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BS: Those Mets.

lefthanded guitar 17 Sep 08 - 07:53 PM
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Rapparee 18 Sep 08 - 02:45 PM
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Subject: BS: Those Mets.
From: lefthanded guitar
Date: 17 Sep 08 - 07:53 PM

I have been a Mets fan since 1986. That's over 20 years of misery. I mean, there are bad marriages that don't last that long, right?

After last year's abysmal free fall, I decided I would give them ONE more chance to prove themselves. Okay, they had the sense to get a new manager. But here they go again. Snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. I've just about had it. I don't even care if they win, it's just too grueling to watch them.

Should we Mets fans just once and for all go on strike? Are they worth the bother? How much loyalty do they deserve? I've been hearing 'just wait til next year' for more than two decades. Maybe it's time to stop saying Letsgomets and just LET GO of the METS. I just can't stand it anymore.


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Subject: RE: BS: Those Mets.
From: pdq
Date: 17 Sep 08 - 07:57 PM

Find a copy of Steve Goodman's "Dying Cub Fan's Last Request". You will realize you are not alone.


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Subject: RE: BS: Those Mets.
From: Pseudolus
Date: 18 Sep 08 - 02:02 PM

The good news for Mets fans is that the Brewers and Astros are both in free falls. I suspect that both the Phils and the Mets will get to the post season, unless the Brewers can turn something around. I know they're only a half game out in the Wild Card but they are fading fast...

Frank


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Subject: RE: BS: Those Mets.
From: John on the Sunset Coast
Date: 18 Sep 08 - 02:23 PM

It may be 'those' Mets to you, but it's 'them' Dodgers to me.

Grammar means nothing to real baseball fans!


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Subject: RE: BS: Those Mets.
From: Rapparee
Date: 18 Sep 08 - 02:45 PM

Cubs.


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Subject: RE: BS: Those Mets.
From: SINSULL
Date: 18 Sep 08 - 02:48 PM

METS and Mookie Wilson

Guitar - you are a fair weather fan. Look how long the idiotic Red Sox fans waited.


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Subject: RE: BS: Those Mets.
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 18 Sep 08 - 02:58 PM

I've been a Mets fans since their inception in 1962 when I was a wee lad. A Mets fan will never go on strike or wear a bag over the head. A Mets fan suffers with dignity, unlike the cheap display that Red Sox and Cubs fan put on. You do not hear a Met fan complainging "oh woe is me".   2007 was a rare occurance - we are either long out of playoff contention or pulling off miracles.

Have patience. Shea Stadium still has one last party to throw.


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Subject: RE: BS: Those Mets.
From: SINSULL
Date: 18 Sep 08 - 03:18 PM

I thought we were getting a new stadium? Shea is a mess. And ugly besides.


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Subject: RE: BS: Those Mets.
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 18 Sep 08 - 03:37 PM

We are getting a new stadium, that is why I said that Shea has one LAST party to throw!

I have very mixed feelings. I do not feel that Shea is "ugly" or a "mess". It is a stadium that has simply aged and newer facilities have made people jealous. Some of my fondest memories will forever be tied to Shea Stadium. I have held a Saturday season ticket plan since 1983 - the same seats slightly to the third base side near home plate in the loge. That particular view will never fade. I've actually purchased the seats and will they will sit in my den.   A few year ago, I could not attend a game and gave the tickets to a friend. She ended up meeting a guy in the seats next to mine and the two are now married!   So, there is a special fondness about Shea Stadium that no one will take away.

With that said, CitiField looks very nice and I think it will be a great stadium.    A church is not a building and a baseball team is not a stadium.

Let's go Mets. Party in October at Shea.


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Subject: RE: BS: Those Mets.
From: PoppaGator
Date: 18 Sep 08 - 04:46 PM

I've been a Mets fan since Day One, too, having grown up in north-central New Jersey. I was originally a New York Giant fan, and continued rooting for the team after they moved to San Francisco and until (and even for a while after) the birth of the Mets.

Back during the Mets' first year or so, someone famously commented "I've been a Mets fan all my life!" My dad and I knew exactly what he meant, although to really understand, I suppose "you hadda be there."

