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Subject: BS: Change is what we need? From: Susu's Hubby Date: 28 Aug 08 - 03:58 PM Economy Gets Big Stimulus Boost Jobless claims ease for a 3rd week Number of uninsured drops; poverty holds steady Durable goods orders rise surprising 1.3% in July We still need change? I totally understand now. With headlines like these, Obama doesn't have a chance. Hubby |
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Subject: RE: BS: Change is what we need? From: CarolC Date: 28 Aug 08 - 04:05 PM We both work hard and pay our fair share of taxes, but we are self-employed and can't get insurance because of pre-existing conditions. We will not ever be able to get insurance until we are eligible for medicare, unless the US gets universal health care. And as I said in another thread, even those who think they have good insurance are finding that their insurance won't cover catastrophic illnesses. This is because the insurance companies are beholden to their bottom line, and they make their profits by withholding care, not providing it. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Change is what we need? From: WFDU - Ron Olesko Date: 28 Aug 08 - 04:06 PM We sure do. As the article you posted says - "many economists say the boost in consumer spending is a temporary factor attributed to the tax rebate checks, making the jump in the second quarter an anomaly. " The stimulus checks that Bush sent out changed a few mumbers, but we are in a sorry state. Poverty levels remain steady is something to be proud of? How about articles that address why American's are seeing small raises or no raises? Are you seriously better off than you were before Bush took office? Myself, and most people I know would not answer "yes". |
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Subject: RE: BS: Change is what we need? From: CarolC Date: 28 Aug 08 - 04:08 PM Our economic stimulus check went to pay taxes. Obama is saying he will reduce taxes for the middle class. That would be good for our household. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Change is what we need? From: Peace Date: 28 Aug 08 - 04:08 PM "poverty holds steady" And you ask "Change is what we need?" What a totally vacuous question! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Change is what we need? From: WFDU - Ron Olesko Date: 28 Aug 08 - 04:10 PM "Our economic stimulus check went to pay taxes" Same here, and with many people I talk to in NJ. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Change is what we need? From: Peace Date: 28 Aug 08 - 04:11 PM Hubby: the thought of a Democrat being the next President of the USA must really piss you off, huh? I will message you as soon as the election results are in. Just picture the big grin on my face when you read it. It will look like this: :) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Change is what we need? From: Rapparee Date: 28 Aug 08 - 04:18 PM I need a change. I think that last gas contained some solids. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Change is what we need? From: Peace Date: 28 Aug 08 - 04:26 PM Well, you're on the right thread for it, Rapaire. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Change is what we need? From: Donuel Date: 28 Aug 08 - 04:34 PM Now now don't be crass I think we should all be glad for su su and hubby. That they are so much better off now than they were 8 years ago, is an indication that you did not make the same investments during these wonderful war opportunity years. Titan Halliburton Lockheed Carlyle Group Raytheon Blackwater Ammo Inc FOX ClearChannel EXON |
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Subject: RE: BS: Change is what we need? From: Peace Date: 28 Aug 08 - 04:36 PM Just what you need, Rap. No lumps can fall out. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Change is what we need? From: GUEST,Sawzaw Date: 28 Aug 08 - 04:46 PM I was told by an old sailor buddy that they referred to those pants, as worn by the Turks, as "ten day shitters" in the Navy My wife complained so much about my use of the term that I had to change ;) it to "ten dayers" |
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Subject: RE: BS: Change is what we need? From: Peace Date: 28 Aug 08 - 04:48 PM LOL |
