BS: Remember 9/11

Subject: RE: BS: Remember 9/11
From: Greg F.
Date: 27 Mar 11 - 10:42 AM

Quoth Lizzie: I went out there into the internt and found it...

RIGHT YOU ARE! Ya read it on the Internet- IT MUST BE TRUE !!!

Jesus wept.

Subject: RE: BS: Remember 9/11
From: Jeri
Date: 27 Mar 11 - 11:03 AM

Photos Of Flt 77 Wreckage Inside The Pentagon

Conspiracy theories can be fun, because you don't have to answer questions, only ask them, and you can make up your own answers and expect others to refute them. They NEVER end.

Is it the same people who come up with these theories of incredibly intricate and delicate plots, executed precisely who also laugh at the government as being incompetent? "Military Intelligence" -- you can't have it both ways. You can despise the US government, but when you find yourself making up stories or believing someone else's to show how evil the government is, you're just trying too hard.

I don't believe anyone inside the Pentagon would have seen the plane except those who happened to be looking out a window in the outer ring on the side facing the plane's approach BEFORE it hit. Once it hit, it wouldn't have been a plane anymore, and people would likely be dead, injured or panicked. There are people from outside the Pentagon who saw it. There was a flight that disappeared somewhere and a planeload of people who disappeared somewhere and air traffic controllers who tracked the plane to somewhere.

And when people ask how many folks had to be involved in what would have been a Top Secret project, it would include thousands. I think that the people promoting this conspiracy theory are well able to create some explanation for that as well...

...they just haven't tried yet.

Subject: RE: BS: Remember 9/11
From: Skivee
Date: 27 Mar 11 - 11:22 AM

Andrewe: so the website that you point to tries to prove that what the government said about there being a 757 that crashed into the Pentagon is actually proof of a Gov. cover-up because various witnesses have agreed with the government's story. He tries to reveal a conspiracy by saying that what the conspirators have told you is true.
He notes photos of debris that have been photo-shopped, but I have seen versions of those same images without the obvious layering of photoshop textures.
The logic is so circular, but twisted that I think the value of Pi has been rounded to 3.0.
BTW, this guy's theory would mean that the lawsuit that Lizzie thinks is proof is a government conspiracy too; making the gal who brought the suit AND Lizzie complicit in the conspiracy. Points to you Lizzie. The nuttier you appear to be, the better you are doing your job. Ingenious!
...Or maybe Andrew, you by linking to the website, have revealed yourself as an agent of the shadow government's convoluted plot. This recursion thing can be fun.
I'm probably an agent too because my denial is likely a red herring meant to make the doubters doubt while doubting doubting...wait, if I was, that's just the kind of thing that I would say. So I should deny it. But that's just what you expect me to do, so that PROVES the Iocaine is in the second glass.
BTW I'm really not an agent of the shadow government...really...I promise.

Subject: RE: BS: Remember 9/11
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 27 Mar 11 - 11:28 AM

Greg, there's a great deal on the internet that's true you know, alongside all the bullshit. It's why the world is changing, because truth is now far more difficult to keep locked up.

You want to find it, you go look, I'm fed up trawling through it all...As I said, it's on my FB way back, if it's still there at all...and on various 9/11 threads in here..click my name then browse the posts...

skivee, answer me this...WHY are all the experts coming out demanding questions are answered? Why did so much evidence 'disappear'?

How come the only three buildings that fell down in exactly the same way were had Larry Silverstein's name linked to them?   

I mean, is this man just the unluckiest or luckiest guy on the planet?


Jeri, heard 'In The Shadow of the Twins' have you?    Sadly, it's no longer on Youtube, but I'm sure you could ask someone on this thread for the lyrics...

Subject: RE: BS: Remember 9/11
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 27 Mar 11 - 12:17 PM

Here ya go, guys....this is kinda interesting..especially when Werner talks about how the third largest building in history that simply 'fell down' due to office fires was never officially investigated...The other two buildings were of course, Larry's other interests....The Twin Towers..


Werner Simbeck: Member of Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth

Of course, Werner's a Mechanical Engineer, who's studied 9/11 for a long time, but I guess he knows zilch...

Also interesting is the comment about Stephen Harper....

