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billhudson 09 Oct 09 - 11:23 AM
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Crow Sister (off with the fairies) 09 Oct 09 - 04:32 AM
Genie 08 Oct 09 - 09:15 PM
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Subject: RE: BS: Hate speech sermons - 1st Am.protected?
From: billhudson
Date: 09 Oct 09 - 11:23 AM

Down here in Va. I at times run across these folks..Its seems to be they are always trying to do the hard sell with me.
I have been to Lowes and when I was trying to get out of my truck this guy was trying to save me from the devil, no kidding. I had this old door in the back of the truck and asked him, "you want this door?" and he said "Sure". That changed the subject.
Just the other day I was at a Hardies trying to eat and in the other part of the room there were a few folks that were very loud, I mean loud with Jesus and you could kind of tell they were just looking for a person who was not a believer but I would not take the bait. I made contact with some other folks in the place and some were rolling their eyes. After a while I just had to get out of that place.
I wish I had some way of not hearing these kind of folks but in this part of the county they are all over the place. So when I hear this stuff I always have to ask them if they are Klan, who knows. And they all say the same thing, "No, I am not that bad". I then tell them, "well, you should join up because there is not much difference with what you said and the klan seems to be pushing." They then give me that look that has a look of bewilderment.
But the point is one has to always stand up to this kind of thing.
Still Pickin'
B.H.


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Subject: RE: BS: Hate speech sermons - 1st Am.protected?
From: VirginiaTam
Date: 09 Oct 09 - 10:56 AM

Mrrzy

I am stunned. I lived near and worked in that town for years. I work at LexisNexis for a short stint before moving to the UK.   I spent many a lunch hour perambulating that mall. My daughters were into the Fridays after Five scene, as well as Club 216 and The Dawning at Tokyo Rose. I know my Andie (were she still alive) would be be right there with you to get the buggers out.

The city has reputation for being modern and left which is kind of unusual given its size and location. Maybe it is not so surprising this load of religious squatters has moved in thinking to rack up some afterlife points. Likely would not have been picked up on their radar if not for all the blamed Hollywood types that moved into the area.

Hope the city officials get off the stick soon and move scourge along.


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From: Crow Sister (off with the fairies)
Date: 09 Oct 09 - 04:32 AM

I see Genie, so these guys some mysterious magical how, know exactly what the err 'True' Jesus said? That'll be a *different* "Jesus" then to the one everyone else knows - including all the apostles, mystics and saints and stuff? Shee'sh makes one wonder exactly who *their* true "Jesus" actually is? And precisely who it is that they have been chatting with? Sounds like some dangerous imp of Satan's been whispering evil things into the corrupt and blackened places of their heart to me!

So they're not only into Black-Magic, but they're also Heretics! Well that's a case of extra double damnation I reckon!
Corr, make a great TV show for the states wouldn't it? "Double DamnAAAAAshon!" What with the availability of modern media these days and all (we're no longer in the Dark-Ages now, this is the Twenty-First Century after all!), why not spice up those public heretical preacher torturings & witch-burnings in true American style and let everyone enjoy the spectacle from the comfort of their own home.. ;-)

In tandem with the show, we could probably even get Mattel to put out an action figure line for kids. Each one with a pull chord that say's stuff like "Save me Looord ...Aghhhhh" "I repent, I repent", "I confess my sins, I heart the evil one" (this one would be on a rack or something.) and so-on. So many possibilities.
Of course the fire hazard issue, might be a problem with younger children.


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Subject: RE: BS: Hate speech sermons - 1st Am.protected?
From: Genie
Date: 08 Oct 09 - 09:15 PM

Crow Sister, there is now a fairly visible group of so-called "conservative Christians" that are set on "re-translating" the Bible to rid it of all those pesky liberal-sounding passages (e.g., the sermon on the mount and that stuff about going the extra mile or feeding the hungry and clothing the naked).   That story about Jesus stopping the stoning of the woman "taken in adultery" by saying "Let him who is without sin cast the first stone?" Gone. The true Jesus wouldn't have said that or "Judge not lest ye be judged." In fact, he didn't consider women equal to men, either, so anywhere the Bible refers to "people" or "person" or "parent" it will be changed to "men" or "man" or "father." (Never mind if the original Aramaic or Greek or Hebrew word meant "human" rather than just "male human.")    Their aim is to replace such "socialist-sounding" versions as The King James version with this new "Politically Correct" Conservative "translation."

Won't that be wonderful?