All of us early Mets fans, or at least most of us, had histories as Giant or Dodger fans. Some of the Dodger fans and virtually all the Giant fans were still fond of the teams that had left. We were able to follow the hapless new local team without "needing" them to win, because we had our other, prior, team to root for with high expectations. (Both California teams were pretty good in those early years right after the move; the Giants, in particular, were suddenly greatly improved over their final New York years. The Dodgers weren't bad, either.)

I find it strange to be nostalgic about Shea, having attended games at the Polo Grounds before Shea was built, and then moving away from NJ-NY in '65 ~ Shea will always be "the new stadium" to me.

I have a 29-year-old son who was raised as a Mets fan despite living in New Orleans for his first 23-24 years. (We did make a trip to grandma and grandpa's house in New Jersey every couple of years, but that was the extent of our kid's experience of metro New York.) He now lives in Brooklyn and works in Manhattan, persuing a career in comedy, and he's a bigger Mets fan now than I ever was.

Last time I heard from, a little over a week ago, he called on his cell FROM SHEA! (The Mets were leading at the time, in a game they eventually lost ~ surprised?)

By the way: I was very saddened to see Fernando Tatis sustain that season-ending injury night before last. What a great story! The guy's career was over, prematurely, after a (very) few good years as a young player. This spring, he comes out of retirement in order to make some money for the church he just built in the Dominican. He started the season with the Triple-A New Orelans Zephyrs; I suppose even Triple-A money is more than he could make back home in any non-ballplayer job.

Suddenly Moises Alou gets hurt, Tatis gets called up to the big leagues, and has a great year. If not for this week's injury, he may well have been on the way to a real storybook ending in the postseason. But that, apparently, was never to be. Oh well; it's all part of the Mets mystique.


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Subject: RE: BS: Those Mets.
From: Paul Burke
Date: 19 Sep 08 - 04:05 AM

I'm not an enthusiastic supporter of the Metropolitan Police, necessary though they are. They've gone downhill since Sergeant Dixon left.


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Subject: RE: BS: Those Mets.
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 19 Sep 08 - 09:35 AM

Sergeant Dixon? WTF?   Was he called up for a cup of coffee around 75 and played a litte shortstop?   I don't remember the cops being involved, some sort of altercation like the Houston disco incident in '86 perhaps??


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Subject: RE: BS: Those Mets.
From: Pseudolus
Date: 19 Sep 08 - 02:24 PM

It's gonna be an interesting week+ to finish the season. It still looks to me that the Mets and Phils will both make the playoffs but who will be the division winner? The Phils are hot and Pat Burrell woke up and got healthy last night with a two hit game including a home run. The problem is they face a Marlins team that offensively is arguably the hottest team in baseball. They are only five out of the wildcard and must be thinking that a sweep at home against the Phils would put them right in the hunt with a week to go. The Mets have to survive a 4 game series with the Cubs who have been one of the best teams in baseball all year and are playing very loose with their lead. I have tickets to the Phils/Nats game next Friday. Bought the tickets in March thinking that it was a huge game last year on the closing Friday, maybe it will be again. I think I might have been right! Go Phils!!

Frank


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Subject: RE: BS: Those Mets.
From: PoppaGator
Date: 19 Sep 08 - 02:55 PM

Three teams are in serious contention for two spots: Mets, Phillies, and Brewers. I hate to say it, but the Phils look stringest of the three right now.

Those Metsies could go all the way, but to do it they'll have to win a bunch of games by "football scores" like 13-10, 9-7, etc. ~ which IS something they should be able to do. (It is, after all, football season!)


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Subject: RE: BS: Those Mets.
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 19 Sep 08 - 03:03 PM

We have no bullpen to speak of. That is scaring the heck out of me.


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Subject: RE: BS: Those Mets.
From: Seamus Kennedy
Date: 19 Sep 08 - 03:04 PM

As long as we don't have a replay of the '86 World Series in October....

Seamus Red Sox fan


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Subject: RE: BS: Those Mets.
From: PoppaGator
Date: 19 Sep 08 - 06:03 PM

If Big Papi has to play in the field at Shea (or whatever NL site) in order to get his at-bats, and at the dreaded first-base position, hold your breath!


