Lyrics & Knowledge Personal Pages Record Shop Auction Links Radio & Media Kids Membership Help
The Mudcat Cafesj

Post to this Thread - Printer Friendly - Home
Page: [1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] [7] [8] [9] [10] [11] [12] [13] [14] [15] [16] [17] [18] [19] [20] [21] [22] [23] [24] [25] [26]


BS: Palin VP McCain choice

Emma B 02 Sep 08 - 06:48 PM
Riginslinger 02 Sep 08 - 06:50 PM
Emma B 02 Sep 08 - 06:59 PM
Bobert 02 Sep 08 - 07:29 PM
Riginslinger 02 Sep 08 - 07:35 PM
Amos 02 Sep 08 - 07:55 PM
Riginslinger 02 Sep 08 - 07:57 PM
Bobert 02 Sep 08 - 08:04 PM
Amos 02 Sep 08 - 08:08 PM
Joe Offer 02 Sep 08 - 08:38 PM
Emma B 02 Sep 08 - 08:40 PM
Riginslinger 02 Sep 08 - 09:47 PM
Amos 02 Sep 08 - 09:52 PM
Barry Finn 02 Sep 08 - 10:27 PM
Ron Davies 02 Sep 08 - 11:04 PM
CarolC 03 Sep 08 - 01:27 AM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 03 Sep 08 - 02:52 AM
CarolC 03 Sep 08 - 03:04 AM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 03 Sep 08 - 03:23 AM
CarolC 03 Sep 08 - 04:00 AM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 03 Sep 08 - 04:30 AM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 03 Sep 08 - 04:34 AM
CarolC 03 Sep 08 - 04:42 AM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 03 Sep 08 - 04:54 AM
CarolC 03 Sep 08 - 06:41 AM
Ron Davies 03 Sep 08 - 07:30 AM
Riginslinger 03 Sep 08 - 07:32 AM
Ron Davies 03 Sep 08 - 08:07 AM
Ron Davies 03 Sep 08 - 08:11 AM
Bobert 03 Sep 08 - 08:21 AM
Charley Noble 03 Sep 08 - 08:37 AM
SINSULL 03 Sep 08 - 08:39 AM
Donuel 03 Sep 08 - 08:40 AM
CarolC 03 Sep 08 - 08:42 AM
Ron Davies 03 Sep 08 - 08:54 AM
CarolC 03 Sep 08 - 08:56 AM
Tinker 03 Sep 08 - 09:12 AM
SINSULL 03 Sep 08 - 09:23 AM
Amos 03 Sep 08 - 09:28 AM
Amos 03 Sep 08 - 09:45 AM
Donuel 03 Sep 08 - 09:47 AM
Amos 03 Sep 08 - 09:51 AM
olddude 03 Sep 08 - 09:55 AM
Amos 03 Sep 08 - 10:04 AM
Donuel 03 Sep 08 - 10:06 AM
curmudgeon 03 Sep 08 - 10:15 AM
Riginslinger 03 Sep 08 - 10:17 AM
Donuel 03 Sep 08 - 10:21 AM
curmudgeon 03 Sep 08 - 10:22 AM
Donuel 03 Sep 08 - 10:24 AM

Share Thread
more
Lyrics & Knowledge Search [Advanced]
DT  Forum Child
Sort (Forum) by:relevance date
DT Lyrics:













Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Emma B
Date: 02 Sep 08 - 06:48 PM

#Here's the reality: Palin is a rightwing-Christian anti-choice extremist who opposes abortion for any reason whasoever, except to save the life of the girl or woman. No exception even for rape, incest, or the health of the woman. No exception for a ten-year-old, a woman carrying a fetus with no chance of life, a woman on the edge of suicide-- let alone the woman who is not ready to be a parent, who is escaping domestic violence, who is already stretched to the limit as a single mother. She wants to force over one million women and girls a year to give birth against their will and judgment. She wants to use the magnificent freedom the women's movement has won for her at tremendous cost and struggle--the movement that won her the right to run those marathons and run Alaska -- to take away the freedom of every other woman in the country.'

