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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: Charley Noble Date: 04 Sep 08 - 08:55 AM Palin was very effective as an attack dog yesterday evening, and should not be underestimated in the future. The fact that she is a woman is one reason she was picked, to appeal to some independent or alienated Democratic voters. However, her sex doesn't explain her politics or policy priorities. Neither does the fact that she was mayor of a small town (actually a town which has shrunk in population from 8500 to 5000 in this thread); small towns, like large towns, have a variety of political residents but some people do like to generalize. I love the negative generalization by McKain about politicians who graduate from elite colleges and universities. Would he make an exception for GWB, an undistinguished graduate of Yale? But again what a stupid criteria to use in a public forum for characterizing a politician's qualifications for leadership. Is McKain suggesting that the Republican party rename itself the Know-Nuthin' Party? Again, I expect, it is another Karl Rove programed appeal to the so-called blue collar voters. Well, such appeals worked well enough in 2000 and 2004 to "win" the elections. Let's hope and work hard enough so they don't get away with it again. I have to admit that McKain's "desperate" choice for a Vice Presidential running mate appears to have been a good one, at least better than she initially appeared. I can hardly wait for the film version of "Mrs. Palin Cleans up Washington"! Charley Noble |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: MaineDog Date: 04 Sep 08 - 08:55 AM I don't think she will attract the most conservative of the religious right for several reasons: 1) she is a woman. This disqualifies her for leadership 2) her household is not in order (minor child misbehavior). This disqualifies her for leadership. 3) her pro-life position may not useful to them unless she becomes president. We'll see. MD |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 04 Sep 08 - 08:44 AM I note the number of that last post was 666. Somehow that seems to be consistent with the sentiments expressed: "I don't want a woman in the White House; I want a president I can respect." |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: SINSULL Date: 04 Sep 08 - 08:29 AM DougR - I would not have voted for Hillary Clinton as VP or President. I don't want a woman in the White House; I want a president I can respect. It is not asking much but it's been a while, hasn't it? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: Bobert Date: 04 Sep 08 - 08:21 AM Well, I also found what I heard of the speech to be delivered in a flat, monotone style... Not exactly a firebrand... But the speech by Romney was the more telling of the Repub strategy and one that could very easily backfire on them... He railed against "liberals", "the media" and the "eastern establishment"... This theme goes back to Daddy Bush and has been used effectively by both Jeb and George... The problem is that, IMO, this 2 decade old trick of trying to shift blame for failure on regions of the country, educated people and the media is stale and vulnerable... I mean, if I am Obama, I use Romney's words in the first debate against the Repubs... Here's how he does it: "We've had two decades of the Republcans coming before the America people trying to shift the blame of their own failures onto educated people, the media and the folks who live on the east and west coasts. And here we are again with these same worn out and divisive Republican tactics while the American people are suffering from stagnant wages and unaffordable health care. I believe it's time that the Republican party live some of that personal responsibility that they have been preaching for the last 20 years..." B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: GUEST,Dani Date: 04 Sep 08 - 08:15 AM (*&^ it, I'm voting for Barry Finn. Dani |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: Emma B Date: 04 Sep 08 - 08:01 AM more Sarah Palin photos Fake! Real I'm sure some of you will find this more fodder for your amusement but what would be your reaction if Michelle Obama was photoshopped in this way? I did listen to the speech on world radio by the way and, as a Brit, found the reception given to her speech every bit as as 'scary' as those at the Democratic convention. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: Bobert Date: 04 Sep 08 - 07:42 AM Biden v. Palin??? Well, the way the Repubs are running from issues there will come a time when there is no place to run... David Gregory made a good point last night on MSNBC that the real campaign is going to take shape in the debates and I couldn't agree more... At some point in time both McElusive and McPalin will have to quit the running and become stationary targets... That is when both are going to lose big time... Biden is on the correct side of the issues and McPalin isn't... The American people don't want more income disparity, evolution being banned from schools, endless wars, a sabre rattling foriegn policy, an energy policy written by oilmen, healthcare that is not affordable and partisanship... McCain and McPalin represent those policies... I've hate to have to play their hand even if the rightest of the right wing is happy with those positions... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: irishenglish Date: 04 Sep 08 - 07:33 AM Ok, now I have seen her give a speech. I thought there was no substance, just a lot of fluff. I thought, despite the crowd's urging, her speech was flat and extremely well rehearsed. I was not convinced that she had much to say for herself, except when talking about her family. I think Biden is up for this, and will challenge her, not necessarily on her record, but on what she would do if she were VP.I thought her actual points about Obama were simplistic exaggerations. Her condemnation of his energy proposals, and the oft repeated-He will meeet face to face with terrorists charge were just flat. Also, don't be fooled now that the Republicans have (despite what we thought would be a lack of using the experience argument earlier in this thread) got an ace up their sleeve. The Daily Show last night had two clips-one of Karl Rove lambasting the experience of Tim Kane, saying, no offense, but being mayor of Richmond, Lieut. Gov, etc was not sufficient executive experience, while just days ago, saying that a small town Alaska mayor and governor was more than qualified for being VP. As they used to say on That 70's Show-BURN! Total contradiction, but hey, it is Karl Rove. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: Joe Offer Date: 04 Sep 08 - 04:08 AM Well, I gotta say that Palin gave a great speech. I'm not sure I agreed with a lot of it, but it was a good speech and well-delivered, and it was obvious that she had a good time giving it. Well done, Sarah. But I'm still voting for Obama. -Joe- |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: Ebbie Date: 04 Sep 08 - 02:51 AM "I've run across evidence, for instance, that as mayor, she tried to force a librarian in her town to remove certain books from the library. Any confirmation of that?" Ron Davies Yes, it is true. The documentation is not hard to find. But, you understand, she asked it only in "a rhetorical sense". enquote "Really, I dunno what was scarier-- her, or the wildly enthusisastic reception she got from the floor." WYSIWYG Isn't that the truth. If the audience and the speaker had been dressed differently I could have believed that the event and the reaction were from a different time and place... "It's interesting to me that so many women have been so anxious to see a woman elected to a responsible national position but when it becomes possible, that's really not what they want at all. They only want a LIBERAL woman to be elected to such a position. Is there a bit of hypocrisy there or what?" DougR Doug, you don't have much respect for women, do you. Why on earth would you believe that the only thing that mattered to women was that the nominee be female? We- and I am more generous than you for I include men in this - want someone who is qualified, someone who will lead this nation in the direction it should go, someone with intelligence, someone who understands the mess we are in, someone who will command respect and good will from other leaders and will extend it to them in return. I listened to most of Palin's speech- sorry, couldn't stomach all of it. Let me say that in my opinion it was a mean, pandering effort. Before this, except for certain parts of her record in Alaska, I wasn't particularly anti-Palin, I had no dog in the hunt. But tonight my belief is that she is capable of doing anything Karl Rove and Rush Limbaugh can think up. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: CarolC Date: 04 Sep 08 - 02:40 AM Elizabeth Kucinich Dennis Kucinich |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 04 Sep 08 - 02:06 AM CarolC, I don't know much about Mrs. Kucinich, but in regards to her husband..I think he may be a better man, than the media let out, about him. Same with Dan Burton, Ron Paul, Bob Barr, and a few others, that the 'news' media kept from getting exposure, during the early primaries. (Probably, because they had something REAL, to bring to the public's attention.) Hey, Good morning, Carol... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: Barry Finn Date: 04 Sep 08 - 01:54 AM No Doug, weither a man or a woman, if it's a republican, it's not exceptable. Barry for Obama |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: CarolC Date: 04 Sep 08 - 01:53 AM I didn't want Hillary, and I don't want Palin. It's not about gender. It's about each individual candidate and what they would bring to the job of president and/or vice president. On the other hand, I definitely would consider voting for Elizabeth Kucinich for vice president (as Dennis' running mate). |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 04 Sep 08 - 01:52 AM Doug, I believe the women you are talking about, resent her, because she represents a woman with 'traditional' values, rather than that of a ball-cutting bitch(Hillary-types)...and for that, they are jealous! ewwww, I'll catch it now!!...who cares? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: DougR Date: 04 Sep 08 - 01:47 AM Amos: "Joe Biden WOULD run circles around her" Time will tell, my friend. It's interesting to me that so many women have been so anxious to see a woman elected to a responsible national position but when it becomes possible, that's really not what they want at all. They only want a LIBERAL woman to be elected to such a position. Is there a bit of hypocrisy there or what? DougR |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: Barry Finn Date: 04 Sep 08 - 01:22 AM Just in time for the election "God will be coming to US from Alaska" on prime time! No commericals! I'm beginning to feel as if it weren't for God & "God fearing folks" this nation would be just fine & upright on it's own. I don't understand why the republicans keep needing "God" to be part of the President's administration???? They lie, cheat, rain death & destruction & can't figure out what's right & wrong unless it comes from a thundering voice on high. I keep fearing these "Godly folks" will someday elect a Pope on the basis of an old New England saying that goes something like this: "the Lowells only talk to the Cabots and the Cabots only talk to God." Cross out Cabots & Lowells & insert Bush & Palin. It seems that if you want to be a serious canadate that someone one's mate ought to have a pipeline to the Almighty. They gotta have a minister preside over conferences, pretty soon it's gonna resemble a crowning complete with a Bishop with all the dressings & the crown. But we aren't in Iraq on a holy war or a holy mission or are we, is oil the new Holy Grail. Do we really need to get rid of God's dumb animals like the wolf & the bear so we can drill a hole to hell? Talk about dumbing down the campain. Now little Miss Shara of the Frozen Flame Sahara with just her "Hockey Mom" apple pie persona & a cutisy lowely BA in Jounralism is showing how one can insult intellegience & be cheered on by a bunch of buffons. Twice now today, once by the Huckster & once by McDunce. Both mentioned that the nation needs someone with, what was it "good common sense" or "reasoning" & then Hucky said "if we wanted someone with intellegence we'd go to Harvard & pick the brightest from there brightest" we'll we would like some one with intellegence for a change, thank you, please. Now I don't know if the Huckster knows if Obama graduated top in his class from Harvard but he's an idiot if he made that statement & didn't know, very likely he's an idiot but that doesn't matter if you got religion. McBain should've known better but then we're not looking for the republicans to present US with anyone that has a high degree of?????????,,whatever! Come to think of it the last time we had a president with an IQ over 100 he was a Democrate & the nation wasn't at war & it wasn't being foreclosed on either but the last 2 presidents with an IQ under 100 both were related, both were republicans, both had US in wars & the economy sucked, we voted on religious basis instead of intellegence. So what's so bad about voting for intellegence this time? What's so bad about peace, love & a bit of understaning. So what's wrong with the picture they're trying to paint about smart people? I watched parts of the RNC & thought "I'm at a Sunday pre-school church rally", a really "feel good" type down home gathering, a slap each other on the back party & tell everybody how for the past 8 yrs we've not had a hand in anything that went wrong, it was the other guys that weren't in office that fuck up everything. I couldn't believe what I was hearing. If you pray, pray that we don't get saddled with the likes of this extreme right winded dinged bat fanatical barn breeding fur burning oil drinking cattle prodding shit slinging bunch of side tramps that think the rest of us just rode into town on the turnip truck. Barry |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: wysiwyg Date: 04 Sep 08 - 01:10 AM I just found her scary. Really, I dunno what was scarier-- her, or the wildly enthusisastic reception she got from the floor. ~S~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 04 Sep 08 - 12:48 AM Well, well, well! As Amos points out that she is lying...that may, or may not be true..time will tell..but, in her speech, and her appeal, she blew everyone away...McCain, Obama, and Biden! (as for myself, I'm extremely wary of anything that falls from a politician's mouth, during a campaign, and distrust most of them, once they are in office)... But, in the meantime, tonight, she kicked ass and took names!...and surely made Obama look like a shallow fool. I think the more the Democrats hate her, is only indication of how scared they are of her..because I'm sure they must recognize that she is every bit as good at public speaking as Obama, but in a different style. I recognize Obama, as being good, though I think he's full of himself, and generally full of 'it'..and in honesty, you have to hand it to, Palin, for the same! We'll have to see how she holds out, or caves in....hey, look out Obama-ites, this woman might just bite you on the nose!(or other body part), and rip you a new one! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: Amos Date: 04 Sep 08 - 12:33 AM Joe Biden would run circles around her. HEr presentation is all a studied imitation of genuineness. She lies too readily not to get caught out. And she's too quick on the draw, like a young gunslinger wanting to call out his betters. A |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: Riginslinger Date: 04 Sep 08 - 12:28 AM Probably the best part of her whole speech was when she highlighted Oh Bummer talking nice to the people in Pennsylvania, and then going to San Francisco and bad-mouthing them. She had all kinds of documentation. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: CarolC Date: 04 Sep 08 - 12:21 AM Or maybe it's not possible to provide any evidence and documentation for the assertion that Palin was fighting corruption because somebody didn't actually check their "facts" before hitting submit. