BS: Palin VP McCain choice

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: olddude
Date: 29 Aug 08 - 01:39 PM

and to qualify my point because it was true
Sarah Palin

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Cool Beans
Date: 29 Aug 08 - 01:33 PM

Bill Clinton offered us a Bridge to the 21st Century. McCain is offering us a Bridge to Nowhere. You can quote me.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Ed T
Date: 29 Aug 08 - 01:24 PM

Moose stew anyone?

http://alaskaoutdoorjournal.com/Departments/Recipes/Game/moosestew.html

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: olddude
Date: 29 Aug 08 - 01:23 PM

Maeve
My comment was completely in Jest, my sense of humor is hard to take many times. But I can tell you from my heart, there is nothing sexiest about me just the opposite. I was a drop dead Hillary supporter and now the same with Obama. I have all daughters and my youngest is very active in politics and the other two are succesful in business. All three are drop dead beautiful and they had there share of sexist remarks from people. I taught them to just fire back or laugh when it is in jest. My apologies if my comment offended you. It was not meant to be anything but jest. Actually from what I read she is a good leader in Alaska. I still won't vote for McCain because I don't want another Bush but she is respected in her home state.

Dan

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: CarolC
Date: 29 Aug 08 - 01:23 PM

Regarding McCain's VP choice, it looks to me like, in order to try to distract voters from the real issues and the real problems they face, he's decided to go with the "Oh, look! Something shiny!" approach.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: maeve
Date: 29 Aug 08 - 01:06 PM

I am disappointed in the sexist comments made by males and females in this thread. I have a lot of respect for many of the speakers here. I can not respect the harsh comments.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: irishenglish
Date: 29 Aug 08 - 01:05 PM

Just for fun pdq? Nope. Sounds like you are trying to show me up. Not playing. Thanks all the same. Off the top of my head, I can name the ones of the modern era. But baiting me looking to see how well informed I am when these days any answer is but a click away if I was so inclined is rather silly.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: GUEST,Jack the Sailor
Date: 29 Aug 08 - 12:57 PM

She wants to exploit ANWR, she is to the right of McCain on this issue.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Donuel
Date: 29 Aug 08 - 12:54 PM

I get the Rove propoganda now, Hillary is a hard Democrat while Sarah is a 'soft' Republican.

correction: she does not oppose another oil company pipeline...

She supports a $40 billion pipleine

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: pdq
Date: 29 Aug 08 - 12:50 PM

" I guess all those other guys who became President after being Senator, rather than Governors all pale in comparison to..."

Well (this just for fun, really) please show us how well-informed you are and name them all.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: GUEST,Jack the Sailor
Date: 29 Aug 08 - 12:49 PM

She has less than two years experience in a state with less than a million people which can't be much of a challenge to govern. It not only does not have income taxes but it rebates oil revenues to its residents every year.

Two years ago she was mayor of a very small city.

This makes her ready to be Commander in Chief?

She is also from one of the most corrupt states in the US and I am just seeing on MSNBC, under investigation in that state.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Joe Offer
Date: 29 Aug 08 - 12:48 PM

Sarah Palin was Mayor of Wasilla, Alaska, before becoming Governor, and she was Miss Wasilla in 1984. Now, Wasilla is a town of some 8,500 people, and everybody knows everybody there. I have a friend, a liberal Democrat, who has lived in Wasilla all her life, and she's been quite impressed with Sarah Palin. Palin defied the Republican old-boys' network to become governor, and she is reputed to be a reformer who has not been tainted by the corruption of the Republican Party of Alaska.

I've respected John McCain as a Senator because he has been a maverick in the Republican Party. The Democrats say he has voted for Bush Administration proposals 95 percent of the time, but he still seemed to march to his own drummer. My impression of his has soured in the last few weeks because he has portrayed himself as such a staunch supporter of George W. His selection of another maverick Republican for Vice President, makes me feel a whole lot better about him.

I'm not all that impressed with Joe Biden, but I do think very highly of Obama and I'll be proudly voting Democratic this year. Still, a McCain-Palin ticket sounds pretty good to me. I want Obama to win, but I think I could respect McCain and Palin if they are elected. I certainly have never had any respect for George Bush.

-Joe-


Hey, what are you women doing, making all these sexist jabs like calling Palin a "bimbo"?