No arguement there whatsoever Stringsinger

but let's stick to this sort of discussion and leave out the sexist crap and 'amusing' misogynist 'jokes'


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Riginslinger
Date: 02 Sep 08 - 06:50 PM

Well, it's good that she's generating all of this interest!


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Emma B
Date: 02 Sep 08 - 06:59 PM

Bobert, I know some nouns can be 'inclusive'
I stayed for a time with some 'teuchter' friends in Glasgow who called themselves by this term and was proud as a 'sassenach' to be adopted by them.
However, 'like most such cultural epithets, it is often offensive, but is sometimes seen as amusing by the speaker.
The term is often taken to mean "ignorant northerner".'
Wiki


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Bobert
Date: 02 Sep 08 - 07:29 PM

Hear, hear, Emma B, 6:48 pm....

This is what I don't get about these folks who claim that governemnt is too big and too invasive into our lives.... This woman who will clearly say that governemnt shouldn't be everything to everyone is advocating that government make decisions for 150 million women???

Go figure???

B~


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Riginslinger
Date: 02 Sep 08 - 07:35 PM

Life begins when you file for Social Security!


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Amos
Date: 02 Sep 08 - 07:55 PM

Of or pertaining to the sclera; Having sclerosis; Hard and insular, often in sclerotic bureaucracy
en.wiktionary.org/wiki/sclerotic

Sclerotic is often used to refer to those who have become hardened in their ways, not their arteries. It is a widely used adjective in this sense.

My issue about John McCain's age (in combination with his medical history) is not ageist anymore than actuarial tables are. It is simply a proposition concerning degrees of probability. He has a much higher probability of keeling over from stress than Barack does, for example. If the probabilities were equal, which would be the safer course for the nation's future? Ascent to office of Palin, or of Biden. Don't get silly and over sensitive about alternate definitions.

The other issue surrounding the word has to do with his emotional and intellectual flexibility. He has not demonstrated to me anyway that he is capable of assessing new situations in their own new context with an eye toward synthesizing new and better solutions and directions that lead toward higher conditions.

Obama has demonstrated this talent numerous times since he began his campaign AND he has articulated it as his guiding principle.

Therefore, he is simply the better man, IMHO.

And neither he nor Joe Biden have ever entered a beauty contest, either.



A


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Riginslinger
Date: 02 Sep 08 - 07:57 PM

Coldest State/Hottest Governor


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Bobert
Date: 02 Sep 08 - 08:04 PM

Also hotheadest governor...

Word on the street is that she screams and yells frequently... Shoot, she might get p.o.'d and scare McFrail to death...

B~


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Amos
Date: 02 Sep 08 - 08:08 PM

By Paul Kane
ST. PAUL -- Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin, the Republican vice-presidential nominee who revealed Monday that her 17-year-old daughter is pregnant, earlier this year used her line-item veto to slash funding for a state program benefiting teen mothers in need of a place to live.

After the legislature passed a spending bill in April, Palin went through the measure reducing and eliminating funds for programs she opposed. Inking her initials on the legislation -- "SP" -- Palin reduced funding for Covenant House Alaska by more than 20 percent, cutting funds from $5 million to $3.9 million. Covenant House is a mix of programs and shelters for troubled youths, including Passage House, which is a transitional home for teenage mothers.

According to Passage House's web site, its purpose is to provide "young mothers a place to live with their babies for up to eighteen months while they gain the necessary skills and resources to change their lives" and help teen moms "become productive, successful, independent adults who create and provide a stable environment for themselves and their families."


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Joe Offer
Date: 02 Sep 08 - 08:38 PM

For almost half my life, I've hated the President and Vice President of my country. Not mere dilike - I HATED them. I hated Nixon-Agnew, Reagan-Bush, Bush-Quayle, and Bush-Cheney. And I didn't much like Johnson or Clinton. I have to admit that compared to George W., I'm starting to have kindly, nostalgic feelings for George H.W. I pity a man who has a son like that....

This year, I'd like to be able to like my country's leaders, whichever ones are elected. So far, I like the candidates from both parties. People seem to be doing the best they can to paint all the candidates as bastards, but I still like them all. I may not agree with the Republicans, but I'm still convinced they're decent people.

