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BS: Palin VP McCain choice

GUEST,Jack the Sailor 29 Aug 08 - 12:30 PM
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: GUEST,Jack the Sailor
Date: 29 Aug 08 - 12:30 PM

Biden is to be the attack dog against McCain. He would be wise to debate her on McCain's record and not attack her.

No matter what he says, the Rovites on McCain's team will try to twist it as an attack on motherhood, or Hillary.

Lox makes a good point but I will try to refine it. Hillary Clinto should be the one to attack. Bill had better keep his mouth shut about her.


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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Donuel
Date: 29 Aug 08 - 12:32 PM

Here she comes she is   OMG Its... its.... Julia-Louis-Dreyfus from Sienfeld

not that there is anything wrong with that.


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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: pdq
Date: 29 Aug 08 - 12:32 PM

Somebody needs to look up the definition of "executive" rather than guess at its meaning. The president is chief "executive" not chief "legislator" or chief "justice".


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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: irishenglish
Date: 29 Aug 08 - 12:40 PM

Oh I know the meaning pdq. I don't need you to tell me otherwise. I guess all those other guys who became President after being Senator, rather than Governors all pale in comparison to Sarah Palin and her awesome executive governance then.


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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Ebbie
Date: 29 Aug 08 - 12:41 PM

olddude, she does appear to have a sense of humo(u)r: she calls her husband the "first dude". Someday, if he is lucky, he too will be an "old dude". :)

But you know, I'm willing to bet on what I think happened. I'll bet that it is the mark of a deparate man. I'll bet that until very recently, McCain had no intention of inviting Palin on board.

I'll bet that he is trying to gain momentum, that he is flailing about, trying to blunt the impact of the Democratic Convention. That whole event had to have been a serious blow to McCain's campaign:

* Everybody's talking about the marvelous speeches and the insights that the speakers brought forth.
* Everybody's* talking approvingly of what an Obama administration might bring to the country.
* Having those military men and women line up on stage supporting Obama and not McCain had to have a severe impact.

I do not think that McCain has a hope in the nethers of winning.

*OK, hyperbole. NOt everybody approves.


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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Amos
Date: 29 Aug 08 - 12:44 PM

Good idea, pdq. LEt's start with W., as he seems to have confused the three rather badly.


A


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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Donuel
Date: 29 Aug 08 - 12:47 PM

She has a 5 inch jeweled FLAG PIN the biggest durn flag pin I have ever seen.   
She has a child going to serve in Iraq and she says the word nuclear, 'nuckular'.
Now that's a patriot! A solid pro life pro, lifetime member of the NRA, pro family, anti earmark and the brightest new star in the Republican Constellation.


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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Joe Offer
Date: 29 Aug 08 - 12:48 PM

Sarah Palin was Mayor of Wasilla, Alaska, before becoming Governor, and she was Miss Wasilla in 1984. Now, Wasilla is a town of some 8,500 people, and everybody knows everybody there. I have a friend, a liberal Democrat, who has lived in Wasilla all her life, and she's been quite impressed with Sarah Palin. Palin defied the Republican old-boys' network to become governor, and she is reputed to be a reformer who has not been tainted by the corruption of the Republican Party of Alaska.

I've respected John McCain as a Senator because he has been a maverick in the Republican Party. The Democrats say he has voted for Bush Administration proposals 95 percent of the time, but he still seemed to march to his own drummer. My impression of his has soured in the last few weeks because he has portrayed himself as such a staunch supporter of George W. His selection of another maverick Republican for Vice President, makes me feel a whole lot better about him.

I'm not all that impressed with Joe Biden, but I do think very highly of Obama and I'll be proudly voting Democratic this year. Still, a McCain-Palin ticket sounds pretty good to me. I want Obama to win, but I think I could respect McCain and Palin if they are elected. I certainly have never had any respect for George Bush.

-Joe-


Hey, what are you women doing, making all these sexist jabs like calling Palin a "bimbo"?