They'll probably quote Psalm 137: 8-9 a lot.


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From: GUEST,Mrrzy chez un copain
Date: 08 Oct 09 - 08:00 PM

Hi, thqanks for reviving this thread. Since then, we have 4 other religious groups on the Mall, inclusing some that dress as paramedics with a red cross and everything, and promis eto heal through prayer. I wish I could get them all off public property... or at least the properties I enjoy, ha ha!


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Subject: RE: BS: Hate speech sermons - 1st Am.protected?
From: Donuel
Date: 08 Oct 09 - 03:26 PM

Yep its protected and tax free.

Just remember that it takes a civil and secular goverment to provide freedom for religion and freedom from religion.

A religious goverment would provide for their own and claim god as their reason for everything, irregardless of pesky facts and science.


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Subject: RE: BS: Hate speech sermons - 1st Am.protected?
From: SINSULL
Date: 08 Oct 09 - 01:49 PM

http://www.redorbit.com/news/general/34475/preacher_found_guilty_of_preaching_loud/index.html

A GOOGLE Search on loud preaching turned up several instances of arrests. Might be worth talking to the local police chief about noise ordinances.


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From: Crow Sister (off with the fairies)
Date: 07 Oct 09 - 04:21 PM

Isn't 'praying' to God and his Angels to harm, hurt or destroy people err kinda completely frigging exactly identical in every way to so-called 'Black-Magic' or 'Witchcraft' (not modern Wicca - I mean some of the old folk-magic stuff). In other words they are CURSING people.

If *I* called upon greater spiritual powers directly in order to fuel my personal malevolent will to cause harm against others, surely that'd be identical to 'black-magic'. Bearing in mind of course, that much early Witchcraft and Cursing, did use Christ and the Saints in exactly that same dark malevolent way.

Those early witches got burned for their witchcraft herecies. As such surely Preachers should suffer a double damnation?

I can only hope that their own "Lord" thoroughly Napalms them for corrupting and defiling the True Word of Christ (well, he seemed such a sound compassionate Buddhist Geezer if you actually listen to what he say's..)


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Subject: RE: BS: Hate speech sermons - 1st Am.protected?
From: CarolC
Date: 07 Oct 09 - 03:58 PM

No, I don't think they would be too much at all.


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Subject: RE: BS: Hate speech sermons - 1st Am.protected?
From: gnu
Date: 07 Oct 09 - 03:06 PM

Rhan too.... much?


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Subject: RE: BS: Hate speech sermons - 1st Am.protected?
From: Peace
Date: 06 Oct 09 - 10:30 PM

Great idea, Carol. BUT, leaven the orchestra with banjos. Sing

"What a friend we have in Jesus,
Christ Almighty what a pal . . . "


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Subject: RE: BS: Hate speech sermons - 1st Am.protected?
From: CarolC
Date: 06 Oct 09 - 10:00 PM

In reference to the problem in the original post, I think the solution would be to get together as large a number of people as possible for an accordion orchestra and play some rousing numbers right there in front of the shouters until they go away. I think that would be very effective. The members of the orchestra wouldn't even have to be very good accordion players. Just enthusiastic ones.


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Subject: RE: BS: Hate speech sermons - 1st Am.protected?
From: Genie
Date: 06 Oct 09 - 08:19 PM

This issue came up on several talk radio shows today. Not sure if the SCOTUS is going to be considering a case relevant to this issue, but there seem to be some highly vocal and highly visible (via media attention) 'conservative' (far right) 'clergy' praying from the pulpit for the extermination of those who don't share their political and/or religious views: e.g., Mikey Weinstein, Rev. Barry Lynn, Barack Obama, etc.
Click for info from Chris Rodda's blog at Daily Kos or just google "Americans United" (Barry Lynn) or "Mikey Weinstein" and Klingenschmitt.

Here is the prayer thatSaturday 25 Apr 09 One-Minute Prayer:

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IMPRECATORY PRAYERS AGAINST ANTI-JESUS BARRY LYNN AND MIKEY WEINSTEIN

"Let us pray. Almighty God, today we pray imprecatory prayers from Psalm 109 against the enemies of religious liberty, including Barry Lynn and Mikey Weinstein, who issued press releases this week attacking me personally. God, do not remain silent, for wicked men surround us and tell lies about us. We bless them, but they curse us. Therefore find them guilty, not me. Let their days be few, and replace them with Godly people. Plunder their fields, and seize their assets. Cut off their descendants, and remember their sins, in Jesus' name. Amen."
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I suppose there's no law against asking God to smite whomever you would like to be done with. But should such speech be subsidized (via tax exemptions) as religious activity?