Wouldn't it be nice to have an election without hatred, for once?


-Joe Offer-


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Emma B
Date: 02 Sep 08 - 08:40 PM

In a word........Yes!


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Riginslinger
Date: 02 Sep 08 - 09:47 PM

I agree, Joe.


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Amos
Date: 02 Sep 08 - 09:52 PM

Hear, hear, Joe.

And you know, I do like John McCain, the individual. I even like Ms Palin, as an individual. I would be delighted to make dinner for them.

I have many friends I like more, also, whom I would not want to see steering the nation in the Oval Office. I feel they don't think clearly enough in that kind of role to be entrusted with a job where the thinking process -- especially in dealing with the unpredicted -- can be so critical to so many.

A


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Barry Finn
Date: 02 Sep 08 - 10:27 PM

Her husband's DUI shouldn't come into play at all. Bush with his one DUI & Cheney with his 2 should've clearded up those disqualifications durning the 1st Bush elections.
We should've listened to what those driving records were saying back then. That the 2 of them weren't qualified to drive taxis, never mind a nation & they weren't.


Barry


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Ron Davies
Date: 02 Sep 08 - 11:04 PM

"I have to make a correction to my previous post. It wasn't Palin herself, it was her administration and her husband who made the calls, one of which is on tape".

Precisely.

And this is exactly why I've said, and not just on this thread, that we need direct quotes and exact sources--and less smearing--even of politicians.

Palin is not out of the woods, but it's still murky as to if she improperly applied influence--despite the enthusiasm for it, it's not time to hang her yet--especially since she denies "asking anybody on her staff to get in touch with state police safety officials about Wooten": 14 Aug 2008 Anchorage Daily News. Wooten, by the way, is not exactly a prize.

At any rate, it would be good--and a pleasant change--to stick to facts--or at least theories with hard evidence--in political threads.


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: CarolC
Date: 03 Sep 08 - 01:27 AM

Those things (quotes and sources) can be requested without adopting the kind of snearing, condescending, and self aggrandizing tone that we see in the above post (as well as a large number of other posts coming from the person who made it). Although my guess is that it's just my turn (yet once again) in the rotation of people who are regular targets of gratuitous abuse from this person.

The post of mine in which I mentioned the tape was not a smear. It was a faulty recollection of something I read. Having said that, though, it was her administration and her husband who made the calls.


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 03 Sep 08 - 02:52 AM

It sounds to me that too many people are trying to form an opinion about her, and really do not know much about her, so they are grasping at straws, and making big deals out of whatever little tidbit that the press throws at us, (More like trying to form an opinion about a person based on tabloid headlines)..So far, (and only from what I've heard), she sounds far more honorable that Hilary Clinton!....but then who knows?...But that's easy!...ANYTHING is more honorable than Hilary!
I say, let more info on her unfold, and don't be so compelled to form an opinion on her, one way or another!..Besides, both the two MAIN candidates suck, anyway!..Ever notice how in the more recent elections, that we can actually vote for a great person...it's always the 'lesser of two evils'???...So, now with that mentality, I guess people try to throw up any evil they can..to show that this or that person is more or less evil than the other.....not, what accomplishments, that the same person may have. That's one of the main reasons that I think Obama is just hot air....nothing he has accomplished, from beginning to end(he even voted against a bill he allegedly wrote, and sponsored....and McCain wishy washing about his issues!....Just don't trust either one of them!
Funny how nobody knew much about Biden, but gave him a pass, but with Palin, a pass would be hard to come by....ok, see ya' 'nuff said!


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: CarolC
Date: 03 Sep 08 - 03:04 AM

Well, she lies about her record. How honorable is that? (Hillary lied too, but that doesn't make Palin's lies any more honorable.


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 03 Sep 08 - 03:23 AM

Well, I don't know about any 'alleged' lie, but then IT IS politics!..what did you expect...the truth??????
That's what just kills me...people arguing over other people's lies!!!