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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: GUEST,Jack the Sailor
Date: 29 Aug 08 - 12:49 PM

She has less than two years experience in a state with less than a million people which can't be much of a challenge to govern. It not only does not have income taxes but it rebates oil revenues to its residents every year.

Two years ago she was mayor of a very small city.

This makes her ready to be Commander in Chief?

She is also from one of the most corrupt states in the US and I am just seeing on MSNBC, under investigation in that state.


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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: pdq
Date: 29 Aug 08 - 12:50 PM

" I guess all those other guys who became President after being Senator, rather than Governors all pale in comparison to..."

Well (this just for fun, really) please show us how well-informed you are and name them all.


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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Donuel
Date: 29 Aug 08 - 12:54 PM

I get the Rove propoganda now, Hillary is a hard Democrat while Sarah is a 'soft' Republican.

correction: she does not oppose another oil company pipeline...

She supports a $40 billion pipleine


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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: GUEST,Jack the Sailor
Date: 29 Aug 08 - 12:57 PM

She wants to exploit ANWR, she is to the right of McCain on this issue.


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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: irishenglish
Date: 29 Aug 08 - 01:05 PM

Just for fun pdq? Nope. Sounds like you are trying to show me up. Not playing. Thanks all the same. Off the top of my head, I can name the ones of the modern era. But baiting me looking to see how well informed I am when these days any answer is but a click away if I was so inclined is rather silly.


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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: maeve
Date: 29 Aug 08 - 01:06 PM

I am disappointed in the sexist comments made by males and females in this thread. I have a lot of respect for many of the speakers here. I can not respect the harsh comments.


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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: CarolC
Date: 29 Aug 08 - 01:23 PM

Regarding McCain's VP choice, it looks to me like, in order to try to distract voters from the real issues and the real problems they face, he's decided to go with the "Oh, look! Something shiny!" approach.


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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: olddude
Date: 29 Aug 08 - 01:23 PM

Maeve
My comment was completely in Jest, my sense of humor is hard to take many times. But I can tell you from my heart, there is nothing sexiest about me just the opposite. I was a drop dead Hillary supporter and now the same with Obama. I have all daughters and my youngest is very active in politics and the other two are succesful in business. All three are drop dead beautiful and they had there share of sexist remarks from people. I taught them to just fire back or laugh when it is in jest. My apologies if my comment offended you. It was not meant to be anything but jest. Actually from what I read she is a good leader in Alaska. I still won't vote for McCain because I don't want another Bush but she is respected in her home state.

Dan


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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Ed T
Date: 29 Aug 08 - 01:24 PM

Moose stew anyone?

http://alaskaoutdoorjournal.com/Departments/Recipes/Game/moosestew.html


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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Cool Beans
Date: 29 Aug 08 - 01:33 PM

Bill Clinton offered us a Bridge to the 21st Century. McCain is offering us a Bridge to Nowhere. You can quote me.


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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: olddude
Date: 29 Aug 08 - 01:39 PM

and to qualify my point because it was true
Sarah Palin


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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 29 Aug 08 - 01:50 PM

Of the 11 men who've served as US President since WWII, the breakdown regarding the highest level jobs they held prior to their elections is:

Army General: 1 (Eisenhower)
Senator: 1 (Kennedy)
Governor: 4 (Carter, Reagan, Clinton, Bush II)
Vice President: 5 (Truman, Johnson, Nixon, Ford, Bush I)


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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Louie Roy
Date: 29 Aug 08 - 01:50 PM

I was born and raised a Democrat for 83 years but this November I will be voting for a different party and after reading all of the nasty remarks made about McCain and Palin it has made it easier for me to make this statement.


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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 29 Aug 08 - 01:53 PM

Hey, what are you women doing, making all these sexist jabs like calling Palin a "bimbo"?

Hey, Joe, do you think that just any woman will do, that this is what all of those people, the largest percentage of them middle-aged and older women, were working for? To have a woman in office at all costs?

Hell, NO!