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Donuel
Date: 29 Aug 08 - 12:47 PM

She has a 5 inch jeweled FLAG PIN the biggest durn flag pin I have ever seen.   
She has a child going to serve in Iraq and she says the word nuclear, 'nuckular'.
Now that's a patriot! A solid pro life pro, lifetime member of the NRA, pro family, anti earmark and the brightest new star in the Republican Constellation.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Amos
Date: 29 Aug 08 - 12:44 PM

Good idea, pdq. LEt's start with W., as he seems to have confused the three rather badly.


A

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Ebbie
Date: 29 Aug 08 - 12:41 PM

olddude, she does appear to have a sense of humo(u)r: she calls her husband the "first dude". Someday, if he is lucky, he too will be an "old dude". :)

But you know, I'm willing to bet on what I think happened. I'll bet that it is the mark of a deparate man. I'll bet that until very recently, McCain had no intention of inviting Palin on board.

I'll bet that he is trying to gain momentum, that he is flailing about, trying to blunt the impact of the Democratic Convention. That whole event had to have been a serious blow to McCain's campaign:

* Everybody's talking about the marvelous speeches and the insights that the speakers brought forth.
* Everybody's* talking approvingly of what an Obama administration might bring to the country.
* Having those military men and women line up on stage supporting Obama and not McCain had to have a severe impact.

I do not think that McCain has a hope in the nethers of winning.

*OK, hyperbole. NOt everybody approves.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: irishenglish
Date: 29 Aug 08 - 12:40 PM

Oh I know the meaning pdq. I don't need you to tell me otherwise. I guess all those other guys who became President after being Senator, rather than Governors all pale in comparison to Sarah Palin and her awesome executive governance then.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: pdq
Date: 29 Aug 08 - 12:32 PM

Somebody needs to look up the definition of "executive" rather than guess at its meaning. The president is chief "executive" not chief "legislator" or chief "justice".

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Donuel
Date: 29 Aug 08 - 12:32 PM

Here she comes she is   OMG Its... its.... Julia-Louis-Dreyfus from Sienfeld

not that there is anything wrong with that.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: GUEST,Jack the Sailor
Date: 29 Aug 08 - 12:30 PM

Biden is to be the attack dog against McCain. He would be wise to debate her on McCain's record and not attack her.

No matter what he says, the Rovites on McCain's team will try to twist it as an attack on motherhood, or Hillary.

Lox makes a good point but I will try to refine it. Hillary Clinto should be the one to attack. Bill had better keep his mouth shut about her.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: olddude
Date: 29 Aug 08 - 12:24 PM

Well come on people,
she does have a great body and being an avid hunter she can gut
a Moose should we ever need it

What more could you want?

(I am so going to hell for that one!)

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: irishenglish
Date: 29 Aug 08 - 12:22 PM

pdq-ex-mayor and two year Governor of the largest state area wise, but one of the smallest population wise equals more governing ability than:

John McCain and Joe Biden, multi term US Senators, one from a state in the top 20 population wise, one from a small state geographically and population, but part of the big, big Northeast block?

Barack Obama, partial term US Senator, and ex State Senator of approx. 7 years from a state that is in the top 5 population wise?

Seriously, you're going to harp on that one because she has executive experience? At the same time you lamented the short straw the Dems gave Pelosi at the convention, this despite what you claim is her (now deleted) nefarious past?

Cmon man. You can do better.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Riginslinger
Date: 29 Aug 08 - 12:19 PM

"The democrats will use the clintons to bash her."


                Well, they better not let her get too close to Bill!

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Donuel
Date: 29 Aug 08 - 12:16 PM

Many right wing talking heads are making a silly point that Palin lives right next to Russia and knows the stakes of the Russian oil monopoly game.

I measured on my globe and found that she lives exactly as far away from Moscow as I do in Maryland. And she has never met Putin just like me.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: katlaughing
Date: 29 Aug 08 - 12:12 PM

Well-said, SRS!

Thanks for your take, Ebbie. I look forward to hearing more from you.

The experience issue is a wash now. No kidding! Whoo-hoo!!

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: GUEST,lox
Date: 29 Aug 08 - 12:08 PM

The democrats will use the clintons to bash her.

That is the only way they can be of use without appering hypocritical and it is the most effective way of bashing Palin without it being done by condescending men.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Ed T
Date: 29 Aug 08 - 12:07 PM

Some background from the web:

http://www.nationaljournal.com/almanac/2008/people/ak/akgv.php

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Ebbie
Date: 29 Aug 08 - 12:01 PM

I am astounded. Palin is still fairly popular in Alaska but she made a lot of people unhappy when it came to her first budget. As they said, it was like she took a cleaver to each program without ever lookintg at what the program did. (psssst The word is that she is not too bright. But she is pretty.)