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: CarolC
Date: 03 Sep 08 - 04:00 AM

McCain and Palin are running on their records, so their records are fair game for voters to scrutinize and to point out when their actual records don't match up with what they're saying about their records.


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 03 Sep 08 - 04:30 AM

You don't get it!!! NOTHING matches up!!!....jeez!...can't believe people can be so stupid! Look at their records, AFTER they take office, versus the oath they take to uphold the Constitution! Zilch, nada, kaput! ITS ALL BULLSHIT....They just get you to vote to make it taste good in small amounts...then they tell you(us)..."Well, you voted him/her in"....
Obama, McCain, and the rest, are not going to 'rescue' this country!..
That only comes when enough people decide within THEMSELVES, to live honestly, morally, and work for what they have, and not expect the safety net of 'being on the dole'...When God and family come first, not last...and not take politics as a spectator sport, observed with a passive mind...as in watching T.V. These are our lives that these jerk offs are fucking with, and the lives of our neighbors, loved ones and fellow citizens.....and the ones we have up, in front of us now are bought and paid for assholes!


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 03 Sep 08 - 04:34 AM

Sorry, not assholes...wrong word....(read: Lying sacks of shit!)


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: CarolC
Date: 03 Sep 08 - 04:42 AM

I don't agree.


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 03 Sep 08 - 04:54 AM

Of course you don't.....so what?..it doesn't change the FACT(remember those?)


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: CarolC
Date: 03 Sep 08 - 06:41 AM

I don't agree that what I am disagreeing with are necessarily facts.


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Ron Davies
Date: 03 Sep 08 - 07:30 AM

It's also somewhat discouraging to see the continuation of another Mudcat trend--vastly underestimating your opponents. The blithe--sometimes verging on smug--conviction that McCain will drop Palin soon has no basis in fact--it's just wishful thinking. London bookmakers' odds don't count as real evidence.

As I pointed out on the long VP thread just before Obama picked Biden, no matter who McCain picked he would have severe problems, since he had to do two contradictory things--solidify his base and reach out to independents at the same time.

However, anecdotal evidence suggests that with Palin he has the best chance to do both. Already the "Christian Right " is rallying behind her--and him. And at least 4 people who claim to be Hillary voters on the web are saying they will now vote for McCain--as a result of this pick. (Obviously on the web you never know if people are what they claim).


Why?   Several reasons.   She's actually wrestling with--perhaps making the wrong choices--some of the most serious problems a real US family has to make--not just talking about them.   Daughter pregnant at 17. Downs syndrome child. And the "Christian Right" sees her as actually living her faith--dealing with with these issues as a Christian should--not taking what they consider is the easy way out--in both cases.

Also, she is actually doing what so many on the other side talk about in politics--cracking down on corruption--in her own party, no less. For instance, look at her resignation from the oil and gas committee in January 2004, rather than countenance the unethical behavior she saw in that committee.

And her struggle against corruption in the Alaska Republican party is successful even--they say Alaska politics is littered with the carcasses of her opponents.   No wonder McCain likes her--on a smaller scale, she's far more successful than he is, doing what he would love to do.

This is of course why the trooper problem is so dangerous for her. But so far it appears she cannot be herself fingered. (We'll see what happens now--especially since there is now a hotline in Alaska for anybody with information on this issue).   And that is why the earlier attempt to claim there was a tape of her actually personally involved in firing Monehan was so crucial--and, it turns out, so clumsy. Mudcatters really have to start being more careful with facts--and start using more direct quotes.


Now I would guess that any real Hillary voter couldn't possibly support Palin--especially on the Roe v Wade issue and the health care issue--though we don't yet in detail know Palin's views on health care. It appears she is willing to slash it to ribbons for budgetary reasons, but we need more facts.

But Palin is a real mother, grappling with real issues mothers--and fathers--- across the US face. It's easy to caricature her views and make easy predictions McCain won't keep her.

I am totally against what McCain stands for-- in Iraq policy, health care, Roe v Wade, taxes, and environmental policy, etc. But I actually have a lot of respect for her--though there's a huge difference in doing what she is doing on her family's income--over $200, 000--and doing it on a real middle class income.

