Subject: RE: BS: Remember 9/11
From:
Skivee
Date: 27 Mar 11 - 10:35 AM
VT. I remember the Bush reading a book video very well my self.
My interpretation is in line with Don Firth's. I didn't like the guy or the job he did as President. His environmental, health, educational, and military policies have proven disastrous. They MOST CERTAINLY tried to consolidate power at the expense of the "little guy", and give themselves protection against those opposed to their policies. But Bush as calculating murderer of thousands of American citizens and destroyer of the most valuable property in NYC?
I don't think that either he or his cronies were that smart.
And I ask again, how have they benefited by their supposed plot? There was no power grab that changed the US utterly. When his term ran out, both he and Cheney left office. Neither he or his advisers tried to make themselves "President for Life".
They didn't make themselves richer than they would have been, or more powerful, or get better "dates" with their pretty office staffers.
They certainly ineptly used that stupid color system to try to sway mid-term elections. It didn't work.
I understand your skepticism. There was a lot that stank in the Bush administration; but for me, this one doesn't pass the test.
I respectfully disagree with your thoughts on this.
Lizzie, I doubt that you can produce documents from the World Trade Center that tells folks that the two freaking biggest buildings in NYC would be shut down for maintenance. Nearly 50,000 people worked in the WTC buildings. Over the weekends, that number obviously dropped but there were still tens of thousands there most of the time. I don't think you have any idea of the physical amount of work you would be talking about...getting of tons of explosives into the building,(via what? semi's in the parking garages, then using the elevators on each floor?
How would you convince each business on every floor to just stop working for a while, and "we're gonna be installing some new "fun plastic protector padding around the supports right near every bank of elevators on your floor." The army of technicians needed to place charges on every floor in less than a month would have numbered in the thousands?... placing detonators, rigging electrical lines.
And to have NOBODY say "who are all these creepy guys in our office
Many of your experts turn out to be suspect in THEIR reasoning. Many of the Truther "facts" have been shown to be inventions and willful misinterpretation. Like your supposed "we're just gonna close the whole place down for a bit" memo, it's B.S.
Show me videos of all those explosive trucks arriving, taken by any of the various cameras in ATMs, businesses,street cams, etc. Nobody could have gotten them all. How about testimony from actual inhabitants of the WTC towers who said that they saw suspicious characters moving strange volumes of stuff around.
Chemical tests done by people I trust showed NO PE residue on WTC debris.
The look of the "explosions" out of successive floors of the towers was quite consistent with air being rammed out the sides of the buildings as the tons of material smashed down from above.
You've ignored my comment about steel softening when exposed to extreme heat over time. I can only assume that it's because it's inconvenient to your beliefs.
I have seen interviews with the men who designed the WTC towers. They stated that the fire protection system placed around each support girder was only expected to give a few hours of support in extreme heat...long enough to evacuate, but not to prevent collapse.
Planes were flown into each building at high speed, about double the normal landing of take-off speed.
The planes blowing through the structure blasted most of the fire retardant away, so the structure collapsed sooner than designed for.
Body parts and plane parts were found all around the WTC complex and the Pentagon.
The fact that thousands of people are convinced that the WTC and the Pentagon, and Shanksville were all faked is a statistical blip when compared with the millions who do think that the broad strokes are correct.
But opinion is not important. Facts are. The various conspiracy theories don't hold up in the face of facts. Keep in mind that for a lot of us these were local events; and that we saw a lot more raw images that you did in the UK.
Workers at the Pentagon who were horribly burned and injured by the explosion have repeatedly said that the impact was from outside, and that they smelled aviation fuel as they tried to rescue themselves and their coworkers.
Now please re-read this section of my previous post and think REALLY HARD about it:
"Could you imagine what could possibly make people lie about it after they watched the offices they had been working in explode around them, whose faces and bodies have been destroyed by third degree burns, whose coworkers died before their eyes, who tried to drag the smoldering and smashed bodies out, who saw the body parts, who have to live with not being able to rescue the screaming friends on the other side of walls of fire?"
Now what could you think up that would make a woman whose face has been burned up to lie about how it happened. You didn't see her, because by the time she was being interviewed on local TV, the international press had moved on. I saw a lot of that, as well as hearing about the impact face to face from people I know .
They weren't lying.
Lizzie, I could go on the www.Intratubesweb and find a substantial number of folks who that believe without a doubt that strange forces or aliens, or the government are actually inserting fibers and insects into their bodies.. They are wrong.
There are those that are convinced that the moon landings were faked...that hundreds of people I met at NASA (of all different political and philosophical stripes) are all lying...that at least the first landing was faked. And that every one of the major players has kept that secret for over 40 years. Nobody blurted the truth out while drunk, or while flipped out?
I saw the launches of the last two Saturn Vs up close and personal. It would have been easier to fake than the complex truth I saw. I have met and talked with several astronauts. The Soviets did not proclaim the landings fake, though it would have been a tremendous propaganda coup if they could have proven it.
During one of the Apollo missions, at a point when the remaining fuel was vented from the S-IVb stage. The moment was being shown on TV from the capsule.
My buddy Paul said,"I wonder if we could see that?" We went outside and saw the expanding gas cloud in line with the moon.
There are those who think that aliens crashed near Roswell, and that their bodies are floating in some big pool of formaldehyde somewhere.
The conspiracy theorists are wrong about all these things, but believe them as passionately as you do.
Please show me that "Closing the WTC for a bit" notice.
And please show me that support girders don't lose their strength structural integrity when heated to 2,000F for 2 hours...that they don't sag and lose the ability to support the millions of pounds of material above them
And please show me proof that no plane hit the Pentagon, since that is central to the lawsuit you have brought to our attention. I can show you proof that you are wrong, but you won't believe it.
Lastly. I've no lover of Israel, but what the HELL are you going on about with them?????
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