Lyr Req: 'Rose, Rose' round: More verses?

Subject: "Rose, Rose" round: more verses?
From:
Date: 26 Mar 97 - 12:13 PM

Hey !

I've got the round that goes:

Rose, Rose, Rose, Rose,
Shall I ever see thee wed?
I will marry at thy will, Sire
At thy will.

These other two rounds can be sung together with "Rose":

Thou poor bird, take thy flight
High above the sorrows of this dark night.

And:

Heigh, ho, nobody home
Meat, nor drink, nor money have I none
Still, I will be merry....

I've also collected these verses (or variants):

Ding, dong, ding, dong
Wedding bells on a April morn
Carve my name on a moss-covered stone
A moss-covered stone

Rose, Rose, Rose, Rose
Shall I ever see thee wed?
What shall be the name of the lass, Rose?
Name of the lass?

Ding, Dong, Ding, Dong
Church bells chime on an April morn
Dawn will see thee married today, Rose
Married today.

So. Does anybody
A) have more verses?
B) know anything about the history of the bits I've got?

Thanks!

Tamara [e-mail]

Subject: RE:
From:
Date: 27 Mar 97 - 12:45 AM

Yes, there's at least one more, here it goes.

Ding dong, ding dong
Funeral bells on an October morn
Rose my Rose is dead and gone
Oh, dead and gone.

Sorry about the other, I don't know any history about it.

Catfeet

Subject: RE:
From:
Date: 28 Mar 97 - 10:20 AM

ThankS!!

Here's a couple more I dug out of my DB, if you're interested:

Rose, Rose, Rose, Rose
Will I ever see thee wed?
I will marry at thy will
If thou but stay

Many a moon has waxed and waned
On this day a child is born
What shall be the name of the lass, Rose?
Name of the lass

Thou poor bird
Mournst thou the tree
Where sweetly thou didst warble
In thy wand'rings free

Vent frais, vent du matin
Vent qui souffle les sommets des grands pins
joie du vent qui souffle
allons dans le grand...

Hey, ho, spaun der Wagen an
denn der Wind strallt Regen heir ins Land
Hohl die goldenen Graaben, Hohl die goldenen Graaben...

I'm afraid I don't even have the translations for these last. Can anyone help?

Thanks again, Cat,

Tamara
[e-mail]

Subject: RE:
From: cathy
Date: 29 Mar 97 - 10:51 AM

Here is the song the way I learned it:

Rose, rose, rose, rose
Will I ever see thee wed?
"Aye, marry, that thou will, sir,
That thou will."

Ding, dong, ding, dong
Wedding bell on an April morn
Carve thy name on a moss-covered stone
On a moss-covered stone

"Mother, father, dig my grave
Dig it with a golden spade
Bring two friends and a turtledove
To show that I died
To show that I died for love."

Hope this helps,
cahty

Subject: RE:
From: Kate
Date: 21 May 97 - 02:22 PM

One more verse:

Red rose, white rose
Both unite on England's throne
Men of freedom shall have none, sir
Shall have none

Subject: RE:
From:
Date: 22 May 97 - 09:11 AM

There's a round from 1609 which is compatible with Rose, Rose:

O My Loue, lou'st thou mee? then quickly come
and saue him that dyes for thee.

It's sung to the tune of "Thou poor bird", which is different from the tune for Rose, Rose. I have midi for it on my Ravenscroft webpage:

http://www.pbm.com/~lindahl/ravenscroft/modern/

Deuteromelia #24.

-- g

Subject: RE:
From: Anna Root
Date: 22 May 97 - 03:36 PM

Just a small variation:

Oh, poor bird!
Why art thou
Standing in the shadows of these dark hours.

Thanks for collecting all these. Very interesting thread.

Subject: RE:
From: Susan of DT
Date: 22 May 97 - 07:40 PM

Kate's verse sounds like the War of the Roses with Tudor uniting York (white) with Lancaster (red), or at least uniting them when Henry Tudor VII married a York princess.

Subject: RE:
From:
Date: 26 May 97 - 08:13 PM

Vent frais, vent du matin
Vent qui souffle les sommets des grands pins
joie du vent qui souffle
allons dans le grand...

Literal translation:
Wind fresh, wind of morning
Wind which rustles the tops of the big pines
Joy of the wind which blows
Let's go in the big...

(For what it's worth!)

Subject: RE:
From:
Date: 09 Jun 97 - 11:45 AM

I remember a verse that went:

Love, love, love, love

Love, the gospel

Love, the word

Love thy neighbor as thy brother

Love, love, love.