I can't imagine in what way she'll help McCain's election. However, if something happened to McCain and she became president, you suppose she'd be another surprise in the mold of Schwartzenegger? I dunno. Maybe the rrick is to have good support behind one; figureheads are pretty prevalent these days.

Strangely enough, and to add to the chaos, her lieutenant governor, Sean Parnell, is currently running against long time Congressman Don Young. What happens if Alaska loses its two top spots? lol

"We want to make sure that that VP slot would be a fruitful type of position, especially for Alaskans and for the things that we're trying to accomplish up here…." Governor Palin

Strikingly, this is just about the same thing she said when she became governor. She told the state that Wasilla and the 'valley' will always have her heart and will always look out for their best interests.

Her children still go to school there, she has her offices in Anchorage a few miles away from Wasilla and the family rarely is in residence at the governor's domicile in Juneau.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Donuel
Date: 29 Aug 08 - 11:58 AM

What is Rove up to by calling her a soft Republican woman??
Is he marketing warm and fuzzy over foriegn policy experience?
Maybe the numbers told him that a strong anti abortion running mate was required.

On the dark side, if an October Abortion smear is made against Michelle Obama, Palin would be the one to do it.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: pdq
Date: 29 Aug 08 - 11:56 AM

Two years as a state governor is more executive experience than any of the other three candidates (Obama, Biden and McCain) has. Being a Navy pilot, by itself, is not an exective position.

Oddly, Hillary's seven years on the Board of Directors of Wal*Mart probably does qualify.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: irishenglish
Date: 29 Aug 08 - 11:53 AM

That too is a good point Dan. Biden will have to avoid sounding superior, while simultaneously hitting her on how she would govern if the unthinkable happened. I suspect Biden isn't too worried though.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 29 Aug 08 - 11:51 AM

"I do not think that she is any way a centrist."

Jack, I think you are right. My earlier statement was based on what I've heard about her previously, but as the news is flashing and I'm reading more, I do not think she is a social conservative.

Before today, I read about her ethics reforms and the fact that while she does not support gay marriage, she did veto a bill that would have blocked state benefits for same-sex couples. She is also not a friend to oil corporations.

Yet, you are right. She embraces values that will not appeal to liberals or Hillary supporters.   I think this move will help Obama more than hurt him. At the same time, it is going to force the Republican part to re-examine their own values.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Donuel
Date: 29 Aug 08 - 11:50 AM

I think McCain would have gotten more mileage from Condi Rice than Palin.

But it's hard to find an experienced executive for President since
good canidates may not want to be saddled with a likely loss.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: GUEST,Dan
Date: 29 Aug 08 - 11:49 AM

I wouldn't dismiss her as a bimbo quite so quickly, for a couple of reasons. One is that that kind of attack is a fairly classically sexist way of dismissing women, and it's one that tends to backfire. The worst things the Democrats could do is ridicule or underestimate her - that would play into McCain's hands. Biden will have to be especially careful in the debate not to appear to talk down to her in any way. What I gather is that she's smart, well spoken, and apparently honest.

That said, I think it's a cynical choice - a bald-faced play to get the disaffected Hillary voters to vote against their own interests. Some probably will, but I doubt that many - especially when her record on choice is made clear. She is young enough to make McCain look very old by comparison, and as others have said, her resume makes Obama look like an elder statesman by comparison.

It will certainly keep things interesting.

Dan

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: pdq
Date: 29 Aug 08 - 11:48 AM

"...total partisans like you..." ~ JtS

That obviates a reply, at least from me.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: GUEST,Jack the Sailor
Date: 29 Aug 08 - 11:45 AM

Here is a soundbite for you.

Are Hillary's feminist women really going to cross the aisle to vote for an anti abortion beauty queen.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: GUEST,Jack the Sailor
Date: 29 Aug 08 - 11:42 AM

BTW, Its been announced. She is the VP choice.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: irishenglish
Date: 29 Aug 08 - 11:42 AM

Jack makes a good point there. He can't criticize "experience" now, or if he does, he's going to have to be pretty damn crafty about how he does it.

Riginslinger, I think everyone knew last night that was going to happen anyway. IMO, it doesn't matter. If you watched Obama's speech last night, this announcement isn't going to make you forget it so quickly, whether you agreed with it or not.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: GUEST,Jack the Sailor
Date: 29 Aug 08 - 11:40 AM

The best attack against McCain is on his flipflopping.