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Subject: RE: BS: Hate speech sermons - 1st Am.protected?
From: Mrrzy
Date: 22 Sep 08 - 09:07 PM

LOVE that Crazy Train thing! Wish I'd read it earlier...


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Subject: RE: BS: Hate speech sermons - 1st Am.protected?
From: Stringsinger
Date: 22 Sep 08 - 06:01 PM

these evangelists might be hollering fire in a crowded theater.

Depends on what happens.


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Subject: RE: BS: Hate speech sermons - 1st Am.protected?
From: Mrrzy
Date: 21 Sep 08 - 07:25 PM

Well, I am certainly having fun with it! But am still waiting to hear from the ACLU...


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Subject: RE: BS: Hate speech sermons - 1st Am.protected?
From: M.Ted
Date: 19 Sep 08 - 10:57 AM

Seems like if they can make speeches, you can make speeches too. Why let them shunt you over to the sidelines for a one-on-one conversation when you can speak to the assembled multitudes?

Personally, I think people are entitled to believe what they want, without some clown getting in their face about it. I consider standing on a street corner and yelling to be getting in my face.

The point that I make is that the song says "They'll know we are christians by our love" -I don't hear love, I hear hate and fear, and that tells me who you really are. You have your own points--stand up and tell them to the world.

You're a teacher, you can talk to a group--you should do it. Encourage others to do it, as well. The police will let you do it, and if they don't, you've got your legal case. The Hell-Fire people will have to let you speak based on the same grounds that they are let to speak, and if they don't you've got you legal case.


Get a sympathetic lawyer, get a sound recorder, and have fun with it.


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Subject: RE: BS: Hate speech sermons - 1st Am.protected?
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 19 Sep 08 - 03:01 AM

The Crazy Train Response.


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Subject: RE: BS: Hate speech sermons - 1st Am.protected?
From: katlaughing
Date: 18 Sep 08 - 01:02 PM

Great song, Wesley! I've added the link to the "Found on CDBaby" thread. Thanks!


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Subject: RE: BS: Hate speech sermons - 1st Am.protected?
From: Wesley S
Date: 18 Sep 08 - 12:06 PM

You can find a snippet of it at CD Baby


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Subject: RE: BS: Hate speech sermons - 1st Am.protected?
From: Mrrzy
Date: 18 Sep 08 - 11:38 AM

Ooh, great song! What's the tune?


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Subject: RE: BS: Hate speech sermons - 1st Am.protected?
From: Wesley S
Date: 18 Sep 08 - 09:07 AM

Here's a great song by Susan Werner from her "Gospel Truth" CD. Gospel music for agnostics.

"(Why is your) heaven so small"


excuse me sir, what did you say?
when you shout so loud, it's hard to tell
you say that i must change my ways
for i am surely bound to hell

well i know you'd damn me if you could
but my friend, that's simply not your call
if god is great and god is good
why is your heaven so small

you say you know you say you've read
that holy bible up on your shelf
do you recall when jesus said
judge not, lest ye be judged yourself

for i know you'd damn me if you could
but my friend, that's simply not your call
if god is great, and god is good
why is your heaven so small

with your fists that shake, and your eyes that burn
what makes you do these things you do?
i would not be surprised to learn
someone somewhere excluded you

but my friend, imagine it if you would
a love much mightier than us all
o if god is great and god is good
why is your heaven
so small


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Subject: RE: BS: Hate speech sermons - 1st Am.protected?
From: katlaughing
Date: 18 Sep 08 - 12:43 AM

You could put up signs that say, "God loves you, even if you are full of hate." Or, "Love the hate, not the hater." *being sarcastic there*


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Subject: RE: BS: Hate speech sermons - 1st Am.protected?
From: Peace
Date: 18 Sep 08 - 12:42 AM

Reminds me of the guy in the South (likely not a true story) who beat his opponent by letting the town folk know that his opponent was a latent heterosexual.


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Subject: RE: BS: Hate speech sermons - 1st Am.protected?
From: Bert
Date: 18 Sep 08 - 12:36 AM

How about singing a few satirical songs about them?


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Subject: RE: BS: Hate speech sermons - 1st Am.protected?
From: GUEST,heric
Date: 17 Sep 08 - 08:40 PM

I have it. You need a professional mime.