Subject: RE: "Rose, Rose" round: more verses?
From:
Date: 09 Jun 97 - 06:28 PM

I'm used to hearing/singing

Love, love, love, love
Christians this is your call
Love thy neighbor as thyself
For God loves all

Subject: RE:
From:
Date: 10 Jun 97 - 09:46 AM

A tiny variant on the original, but with a very large and modern difference: "...I will marry at my will, sire, at my will."

I learned this from the San Francisco Mime Troup, who used the song as a group warmup.

Subject: RE:
From: Charlie Baum
Date: 14 Jun 97 - 10:53 PM

The first set of words I ever learned to that tune were in Hebrew:

A transliteration:
Mah tovu, // ohalecha ya'akov, // mishkinotecha yisrael.
("Ch" is fricative as in Scottish "loch")

It translates as:
"How goodly are your tents, O Jacob, your habitations, O Israel."

It is sometimes sung in the synagogue at the very beginning of a service.
--Charlie Baum

Subject: RE:
From: Bill
Date: 15 Jun 97 - 02:45 AM

Howdy Folks,

Some variations that I commonly use include:

America! America!
How can I tell you how I feel?
You have given me many treasures.
I love you so!

Holy is God.
Holy is the mighty one.
Holy the immortal one.
Have mercy on us.

A Greek version of the one above. (I've never checked these spellings, but they seem to be the way I heard it years ago.)

Hagios ho Theos.
Hagios ho iskuros.
Hagios athanatos.
Eleison y mas.

Love, love, love, love.
The gospel in a word is love.
Love your neighbor as your brother.
Love, love, love.

Allinkausay,
Bill

Subject: RE:
From:
Date: 19 Jun 00 - 11:05 PM

I know this thread is very old, but I woke up this morning with this song in my head. I had learned it in camp, and someone had written out a bunch of verses for me, but I lost the paper. I've spent an hour looking for lyrics and my search finally ended here. Yes! Anyways, here are the ones I remembered ( besides the first "Rose..."):
I won't be my father's Jack
And I won't be my mother's Jill
I just want to be a fiddler's wife
And fiddle at my will

Ah, poor bird
Why art thou
Flying in the shadows
Of this dark hour?

Ah, poor bird
Take thy flight
High above the shadows
Of this sad night

Subject: RE:
From: Hotspur
Date: 20 Jun 00 - 10:24 PM

I won't be my father's Jack
And I won't be my mother's Jill
For I will be a fiddler's wife,
And fiddle where I will.

Love, love, love, love
The gospel in one word is love
Love your neighbor as yourself
For God loves us all.

Subject: RE: old thread
From:
Date: 21 Jun 00 - 01:28 PM

heres a few more werses

Come, Come, everybody come
Join us in our happy home,
we celebrate the birthof our son
Our first born son,

Gloom, Gloom, sadness and doom
My rose took ill at the harvest moon.
Chills and fever torcher her so. Lord,
Why my rose...

Subject: RE:
From: Dug
Date: 04 Feb 02 - 07:04 PM

Tune of Irish Ways and Irish Laws?

Subject: RE: 'Rose, Rose' round: More verses?
From: kytrad (Jean Ritchie)
Date: 04 Feb 02 - 07:24 PM

Sounds as though many folks have used this old tune to carry their various messages and feelings. I think the "original," if there can be such a thing, had only these four lines:

Rose, rose, rose, rose,
Shall I ever see thee red?
Aye, marry, that thou wilt
If thou but stay!

which gives it a totally different meaning, having nothing to do with being "wed" (suggested by the word "marry" in the second line which means "certainly," or,"to be sure," in this case. What the song says (to me) is, If you have patience, what you wish will come to pass.

But it IS a tune that we love to borrow- my "Peace Round" is set to (almost) this tune. It is now in the Friends Hymnal, so you can check it out! Jean

P.S. Speeded up, it's also the melody for the round, "Hey Ho, Nobody Home."

Subject: RE: 'Rose, Rose' round: More verses?
From: CapriUni
Date: 04 Feb 02 - 07:36 PM

Jean --

Just thought I'd let you know: the first version of this song I learned was your lyrics. We sang it as part of my school's Thanksgiving celebration, when all the grades from kindergarten through 12th would gather for a communal meal. Hearing it sung in parts (and being a part of it), by 100+ voices of all ages, made quite an impression on me...

