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Subject: RE: BS: Hate speech sermons - 1st Am.protected? From: Wesley S Date: 18 Sep 08 - 12:06 PM You can find a snippet of it at CD Baby |
Subject: RE: BS: Hate speech sermons - 1st Am.protected? From: katlaughing Date: 18 Sep 08 - 01:02 PM Great song, Wesley! I've added the link to the "Found on CDBaby" thread. Thanks! |
Subject: RE: BS: Hate speech sermons - 1st Am.protected? From: The Fooles Troupe Date: 19 Sep 08 - 03:01 AM The Crazy Train Response. |
Subject: RE: BS: Hate speech sermons - 1st Am.protected? From: M.Ted Date: 19 Sep 08 - 10:57 AM Seems like if they can make speeches, you can make speeches too. Why let them shunt you over to the sidelines for a one-on-one conversation when you can speak to the assembled multitudes? Personally, I think people are entitled to believe what they want, without some clown getting in their face about it. I consider standing on a street corner and yelling to be getting in my face. The point that I make is that the song says "They'll know we are christians by our love" -I don't hear love, I hear hate and fear, and that tells me who you really are. You have your own points--stand up and tell them to the world. You're a teacher, you can talk to a group--you should do it. Encourage others to do it, as well. The police will let you do it, and if they don't, you've got your legal case. The Hell-Fire people will have to let you speak based on the same grounds that they are let to speak, and if they don't you've got you legal case. Get a sympathetic lawyer, get a sound recorder, and have fun with it. |
Subject: RE: BS: Hate speech sermons - 1st Am.protected? From: Mrrzy Date: 21 Sep 08 - 07:25 PM Well, I am certainly having fun with it! But am still waiting to hear from the ACLU... |
Subject: RE: BS: Hate speech sermons - 1st Am.protected? From: Stringsinger Date: 22 Sep 08 - 06:01 PM these evangelists might be hollering fire in a crowded theater. Depends on what happens. |
Subject: RE: BS: Hate speech sermons - 1st Am.protected? From: Mrrzy Date: 22 Sep 08 - 09:07 PM LOVE that Crazy Train thing! Wish I'd read it earlier... |
Subject: RE: BS: Hate speech sermons - 1st Am.protected? From: Genie Date: 06 Oct 09 - 08:19 PM This issue came up on several talk radio shows today. Not sure if the SCOTUS is going to be considering a case relevant to this issue, but there seem to be some highly vocal and highly visible (via media attention) 'conservative' (far right) 'clergy' praying from the pulpit for the extermination of those who don't share their political and/or religious views: e.g., Mikey Weinstein, Rev. Barry Lynn, Barack Obama, etc. Click for info from Chris Rodda's blog at Daily Kos or just google "Americans United" (Barry Lynn) or "Mikey Weinstein" and Klingenschmitt. Here is the prayer thatSaturday 25 Apr 09 One-Minute Prayer: -------- IMPRECATORY PRAYERS AGAINST ANTI-JESUS BARRY LYNN AND MIKEY WEINSTEIN "Let us pray. Almighty God, today we pray imprecatory prayers from Psalm 109 against the enemies of religious liberty, including Barry Lynn and Mikey Weinstein, who issued press releases this week attacking me personally. God, do not remain silent, for wicked men surround us and tell lies about us. We bless them, but they curse us. Therefore find them guilty, not me. Let their days be few, and replace them with Godly people. Plunder their fields, and seize their assets. Cut off their descendants, and remember their sins, in Jesus' name. Amen." ---------- I suppose there's no law against asking God to smite whomever you would like to be done with. But should such speech be subsidized (via tax exemptions) as religious activity? |
Subject: RE: BS: Hate speech sermons - 1st Am.protected? From: CarolC Date: 06 Oct 09 - 10:00 PM In reference to the problem in the original post, I think the solution would be to get together as large a number of people as possible for an accordion orchestra and play some rousing numbers right there in front of the shouters until they go away. I think that would be very effective. The members of the orchestra wouldn't even have to be very good accordion players. Just enthusiastic ones. |
Subject: RE: BS: Hate speech sermons - 1st Am.protected? From: Peace Date: 06 Oct 09 - 10:30 PM Great idea, Carol. BUT, leaven the orchestra with banjos. Sing "What a friend we have in Jesus, Christ Almighty what a pal . . . " |
Subject: RE: BS: Hate speech sermons - 1st Am.protected? From: gnu Date: 07 Oct 09 - 03:06 PM Rhan too.... much? |
Subject: RE: BS: Hate speech sermons - 1st Am.protected? From: CarolC Date: 07 Oct 09 - 03:58 PM No, I don't think they would be too much at all. |
Subject: RE: BS: Hate speech sermons - 1st Am.protected? From: Crow Sister (off with the fairies) Date: 07 Oct 09 - 04:21 PM Isn't 'praying' to God and his Angels to harm, hurt or destroy people err kinda completely frigging exactly identical in every way to so-called 'Black-Magic' or 'Witchcraft' (not modern Wicca - I mean some of the old folk-magic stuff). In other words they are CURSING people. If *I* called upon greater spiritual powers directly in order to fuel my personal malevolent will to cause harm against others, surely that'd be identical to 'black-magic'. Bearing in mind of course, that much early Witchcraft and Cursing, did use Christ and the Saints in exactly that same dark malevolent way. Those early witches got burned for their witchcraft herecies. As such surely Preachers should suffer a double damnation? I can only hope that their own "Lord" thoroughly Napalms them for corrupting and defiling the True Word of Christ (well, he seemed such a sound compassionate Buddhist Geezer if you actually listen to what he say's..) |
Subject: RE: BS: Hate speech sermons - 1st Am.protected? From: SINSULL Date: 08 Oct 09 - 01:49 PM http://www.redorbit.com/news/general/34475/preacher_found_guilty_of_preaching_loud/index.html A GOOGLE Search on loud preaching turned up several instances of arrests. Might be worth talking to the local police chief about noise ordinances. |