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Subject: RE: BS: Hate speech sermons - 1st Am.protected?
From: Mrrzy
Date: 17 Sep 08 - 07:18 PM

They already HAVE the audience. My duty lies in not allowing them (the evangenitals) to be taken for anything other than a floor show. Once I got there late and people were really paying attention... that was the time we got so numerous that the cops had to tell them to move for blocking the public way.


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Subject: RE: BS: Hate speech sermons - 1st Am.protected?
From: Wesley S
Date: 17 Sep 08 - 01:11 PM

If they were ignored they would go away. They want an audience. Don't give it to them.


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Subject: RE: BS: Hate speech sermons - 1st Am.protected?
From: Stringsinger
Date: 17 Sep 08 - 01:02 PM

ignore them unless they really get into your face. Then call the police. If that doesn't work,
institute a law suit against their organization and take it all the way.

According to the Constitution, you are protected under the First Amendment and this
is a legal recourse for you. The ACLU will be happy to consider your case if it goes that far.


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Subject: RE: BS: Hate speech sermons - 1st Am.protected?
From: Donuel
Date: 16 Sep 08 - 04:05 PM

Offer them nice cold water bottles as a gift from a fellow patriot who admires people who go out and do God's work.

The ingredients are up to you.


Didn't the Hale Bopp Comet christian cult actually castrate themselves before commiting suicide?


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Subject: RE: BS: Hate speech sermons - 1st Am.protected?
From: Mrrzy
Date: 16 Sep 08 - 12:37 PM

I don't yell, but I point out contradictions, loudly.

We did have someone who stood in front of them and repeated everything they said, substituting "the hale-bopp comet" for "god" - which was pretty funny...

We have good one-on-one conversations but it's usually one of the plebes who tries to get me away from the shouter so that he (the shouters are always men) can keep preaching their bigotry while I am kept busy...


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Subject: RE: BS: Hate speech sermons - 1st Am.protected?
From: M.Ted
Date: 15 Sep 08 - 10:40 PM

It is counterproductive to yell at them, or pull any of the silly pranks that it seems like they deserve. They are there to provoke a confrontation with a group of stereotypes that they carry around in their heads, and that plays into their hands.

The real and effective way to deal with them is to simply talk to them like they are real people, and show them that you are real people, too. It can bring the posing and posturing to a quick halt.

I have had occasion to work this little bit of magic on extremely hostile crowds--you just stand tall and take a " Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death.." attitude, and bingo! you've got them eating out of your hand. I've only had to run for cover a couple times;-)


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From: GUEST,Jack the Sailor
Date: 15 Sep 08 - 05:55 PM

Complain to the city council and the chamber of commerce.


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From: Rapparee
Date: 15 Sep 08 - 05:50 PM

Stand by them with a sign that says, "Potential Child Molesters".

You don't say that they ARE....


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From: Donuel
Date: 15 Sep 08 - 04:30 PM

I might make a big sign that had an arrow and said

" i believe
THESE PEOPLE WERE ALL FORMERLY GAY
but the old one still is"

If they touched me or the sign it would be video taped and battery assault charges would be filed.


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Subject: RE: BS: Hate speech sermons - 1st Am.protected?
From: frogprince
Date: 15 Sep 08 - 04:03 PM

You can't go abolishing that kind of hatefulness...




It would be the end of civilization as we know it!


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Subject: RE: BS: Hate speech sermons - 1st Am.protected?
From: Donuel
Date: 15 Sep 08 - 03:58 PM

Without hate where would you be now?


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From: heric
Date: 15 Sep 08 - 03:55 PM

I'm guessing these people are virtually unembarrassable (nice word, eh?)

Finding a way to beat them at their own game would be such a joy. I don't know how you would pull it off exactly, but if it involved some kind of scene that threw them off balance, not with confrontation . . .   


(I still keep envisioning a Presbyterian or Methodist minister, somehow. Leading prayer sessions or something right next to them??)


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Subject: RE: BS: Hate speech sermons - 1st Am.protected?
From: Mrrzy
Date: 15 Sep 08 - 03:40 PM

Um, why? To see if they could "heal" me?


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Subject: RE: BS: Hate speech sermons - 1st Am.protected?
From: heric
Date: 14 Sep 08 - 10:51 PM

Have you considered faking a seizure or a heart attack?

There you go. This is the path of creativity that has a chance.