So, where can I get a copy of The Friends Hymnal?

Subject: RE: 'Rose, Rose' round: More verses?
From: kytrad (Jean Ritchie)
Date: 05 Feb 02 - 07:38 PM

CapriUni- I don't know; I don't have one myself. Maybe there's a website? Or do you have a friend who's a Friend? This was all done with correspondence, through my publishing company, Geordie Music Pub. Co., and occasionally there's a small royalty statement. They also included another song of mine, "Now is the Cool of the Day." I'd have loved to hear all you school-kids singing, "Peace!" It's a good thought... Jean

Subject: RE: 'Rose, Rose' round: More verses?
From: E.T.
Date: 05 Feb 02 - 11:08 PM

Jean Here's one that may be "it" - one of the books is sacred rounds and chants. Believe title was 'On Holy Ground". I'd like to look at it anyway. Will have to check with "my" Friend.

http://www.quaker.ca/religious_education/y-community.html Elaine.

Subject: RE: 'Rose, Rose' round: More verses?
From: CapriUni
Date: 05 Feb 02 - 11:47 PM

Jean --

Actually, I was raised as a Friend... Or rather, my father was, and he introduced "Friendly" philosophy to my mother, and together, they raised me with this philosophy... but we never did anything with organized religion other than to subscribe to The Friends' Journal. And as far as I know, there were no pre-selected hymns with my father's Meeting, or any other such "embellishments". (I didn't even know there was such a thing as a "Friends' Hymnal").

Thanks for the addy, Elaine... I'll check it out. ... And see if I recognize any of the songs ;-)

Subject: RE: 'Rose, Rose' round: More verses?
From: GUEST,mollificent
Date: 06 Feb 02 - 04:39 PM

Hmmm...it's funny, I first heard the original verses to this song at a late night harper's ceilidh just last week. I had originally learned the round from a friend in college who was introducing me to Wicca (insert shocked gasps here ;)) and whenever we did a ritual we would sing the following round to the Rose Red tune:

Lady, weave your circle tight,
Spin the web of glowing light;
Earth and air and fire and water
Bind us to thee.

I rather like the sound of it, especially sung in a round. But the original words are lovely, too.

Moll

Subject: RE: 'Rose, Rose' round: More verses?
From: GUEST,Eclipse
Date: 06 Feb 02 - 06:13 PM

Lots of varients... and here is another

Up poor bird
Take thy flight
Out into the darkness
Of this cold night
-Eclipse

Subject: RE: 'Rose, Rose' round: More verses?
From: kytrad (Jean Ritchie)
Date: 06 Feb 02 - 11:11 PM

We found, Quakerbooks.Org, A Resource Guide for Quaker Materials from the Friends General Conference Bookstore. They list WORSHIP IN SONG: A FRIENDS HYMNAL ("A songbook/hymnal with music and words reflecting the diversity of The Society of Friends"). It costs $20, but doesn't list the contents- so I don't know if it's the one with, 'The Peace Round,' in it. Maybe they'd tell you if you want to pursue it (kind of a lot to pay for a little song like that- which you already know!).

People keep quoting, "Ah poor bird, take thy flight..." as though it were sung to the same tune as, "Rose, Rose." The "poor bird" song that I know has a completley different melody. No? I'm leaving tomorrow for 10 days, so I guess the thread will be long gone when I get back! Jean"

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: 'Rose, Rose' round: More verses?
From: GUEST,jasmine
Date: 01 Aug 03 - 12:02 AM

I learned this song when I was camper at Camp Steven's Ranch. I cannot believe that there are so many different lyrics of this song. I've only read a couple so far and am quite amazed. My fiends will be surprised to here about all of these different verses.

Subject: translation to modern english
From: GUEST
Date: 15 Nov 03 - 02:25 PM

I need translation to modern english for those lines of the song:
"Aye marry then thou wilt
All thou but stay
When thou are dead"
Thanks
Hadas

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: 'Rose, Rose' round: More verses?
From:
Date: 13 Dec 03 - 10:26 PM

I work for a program where we have campfire everyday. The staff sings this song after the kids leave, everyday. We sing a lot of these versions you have listed. We also have one of our own.

Trees, trees, trees, trees
When I sleep I dream of trees
Alder, Maple, Yew and Hemlock
See how they grow

Some folks also sing the following song to complement the round.

Building bridges between our divisions
If I reach out to you will you reach out to me
With all of our voices and all of our visions
Friends we can make such sweet harmony

Hope that helps.