Subject: RE: BS: Hate speech sermons - 1st Am.protected? From: Donuel Date: 08 Oct 09 - 03:26 PM Yep its protected and tax free. Just remember that it takes a civil and secular goverment to provide freedom for religion and freedom from religion. A religious goverment would provide for their own and claim god as their reason for everything, irregardless of pesky facts and science. |
Subject: RE: BS: Hate speech sermons - 1st Am.protected? From: GUEST,Mrrzy chez un copain Date: 08 Oct 09 - 08:00 PM Hi, thqanks for reviving this thread. Since then, we have 4 other religious groups on the Mall, inclusing some that dress as paramedics with a red cross and everything, and promis eto heal through prayer. I wish I could get them all off public property... or at least the properties I enjoy, ha ha! |
Subject: RE: BS: Hate speech sermons - 1st Am.protected? From: Genie Date: 08 Oct 09 - 09:15 PM Crow Sister, there is now a fairly visible group of so-called "conservative Christians" that are set on "re-translating" the Bible to rid it of all those pesky liberal-sounding passages (e.g., the sermon on the mount and that stuff about going the extra mile or feeding the hungry and clothing the naked). That story about Jesus stopping the stoning of the woman "taken in adultery" by saying "Let him who is without sin cast the first stone?" Gone. The true Jesus wouldn't have said that or "Judge not lest ye be judged." In fact, he didn't consider women equal to men, either, so anywhere the Bible refers to "people" or "person" or "parent" it will be changed to "men" or "man" or "father." (Never mind if the original Aramaic or Greek or Hebrew word meant "human" rather than just "male human.") Their aim is to replace such "socialist-sounding" versions as The King James version with this new "Politically Correct" Conservative "translation." Won't that be wonderful? They'll probably quote Psalm 137: 8-9 a lot. |
Subject: RE: BS: Hate speech sermons - 1st Am.protected? From: Crow Sister (off with the fairies) Date: 09 Oct 09 - 04:32 AM I see Genie, so these guys some mysterious magical how, know exactly what the err 'True' Jesus said? That'll be a *different* "Jesus" then to the one everyone else knows - including all the apostles, mystics and saints and stuff? Shee'sh makes one wonder exactly who *their* true "Jesus" actually is? And precisely who it is that they have been chatting with? Sounds like some dangerous imp of Satan's been whispering evil things into the corrupt and blackened places of their heart to me! So they're not only into Black-Magic, but they're also Heretics! Well that's a case of extra double damnation I reckon! Corr, make a great TV show for the states wouldn't it? "Double DamnAAAAAshon!" What with the availability of modern media these days and all (we're no longer in the Dark-Ages now, this is the Twenty-First Century after all!), why not spice up those public heretical preacher torturings & witch-burnings in true American style and let everyone enjoy the spectacle from the comfort of their own home.. ;-) In tandem with the show, we could probably even get Mattel to put out an action figure line for kids. Each one with a pull chord that say's stuff like "Save me Looord ...Aghhhhh" "I repent, I repent", "I confess my sins, I heart the evil one" (this one would be on a rack or something.) and so-on. So many possibilities. Of course the fire hazard issue, might be a problem with younger children. |
Subject: RE: BS: Hate speech sermons - 1st Am.protected? From: VirginiaTam Date: 09 Oct 09 - 10:56 AM Mrrzy I am stunned. I lived near and worked in that town for years. I work at LexisNexis for a short stint before moving to the UK. I spent many a lunch hour perambulating that mall. My daughters were into the Fridays after Five scene, as well as Club 216 and The Dawning at Tokyo Rose. I know my Andie (were she still alive) would be be right there with you to get the buggers out. The city has reputation for being modern and left which is kind of unusual given its size and location. Maybe it is not so surprising this load of religious squatters has moved in thinking to rack up some afterlife points. Likely would not have been picked up on their radar if not for all the blamed Hollywood types that moved into the area. Hope the city officials get off the stick soon and move scourge along. |
Subject: RE: BS: Hate speech sermons - 1st Am.protected? From: billhudson Date: 09 Oct 09 - 11:23 AM Down here in Va. I at times run across these folks..Its seems to be they are always trying to do the hard sell with me. I have been to Lowes and when I was trying to get out of my truck this guy was trying to save me from the devil, no kidding. I had this old door in the back of the truck and asked him, "you want this door?" and he said "Sure". That changed the subject. Just the other day I was at a Hardies trying to eat and in the other part of the room there were a few folks that were very loud, I mean loud with Jesus and you could kind of tell they were just looking for a person who was not a believer but I would not take the bait. I made contact with some other folks in the place and some were rolling their eyes. After a while I just had to get out of that place. I wish I had some way of not hearing these kind of folks but in this part of the county they are all over the place. So when I hear this stuff I always have to ask them if they are Klan, who knows. And they all say the same thing, "No, I am not that bad". I then tell them, "well, you should join up because there is not much difference with what you said and the klan seems to be pushing." They then give me that look that has a look of bewilderment. But the point is one has to always stand up to this kind of thing. Still Pickin' B.H. |