But I don't underestimate her--or McCain. Nor should other Mudcatters.


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Riginslinger
Date: 03 Sep 08 - 07:32 AM

Personally, I hope she does well tonight!


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Ron Davies
Date: 03 Sep 08 - 08:07 AM

A bit of clarification.   I believe that in both the cases of the Downs Syndrome child and the pregnancy of the 17-year-old, Palin's attitudes have been instrumental in creating the serious problems the family faces. She is in fact a dangerous role model--especially since most families will not have the $200,000- plus income Palin's family has--which eases the way somewhat.

But according to the lights of her own faith, she has made the right choices. I totally disagree--but I respect her for following her own principles.

Also, re: changing her mind on the "Bridge to Nowhere"--no politician is pure on this one (telling your constituents one thing, then telling another audience another.)


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Ron Davies
Date: 03 Sep 08 - 08:11 AM

"I hope she does well"--no surprise there. Anybody who opposes Obama is fine with some people--particularly those who don't think about what a McCain administration would bring.


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Bobert
Date: 03 Sep 08 - 08:21 AM

Alot of folks are forgetting that thius woman is ***not*** running for president... John McCain is and John McCain is a hothead... JOhn McCain will continue the war in Iraq looking for that elusive victory so "Johnny can come home marching again" and the people will line the streets throwing confetti... John McCain will continue down the fiscally irresponsible road and John McCain wuill apppoint Supreme Court judegs who will plunge the country into darkness when it comes to women's rights...

That is the reality...

B~


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Charley Noble
Date: 03 Sep 08 - 08:37 AM

The AP story in our newspapers this morning mentioned her use as Governor of the line-item veto to reduce funding for programs to assist young unwed mothers. I wonder if Palin now has more empathy with such mothers. Of course her daughter doesn't require State assistance, given the income of her parents but I would hope that the daughter have access to professional counseling.

I don't see the McKain Campaign dumping this Vice Presidential choice, even if she is an admitted past marijuana user (she inhaled).

I view this choice with great interest.

Cheerily,
Charley Noble


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: SINSULL
Date: 03 Sep 08 - 08:39 AM

"A bit of clarification.   I believe that in both the cases of the Downs Syndrome child and the pregnancy of the 17-year-old, Palin's attitudes have been instrumental in creating the serious problems the family faces. She is in fact a dangerous role model--especially since most families will not have the $200,000- plus income Palin's family has--which eases the way somewhat.

But according to the lights of her own faith, she has made the right choices. I totally disagree--but I respect her for following her own principles."


We went through this in another thread - it is no one's business but her own.

"Dangerous Role Model"????? Now you are sounding like Dan Quayle and Murphy Brown. So you really think that 40+ women are going to get pregnant in the hopes of having a Down's Syndrome child or that more 17 year olds will become pregnant because a VP wannabee's daughter is pregnant?

Walk into any high school in the USA and randomly ask teenage girls who Sarah Palin is. Most will not have a clue - I know. I mentioned her name in the office today and had to explain who she is.

None of this has any relationship to her abilities as VP or president should she find herself in that position.

I will listen to her speech with great interest. I am also betting that she bows out before Election Day.


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Donuel
Date: 03 Sep 08 - 08:40 AM

She been SILENT for 5 days as confusion mounts.

Now they say she didn't support Pat Buchannon. One of a dozen reversals.

'Which lane' McCain and Palin 'both lanes' can take any flop flip they desire.


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: CarolC
Date: 03 Sep 08 - 08:42 AM

Personally, I would like to see some real documentation for the assertion that Palin has been cracking down on corruption in Alaska. So far, other than people saying she has been doing this, I have not seen any supporting evidence. I would like to see articles in the media that were current when the alleged cracking down allegedly took place. Mudcatters need to be more careful with facts. We need sources and evidence.

On the subject of the "bridge to nowhere", it's not that she flip flopped that is the problem. It's the fact that she is lying when she says she never supported it.