Jesca

Subject: Lyr Add: ROSE, ROSE
From:
Date: 10 Mar 04 - 11:09 PM

I have a few different verses we would always sing in our S.C.A. (Society for Creative Anachronism) medieval recreation group...

ROSE

Rose, rose, rose red
Shall I ever see thee wed?
I will marry at thy will, sire,
At thy will.

Rose, rose, rose, rose,
When shall we meet again?
When the nights are cold and lonely,
We shall meet again.

Rose, rose, rose white,
Will you be my lover tonight?
I will love thee at thy will, sire,
At thy will.

Ding dong, ding dong,
Wedding bells on an April morn.
Carve her name on a moss-covered stone,
On a moss-covered stone.

Come, come, everyone, come.
Join us in our happy home.
We celebrate the birth of a son,
Our first-born son.

Gloom, gloom, sadness and doom,
My rose took ill at the harvest moon.
Chills and fever tortured her so. Lord,
Why my rose...

Ding dong, ding dong,
Funeral bells on a September morn.
Rose o rose is dead and gone, sire,
Dead and gone.

Enjoy!
Lady Jayne

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: 'Rose, Rose' round: More verses?
From: LadyJean
Date: 10 Mar 04 - 11:41 PM

It is with deep regret that I inform you that some of my friends at Camp Riamo would sing,

Johns johns johns johns,
Will I ever find a john
No they are too far away
Ha! You lose!
Ha! You lose!

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: 'Rose, Rose' round: More verses?
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 03 May 04 - 08:59 PM

At least six threads (plus scouting threads) on this little round. A bookful of speculation but nothing useful on origin. It seems to be absent from the 19th c. compendia of rhymes Is it modified from lines in a play? (suggested before).
Looking over the added rhymes in other threads as well as this one, most were once independent or have floated in from other songs.

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: 'Rose, Rose' round: More verses?
From: GUEST
Date: 23 Jun 04 - 09:08 PM

The way I learned "thou poor bird", it had three verses:

Thou poor bird,
mournst the tree,
where sweetly thou didst warble
in thy wand'ring free.

Ah, poor bird,
take thy flight
far above the sorrows
of this sad night.

Ah, poor maid,
shed thy tears,
your love has fallen
and will not return to you.

Hope this helps a bit. We sang it in round against

"Rose rose rose rose,
will I ever see thee wed?
I will marry at thy will,
sire, at thy will."

((as was mentioned above))

~*~*~*~*

Subject: even more!!
From: GUEST,Delia
Date: 24 Mar 05 - 09:03 PM

I know
Mother Father
dig my grave
dig it with a golden spaid
bring a few friends and an early morning dove
to show that I died for love

Brother Sister at my head
lay the rose which now is dead
lay it on my moss coverd stone
my moss covered stone

hey ho hey ho
no meat no bones no body I have none
still I will be here
forever
still I will be here

the wind in the willows
sighing like a solitary soal alone
I read this somewhere:
Rose is a haunting set of five songs, the tale of a young woman's life. Rose tells of her impending marriage. In Jack, the next song , she defies her parents, vowing to "be a fiddler's wife." Her marriage is described in Ding Dong. Unfortunately, with her marriage to the fiddler came poverty - "Heigh Ho, nobody's home." There is some debate over the meaning of the final song in the sequence, Ah Poor Bird - some believe that it talks about Rose after her death, her spirit unable to rest; others think it simply continues the description of her empoverished life, perhaps including her shame at being in her position.

Peace is not necessarily a part of the sequence, but it has the same general tune, and it is possible that it is in reference to the king mentioned in the first song, (if that is what "sire" refers to).
Peace, peace, peace, peace
Wars will come and wars will cease
We must learn to live together
Peace, peace, peace

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: 'Rose, Rose' round: More verses?
From: GUEST,Someone (a friend)
Date: 29 Nov 05 - 02:20 AM

Thanyou everyone! I was looking up this song because I knew a few verses such as...

Rose, Rose, Rose, Rose,
will I ever see thee wed?
I will marry at thy will, Father
At thy will.