People miss the point, that not only was Hillary a woman she was as-or-more-qualified than anyone out there in the Democratic field. Better than the Republican field as well. Would you say that about Palin? Can you honestly imagine that Palin could get through all of the events of the last 20 years that Hillary has faced without buckling? We don't know, she is younger and hasn't the background (and what is her education?) but I wouldn't put any money on her.

There is nothing wrong with a woman having good looks, and absolutely nothing wrong with a smart woman having good looks. But it does sound like Palin has been playing the looks card in the popularity component of the political contest in her state, doesn't it?

SRS


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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Joe Offer
Date: 29 Aug 08 - 02:01 PM

And even though it appears that Palin was instrumental in the cancellation of the "Bridge to Nowhere" project, ill-informed pundits will still try to blame the bridge on her. See this article for more information.
Seems to me that Palin is a good choice, somebody who breaks the mold and who has been associated with the idea of reform in the Republican Party. If he wants to win, McCain is going to have to stay away from everyone closely associated with the Bush Administration. Choosing Palin certainly helps in that way. Comparing her to Cheney, you sure can't say she is "more of the same." If you're a Democrat, can you think of a Republican you'd rather see as Vice President? Karl Rove?

-Joe-


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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: GUEST,Sawzaw
Date: 29 Aug 08 - 02:09 PM

As much as I dislike Obummer, I am a realist. McCain is sunk. He does not have a snowball's chance in hell.

I can't see any woman, except maybe Xenia the Warrior Princess, holding up to Putin or Chavez or Achmadinijad or Kim Jong-il.

But I ain't going to worry over it either. Life is too short.


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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Amos
Date: 29 Aug 08 - 02:22 PM

A thought experiment: If McCain keeled over from a heart attack three weeks before the November election, do you think the GOP would elevate Palin to their Presidential candidate?

If they would not, consider that if the same event happens a day AFTER the January swearing in ceremony, that is what they will have done.

Question: is this a wise course for the nation?



a


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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Amos
Date: 29 Aug 08 - 02:30 PM

As much as I dislike Obummer, I am a realist.

Much as this oxymoronic proposition amuses me, I appreciate your pragmatic concession, Sawz.

A


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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Riginslinger
Date: 29 Aug 08 - 02:43 PM

Still, she has a lot more executive experience than Oh Bummer.


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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 29 Aug 08 - 02:48 PM

It should make it hard to get too much mileage on the "Obama isn't experienced enough to be President" line. Any vice-president needs to be ready to step into the top job at a moment's notice. More especially when the president is McCain's age.


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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 29 Aug 08 - 02:53 PM

"Still, she has a lot more executive experience than Oh Bummer. "

You are dreaming. Even when you try to twist the word "executive", she still comes up on the shortside.


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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Donuel
Date: 29 Aug 08 - 03:06 PM

I heard someone point out the 20 itch/

Every 20 years the Republican party picks a well known VP to run and everytime they lose.

Everytime they select an unknon like Quayle, Agnew etc they win!


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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 29 Aug 08 - 03:10 PM

It did occur to me just now that her best match is probably Dan Quayle.

Makes me smile!

SRS


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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: mg
Date: 29 Aug 08 - 03:13 PM

I think it is inappropriate, and it certainly has been done to Obama, to refer to the genitals of the candidates. Why is this being done?

I do not think she is playing the pretty card. She is an attractive woman to most people. She dressed this morning in what seems to me a way to play down her looks..a dowdy black suit, hair pinned up in a matronly bun, and geeky (no offense to geeks) eyeglasses. That is the same look I have adopted to play down my gorgeousness.

