches in the britches
Of the boys who put the powder up the noses
Of the floozies of the whorum of the court of King Erectecus
Were just passing by...


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Subject: RE: The Improper Folk Festival (PickeringUK)
From: Banjiman
Date: 07 Aug 08 - 07:27 AM

or Mud, Mud, Glorious Mud?.... oh, you meant a different kind of filthy.....


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Subject: RE: The Improper Folk Festival (PickeringUK)
From: theleveller
Date: 07 Aug 08 - 07:40 AM

"Mud, Mud, Glorious Mud?.... "

Aaaaargh, don't say that! I'll be wearing my best white stilletos.


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Subject: RE: The Improper Folk Festival (PickeringUK)
From: Tim Leaning
Date: 07 Aug 08 - 07:41 AM

SO just for a bit of fun eh?
Oh foolish bodrahn on a stick person.
How about \Pickering is a proper fest too
I happen to know that at least one of the lady stewards and one of the |Von Trapps are very proper.
Enjoy Saltburn El George,


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Subject: RE: The Improper Folk Festival (PickeringUK)
From: GUEST
Date: 07 Aug 08 - 08:13 AM

I have heard a rumour just now that Pickering has just been pulled due to risk of flooding.


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Subject: RE: The Improper Folk Festival (PickeringUK)
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 07 Aug 08 - 08:16 AM

Correct


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Subject: RE: The Improper Folk Festival (PickeringUK)
From: GUEST
Date: 07 Aug 08 - 08:33 AM

UPDATE: Thursday 9am
Following a site inspection at 8am this morning the site of the Pickering Folk Festival is covered in standing water. It is raining now and more heavy rain is forecast over the next three days so the event has been cancelled in the interests of public safety. The Events Office will be in contact with you after the weekend.

DISCLAIMER: Although every reasonable safeguard is assured, the organisers cannot be held responsible for any alterations, cancellations or postponements to any event or part thereof.

Hmmm wasn't there when I looked at the site at 11am this morning. Not a very customer service focussed announcement is it? What happened to 'we're very sorry and will refund your tickets in due course.'?

I also have it on good authority that the site is NOT currently under standing water and am half minded to go and photograph it.
    Please note that anonymous posting is no longer allowed at Mudcat. Use a consistent name [in the 'from' box] when you post, or your messages risk being deleted.
    Thanks.
    -Joe Offer-


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Subject: RE: The Improper Folk Festival (PickeringUK)
From: GUEST,Betsy at Work
Date: 07 Aug 08 - 08:38 AM

Albeit George's blue clicky posting it is a bit naughty "Guest" informing the threads that it has been pulled - could have done with a traceable / legit name. ( I know you can't catchem all Joe!!! )

BigDrummergirl wrote in a thread - Pickering Camping tickets .....
I received a numbered paper ticket this morning with a note saying that camping tickets will be issued on arrival. My ticket is numbered 494 which is a bit worrying as I only booked yesterday so maybe only about 500 there.

Perhaps helped to sway their position.

Let's hope we get one decent Folk "do" out of all this so we can all have a drink, laugh, and a sing as 'im upstairs intended.

Paul SURELY you must feel another thread coming on ?
    Hey, it was posted at 5:30 AM California time - ain't I allowed to SLEEP???
    You're right though: posting with a consistent name, makes posts far more credible.
    -Joe-


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Subject: RE: The Improper Folk Festival (PickeringUK)
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 07 Aug 08 - 08:44 AM

I fear that the vultures may descend any minute now, no doubt dressed in GUEST attire. But I don't think it would do anyone any good to speculate about the reasons for the cancellation. Take it at face value, give organisers the benefit of the doubt and move on.


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Subject: RE: The Improper Folk Festival (PickeringUK)
From: theleveller
Date: 07 Aug 08 - 09:08 AM

Astonishing! We were packed and ready to go - decided to go to Pickering instead of Cambridge this year. Really, really disappointed, not just for us and all the folk fans who have given this festival their support, but also for the traders and the artists who, I presume, will now have to accept a cancellation fee instead of full payment.

I really can't believe that an established showground could get so flooded.

Anyone fancy a signaround at our house?


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Subject: RE: The Improper Folk Festival (PickeringUK)
From: theleveller
Date: 07 Aug 08 - 09:23 AM

"Mud, Mud, Glorious Mud?...."

Paul, I'm holding you personally responsible for putting a jinx on this. You now have to buy the beer all weekend at Osmotherley (and, boy, those Mawkin fellahs can drink).


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Subject: RE: The Improper Folk Festival (PickeringUK)
From: Charley Noble
Date: 07 Aug 08 - 09:24 AM

Perhaps the coffee will be brewed in a proper copper coffee pot.

Cheerily,
Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: The Improper Folk Festival (PickeringUK)
From: r.padgett
Date: 07 Aug 08 - 09:42 AM

Is this correct has Pickering been cancelled?

You having us on here!


Ray


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Subject: RE: The Improper Folk Festival (PickeringUK)
From: r.padgett
Date: 07 Aug 08 - 09:45 AM

WEll it does look like it

Never did go for green field sites

See you at Saltburn ff then eh?

Ray


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Subject: RE: The Improper Folk Festival (PickeringUK)
From: theleveller
Date: 07 Aug 08 - 09:46 AM

Seems it's true. Ray. There's an announcement on the website.