(I learner the firstone at camp and the next in choir)

Heigh, ho, nobody home
Meat, nor drink, nor money have I none
yet, I will be merrrrry.

and...

stay home where nobody knows

I was under the impression that the two songs went together somehow and lets face it, this is not a happy song. Just a Tragic girl who loves a man but her farther is forcing her to marry someone else so she runs away with him. I have so many different veiws of it, not just that but ya.

here are three rounds put together that I know of

Hey ho nobody home
No more sleep nor money I have none still I will be very marry,
Hey ho hum

Rose rose rose rose
Will I ever see thee wed
I will merry at thy will, father
At that will

The wind in the willows sign like a solitary sole alone,
The wind, the wind, the wind, the wind

I hope this helps in some way...
~K.A.C.~

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: 'Rose, Rose' round: More verses?
From: Liath
Date: 29 Nov 05 - 12:04 PM

I never thought of singing 'Ah Poor Bird' and the Rose round together - I bet that sounds beautiful :-)

I learned a different version to the rose round, which I only remember imperfectly. There was only one verse, which went something like:

Rose, rose, rose red
Whenever shall I see thee wed?
I will marry at your will (I'm sure that's not quite right)
When I am dead.

I've no idea where I learned this. Definitely not a family song - perhaps it was something we sang at school.

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: 'Rose, Rose' round: More verses?
From: Seiri Omaar
Date: 29 Nov 05 - 12:21 PM

Version I learned from Crucible:

Rose, Rose, Rose, Rose
Shall I ever see thee wed
Aye, marry that thou shalt
When thou art dead

Cheers, Seiri.

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: 'Rose, Rose' round: More verses?
From: *Laura*
Date: 30 Nov 05 - 06:55 AM

That's roughly the version I know -

Rose rose rose red,
when shall we be wed?
Aye, marry that we shall
when thou art dead

xLx

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: 'Rose, Rose' round: More verses?
From: GUEST,Neko
Date: 31 Dec 05 - 02:13 AM

I learned the following while camping with my troop, the former Troop 282 of the Appalachee Bend in Florida

Little bird, fly away
High up on a mountain-top
On this sad, sad day
On this sad day


Neko

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: 'Rose, Rose' round: More verses?
From: GUEST
Date: 21 Jul 06 - 04:51 PM

The "Love" verse as I learned it went:
Love, love, love, love
Love is the password of the world
Love thy neghbor as thy brother(sister)
Love, love, love

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: 'Rose, Rose' round: More verses?
From: GUEST
Date: 28 Aug 06 - 05:25 PM

this is all of it that i know:

rose rose rose rose
will i ever see thee wed?
i will marry at they will sire
at thy will

hey, ho nobody home
meat nor drink nor money have i none
still i will be merry hey, ho, nobody home

ah poor bird
why art thou
flying in the shadows at this dark hour?

the wind in the willows
crying like a silly savage all the time
the wind, the wind, the wind

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: 'Rose, Rose' round: More verses?
From: GUEST,Melissa
Date: 29 Nov 06 - 12:41 AM

The version I know goes like this:

Rose, Rose, Rose, Rose,
Will I ever see thee wed?
I'll marry at thy will sir,
when thou art dead.

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: 'Rose, Rose' round: More verses?
From: GUEST,Liz
Date: 08 Apr 07 - 09:47 PM

well, by putting together all of the different verses and versions of the versus, I have come up with a story that the rose song may or may not have expressed. It seems to me to be a story about a girl named rose (obviously) who had an affair with what seems to be a soldier. They ended up getting married after the war and had a child, a boy. After child was born rose took ill and passed away.

Here's what I have of the lyrics:

Rose rose rose rose
will I ever see thee wed?
I will marry at thy will sire
if thou but stay

Rose Rose Rose Rose
will you be my lover tonight?
I will love thee at thy will sire,
at thy will

Rose Rose Rose Rose
When shall we meet again?
When the nights are cold and lonely
we shall meet again

peace peace peace peace
wars will end and wars will begin
I shall never fight again
never fight again

what a godly thing
if the children of the earth
could dwell together
in peace

love love love love
christians this is your call
love thy neighbor as thy self
for god loves all

ding dong ding dong
wedding bells on an April morn
carve her name on a moss covered stone
a moss covered stone

hey ho nobody's home
meat nor drink nor money have I
But I'll still be very very merry
hey ho nobody's home

many a moon has waxed and waned
on this day a child is born
what shall be the name of the lad, rose?
name of the lass

come come come come
join us in our happy home
we celebrate our first born son
our first born son

gloom gloom gloom gloom
my rose took ill at the harvest moon
chills and fever torcher her so, lord
why my rose?

ding dong ding dong
funeral bells on a september morn
rose oh rose is dead and gone sire
dead and gone

brother, sister at my head
lay my rose who now is dead
lay her under the moss covered stone
the moss covered stone