She does not seem qualified to be president, but nevertheless she strikes me as a very impressive woman and certainly one of the better role models for girls I have seen..quite an array of skills not commonly found. mg


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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Donuel
Date: 29 Aug 08 - 03:17 PM

I sense she is far more intelligent than Dan Quayle


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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: kendall
Date: 29 Aug 08 - 03:43 PM

Louis, I can't imagine what any democrat could possibly say that would make me vote for a republican! Even a quick look at McCain's record would turn me off.
Read "The Nightingale's Song" if you want to know the real John McCain.He crashed 5 planes, was near the bottom of his class at Annapolis, a hot dogger, and screwup. He hit his wife with "I want a divorce" while she was recovering from an accident that left her disfigured. He has been in the Senate for 25 years, in other words, part of the problem we now have. He went half way around the world and bombed the piss out of a country that never did us any harm. His behavior as a prisoner was admirable but it does not qualify him to be president.


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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Desert Dancer
Date: 29 Aug 08 - 03:44 PM

Of the 11 men who've served as US President since WWII, the breakdown regarding the highest level jobs they held prior to their elections is:

Army General: 1 (Eisenhower)
Senator: 1 (Kennedy)
Governor: 4 (Carter, Reagan, Clinton, Bush II)
Vice President: 5 (Truman, Johnson, Nixon, Ford, Bush I)


Of those who were vice presidents, Truman, Johnson, and Nixon were senators before that, Ford & Bush I had been congressmen (tho Bush I had also been ambassador to the U.N. and head of the CIA in betweentimes).

~ Becky in Tucson


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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: pdq
Date: 29 Aug 08 - 03:44 PM

Thanks, B-dubs-El. The answere (just for fun) was Jack Kennedy. In the whole history of the US, just one person moved from the Senate to the Whtie House.


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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: irishenglish
Date: 29 Aug 08 - 03:47 PM

Sorry pdq. Incorrect. Warren G Harding did as well. Just for fun.


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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 29 Aug 08 - 03:48 PM

To refer to the genitals is to be perfectly blunt about McCain's very obvious move, Mary. In this campaign there is little new, it's two men running for the presidency. Women were enthusiastic because Hillary was a solidly good candidate for the top position, but now, the new VP running mate is nothing more than political arm candy. Many women will feel seriously diminished by this choice.

McCain put a woman on the ticket clearly hoping that Hillary's disappointed supporters are so shallow that they'll be like iron shavings to a magnet and vote for him simply because he has a woman on the ticket.

I know this will work against him. As a Hillary supporter, I sometimes wondered if I was so in favor of her because she is a woman, but when I see what the alternative is, it is repugnant. Palin's a big fish from a tiny Alaskan pond. Hillary asked on Tuesday night "Are you in this for me, or for these other people?" The answer for me was "both." With Hillary it was excellent that she was one of us.

Palin far is less solid than Geraldine Ferraro, who was a marginal choice at best, and I say this of my party. I think Quayle has met his match in the pretty partner fluffy VP candidate category.

SRS


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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Donuel
Date: 29 Aug 08 - 03:50 PM

FOX Palin a cure for all energy ills. Palin


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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: mg
Date: 29 Aug 08 - 03:53 PM

Many women were not enthusiastic about Hillary. I was personally appalled at the prospect. I do not see her as more qualified than others like Sebelius, whom I did like quite a lot. I still would not refer to her private parts, as people did, or indicated she had some that women would not generally have..She should have at the very least shot them a withering glance and said that is not something we should be discussing on a nationally televised podium.


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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: irishenglish
Date: 29 Aug 08 - 03:54 PM

And to further (just for fun) if one considers that since it switched to VP's being chosen, two other men in this century might be considered as well technically. They are of course, Harry S Truman, and Lyndon Johnson, whose highest offices were Senator until called upon through death and assasination. Both of those gentlemen never served in an "executive" capacity pdq. Just for fun.


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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Ed T
Date: 29 Aug 08 - 04:09 PM

Carole C,
In addition to putting a good alternative perspective forward on issues, (with few words), I find your comments quite humourous.

What some call a "bold move" in putting Palin forward, it was expected by many punbdits (likely from trial baloons by McCain's folks) and quite reasoned.

It simply a counter move to ballance out the "minority group" card that the other guys have (While women are a majority of the population, they are a minority in the political feld).