Subject: RE: BS: Remember 9/11
From: Bill D
Date: 27 Mar 11 - 12:44 PM

Lizzie...."WHY are all the experts coming out demanding questions are answered? "

They're not. SOME folks who take rhetorical questions as serious discussion are demanding 'answers', whether there IS an answer that fits their theories or not.

"Why did so much evidence 'disappear'?"

It didn't. There are claims about 'evidence' that never existed.

Look at the images in this page and read the witness reports! They thoroughly refute ONE theory... other pages deal with other theories, yet you rely on 'heroes' theories because....ummmm... because they're nice guys?
In past threads, we have posted explanations of what really happened to Larry Silverstein's buildings..... yet you just continue to go back to the assertions that show what you have now committed to.

In short, there are many, many experts and their detailed explanations on the web which make FAR more sense than just guess work by armchair conspiracy nuts. You simply have chosen a set of 'questions' that you claim are not answered...and which cannot BE answered because it is a circular argument to assert that because they are not answered, they must be true!

It has been EXPLAINED why buildings fell as they did... yet you look briefly at the technical explanations, and again assert "...but buildings CAN'T fall that way! I know because several people said so!"

I suppose that, 100 years from now, after no 'hidden conspiracies' are revealed, someone will say the same things again....

Subject: RE: BS: Remember 9/11
From: Bill D
Date: 27 Mar 11 - 12:52 PM

and by the way.... there are CLEAR 'answers' on web pages you don't seem to bother with

Subject: RE: BS: Remember 9/11
From: Bill D
Date: 27 Mar 11 - 12:55 PM

More... wanna bother to read it?

Subject: RE: BS: Remember 9/11
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 27 Mar 11 - 12:56 PM

You read your pages, Bill, I'll listen to my videos....

So er..did you actually watch that video then? Did you listen to the Engineery bloke, or have you already ascertained that he knows nothing and is merely another scaremongerer, as are all his colleagues...?

Subject: RE: BS: Remember 9/11
From: Bill D
Date: 27 Mar 11 - 01:28 PM

He's not dumb, just mis-informed...partly by his own faulty assumptions.

"You read your pages, Bill, I'll listen to my videos.."

Right.... you wouldn't want to confuse yourself with facts. I HAVE read many, many pages about the theories you assert, and then I went to see if there were good answer..... there were.

It's not useless to ASK... it is just strange to be so committed to the questioning that you cannot recognize reasonable answers.

Subject: RE: BS: Remember 9/11
From: Greg F.
Date: 27 Mar 11 - 01:30 PM

Greg, there's a great deal on the internet that's true you know, alongside all the bullshit.

So Lizzie- exactly what criteria do you use and what tests do you apply to separate the Internet bullshit from what's "true"?

Inquiring minds want to know........

Subject: RE: BS: Remember 9/11
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 27 Mar 11 - 01:43 PM

Well, I feel that the Engineers probably know what they're talking about. Stupid, I know...but there ya go.

I also feel this way about the Firefighters do, and the Architects, and the Police, the Emergency guys as well and some of the top brass in the Military...then there's the pilots too and the scholars and the...... lordy it do go on and on, even more than I do...

Bill, you read, I watch...just a different way of learning.

The Firefighters in particular talk over and again about how they were told to destroy evidence, rather than save it, which is what they're trained to do, after *any* fire, let alone something as horrendous as 9/11...

Dunno...
Probably just being 'thick' me again, I suppose...

Sigh...I wish I was real clever like you guys, then I'd know all the answers, for sure, absolutely, positively, 110%, with no shadow of any doubt....

Not even the Shadow that hangs over The Twin Towers and what really happened...

Subject: RE: BS: Remember 9/11
From: Greg F.
Date: 27 Mar 11 - 03:17 PM

Not even the Shadow...

Wrong! Who knows what evil lurks in the hearts of men? THE SHADOW KNOWS!

Subject: RE: BS: Remember 9/11
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 27 Mar 11 - 03:23 PM

Now, now, Greg...focus, focus... :0)

Subject: RE: BS: Remember 9/11
From: Wesley S
Date: 27 Mar 11 - 04:46 PM

Lizzie - I'm still waiting for an answer to my question. Break it down any way you want to. How many people were involved in the event and it's coverup??