At poor bird
why art thou
flying in the shadows
of this dark hour?

up poor bird
take thy flight
high above the sorrows
of this sad night

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: 'Rose, Rose' round: More verses?
From: GUEST,Robin
Date: 23 Sep 07 - 07:10 PM

I learned "Rose" at camp, but have sung this variant in mostly Pagan or activist setttings (ie. peace marches and the like):

Love, love, love, love
people we are made for love
love your neighbor as yourself/thy self/your brother
for we are one

just adding my $.02

peace,
Robin

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: 'Rose, Rose' round: More verses?
From: GUEST,Calidath
Date: 15 Oct 07 - 03:55 PM

I learned this song at a few years back, so I may have it a bit wrong, but I think I learned it like this:

Rose, rose, rose, red,
Will I ever see thee wed?
I will marry at thy will, sir,
At thy will.

Heigh ho, anybody home,
Feed nor drink nor money have I known,
Still I will be marry, married,
Heigh ho, anybody home.

America, America,
Let us tell you how we feel,
You have given us your treasures,
And we love you still.

Ding, Dong, Ding, Dong.
Wedding bells on an Easter morn.
Carve your name on a moss covered stone,
On a moss covered stone.

Oh, poor bird,
Take thy flight,
High above the sorrows
of this sad night.

There were a couple of verses in Hebrew(?) after that.

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: 'Rose, Rose' round: More verses?
From: Melissa
Date: 16 Oct 07 - 04:05 PM

We sang one called "rosen fra fuhn" (which I no doubt spelled wrong) with Rose and Ah, Poor Bird.

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: 'Rose, Rose' round: More verses?
From: GUEST,a 12 year old
Date: 22 Apr 08 - 09:14 PM

rose,rose,rose,rose
shall i ever see the wed
i marry that thy will
if thou but stay

ding dong ding dong
wedding bells on a
september morn
carve your name on a moss
covered stone
moss covered stone

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: 'Rose, Rose' round: More verses?
From: GUEST,Joanna
Date: 10 May 08 - 08:45 AM

Rose Rose Rose Rose
Shall I ever see thee wed?
I will marry at my will, sir
A my will

Ding dong, ding dong
Wedding bells on an April morn
Carve thy name on a moss covered stone,
on a moss covered stone

Father, Mother dig my grave
Dig it with a golden spad
Tell my friends and two turtle doves
That I died for true love.

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: 'Rose, Rose' round: More verses?
From: GUEST,Zoe
Date: 12 Jun 08 - 09:57 PM

A verse I remember from camp goes like this

Ding dong, ding dong
Son of Mary, son of God
I believe that you are my saviour
Lord and my God

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: 'Rose, Rose' round: More verses?
From: GUEST,GUEST, Sirius
Date: 24 Jun 08 - 12:32 AM

My friends and I discovered that this round also works with the Christmas Carol "God rest Ye Merry Gentlemen", and it sounds really pretty

Sirius
   =^.^=

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: 'Rose, Rose' round: More verses?
From: GUEST,GUEST, Lockheart
Date: 24 Jun 08 - 12:36 AM

Someone was talking about a hebrew verse, and while I don't speak hebrew, I know what they're talking about. The tune is different, but maybe someone else could find that. The words basicaly sound like:

Ha shalom lay mahn ha ahmein
Ha ahmein lay mahn ha shalom

Sorry to anyone if I butchered that, I know that translated, these words can be sung to the same melody as above:

Peace shall be for all the world
All the world shall be for peace

This definetly works with all the rounds you guys have been talking about

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: 'Rose, Rose' round: More verses?
From: GUEST,Katherine
Date: 04 Jul 08 - 08:12 AM

I heard a version that I was told had something to do with Tudor propagander, about the untiting of the houses of York and Lancaster.

Rose, rose, rose, red
shall I ever see thee wed?
I shall marry at thy will sire
at thy will

Red rose, White rose
Now unite on Englands throne
We shall have no treason, none sire
Grow rose, grow

It is something like that anyway, and then there are many verses after that I dont know.

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: 'Rose, Rose' round: More verses?
From: GUEST
Date: 06 Sep 09 - 01:46 PM

I learned a variant of these round at summer camp this year though I'm no longer sure of the order it was something like this, (the second being molodic repitition of Zoom gally gally to the tune of rose.