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: CarolC Date: 04 Sep 08 - 12:18 AM Evidence and documentation please. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: Ron Davies Date: 04 Sep 08 - 12:17 AM Then there is in fact confirmation that Sarah tried to force the librarian to remove books. So the answer is "yes", not "no". |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: CarolC Date: 04 Sep 08 - 12:16 AM Evidence and documentation, please. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: Ron Davies Date: 04 Sep 08 - 12:15 AM Why do you think Sarah resigned from the oil and gas committee in Jan 2004? And what happened to her target after that? Time for you to do some research. It's not hard. She has in fact gone after corruption in the Alaska Republican party. Why is that so hard for you to admit? Does everything have to be black and white for you to be comfortable? She's on the wrong side of virtually every issue--but has still attacked corruption in the Republican party. People--even politicians--can be complex creatures. And if somebody prefers not to be "hounded", the poster always has the option to actually check facts--before hitting "send". Then there wouldn't be so many words to swallow. Just a bit of friendly counsel. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: Stilly River Sage Date: 04 Sep 08 - 12:13 AM I've run across evidence, for instance, that as mayor, she tried to force a librarian in her town to remove certain books from the library. Any confirmation of that? No. They discussed it on NPR this morning--said she discussed the books she disapproved of with a librarian, but the books weren't removed. Good for that librarian! That said, I am so under-whelmed by this woman and the role they have suggested she should fill. The entire state population wouldn't fill the county I live in in Texas. They expect Americans to buy into a leap from small town politics and a short run of sparse state political office to something as comprehensive as vice president with, based upon a BA in journalism and bragging rights as a hockey mom. She has been mayor of a postage stamp sized town and spent less time as governor than it generally takes to go through community college to get an associates degree. In the school of life outside the home she is woefully under-educated. Alaska facts. SRS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: Riginslinger Date: 04 Sep 08 - 12:11 AM I wouldn't want to be Joe Biden! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: GUEST,number 6 Date: 04 Sep 08 - 12:02 AM family bickering ...and we all have a family. But then, not all of us are from a small town. biLL |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: CarolC Date: 04 Sep 08 - 12:00 AM Since the person who is making the claim that Palin took on the corrupt Republicans running her state has hounded me all over the Mudcat demanding that I provide documentation for my assertions (and even for arguments I have not even made), I think it is perfectly reasonable for me to expect this person to provide documentation for their assertions. If this person does not do so, we will all know how much credibility they have when they demand documentation and evidence from others (which is to say, exactly no credibility whatever). |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: katlaughing Date: 03 Sep 08 - 11:57 PM TIME magazine had this to say about the banning of books and Palin: Time Article: John Stein, former Alaskian mayor, "says that as mayor, Palin continued to inject religious beliefs into her policy at times. 'She asked the library how she could go about banning books,' he says, because some voters thought they had inappropriate language in them. 'The librarian was aghast.' That woman, Mary Ellen Baker, couldn't be reached for comment, but news reports from the time show that Palin had threatened to fire Baker for not giving 'full support' to the mayor. Looks as though her own step-mother-in-law might not be voting for her, either. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: CarolC Date: 03 Sep 08 - 11:52 PM LOL McCain included Palin in his "Pork Lists" - lists of government officials who are guilty of abusing earmarks... "WASILLA, ALASKA - For much of his long career in Washington, John McCain has been throwing darts at the special spending system known as earmarking, through which powerful members of Congress can deliver federal cash for pet projects back home with little or no public scrutiny. He's even gone so far as to publish "pork lists" detailing these financial favors. Three times in recent years, McCain's catalogs of "objectionable" spending have included earmarks for this small Alaska town, requested by its mayor at the time -- Sarah Palin. Now, McCain, the likely Republican presidential nominee, has chosen Palin as his running mate, touting her as a reformer just like him. McCain has made opposition to pork-barrel spending a central theme of his 2008 campaign. "Earmarking deprives federal agencies of scarce resources, at the whim of individual members of Congress," McCain has said. But records show that Palin -- first as mayor of Wasilla and recently as governor of Alaska -- was far from shy about pursuing tens of millions in earmarks for her town, her region and her state. This year, Palin, who