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Subject: RE: BS: Hate speech sermons - 1st Am.protected?
From: Genie
Date: 14 Sep 08 - 10:41 PM

I should perhaps expound - being a card-carrying "liberal" and all.

The concept of "hate crimes" concerns me, precisely because it verges on "thought crime."
Yes, if there is an organized effort to attack or suppress some group, that goes beyond the individual crimes. E.g., a lynching by the KKK has more far-reaching implications than does a garden-variety murder.   But there are other laws (conspiracy laws, racketeering laws, etc.) that can be brought into play in such cases.   It's absurd that if I spray paint my neighbors' house because they're gay and I'm homophobic it should be a more serious offense than if I had spray painted their house because their music is too loud at parties or their dog keeps me awake at night.   That's punishing the thought, not the crime.


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Subject: RE: BS: Hate speech sermons - 1st Am.protected?
From: Peace
Date: 14 Sep 08 - 10:38 PM

Have you considered faking a seizure or a heart attack?


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Subject: RE: BS: Hate speech sermons - 1st Am.protected?
From: Genie
Date: 14 Sep 08 - 10:35 PM

Perzactly, pdq.


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From: Rapparee
Date: 14 Sep 08 - 10:12 PM

Get a couple friends and start counter-preaching in "tongues." It doesn't matter what gibberish you're spewing, just do it loudly and wave a Bible around.

Then quote 1 Corinthians 13:1-13:

1        Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal.
2         And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing.
3         And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned, and have not charity, it profiteth me nothing.
4         Charity suffereth long, and is kind; charity envieth not; charity vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up,
5         doth not behave itself unseemly, seeketh not her own, is not easily provoked, thinketh no evil;
6         rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth in the truth;
7         beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things.
8         Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away.
9         For we know in part, and we prophesy in part.
10         But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away.
11         When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things.
12         For now we see through a glass, darkly, but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.
13         And now abideth faith, hope, charity, these three; but the greatest of these is charity.


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Subject: RE: BS: Hate speech sermons - 1st Am.protected?
From: pdq
Date: 14 Sep 08 - 10:10 PM

"But I don't think the content of the "speech" or the type of noisemaker (vocal, instrumental, poetic, prosaic) should be the criterion."

Basically, that is the essence of the First Amendment to the US Comstitution. It is called "freedom of speech", and if you want it, you must respect other people's right to have it too.


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Subject: RE: BS: Hate speech sermons - 1st Am.protected?
From: Genie
Date: 14 Sep 08 - 09:46 PM

What's said is that here in Portland (OR) - and probably in some other towns - there's an anti-busking ordinance that prohibits playing a musical instrument in the downtown area if it/you can be heard 50 ft. away.   Meanwhile, a loud-mouthed "preacher" can bellow with enough decibels to be heard 3 times that far, with impunity.

Yes, if there are complaints, the "disturbing the peace" or "creating a public nuisance" laws can be enforced against the vocal ranters, too.   And they probably should be against the loud busker too, if the music's drawing a crowd that blocks the sidewalk or interferes with local businesses.   But I don't think the content of the "speech" or the type of noisemaker (vocal, instrumental, poetic, prosaic) should be the criterion.


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Subject: RE: BS: Hate speech sermons - 1st Am.protected?
From: Peace
Date: 14 Sep 08 - 07:20 PM

Have you considered wearing a cross upside down and approaching them while speaking in tongues? If that doesn't work, just tell them you have a really infectious STI and would they please bless your reproductive organs.


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Subject: RE: BS: Hate speech sermons - 1st Am.protected?
From: GUEST,Mrr
Date: 14 Sep 08 - 07:06 PM

Yes, local merchants dislike them, but I doubt they've actually complained, that wouldn't be good PR in all likelihood...

ACLU? Should I try them?


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Subject: RE: BS: Hate speech sermons - 1st Am.protected?
From: Bee
Date: 12 Sep 08 - 09:43 AM

Around here, a case for disturbing the peace could likely be made. By 'pedestrian mall', do you mean a section of street which is offlimits to traffic and has stores, bars, businesses opening onto it, or is it something else? I would think if the business owners could complain that they were obstructing or otherwise interfering with the lawful carrying out of normal business - shopping, etc. - they could be ejected forthwith.


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Subject: RE: BS: Hate speech sermons - 1st Am.protected?
From: katlaughing
Date: 11 Sep 08 - 11:29 PM

October 13 and it will be eight years since Matthew was murdered and we still have this kind of crap going on. *shaking head*


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