1)         Rose Rose Rose Red
        Shall I ever see the wed
        I will marry at my will sire,
        At my will

2)        Zum gally gally

3)        Hey Ho, Nobody's home
        No meat, no drink
        No money, have I none
        but still I will be very merry

4)        A poor bird
        Why art thou
        Sing in the shadows
        At this dark hour

5)         The wind in the willows
        Sighing like a solitary soul alone
        The wind, the wind, the wind, the wind

6)        Ding Dong, Ding Dong
        Wedding bells on a April morn
        Carve your love on a moss covered stone
        On a moss covered stone

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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: 'Rose, Rose' round: More verses?
From: GUEST,I've got the same words in a different order
Date: 10 Sep 09 - 02:54 PM

Here's what I learned years ago at girl scout camp:

Rose, rose, rose, rose
Will I ever see thee wed?
Carve your name on a moss covered stone
On a moss covered stone

Ding-dong, ding-dong
Wedding bells on a September morning
I will marry at thy will, sire
At thy will

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: 'Rose, Rose' round: More verses?
From: sing4peace
Date: 11 Sep 09 - 07:54 AM

My daughter and I used to sing it this way:

Child, child, child, child
Will I live to see you grow?
I will fight for your future
I love you so. I love you so.

Oh what a goodly thing
for the children of the world
to live together
in peace. In peace.

Love, love, love, love
people we are made for love
love each other as ourselves
for we are one, we are one.

There's a tunnel along the bikepath here where I like to go with friends and sing this round.This round has some of the most haunting harmony I have ever heard.

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: 'Rose, Rose' round: More verses?
From: GUEST,Mandi
Date: 08 Jan 10 - 12:22 AM

Don't forget this one:

What a goodly thing,
if the children of the world,
could dwell together,
in peace.

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: 'Rose, Rose' round: More verses?
From: GUEST
Date: 21 Jan 10 - 09:47 PM

The version I grew up with (which has a slightly different cadence) takes a much darker turn. It describes the perspective of a Medieval girl who is being forced (likely by her father) to marry someone she doesn't love; to avoid this, she kills herself on her wedding day:

Rose, Rose, Rose, Rose
I will live to see thy wed.
I'll be married at MY will, Father,
at my will.

Ding dong, Ding dong,
wedding bells on a September morning.
Carve my name on a moss-covered stone,
on a moss-covered stone.

Mother, Father, dig my grave.
Dig my grave with a golden spade.
Bring my friends and a white turtledove
to show I died for love,
to show I died for love.

-

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: 'Rose, Rose' round: More verses?
From: GUEST,KT
Date: 25 Oct 10 - 09:00 PM

When I went to camp I learned it like this. We started with the "Rose" tune and wnet into "Thou poor bird"

Rose, Rose, Rose, Rose
Shall I ever see thee wed
I shall marry at thy will, Sire
At thy will

Hey ho, nobody home
Meat nor drink nor money have I none
Yet I shall be merry
Hey ho, nobody home

Thou poor bird
Take thy flight
High above the sorrows
Of this dark night.



That's just what I learned, and I have no idea how that song came to that camp, the origin, ect.

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: 'Rose, Rose' round: More verses?
From: GUEST,Aerith
Date: 30 Mar 11 - 05:13 AM

Wow! Another Steven's Ranch-er... but I probably predate you by a few years lol

It's amazing that this song has so many variations, but it's really the same song at the core. That's oral traditions at work right there.

Our version

Rose, Rose, Rose, Rose
Will I ever see thee wed?
I shall marry at thy will, sire
At thy will.

The wind in the willows
Sighs like a solitary soul alone
The wind in the willows
Sighs like a solitary soul alone

Ah poor bird
Take thy flight
Up high above the sorrows of
This sad night.

Hey ho, nobody's home
Meat, nor drink, nor money have I none
But I will still be merry
Hey ho, nobody's home

Ding dong ding dong
Wedding bells on a September morn
Carve thy name on a moss covered stone
A moss covered stone

I always felt it was a story of a girl who was forced into a wedding by her father. Judging by the language, it would be during a time period where an arranged marriage is not rare. This was especially true since the final verse was in the same haunting, heavy melody from the first verse rather than something celebratory. I don't know... I always loved the feeling of singing it. It was one of my favorite campfire songs to teach the girls. This one, Tumbalalaika (woah, no idea how to spell that one) aka the Riddle, and Bah-Na-Nah (no words, just sound with both melody and harmony).