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Subject: RE: The Improper Folk Festival (PickeringUK)
From: nutty
Date: 07 Aug 08 - 10:07 AM

I'm saying nothing


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Subject: RE: The Improper Folk Festival (PickeringUK)
From: GUEST,Betsy at Work
Date: 07 Aug 08 - 10:17 AM

Nutty - You're saying Nutting !!! - see ya sometime over the weekend best of luck with the internet seesion


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Subject: RE: The Improper Folk Festival (PickeringUK)
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 07 Aug 08 - 10:57 AM

Nutty, how is that session going to run? Do we need to bring our own laptops?


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Subject: RE: The Improper Folk Festival (PickeringUK)
From: GUEST,Betsy at Work
Date: 07 Aug 08 - 11:04 AM

George - she usually has quite a few desk tops already set-up.
Save you lugging your laptop around


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Subject: RE: The Improper Folk Festival (PickeringUK)
From: Peace
Date: 07 Aug 08 - 11:20 AM

1) Call it a music festival.

2) Have a good time.


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Subject: RE: The Improper Folk Festival (PickeringUK)
From: gnomad
Date: 07 Aug 08 - 11:49 AM

Regarding whether or not the Pickering site is under standing water, I viewed those parts of the showground visible from the road one hour ago, and took pictures too.

The area has certainly had some heavy spells of rain, with more forecast for tonight and through Saturday. While I would not have described the ground as being under standing water it is certainly well soaked, with some rather muddy access points and some puddles.

My experience of camping in the area as a lad is that the soil is pretty moisture-retentive, so prone to becoming a mudbath. I did wonder what damage would have been done by last weekend's traction engine rally at the showground; less than I thought, but more than I would care to camp upon.

In summary, the various access points to the ground could be used by a modest number of vehicles, but would easily become impassable if either more rain were to fall, or significant numbers of vehicles were to attempt to use them.

As the lineup billed is an ambitious one this would require very significant audiences to cover costs. I doubt that the ground could safely host such audiences in its present state.

PS: I have no connection with the festival (didn't sound my cup of tea) but had hoped for its success.


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Subject: RE: The Improper Folk Festival (PickeringUK)
From: theleveller
Date: 07 Aug 08 - 12:04 PM

Thanks for that gnomad. I've just had a call from the organisers saying that they have had to cancel on grounds of public safety and that they are devastated. They will be in touch with ticket holders on Monday to arrange a refund or a rescheduling of the event.

I've just found out that the campsite I was going to in Northumberland, after Pickering, is also closed until at least Wednesday becuase of waterlogging so it seems my summer hols are a total washout!


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Subject: RE: The Improper Folk Festival (PickeringUK)
From: r.padgett
Date: 07 Aug 08 - 12:08 PM

Yes I do recollect that the weather report yesterday specifically said that Pickering had been deluged by heavy rainfall

This is sad all round

Safety is paramount

Ray


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Subject: RE: The Improper Folk Festival (PickeringUK)
From: nutty
Date: 07 Aug 08 - 12:25 PM

Definitely not a Glastonbury in the making


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Subject: RE: The Improper Folk Festival (PickeringUK)
From: Banjiman
Date: 07 Aug 08 - 12:51 PM

hhhhmmmmmm, just got back from a meeting and seen this.

Don't know what to say really. I've got a very upset family to cheer up.

Still at least there is only a little gloating on the thread above.

Paul


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Subject: RE: The Improper Folk Festival (PickeringUK)
From: Dave (Bridge)
Date: 07 Aug 08 - 01:01 PM

I was telephoned early this afternoon from the events office to tell me the news. Returned call and was told that ticket money would be refunded. Ah well!!!!


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Subject: RE: The Improper Folk Festival (PickeringUK)
From: Betsy
Date: 07 Aug 08 - 07:19 PM

Thanks Muppitz, your heart is in the right place.
Just been to the prefestival night which was a nice "rounded" do and packed out.
The "other place" which has "called off" was extremely divisive, and as a different Thread devoted to the matter was splitting us all asunder i.e. Big Stages versus parochial Festival.
Big stages appeared to have won - hands down, but ……….
There was NEVER good reason for the "other place" to organise it's dates to compete with an established simple (or from another thread) "proper" Folk Festival.
Shit happens.
Enjoy your self at Saltburn - and Banjiman learn not to count your chickens ......you know your "fun" thread about "The Improper Folk Festival (Pickering UK)" was quite mischievous - next time think about it - you were doing the gloating.
Otherwise everyone have a great time at Saltburn - there will be a bit of rain, then eventually the Sun will be hot enough to crack the pavements - hopefully.


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Subject: RE: The Improper Folk Festival (PickeringUK)
From: Banjiman
Date: 07 Aug 08 - 07:35 PM

No Betsy, you are misjudging me.... this was intended as fun. Re-read my posts above....I think the Saltburn advertising was mischievous but I liked the idea of an Improper Folk Festival and thought we could all have a laugh with it.

...and I have agreed all along that it would have been better on another weekend, re-check my posts on other threads.

Paul


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Subject: RE: The Improper Folk Festival (PickeringUK)
From: theleveller
Date: 08 Aug 08 - 04:13 AM

Totally agree with you. Paul.

We've been through all the arguments for and against Pickering and each made our own personal decisions, which we have every right to do despite the smug shit from dinosaurs like Betsy. I don't get your problem - we wouldn't ever have been going to Saltburn anyway - we simply don't want to mix with people who have your attitude; people who car soi little about the future of folk music that they want to keep it as a microcosm of exclusivity.

Yes, we are very disappointed, too. Holly is in tears. Ah, well, still got Osmotherley to look forward to - and the Big Birthday Bash. A cnahce to have a great time with NICE people.


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Subject: RE: The Improper Folk Festival (PickeringUK)
From: nutty
Date: 08 Aug 08 - 04:33 AM

At last we agree on something leveller - may there be enough festivals that we never have to meet.


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