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Subject: RE: BS: Change is what we need? From: dick greenhaus Date: 28 Aug 08 - 04:53 PM A cute thing about statistics is that, if you lower the score enough, any slight improvements look large, at least on a percentage basis. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Change is what we need? From: Bobert Date: 28 Aug 08 - 04:59 PM Oh yeah, we've had plenty of change, Hubster... Lets do some review here of the kind of change we've seen over the last 8 years: 1. We took our eye off the real threat of a major terrorists act and consequently had over 3000 of our citizens killed... 2. We invaded a sovergn nation for fpr no good reason and in doing so... ...3. Changed upwards of a million alive and well Iraqis into dead and not-so-well Iraqis... 4. We bowed out of the Koyto Treaty threrefore craeting more global warming and crappier air to breath... 5. We turned our US Treasury over to Dick Cheney to disperse our hard earned tax dollars to his croonies... 6. We added another 15,000,000 to the uninsured... 7. We trashed an 800 year old internationally recognized principle of habeas corpes... 8. We violated The Geneva Convention... 9. We shreaded our own Constitutional rights to privacy... 10. We racked up record deficits... 11. We rekindled the Cold War... 12. We turned our back on the Isreali/Plaestinuab peace process... 13. We gave massive amounts of money to oil companies during a time when they were enjoying their greatest profit ever... 14. We quit hiring managers based on thier level of expertise but rather their particular politics... 15. We refused to allow the Environmental Protection Agency to consider state plans to reduce green house gases... 16. We politisized the Department of Justice... 17. We saw an unprecedented number of signing statements that, in essence said, "Yes, I understand this is the law but I don't care to abide by it"... 18. We saw a recount stopped and a Republican appointed Supreme Court appoint a president... 19. We gutted FEMA and watched helplessly as a major population center was all but destroyed... 20. We stretched our military so thin that we are now vulnerable and don't have the troops to fight the folks that attacked US... Yes, Hub... We've seen unprecented change... So did Germany in the 30's... Given our history and our laws and our values the changes we have witnessed have not been the the best interest of our country or her people... What we need is "cahnge that we can belive in" which means that it conforms to the beliefs that respect our history, oyr values and our laws... And BTW, I stopped at 20 becasue it was an even number but could have but up another 20 without working up a sweat... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Change is what we need? From: artbrooks Date: 28 Aug 08 - 05:03 PM Well, Hubby, I don't find your linked articles persuasive. The overall tone of the three that are available is, at best, guardedly neutral. From the first link" ... many economists say the boost in consumer spending is a temporary factor attributed to the tax rebate checks, making the jump in the second quarter an anomaly. "We got a decent boost from the stimulus, which hit the economy at a time when we really needed it," said Wachovia senior economist Mark Vitner. "It will have less of an impact going forward, though and we may even have a payback in the fourth quarter." From the second link: The Labor Department said that no special factors affected this week's data, meaning that the rise in the number of claims that were filed after legislation extended unemployment benefits has essentially leveled off. Adam York, an economic analyst at Wachovia, said Thursday's report indicates a weak job market that will continue to shed workers. "I'd be reluctant to say the effects of the change in rules are gone. I think initial claims are higher than what's comfortable for the U.S. economy," York said. From the third link: The welcome news on health insurance coverage was tempered by the fact that private coverage continued to erode. Government programs — such as Medicaid for the poor — picked up the slack, resulting in the overall reduction in people without health insurance. The uninsured rate also fell to 15.3 percent, down from 15.8 percent in 2006. "A lot of the fall is due to the increase in public coverage," said David Johnson, who oversees the Census division that produced the statistics. The number of uninsured children also fell in 2007, after an increase in 2006 that had interrupted years of progress in getting more kids covered. But seen over a longer period of time, the health insurance numbers are not reassuring. The number of uninsured — and the rate — are higher today than they were at the outset of the Bush administration in 2001. That year, 39.8 million people, or 14.1 percent, were uninsured. The fourth link isn't there. Yes, change is what we need...and may the |
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Subject: RE: BS: Change is what we need? From: gnu Date: 28 Aug 08 - 05:05 PM But, look on the bright side... things can't get much worse. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Change is what we need? From: artbrooks Date: 28 Aug 08 - 05:07 PM Sure they can - we could be annexed by Canada! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Change is what we need? From: Peace Date: 28 Aug 08 - 05:09 PM You already HAVE been. Ya just don't know it yet. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Change is what we need? From: CarolC Date: 28 Aug 08 - 05:10 PM Getting annexed by Canada would be an improvement. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Change is what we need? From: GUEST,Jack the Sailor Date: 28 Aug 08 - 05:29 PM Watch Clinton's Speech Susu's hubby. He deftly and accurately compares the difference in results from good government and what McCain is offering to continue. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Change is what we need? From: Rapparee Date: 28 Aug 08 - 05:32 PM I'd LIKE it if Pocatello were annexed by Canada (i.e., Alberta). They've got all that oil money and we're a have-not Province. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Change is what we need? From: irishenglish Date: 28 Aug 08 - 05:39 PM A scant handful of articles makes you believe everything is rosy? In case you hadn't noticed, getting two economists to agree on anything is about the same odds as an ice hockey team from Ecuador winning the Olympics. I shudder to think how you feel when there is solid proof regarding the sorry state the following are in: Iraq, education, energy, gas prices, insurance, social security......................................you get the idea. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Change is what we need? From: Bill D Date: 28 Aug 08 - 06:01 PM *tsk*..Hubby is validating just what I have been predicting for 2-3 years. The Republicans are using every trick in the book to create well-timed short term 'progress' -- just in time for the elections. They are 'proposing' troop withdrawal on a vague schedule, sending checks out to provide a bit of good will and some bumps in the 'economic progress' graph, promising 'more oil drilling' while engineering some brief reduction in gas prices to 'only' $3.50 or so. Stuff like this is being used to distract us from the HUGE scandals of the last 8 years...(many of which Bobert has kindly noted). They are counting on 'short attention span' and, again, targeting single-issue voters with scary predictions about abortions, gun laws, banned prayer, teaching of *gasp* EVOLUTION, and vague hints of 'those' people getting too much power in our white led society....and more. George Bush has less than a 30% approval rating, but Republicans are pretending that if we just REelect them, it will be all better! CRAP! Bush was a disaster, but he didn't do all this totally by himself! In 8 years, the administration OF Republicans has put in place a bureaucracy dedicated to TRYING to ensure that conservative...VERY conservative... ideas will gain something like self-perpetuating entrenchment! They want to CONTROL the courts, DEFINE the rules so that anything a Republican president does is ruled "ok by definition", turn 'democracy' into a lip-service JOKE, and rattle sabers and flex our muscles at our 'enemies' as if we can just "establish democracies" by fiat! No...not every Republican buys into this charade, but the inner group that has gotten settled in has given the hold-outs just enough to make most of them *sigh* and promise to try one more time....THAT is why the race seems so close, even though everyone knows that they are taking a chance following a debacle with hollow words about 'improvement'.. who me? cynical? naawwwwwww.... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Change is what we need? From: irishenglish Date: 28 Aug 08 - 06:06 PM As a wise man said the other night-WAKE UP AMERICA! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Change is what we need? From: Bill D Date: 28 Aug 08 - 06:24 PM Wake up? Gee..I suspect all those Ambien CR ads are plots to keep us snoozing! ☺ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Change is what we need? From: Susu's Hubby Date: 28 Aug 08 - 07:26 PM Well, I do think change is needed. I think we need to change leadership in the house. House polls are dreadful. In the lower teens, I think. Yep, the democrats have done absolutely nothing in the last two years. But then again, whenever the republicans had the majority, they were too concerned with trying to appease the screaming dems and trying to "share" leadership since the numbers were so close. That was mistake number 1. Although, I'm not real excited about McCain, he'll be the most welcome change if we can't have a truly conservative president. Although, Bush was the closest thing we've had to "conservative" since Reagan. That's really not saying much. (Yes...I said it.) I'm really expecting McCain to pick a conservative running mate. That would really make things exciting considering McCain's age. But McCain's age adds some stability to the experience argument considering the threats going on in the world. But those are a few changes that I'd like to see. Hubby |