Subject: RE: BS: Remember 9/11
From: Skivee
Date: 27 Mar 11 - 05:45 PM

Lizzie, you blow past serious substantive questions about the practicality of the views you support.
Please back up and look at my questions and those of others...and answer them with something besides yet another than "this guy is a firefighter, engineer, military expert, so I don't have to think about what I'm telling you is the real secret truth". I could show you a lot more folks that I trust to take a strongly opposed view.

Do you believe that planes hit the WTC?...or why not?
Do you believe that intense heat of the aviation fuel caused the support girder failure that resulted in the collapse of both towers...or why not.
Do you believe that the failure of WTC7 was caused by impact damage and the heat of a large diesel fuel tank burning at the base of the building?...or why not.
Do you have proof that the WTC towers were "closed for maintainence just before the attacks as you "seemed to recall"? If so, where is that proof?
Do you believe that a plane hit the Pentagon? or why not.
Do you believe that if a 757 actually did hit the Pentagon, that the suit still has merit even if that the denial of that event event is central to the suit?...or why not.
Do you believe that the horribly injured victims who do not support your views are lying?...why would they do that?
Do you believe that a faceless cabal of agents run by Bush/Cheney, and supported by Israel or Jews, faked everything? ...or why not.

How did the conspirators benefit from the attacks?

I strongly suspect that you will avoid substantive answers.


Secret Agent X305A, Provocateur Division
I didn't mean that.
I'm not a real agent...or am I?

Subject: RE: BS: Remember 9/11
From: GUEST,999--darned memory
Date: 28 Mar 11 - 06:26 AM

"...arrrgggggggggggggghhhhhhh!!!"

Quoting Bill is something I just love doing.

Regarding 9/11, there are things that just don't look right to me. You recall that psychology class in which 500 people witnessed the same scene and only three people got it right? Well, none of us was that guy.

Subject: RE: BS: Remember 9/11
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 28 Mar 11 - 07:04 AM

"Lizzie - I'm still waiting for an answer to my question. Break it down any way you want to. How many people were involved in the event and it's coverup?? "

What cover-up? You've all told me there was none.

Nobody had anything to gain from it, not the Zionists who may have instantly created yet more hatred towards the Arabs, had they done it....not those who benefitted hugely from the insurance side of things, some of whom also happened to be er...Zionists...Not the government who rushed into Afghanistan faster than Bush loaded the Bin Laden's onto the planes to get them out of the USA....not the arms dealers, the war mongers, the US mineral companies who just happened to stumble upon around a $trillion's worth of Afghan minerals...

And don't even get me started on the FIRST bombing of the WTC and the disturbing part the FBI played in that one....All part of the public records, I believe, all documented evidence..but it kinda disappeared from the media pretty fast...

skivee....you'll never get the kind of answer you want from me, as my brain doesn't do the same thing as your brain, I'm afraid.

Again, I say to you, I trust the Firefighters, those who survived, who saw their friends disappear up that staircase, never to come down alive...those who were given orders not to collect evidence in the way they've been taught to...

Too many WTFs???? for me to believe what the US government came out with...

As I said in a previous thread, I bet you guys believed that there were really Weapons of Mass Destruction in Iraq too, huh? Why? Because the Government told you there was?

Hmmmmmm.........

Subject: RE: BS: Remember 9/11
From: Wesley S
Date: 28 Mar 11 - 07:35 AM

So you are unwilling or unable to answer the question. Which is it?

Subject: RE: BS: Remember 9/11
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 28 Mar 11 - 07:49 AM

Wesley, do you know how many people, to the exact number, are involved in the cover-up of 9/11?

Do you know how many people are involved in refusing to answer the questions put to them by so many highly intelligent experts involved in 9/11, not just on that fateful day, but who've studied the outcome, in depth, ever since?


"Lizzie, there was *NO* cover-up!"

...a..d....i..n...f..n...i..t...u....mmmmmmmmhmmmmmmm

Subject: RE: BS: Remember 9/11
From: kendall
Date: 28 Mar 11 - 08:12 AM

Not all the liars are republicans.

Subject: RE: BS: Remember 9/11
From: Wesley S
Date: 28 Mar 11 - 09:07 AM

Lizzie - Here's why the "inside job" story doesn't work for me:

Unless it was handled by Fu Manchu and his minions there would have had to have been too many people to pull it off without the story getting out. You don't seem to be willing to adress that issue. I suspect I know why.