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Ron Davies
Date: 03 Sep 08 - 08:54 AM

One more thing. Supposedly: Huffington Post 2 Sept 2008--therefore not unbiased-- in her church she has said some amazing things about foreign policy. In June, according to this source, she said: "Pray for our military mean and women who are striving to do what is right. Also, for this country, leaders are sending (US soldiers) out on a task that is from God".

If that is an accurate quote, that sort of of attitude on foreign policy is totally unacceptable.

Just as Obama was grilled--and on something he didn't even say--she should be made to either confirm or deny that this is her attitude.

And if she confirms it, that should be enough--just in itself--to make any thinking person refuse to support the McCain-Palin ticket.


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: CarolC
Date: 03 Sep 08 - 08:56 AM

I'm still waiting for some documentation and evidence that Sarah Palin has been struggling against corruption in Alaska.


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Tinker
Date: 03 Sep 08 - 09:12 AM

Sarah's Address at Assemble of God Church

The video of her speaking at the church is posted in the Huffington Article. Judge for yourself.


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: SINSULL
Date: 03 Sep 08 - 09:23 AM

There is one bit of this story that has me confounded. I do not understand how a parent (male or female) would willingly drag a 17 year old pregnant child into the limelight and essentially throw her to the wolves. This girl is now on the front page of every paper in the country at a time when she needs privacy, love, support... Mom says she is "going to have to grow up fast".

So, my confusion is:
A) In my experience a girl who marries at seventeen because she is pregnant is in for a rocky marriage and more than likely divorce. The baby will suffer emotionally from the instability in the home. Grandma says deal with it and moves on with her career. I could not do that...but in reality it is none of my business.
B) Grandma's singleness of purpose and ability to separate the emotional from the practical may well mean she will be a great president. Certainly she is a successful politician. Governor of Alaska doesn't happen by accident.

I am babbling and still not clearly explaining my confusion...sorry.


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Amos
Date: 03 Sep 08 - 09:28 AM

"Only someone in the throes of a serious mental condition could have make a pick this astonishing. This focus group confirms the Rasmussen Reports polling that, among undecided voters, the Palin pick makes 6 percent more likely to vote for McCain and 31 percent less likely to vote for McCain. About 59 percent of these undecided voters do not think Palin is qualified to be president. It is a stunt gone terribly amiss. And the hilarious thing is that the right wing really believes that this is going to turn everything around. Amazing, amazing, amazing." Time blog


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Amos
Date: 03 Sep 08 - 09:45 AM

"Sarah Palin is just as much of a reformer and a maverick as she was on Friday morning, but that's not what most people are thinking about right now."

What? She's a reformer and a maverick? You mean, the way McCain is a maverick, voting with George Bush over 90% of the time? Please do your homework. Sarah Palin is a woman who said that our soldiers are in Iraq "on a task from God," she tried to have books banned when she was mayor of Wasilla, the town budget exploded under her watch, she procured tens of millions of dollars in earmarks, tried to fire everyone who disagreed with her, increased a regressive sales tax while mayor that even taxed food, and was a member of a radical fringe group that wanted Alaska to declare independence from the rest of the country. That's not a maverick, that's a wacko.

— Posted by rmh "

(NYT Reader Responses)


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Donuel
Date: 03 Sep 08 - 09:47 AM

She hopes to blame the liberal media for her daughter's celebrity.

Amos, you did not write that rant, you are too cultured and sensible.


TInker

The curch link you posted is not her long standing church.

She threw her Pentacostal church under the bus 21/2 years ago when she became Govenor.
BECAUSE it was not politically correct to be seen speaking in tongues.

No need to pull a Reverend Wright on her but she certainly could not deny it.


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Amos
Date: 03 Sep 08 - 09:51 AM

The NYT Editorial on Sarah:

"As far as we can tell, Mr. McCain and his aides did almost no due diligence before choosing Ms. Palin, raising serious questions about his management skills. The fact that Ms. Palin's 17-year-old daughter is pregnant is irrelevant to her candidacy. There are, however, very serious questions about her political past and her ideology.

If Mr. McCain wanted to break with his party's past and choose the Republicans' first female vice presidential candidate, there are a number of politicians out there with far greater experience and stature than Ms. Palin, who has been in Alaska's Statehouse for less than two years.