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: 'Rose, Rose' round: More verses?
From: GUEST
Date: 17 Jun 12 - 05:45 PM

At my pre-school, we would sometimes get to a three-part round with:

Oh, what a goodly thing
When the people of the world
All learn to dwell together
I-in peace

I am a poor,
Wayfaring stranger
I have no home,
To call my won

Ah, poor bird
Take they flight
far above the sorrows
of this sad night.

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: 'Rose, Rose' round: More verses?
From: GUEST,GUEST, Harper Rose
Date: 12 Oct 12 - 11:48 AM

Wow, it's so fascinating to see all the variations. This is the way I learned it years ago at girl scout camp, though I've heard a few other verses since then. The first two are the same as others have already said here.

Rose, Rose, Rose, Rose
Will I ever see thee wed?
I will marry at thy will, sire
At thy will

Ding, dong, ding, dong
wedding bells on an April morn
Carve thy name on a moss covered stone
on a moss covered stone

Love, love, love, love
Gospel in a word is love
Love thy neighbor as thy sister
Love, love, love

Peace, peace, peace, peace
Wars will come and wars will cease
When we learn to live together
peace, peace, peace

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: 'Rose, Rose' round: More verses?
From: GUEST
Date: 15 Oct 12 - 04:58 PM

I learned this song at a girls camp many years ago. The version I learned went like this:

Rose, Rose, Rose, Rose,
Will I ever see thee wed,
I will marry at thy will,
sire at thy will

I won't be my father's Jack
I won't be my mother's Jill
I will be a fiddler's wife
and fiddle when I will

Ding Dong, Ding Dong
Wedding bells on an April morn
carve your name on a moss covered stone
on a moss covered stone

hey hoe, nobody's home
eat, nor drink, nor money have I none
still I will be marry
hey hoe hum

oh poor bird,
why art thou
flying in the shadows
at this dark hour

Who can sail when there is no wind
or no oars to be rowing
and who can sail away from friends
with no tears a flowing

I can sail when there is no wind
or no oars to be rowing
but I can't sail away from friends
with no tears a flowing

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: 'Rose, Rose' round: More verses?
From: GUEST,Atlanta
Date: 28 Apr 14 - 10:26 AM

I have just realized that the Rose Rose round I learned in Girl Scouts has essentially the same melody as the Ma Tovu prayer in Hebrew. Charlie Baum's comment - copied below - is the only mention of this I have seen on the internet!
Thank you all for this discussion :-)



Subject: RE:
From: Charlie Baum
Date: 14 Jun 97 - 10:53 PM

The first set of words I ever learned to that tune were in Hebrew:

A transliteration:
Mah tovu, // ohalecha ya'akov, // mishkinotecha yisrael.
("Ch" is fricative as in Scottish "loch")

It translates as:
"How goodly are your tents, O Jacob, your habitations, O Israel."

It is sometimes sung in the synagogue at the very beginning of a service.
--Charlie Baum

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: 'Rose, Rose' round: More verses?
From: GUEST,Hope
Date: 23 Jul 16 - 11:30 PM

I have also heard "buliding bridges" sung as a verse at my Quaker camp. These are allo the verses I remember singing. It goes as a round until everyone is singing 'I love you so much' at the end.

Hey ho nobody home
No meat nor drink nor money have I none
But still I will be merry
Hey ho nobody home

Buliding bridges between our divisions
I reach out to you and you reach out to me
With all of our voices and all of our visions
Friends we can make such a sweet harmony

Rose rose rose rose
Will I ever see thy wed
I will marry at thy will
Rose rose rose rose

Ah poor bird
Take your flight
High above the sorrows
Of this dark night

Dear friend dear friend
Shall I tell you how I feel
You have given me such treasures
I love you so much.

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: 'Rose, Rose' round: More verses?
From: GUEST,Blubb
Date: 03 Nov 17 - 08:27 PM

The last one is german and goes:
"Heyo, spann den Wagen an.
Sieh der Wind treibt Regen ?bers Land.
Hol' die gold'nen Gaben, hol' die gold'nen Gaben."
I can't really translate it word by word because it's old and my English isn't good enough. But it speaks of someone who says to a boy that he should go out and bring the harvest in because rain is coming. I'm sorry if I made mistakes or if this doesn't make sense...

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: 'Rose, Rose' round: More verses?
From: GUEST
Date: 23 Dec 17 - 05:06 AM

the real german version(cuz i saw that the one german version listed here was not quite right.)

theo spann den wagen an
sieh der wind treibt regen übers land
holt die goldnen garben
holt die goldnen garben