FYI - I worked in the industrial metals industry for 16 years. I am not a metalurgist. But I worked closly with dozens of them for many years. I had to prove that what I sold met their standards. One of them was a highly respected member of the industry board that wrote the specs for industrial metals. What the chemistry of a particular metals consisted of and more importantly - what test results had to be met to make sure a metal qualified for usage.

When this whole "inside job" malarky gor started I asked the folks I was in contact with what they thought about it. Many laughed. That all thought there was nothing to it. One put it this way : "Hey - crackpot crave attention". Now I could trust your experts that you found making videos on youtube or I could trust men and women I've worked with and trusted. Guess what I decided to do?


Here's what a lot of your experts seem to ignore , pass over or not consider:

There is a big difference between the temps that a metals melts at vs the temp it will fail at. Metal will fail long before it melts.

Testing standards for metals can be deceiving. Metals are often tested using a 1 inch diameter test bar. A 40,000 test of a 1 inch test bar means a 20 inch OD bar can test at 24,000. It was never intended to meet 40,000. But that's how the metals industry grades materials - IF it performs this way at 1 inch it should be OK under this application. Are you familiar with tensile, yield and elongation tests? Charpy V notch tests? Heat treating tests and standards?

When you heat metal it changes the physical characteristics. It becomes something different. No one intended for these metals to sit in a fireball for extented periods of time. Because when they do - they change. And fail.

I'm sure you'll gloss over what I have to say or ignore it compleatly. That's your right. But whenever this trial is over it won't prove a thing to anyone who has already made up their mind.

After all - have you considered that it might have been the tri-lateral commision that was behind it? Or SPECTRE? My money is still on Fu Manchu in cohorts with Professor Moriarty.

Subject: RE: BS: Remember 9/11
From: Lighter
Date: 28 Mar 11 - 09:54 AM

>Metal will fail long before it melts.

This fact is even more important than it might seem. It stands for whole textbooks full of rock-bottom facts that professionals know and that conspiracy theorists don't. They don't even think about such possibilities. They start from a point of complete ignorance, which they mistake for complete objectivity.

Subject: RE: BS: Remember 9/11
From: Wesley S
Date: 28 Mar 11 - 10:06 AM

Right Lighter. And some of the folks I talked to wrote those textbooks.

Subject: RE: BS: Remember 9/11
From: Greg F.
Date: 28 Mar 11 - 05:12 PM

have you considered that it might have been the tri-lateral commision that was behind it? Or SPECTRE?

Not a chance.

The Illuminati, for sure. Unless, of course, it was the Knights Templar.
Or the Millenium Group. Or the Unions.

Jeez, if only we still had the Commies to blame these things on.....

Subject: RE: BS: Remember 9/11
From: Donuel
Date: 28 Mar 11 - 05:19 PM

I learned just last Saturday that a Japanese friend of ours perished in 9-11

Subject: RE: BS: Remember 9/11
From: Greg F.
Date: 29 Mar 11 - 09:02 AM

Can't be- only Red-Blooded Americans died in the towers, right? RIGHT??

Subject: RE: BS: Remember 9/11
From: kendall
Date: 29 Mar 11 - 09:15 AM

To hear the flag wavers and Sabre rattlers talk one would think so.

Subject: RE: BS: Remember 9/11
From: Wesley S
Date: 29 Mar 11 - 10:00 AM

There are a lot of these "inside jobbers" that are convinced that no jewish people were in the towers that day. I guess they all got the memo to stay home. Strange that not one of them has come forward to admit it......

Subject: RE: BS: Remember 9/11
From: Bill D
Date: 29 Mar 11 - 10:52 AM

I heard a rumor that some crazy Saudi named 'bin Laden' financed a scheme to train 4 teams of young men to hijack 4 planes and crash them into US targets! Pretty far out, huh?
But that's SO improbable.... I think it's more likely that our government either planned or looked the other way while hundreds of anonymous 'experts' rigged explosives, programmed missiles, sabotaged radar, faked records, mentally inserted false memories into the minds of eyewitnesses, doctored thousands of photos, prevented the Air Force from interfering, spirited Saudi families out of the states, warned Jews not to go to work, and THEN managed to get ignorant and/or corrupt 'officials' to provide a fake 'commission' to do a superficial 'investigation' designed to hide their nefarious activities and blame the whole thing on that silly bin Laden fellow.
.....oh...all those billions to chase bin Laden? They were just rewards to the Military-Industrial complex for complicity in the scheme!