What was a bold move, was her mentioning of Hillory Clinton in her speech. I suspect this could back-fire.

(BTW, is anyone so nieve to believe that these speeches are not written by professional speech writers, and studied to death by party handlers/stratigists, and presented to focus groups before being given?)


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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 29 Aug 08 - 04:10 PM

mg, obviously this is going to impact people who would have actually voted for Hillary. I'm speaking for women like myself who favored her. Your mileage may vary.


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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 29 Aug 08 - 04:15 PM

Incidentally, of those 11 presidents, Bush I was the only one to go directly from VP to President via election. (Nixon was elected eight years later, after having lost to Kennedy. The other three assumed the job upon the death or resignation of their bosses.)

To me, this points out what a non-issue the "experience" issue really is. What better way to gain the experience needed to serve as President than by serving as Vice President? But the American public has only thought highly enough of one of its VPs to kick him upstairs to the top job? (Twice if you count Gore's winning the popular vote.)

"Experience", or lack thereof, is nothing but a smokescreen. It counts for no more in politics than it does in business, and businesses routinely promote talented, highly motivated newcomers ahead of more "experienced" but less creative plodders.


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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: katlaughing
Date: 29 Aug 08 - 04:32 PM

From the NYTs's Timothy Egan

August 29, 2008, 2:36 pm
Ms. Alaska

She hunts! She fishes! She eats moose burgers! She can gut a salmon as well as dispatch an incumbent governor! She's a rural mother of five who clings to guns and religion -– exuberantly!

In choosing as his running mate Gov. Sarah Palin of Alaska, two years removed from her only other political job as a small-town mayor, John McCain has certainly offered up a giant-killer -– "Sarah Barracuda," as she's known in the Last Frontier State.

Palin, who has more than a passing resemblance to Tina Fey, took on the kleptocracy of Alaska's Republican politics and won.

First, she ousted hated incumbent Frank Murkowski in a primary two years ago, and then promptly cleaned up his mess in Juneau, even selling his private jet on e-bay. Second, she rejected the "bridge to nowhere," the famous earmark for a span from Ketchikan to an island of 50 people -– further angering the politicians-for-life who have run Alaska for half as long as it's been in the union.

But she has her own ethics concern, the subject of an investigation of whether the governor's office was involved in the firing a state trooper who was in the midst of a nasty divorce from Palin's sister — Troopergate with a bit of Alaska Gothic thrown in. And McCain's selection -– a woman who looks young enough to be his college-age daughter -– makes it hard for Republicans to criticize Barack Obama for his in inexperience. Palin is an inoculation for what may be the biggest rap against Obama. That's a huge risk.

Could Palin take on Putin?

Slaying Frank Murkowski and dueling with Don Young, the pork-loving congressman behind the bridge, is one thing. Both men are old-style hacks, to be kind. But Palin has zero experience on the world stage -– a crucial factor for McCain, who made the announcement on his 72nd birthday. And, just recently, she seemed to have no idea what the job of vice president entails.

"What is it exactly that the vice president does every day?" she asked in an interview on CNBC. A fair question, but one that also reinforces her inexperience.

Her bio is classic Alaska, a state where everyone has a past but it's so far, far away –- "Outside," as Alaskans call the mainland United States. If Cokie Roberts thinks Hawaii is "foreign and exotic," what will she and her other geographically challenged pundits think of Alaska, which has its own time zone?

Palin eloped with her husband, Todd, a commercial fisherman, who later won the 2,000-mile Iron Dog snow machine (as snowmobiles are called in Alaska) race. She gave each of her five children names that sound like her state -– Track, Bristol, Willow, Piper and Trig. She's a self-described "hockey mom," which means something in Minnesota and Colorado, two battleground states.

As a University of Idaho graduate, a television sports reporter, a beauty queen who was Miss Wasilla and competed for Miss Alaska, Palin brings a bit of the "Legally Blonde" aspect to the race -– you underestimate her at your peril, as opponents found in Alaska, and in the movie.