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Subject: RE: BS: Change is what we need? From: CarolC Date: 28 Aug 08 - 07:46 PM The Democrats in Congress are definitely a dissapointment. They haven't done the things we elected them to do (and which the Republicans definitely don't want them to do). However, the approval numbers for the Democrats in Congress are higher those for the Republicans in Congress. So using the same logic as has been displayed above, I guess that would mean that it's the Republicans that need to be voted out of office. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Change is what we need? From: CarolC Date: 28 Aug 08 - 07:48 PM There's nothing conservative about George W Bush. He's a radical, not a conservative. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Change is what we need? From: pdq Date: 28 Aug 08 - 07:48 PM Months ago I predicted that McCain would choose "Governor Tim" Pawlenty of Minnesota as VP candidate. I now believe it will be Mitt Romney who is better accepted by the Republican's conservative base. Pawalenty will not be able to bring liberal Mennesota to McCain anyway, and Bob Barr probably will not drop out if a liberal like Pawlenty is the nominee. Last polls I saw showed Obama and McCain at about 43-44% each with Bob Barr pulling about 8-10% is some states. There are probably fewer than 10 states that are really "in play" (no Republican can ever win California or New York again, for example) and Barr may do what Ross P-Rot did in 1992: hand the Democrats a victory with only 43.01% of the vote. Hopefully, Barr will feel he did OK and pushed the choice of VP right, and drop out. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Change is what we need? From: CarolC Date: 28 Aug 08 - 07:49 PM And I find it ironic that Republicans are now calling McCain a conservative, considering what they were calling him back in the 2000 election (socialist, commie, rino, etc.). |
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Subject: RE: BS: Change is what we need? From: pdq Date: 28 Aug 08 - 08:00 PM "...they were calling him back in the 2000 election (socialist, commie, rino, etc.)." Source, please. You can make up quotes all day long, but that only makes them fiction, not fact. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Change is what we need? From: katlaughing Date: 28 Aug 08 - 08:02 PM Well, McCan't sure has done a lot for his home state...it's #4 in the most home foreclosures in July 2008. I reckon those folks might want a change. My Rog would like a change. He'd like to be able to retire this October without worrying about how we could keep/afford any healthcare with my pre-existing and the group rates we get now through his employment. No one has had a raise or bonus in several years, that we know...the rate of inflation keeps rising. Yep, we'd like a change. Oh, and that pesky Congress? Well, yeah, some of them needed to grow a backbone and I don't just mean the Dems. The others could have stood up to the RoveR machine, too. But, then his puppet would just use Signing Statements to negate what he didn't like anyway. Also, it helps to have a good, solid majority in order to be effective! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Change is what we need? From: CarolC Date: 28 Aug 08 - 08:04 PM Many of my Republican friends and acquaintances were calling him those things back then. This was after I told them the I was considering voting for him. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Change is what we need? From: CarolC Date: 28 Aug 08 - 08:13 PM Google search, McCain rino... http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=mccain+rino&btnG=Google+Search&aq=f&oq= Google search, "McCain is a commie... http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=%22mccain+is+a+commie%22&btnG=Search ..."McCain is a liberal"... http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=%22mccain+is+a+liberal%22&btnG=Search ..."McCain is a socialist"... http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=%22mccain+is+a+socialist%22&btnG=Search ..."McCain is a pinko"... http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=%22mccain+is+a+pinko%22&btnG=Search LOL. That was fun. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Change is what we need? From: Alice Date: 28 Aug 08 - 08:17 PM change - Health Care for Everyone change - develop alternative energy to a non-fossil fuel future change - design energy efficiency into everything, from transportation to appliances to buildings to city planning to the energy grid |
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Subject: RE: BS: Change is what we need? From: pdq Date: 28 Aug 08 - 08:19 PM George W. Bush and those big bad signing statements... here is what Bernard Nussbaum (Clinton adm lawyer) had to say (hint: they are normal and actually helpful, besides showing that the president is "involved"): "...appropriate occasions perform useful and legally significant functions. These functions include (1) explaining to the public, and particularly to constituencies interested in the bill, what the President believes to be the likely effects of its adoption, (2) directing subordinate officers within the Executive Branch how to interpret or administer the enactment, and (3) informing Congress and the public that the Executive believes that a particular provision would be unconstitutional in certain of its applications, or that it is unconstitutional on its face, and that the provision will not be given effect by the Executive Branch to the extent that such enforcement would create an unconstitutional condition." |