Subject: RE: BS: Remember 9/11
From: Donuel
Date: 29 Mar 11 - 11:06 AM

I started a thread titled 9-11 anniversary where I recounted the entire experience of my neighbor who worked at the Pentagon.
My interview of her took over an hour.

It was highly praised
I wonder if it can be found.

Subject: RE: BS: Remember 9/11
From: artbrooks
Date: 29 Mar 11 - 11:15 AM

This one?

Subject: RE: BS: Remember 9/11
From: Lighter
Date: 29 Mar 11 - 11:29 AM

Hey, Bill. What about the absolutely irrefutable fact, shown in a conspiracy theory video, that the hole in the Pentagon was shaped nothing nothing like the wings and fuselage of a jetliner?

So the hole could easily have been made by planted explosives, which matches up with the security camera stuff.

Of course, I saw the alleged conpiracy video on a History Channel show that argued against a conspiracy. But the History Channel might well be part of the coverup....

On the other hand, it's also the channel that keeps telling us that history itself got its biggest boost from space aliens, despite the coverup by mainstream "archaeologists" and "historians."

And the History Channel should know....

My head hurts.

Subject: RE: BS: Remember 9/11
From: Stringsinger
Date: 29 Mar 11 - 12:41 PM

One of the biggest problems regarding how well the experience of 911 is as a teaching moment is the lack of real information we have about it emanating from the white-washed official reports.

This is why it is indelibly drawn on our memory, it was never resolved.

Subject: RE: BS: Remember 9/11
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 29 Mar 11 - 01:09 PM

From 'The Folks'....including folks who are architects and structural engineers.......

The word you'll hear most on this is...."IMPOSSIBLE!", so be forewarned...

REMEMBER BUILDING 7?

Subject: RE: BS: Remember 9/11
From: catspaw49
Date: 29 Mar 11 - 03:55 PM

And the word I have best for it is HORSESHIT!!!!!

The whole Bldg. 7 issue has been debunked so completely it is to laugh that anyone still pushes it........or should I say "pull?" Notice how the truthers no longer make a big deal out of the word pull being used.   Feel free to read and examine a different site......CLICK HERE


Spaw

Subject: RE: BS: Remember 9/11
From: Greg F.
Date: 29 Mar 11 - 04:01 PM

Yeah, Spaw, but of late bullshit is in the saddle and rides mankind.

(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

Subject: RE: BS: Remember 9/11
From: catspaw49
Date: 29 Mar 11 - 04:04 PM

***LOL***.........wait.....maybe I ought to be crying here...................***sigh***........

Spaw

Subject: RE: BS: Remember 9/11
From: Bill D
Date: 29 Mar 11 - 06:28 PM

"What about the absolutely irrefutable fact, shown in a conspiracy theory video, that the hole in the Pentagon was shaped nothing nothing like the wings and fuselage of a jetliner?"

Oh, I HOPE you are kidding. It has been explained 6 ways from Sunday why you don't see a wing shaped holes in the Pentagon...like you would in a cartoon.

***"Wings are fragile and break off. They have MUCH less mass than the basic bulk of the plane." ***

They DID find small pieces of wings....a couple with identifiable markings.
What one needs to do is LOOK at the images of various plane parts, both on the lawn, and inside the building and read the eyewitness reports of those who SAW the plane.....then work backwards KNOWING that it waqs a plane. This is what the 'real' experts did.

Subject: RE: BS: Remember 9/11
From: Lighter
Date: 29 Mar 11 - 07:20 PM

I thought you could recognize satire when you saw it. You really should read things through before you reply.

OTOH, there must be people reading this right now who believe that the History Channel is part of the coverup. It's owned by Disney, Hearst, and NBC Universal, all big fat corporations with connection to billionaires. Follow the money....

Subject: RE: BS: Remember 9/11
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 30 Mar 11 - 07:04 AM

I think one of you mentioned above about how the statements of witnesses who were actually THERE are so important...

I completely agree.....

So....here ya go...

Excellent words in the song at the end too........


Strange to be there to document evidence on an attack that apparently not a single person was aware about, other than a bloke in a cave and his accomplices...