has been governor for nearly 22 months, defended earmarking as a vital part of the legislative system. "The federal budget, in its various manifestations, is incredibly important to us, and congressional earmarks are one aspect of this relationship," she wrote in a newspaper column. In 2001, McCain's list of spending that had been approved without the normal budget scrutiny included a $500,000 earmark for a public transportation project in Wasilla. The Arizona senator targeted $1 million in a 2002 spending bill for an emergency communications center in town -- one that local law enforcement has said is redundant and creates confusion. McCain also criticized $450,000 set aside for an agricultural processing facility in Wasilla that was requested during Palin's tenure as mayor and cleared Congress soon after she left office in 2002. The funding was provided to help direct locally grown produce to schools, prisons and other government institutions, according to Taxpayers for Common Sense, a nonpartisan watchdog group. Wasilla received $11.9 million in earmarks from 2000 to 2003. The results of this spending are very apparent today. (The town also benefited from $15 million in federal funds to promote regional rail transportation.) The community transit center is a landmark: a one-story, tile-fronted building with a drive-through garage. Its fleet of 10 buses provides service throughout the region. Mat-Su Community Transit Agency officials say the building was made possible with a combination of federal money and matching gifts from a private foundation. Taylor Griffin, a McCain campaign spokesman, said that when Palin became mayor in 1996, "she faced a system that was broken. Small towns like Wasilla in Alaska depended on earmarks to take care of basic needs. . . . That was something that Gov. Palin was alarmed about and was one of the formative experiences that led her toward the reform-oriented stance that she has taken as her career has progressed." Palin, he said, was "disgusted" that small towns like hers were dependent on earmarks. Public records paint a different picture: Wasilla had received few if any earmarks before Palin became mayor. She actively sought federal funds -- a campaign that began to pay off only after she hired a lobbyist with close ties to Sen. Ted Stevens (R-Alaska), who long controlled federal spending as chairman of the Senate Appropriations Committee. He made funneling money to Alaska his hallmark. Steven Silver was a former chief of staff for Stevens. After he was hired, Wasilla obtained funding for several projects in 2002, including an additional $600,000 in transportation funding. That year, a local water and sewer project received $1.5 million, according to Taxpayers for Common Sense, which combs federal spending measures to identify projects inserted by congressional members. When Palin spoke after McCain introduced her as his running mate at a rally in Ohio last week, she made fun of earmarking. She said she had rejected $223 million in federal funds for a bridge linking Ketchikan to an island with an airport and 50 residents, referring to it by its derogatory label: the "bridge to nowhere." In the nationally televised speech, she stood by McCain and said, "I've championed reform to end the abuses of earmark spending by Congress. In fact, I told Congress thanks, but no thanks, on that bridge to nowhere. If our state wanted a bridge, I said, we'd build it ourselves." However, as a candidate for governor in 2006, Palin had backed funding for the bridge. After her election, she killed the much-ridiculed project when it became clear the state had other priorities. She said she would use the federal funds to fill those needs. This year she submitted to Congress a list of Alaska projects worth $197.8 million, including $2 million to research crab productivity in the Bering Sea and $7.4 million to improve runway lighting at eight Alaska airports. A spokesman said she cut the original list of 54 projects to 31. "So while Sen. McCain was going after cutting earmarks in Washington," said Steve Ellis of Taxpayers for Common Sense, "Gov. Palin was going after getting earmarks." http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/la-na-earmarks3-2008sep03,0,5932587.story |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: Ron Davies Date: 03 Sep 08 - 11:48 PM "...dangerous role model". She is, in fact. She makes it look easy to take care of a Downs syndrome child and a 17-year-old unmarried mother. Might make others think it's not hard. I've had no experience with either, but I would be pretty sure that for most families either one--let alone both-- would be a real problem, to say the least. And should not be encouraged. Most families would not have $200,000 plus annual income--and many people dying to do you favors. And I know 18-year old couples can make marriage work--but the odds are strongly against it. It's hard enough later on. Re: Sarah against corruption: she has in fact in Alaska taken on some of the corrupt Republicans running the state--and won. It's not hard to find evidence--as I said, her time at the gas and oil committee is a case in point. The appeal of that cannot be ignored. Don't underestimate her. As I've also said, she is on the wrong side of virtually every social issue. I've run across evidence, for instance, that as mayor, she tried to force a librarian in her town to remove certain books from the library. Any confirmation of that? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: GUEST,number 6 Date: 03 Sep 08 - 11:28 PM If your small town U.S.A ... she is a very inspiring. biLL |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: Amos Date: 03 Sep 08 - 11:26 PM I watched the last fifteen minutes of 9-11iani, and the first 20 of Sarah. She's just what they need as a supporter--nice smile, good articulation, knows how to sound tough but matronly, and so on. Not particularly honest, not at all inspiring, but she'll do to hold up the columns. A |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: GUEST,number 6 Date: 03 Sep 08 - 10:53 PM "Lee Harvey, where are you now that we need you???? " Sick statement. biLL |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: SINSULL Date: 03 Sep 08 - 10:51 PM I tried. I genuinely tried. I can't last another minute -a cross between Elaine Benes and Friends. Her daughter's to be looks like a deer caught in the headlights.That poor baby is being tossed from one relative to another as a prop. Spit on his hair - nice touch. Lee Harvey, where are you now that we need you???? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: GUEST,number 6 Date: 03 Sep 08 - 10:51 PM I dunno about her English ... but I'm impressed with what she's saying and her track record. She's certainly not the washington elite. biLL |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: Stilly River Sage Date: 03 Sep 08 - 10:48 PM She's speaking now--it's kind of like listening to BBC's Simple English on their short wave broadcasts. Ugg. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: GUEST,beardedbruce Date: 03 Sep 08 - 10:06 PM For the record... Barack Obama's executive experience??? Zero!!! Like, nada... Zip... None... For the record... Joe Biden's executive experience??? "Prior to his election to the Senate, Biden practiced law in Wilmington, Delaware and served on the New Castle County Council from 1970 to 1972. " Zero!!! Like, nada... Zip... None... End of expereince debate... It is completely stupid... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: Riginslinger Date: 03 Sep 08 - 09:53 PM He was a senior officer in the Navy! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: Bobert Date: 03 Sep 08 - 09:51 PM For the record... John McCain's executive experience??? Zero!!! Like, nada... Zip... None... End of expereince debate... It is completely stupid... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: katlaughing Date: 03 Sep 08 - 09:46 PM This guy's real creative: Mr. Giuliani, the former New York City mayor, began making the argument early Wednesday. "Barack Obama has never governed a city, never governed a state, never governed an agency, never run a military unit, never run anything," Mr. Giuliani said on the CBS "Early Show" in an interview the McCain campaign sent to reporters. If his formulation sounded a little familiar, it is because it was one of the few criticisms that Mr. Giuliani aimed at Mr. McCain during the heat of their primary fight, saying that he had "never run a city, never run a state, never run a government." |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 03 Sep 08 - 09:40 PM We've had 'experience'..now let's try integrity....Hmmmm, who would that be???.............flip a coin? I don't think any of us can say who is more honest that the next one... oh, I know, we'll take THEIR word for it...and cross our fingers, and hope they're not lying to us, AGAIN! 'No new taxes'......'I never had sex with that woman'...'WMD's in Iraq.. and yes, elect me and the economy will be in great shape, and free medical, and blah blah blah......meanwhile back at the ranch, our liberty is being stripped away, while the simple-mind peasants argue over small potato bullshit....sound familiar???? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: katlaughing Date: 03 Sep 08 - 09:32 PM Whoever is speaking now is calling for "change." Hmmmm....isn't that what we Dems said last week? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: GUEST,beardedbruce Date: 03 Sep 08 - 09:31 PM "Administrative experience? Where and when? " My comment exactly- about Obama. I guess Senate staff and Presidential campaigns DON'T count as valid experience, then. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: Sorcha Date: 03 Sep 08 - 09:25 PM 14 pages now. Yawn. I can hear all this elsewhere. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: Bobert Date: 03 Sep 08 - 09:22 PM I jusr went in to the TV room, listened to Romney for 5 minutes and duducted that I would rip him a new one in any college debate, national debate or street fight... I thought he was supposed to be intellegent??? Thought wrong, I guess... Here the Repubs are tryin' to act as if it were the Dems who controlled the White House and Congress for the last 8 years??? The guy must have been in a coma since 2000!!! I mean, what a lightweight... Geeze, can't wait for Palin"stein"'s address... If she's half as smart as Romney then the two of them wouldn't have the I.Q. equal to that of a box of animal crackers... I mean it... Romney is borderline stupid... Bobert P.S. Wahts is the Rpubs answer to every problem in the world??? "Drill it"??? Man, geeze oh pete... I think someone been doin' a little head drillin' on thse folks... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: CarolC Date: 03 Sep 08 - 09:00 PM :-0 Peggy Noonan said "bullshit". ;-P |