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Subject: RE: BS: Change is what we need? From: Bobert Date: 28 Aug 08 - 08:31 PM Yes, Hubby, you are right... The House has not been able to get much done so... ...we need alot more Dems to defeat the Repub tricks... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Change is what we need? From: Bill D Date: 28 Aug 08 - 10:18 PM "...they are normal and actually helpful,..." Oh sure...if they are not continuously used as a ploy and end run to shove down our throats what would NEVER pass scrutiny if he tried to pass it normally! Bush has used them to do things which one professor of Constitutional law has suggested are probably illegal. Most presidents have used them VERY sparingly...Bush uses them almost every week to just enact any whim. You have no idea.......... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Change is what we need? From: artbrooks Date: 28 Aug 08 - 10:48 PM The "Democratic majority" in Congress is a myth. The Senate is evenly divided (49 Democrats, 49 Republicans and 2 Independents), so exactly nothing can or will happen that the Republicans don't approve. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Change is what we need? From: olddude Date: 28 Aug 08 - 11:18 PM The stimulus checks that Bush sent out changed a few mumbers, but we are in a sorry state. Poverty levels remain steady is something to be proud of? Even worse, we borrowed the money for the rebate from China. Deficit spending - you can get away with it if the debt is held internally, when you owe foreign governments like the massive debt we owe China for the Iraq war and then borrow more for the incentive check is not the act of a responsible leadership. Our dollar is in the toilet because of the foreign debt. What a mess we have. Please God let it be Obama this time, please |
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Subject: RE: BS: Change is what we need? From: katlaughing Date: 28 Aug 08 - 11:20 PM Thank you, Bill and artbrooks. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Change is what we need? From: Stilly River Sage Date: 28 Aug 08 - 11:26 PM Well, shit. Susu's Hubby is back and starting political threads. Just in time for a busy season. Is there a way to block posts by individuals? His are calculated to cause arguments and bad feelings. He's one of those bottom-feeders who seems to spend all of his time trying to generate bad feelings for other people. SRS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Change is what we need? From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 29 Aug 08 - 01:34 AM Olddude, I think you have it right...except for one thing...Obama is their guy, too. The only change there is going to be, is in the public's mind..that things are going to get better, and Obama will make it easier.....ok, now pick yourself off the floor from laughing..that is, if you're not a dummy! Bill D has it absolutely correct!..and don't kid yourself otherwise! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Change is what we need? From: kendall Date: 29 Aug 08 - 07:37 AM Bobert, that was very well stated. Question, where is the word privacy in the constitution? It will do little good to just put a democrat in the White House We also need a filibuster proof congress. Otherwise, it's just 4 more years of gridlock. In my not so humble opinion, the neo cons have ruined my country, and the democrats have helped by doing nothing.9 trillion dollars...three times as much money as there is in circulation in every country in the world! A Pox on both their houses! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Change is what we need? From: Bobert Date: 29 Aug 08 - 07:55 AM Ahhhhhh, yes, Kendall, "privacy" is not explicitely mentioned in the Bill of Rights but if one reads thru the 4th ammendment privacy is inferrred... Subsequent Supreme Court rulings over the years have used "privacy" in their opinions... BTW, Hubster, how did you like the list of changes that Bush & Co. have made to our country??? B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Change is what we need? From: GUEST,Neil D Date: 29 Aug 08 - 11:35 AM McCain has chosen Alaska governor Sarah Palin to be his running mate. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Change is what we need? From: Riginslinger Date: 29 Aug 08 - 11:43 AM And that is real change for you! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Change is what we need? From: Donuel Date: 29 Aug 08 - 11:44 AM Bobert you seem to have a good grasp of what we have lost. Was that list extemporaneous? A wonderful chew toy for hubby...this will keep him busy for weeks |
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Subject: RE: BS: Change is what we need? From: Donuel Date: 29 Aug 08 - 11:46 AM Ammo for su su http://www.rense.com/1.imagesH/birt_dees.jpg |