But then again, maybe that's just lil' ol' me refusing to toe the official line and daring to ask questions....

Watch out, guys, here comes your Emperor...and once again, he has no clothes on...honest, he doesn't....He's stark naked...to the point of transparency...but you see him in a Saville Row suit all the time...

Subject: RE: BS: Remember 9/11
From: bobad
Date: 30 Mar 11 - 07:57 AM

"When the Anti-Defamation League (ADL) first released its 2003 report Unraveling Anti-Semitic 9/11 Conspiracy Theories, we said then that these conspiracy theories were likely to form the basis of a new anti-Semitic canard that would linger for decades and be used to demonize Jews and Israel. Three years later, this prediction has proven to be true, as these theories gain more currency around the world, particularly in Muslim and Arab countries.

Blaming Jews for manipulating world events for their own benefit is not new -- it is at the very root of anti-Semitism. These theories are a continuation of age-old allegations that there is a secret and powerful group of Jews who regularly plot deceitful, sinister actions in order to gain power. These allegations were behind the fabricated anti-Semitic publication, The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion. More than a century later, Jews are still fighting against this dangerous scapegoating, which has made them a constant target for hatred."

http://www.adl.org/main_Anti_Semitism_Domestic/9_11_conspiracy_theories.htm

Subject: RE: BS: Remember 9/11
From: catspaw49
Date: 30 Mar 11 - 08:24 AM

When you go deep down the Conspiracy Hole I guess there is nothing you won't believe. I have it on good authority that the Holocaust was a Jewish plan to make the Nazis look bad.................


Spaw

Subject: RE: BS: Remember 9/11
From: Wesley S
Date: 30 Mar 11 - 08:33 AM

So if I saw the video correctly - part of the plot was to drive around New York City the day of the attacks in a truck painted with planes flying into the World Trade Center?

What purpose did that serve?

Subject: RE: BS: Remember 9/11
From: catspaw49
Date: 30 Mar 11 - 08:45 AM

Once again Wesley I must remind you not to bring any form of logic or reasoning into this discussion!   Honestly, I am so ahamed........I thought you knew better...........................

Spaw

Subject: RE: BS: Remember 9/11
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 30 Mar 11 - 08:48 AM

Well, the lassie who saw them apparently spoke the truth, just as you think your witnesses did...so who knows..Not much else has been heard of those guys since, although there's a TV interview with them out there, where again, they state they were there to document the evidence.

I tell you what though, if they had brought the George Washington Bridge to a standstill that would have created chaos for a very long time too...big bridge, horrendous even...I was scared shitless going across that thing, all those cars, all those traffic lanes...Yikes!

Blaming Jews is no different from blaming Arabs I guess....and it's not the ordinary Jewish people that are being 'blamed' here, but the Zionists, who, like any other extremist group will have folks in there who are heartless and don't give a damn about anything other than their causes.

Extremists are Extremists, no matter their religion, their nationality or their skin colour.

Subject: RE: BS: Remember 9/11
From: Wesley S
Date: 30 Mar 11 - 11:12 AM

Sorry Lizzie but I just don't understand -why was it part of the plot to drive around New York City the day of the attacks in a truck painted with planes flying into the World Trade Center?

Subject: RE: BS: Remember 9/11
From: catspaw49
Date: 30 Mar 11 - 11:19 AM

They were probably selling candy bars out of the bed......fund raiser I guess...............

Spaw

Subject: RE: BS: Remember 9/11
From: Wesley S
Date: 30 Mar 11 - 11:25 AM

Robert Redford has directed a conspiracy movie. Here's a link to the preview.


Youtube link

Subject: RE: BS: Remember 9/11
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 30 Mar 11 - 11:29 AM

More 'nutters' (as you would call them)....The New York Firefighters...

Some of these brave men didn't survive, but left behind their words as to what they were seeing and hearing. Others did survive, and are still using their words to tell the world what they saw and heard on that day...

So how do you explain all the glass that was blown out, in the foyer? I mean, the Firefighter himself tells you about it. The building hadn't yet come down, but the scene in the foyer was of an explosion, the force blowing *out* the windows, not in....according to the guys who were there, who were trained in these matters..and who are still, to this day, waiting for their many questions to be answered....

But hey, what do they know, right guys?