He flip flopped on legislation he himself put up to the Senate. How can we believe a man who has voted against his own laws?


pdq
I'm curious as to what even total partisans like you think bout that. Which McCain do you think would govern if elected. The McCain of 25 years in Congress or the McCain of this campaign?

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Donuel
Date: 29 Aug 08 - 11:37 AM

Yes she makes a good short term SMOKE screen.
She isn't bad in the MIRROR either.

Add some flag wrap and she's pipin hot ready to go.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Ron Davies
Date: 29 Aug 08 - 11:37 AM

Rove has been quoted as saying that the 1.4 million volunteers who supported Bush in 2004 were what made the difference in that election. There are estimates that Obama can get up to 4 times that number. That's the crux of McCain's problem--and this pick has not solved it.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: irishenglish
Date: 29 Aug 08 - 11:36 AM

Well, since it seems all but official now, I think Biden will be able to pick her apart quite effectively in a one on one. Though I wouldnt have put it the way SRS just did :.) it can be argued that Obama picked someone to shore up perceived foreign policy weaknessses and what have you, which will help him get votes, this is a move based purely on getting votes from where I stand, and not much else.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Donuel
Date: 29 Aug 08 - 11:35 AM

As a 2 year govenor, she has more executive experience than McCain

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Riginslinger
Date: 29 Aug 08 - 11:35 AM

One thing it did do, it stopped all discussion about Obamas speech from last night on all the major news outlets.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: pdq
Date: 29 Aug 08 - 11:32 AM

If Palin really becomes the VP candidate, it should put an end to all claims that McCain is conservative. He usually ate lunch with his fellow Irish liberals Ted Kennedy and Pat Lahey, and he coauthored legislation with Feingold, the most liberal Senator at that time. McCain is a hawk on foreign policy and that comes from his family background in the military.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Donuel
Date: 29 Aug 08 - 11:30 AM

Well put Stilly. ;/}

After all McCain already has hefty breasts.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: GUEST,Jack the Sailor
Date: 29 Aug 08 - 11:28 AM

I do not think that she is any way a centrist.

It is a very very risky move on McCain's part. It puts all of McCain's attacks on Obama's experience in a very hypocritical light. In fact, every time a reporter asks the responsible question about her experience, McCain will HAVE TO either remove his best argument against Obama OR cut down his own VP Pick. Obama is less experienced than McCain, but she is further behind Obama.

This pick will get a lot of press. But, it will take ink away from the Republican convention, possibly a good idea considering how many Republican lawmakers won't be there and considering that Bush/Cheney will be there.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Riginslinger
Date: 29 Aug 08 - 11:28 AM

"But it was a canny move; she has youth, gender and looks to compensate for his age, gender, and ugliness."


          Yeah, but he's going to look like Father Time when they appear on the stage together!

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Donuel
Date: 29 Aug 08 - 11:27 AM

She will also deflect the super wealthy elitist charges.
She has a frugal reputation.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 29 Aug 08 - 11:26 AM

What an insult--does he think by putting a vagina in the race that women will automatically switch parties, switch from supporting Hillary just because they want a woman at the top? Hillary had it all--experience, brains, talent, and had been so thoroughly vetted that she was case hardened.

This bimbo may be from a large state territorially but they're small potatoes on the world scene and a very tiny population over-all. Can you see her stepping into the presidency if McCain kicks the bucket? I think the only thing I know about this woman is that she had a baby while in office (or was that Massachusetts? They did say her child has Down Syndrome and she knew ahead of time, so is taking moral high ground against abortion on this basis). Like no one else has ever had a baby and had to go back to work, right?

A caller on Diane Rehm pegged it this morning--they're being incredibly naive with this pick, but now they have to live with it. Let the Republican dog-and-pony-show begin.

SRS

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 29 Aug 08 - 11:26 AM

"She CAMPAIGNED FOR PAT BUCCHANNON

centirst?

Bucchannon is not a centrist my friend.. "

Of course not, but not everything is black and white. She is a convservative, make no mistake about that, but she has supported some issues that Pat would not. She is not going to win over Hillary supporters with her stand on abortion rights, and I do not think that liberals are going to vote for her either, but she is challenging the hardcore Republican image and ideals.

I think this also put Obama in a better position. The experience issue is a wash now.