Before she was elected governor, she was mayor of a tiny Anchorage suburb, where her greatest accomplishment was raising the sales tax to build a hockey rink. According to Time magazine, she also sought to have books banned from the local library and threatened to fire the librarian.

For Mr. McCain to go on claiming that Mr. Obama has too little experience to be president after almost three years in the United States Senate is laughable now that he has announced that someone with no national or foreign policy experience is qualified to replace him, if necessary.

Senator Lindsey Graham, the South Carolina Republican who has been one of Mr. McCain's most loyal friends, said Tuesday that he was certain that Ms. Palin would take the right positions on issues like Iraq, Russia's invasion of Georgia and Iran's nuclear weapons ambitions. That seemed based largely on his repeated assertion that Ms. Palin would be tended by Mr. McCain's foreign policy advisers. That was not much of an endorsement.

Some of the things Ms. Palin has had to say in the recent past about foreign policy are especially worrisome. In a speech last June to her former church in Wasilla, Ms. Palin said the war in Iraq was "a task that is from God." Mr. Bush made similar claims as he rejected all sound mortal advice on how to conduct the war.

Mr. McCain, Mr. Graham and others also claim that Ms. Palin is a fearless reformer who is committed to fighting waste, fraud and earmarks. Ms. Palin did show courage taking on some of the Alaska Republican Party's most sleazy politicians. But she also was an eager recipient of earmarked money as a mayor and governor.

Mayor Palin gathered up $27 million in subsidies from Washington, $15 million of it for a railroad from her town to the ski resort hometown of Senator Ted Stevens, now under indictment for failing to report gifts.
..."


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: olddude
Date: 03 Sep 08 - 09:55 AM

Its time to burn some hotdogs, drink a beer and fart. don't you think we beat it enough. Joe gave some good advice. We beat up each other yet the only thing we really can do is vote our conscience whatever way that is for us personally


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Amos
Date: 03 Sep 08 - 10:04 AM

Top Ten Most Disturbing Facts and Impressions of Sarah Palin

"Palin in an insult to all thinking people, particularly to women, environmentalists, animal lovers, educated and credentialed professionals, working regular folks, and the list goes on. "


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Donuel
Date: 03 Sep 08 - 10:06 AM

Comon over, were gonna burn some jello and drink some Kool Aid.

DID YOU KNOW "this lady" Palin speaks in tongues?

If McCain wanted a Republican woman on the world stage I would have told him to pick Kay Hutchinson.


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: curmudgeon
Date: 03 Sep 08 - 10:15 AM

Time
portrays a less than pleasant person. Her attitudes onculture and literature are disgusting - Tom


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Riginslinger
Date: 03 Sep 08 - 10:17 AM

"'As far as we can tell, [NYT] Mr. McCain and his aides did almost no due diligence before choosing Ms. Palin...'"


                   But, of course, the New York Times always gets everything wrong.


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Donuel
Date: 03 Sep 08 - 10:21 AM

quote

'GGRHBK JKJJJJJJJJJJJJJ BGJHIEJEJLEEE NHOOOH HINI HOMINI HOMIHIEQUARBLUM OMIHIEQUARBLUM.../   /... OMIHIEQUARBLUM INNN EATAERNUUUM UUUTEERUUUUSSS Eternum UTerus quaobiliiy foom'

excerpt of Sarah Palin speaking in tongues.


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: curmudgeon
Date: 03 Sep 08 - 10:22 AM

The   linkgot left off my last post - Tom


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Donuel
Date: 03 Sep 08 - 10:24 AM

If I wrote Horror novels, Palin is the best damned candidate to be the antiChrist that I have ever seen...lol


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate


Next Page

 


You must be a member to post in non-music threads. Join here.


You must be a member to post in non-music threads. Join here.



Mudcat time: 19 April 11:02 AM EDT

[ Home ]

All original material is copyright © 2022 by the Mudcat Café Music Foundation. All photos, music, images, etc. are copyright © by their rightful owners. Every effort is taken to attribute appropriate copyright to images, content, music, etc. We are not a copyright resource.