Militantly anti-choice and evangelical, the 44-year-old gave birth to her last child five months ago. (There were complications — the child has Down Syndrome — a point that she brings up in explaining her convictions.) Does she woo women, the disgruntled ex-Hillary supporters? That may be a tougher sell, given that she's bound to back the kind of Supreme Court justices who will remove abortion protections.

And on energy, she could have a debate with her ticket-mate, for Palin favors drilling for oil in the Alaska wildlife refuge, while McCain opposes it -– for now.

Oil has made her state rich, so much so that Palin has asked the legislature this year to give every Alaskan $1,200 as one-time energy relief. But it's also made it ripe for corruption.

Tough, independent, a feisty feminist — that's one image of the Republican pick. But there's also the echo of Dan Quayle.

In Alaska, big dreams come to life quickly. They just as swiftly crash.


Louie, I agree with Kendall. I cannot think of any reason why I would choose to vote GOP for the first time. I hope you will change your mind after learning more about all of the candidates.


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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Donuel
Date: 29 Aug 08 - 05:46 PM

I have found out exactly who owns her and how long she has been groomed for this job and why. There was no sudden surprise decision.

Her credo: Drill Drill Drill ANW(life)R must be drilled NOW.

Her owners: Big Oil

Her Groomer: Murcdoch and the Wall Street Journal

100 days ago she was contacted to do the Wall Street Journal TV special In Search of Black Gold. It will air September 24th

The anti abortion issue is a feather in McCain's hat. The myth that she is a crack shot hunter is laughable.

Now that you know, listen for her progressively strident position on drilling.



"Obama scares me" she says this a lot
"In a world of hurt!" her favorite phrase and repeated like McCain's says"my friends"


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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Peace
Date: 29 Aug 08 - 06:24 PM

No offence: McCain won't be elected.


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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: GUEST,Jack the Sailor
Date: 29 Aug 08 - 06:27 PM

>>If you're a Democrat, can you think of a Republican you'd rather see as Vice President?

McCain is seventy two. I'd like someone with an inkling of an idea of what to do if he can't complete his term. Each person who ran against him in the primaries and Joe Lieberman would be better choices in my opinion.

Has this woman even thought about being President before a few days ago?


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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Ebbie
Date: 29 Aug 08 - 06:31 PM

"I have found out exactly who owns her..." Donuel

NO, Donuel, you have NOT.

Posting that old magazine cover of Palin is counter-productive, to my mind. I think it's a STUPID look; she looks much better now.

The funny thing is that a month or two ago at music I said to the group, You know, I suspect that Governor Palin plans to become President one day.

One musician, in city government, nodded his head. Oh, yeah, he said.

Incidentally, Alaska's corruption has come to light in recent years but I wonder if it may be farther toward cleaning itself up than some other states? When the FBI made that raid on legislative offices and then it came down the pipe that several legislators were arrested and indicted I read a political column which claimed that "this is a sad day for Alaska".

I don't agree at all. Corruption coming to light is a GOOD thing; the sad part of it is that it was happening.


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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Lonesome EJ
Date: 29 Aug 08 - 06:34 PM

Choosing a woman...Smart! Choosing a woman with no national or foreign policy skills, some experience as a suburban mayor, and an anti-abortion pro-NRA stance as well? A very odd choice.
Her conservative stances may woo some right wingers in the Republican Party, but not like Romney would have. And trying to appeal to the sort of anti-sexist bra-burners on Hillary's left edge who would throw votes to McCain out of spite, with this conservative woman? Ann Coulter would have been just as good.

I am thankful for the choice. If you think McC will look like a bumbler in the debates with Obama, how is this woman going to deal with Biden?

This smells like a deal reached by McCain alone and based upon the quandary "how can I rein in the conservatives and retain the unhappy Hillary women? RIGHT! A conservative woman!"
But she's unqualified.
"So what? So is Obama!"
Right.


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