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Subject: RE: BS: Those Mets.
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 20 Sep 08 - 10:04 AM

Back in first.... to be continued....


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Subject: RE: BS: Those Mets.
From: Pseudolus
Date: 20 Sep 08 - 10:41 PM

Phils back in first...all the Wild Card hopefuls lost tonight. Looking more and more like both the Mets and Phils will go to the playoffs....to be continued....


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Subject: RE: BS: Those Mets.
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 20 Sep 08 - 11:00 PM

I am getting too old for this.... where is the Mylanta??


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Subject: RE: BS: Those Mets.
From: PoppaGator
Date: 21 Sep 08 - 05:18 PM

Dream scenario: the Mets get their act together in time for postseason and proceed to spoil things for BOTH media-darling crybabies, the Cubs and the Red Sox...


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Subject: Lyr Add: A DYING CUB FAN'S LAST REQUEST (S Goodman
From: pdq
Date: 21 Sep 08 - 05:41 PM

Compared to Cub fans, Mets fans look downright spoiled.

Hate to see the Cubs win a pennant because this song would just not be the same:

A DYING CUB FAN'S LAST REQUEST


by Steve Goodman (1983)

By the shore's of old Lake Michigan
Where the "hawk wind" blows so cold
An old Cub fan lay dying
In his midnight hour that tolled
Round his bed, his friends had all gathered
They knew his time was short
And on his head they put this bright blue cap
From his all-time favorite sport
He told them, "Its late and its getting dark in here"
And I know its time to go
But before I leave the line-up
Boys, there's just one thing I'd like to know

Do they still play the blues in Chicago
When baseball season rolls around
When the snow melts away,
Do the Cubbies still play
In their ivy-covered burial ground
When I was a boy they were my pride and joy
But now they only bring fatigue
To the home of the brave
The land of the free
And the doormat of the National League

Told his friends "You know the law of averages says:
Anything will happen that can"
That's what it says
"But the last time the Cubs won a National League pennant
Was the year we dropped the bomb on Japan
"
The Cubs made me a criminal
Sent me down a wayward path
They stole my youth from me
(that's the truth)
I'd forsake my teachers
To go sit in the bleachers
In flagrant truancy

and then one thing led to another
and soon I'd discovered alcohol, gambling, dope
football, hockey, lacrosse, tennis
But what do you expect,
When you raise up a young boy's hopes
And then just crush 'em like so many paper beer cups.

Year after year after year
after year, after year, after year, after year, after year
'Til those hopes are just so much popcorn
for the pigeons beneath the 'L' tracks to eat
He said, "You know I'll never see Wrigley Field, anymore before my eternal rest
So if you have your pencils and your score cards ready,
and I'll read you my last request
He said, "Give me a double header funeral in Wrigley Field
On some sunny weekend day (no lights)
Have the organ play the "National Anthem"
and then a little 'na, na, na, na, hey hey, hey, Goodbye'
Make six bullpen pitchers, carry my coffin
and six ground keepers clear my path
Have the umpires bark me out at every base
In all their holy wrath
Its a beautiful day for a funeral, Hey Ernie lets play two!
Somebody go get Jack Brickhouse to come back,
and conduct just one more interview
Have the Cubbies run right out into the middle of the field,
Have Keith Moreland drop a routine fly
Give everybody two bags of peanuts and a frosty malt
And I'll be ready to die

Build a big fire on home plate out of your Louisville Sluggers baseball bats,
And toss my coffin in
Let my ashes blow in a beautiful snow
From the prevailing 30 mile an hour southwest wind
When my last remains go flying over the left-field wall
Will bid the bleacher bums ad?eu
And I will come to my final resting place, out on Waveland Avenue

The dying man's friends told him to cut it out
They said stop it that's an awful shame
He whispered, "Don't Cry, we'll meet by and by near the Heavenly Hall of Fame
He said, "I've got season's tickets to watch the Angels now,
So its just what I'm going to do
He said, "but you the living, you're stuck here with the Cubs,
So its me that feels sorry for you!"

And he said, "Ahh Play, play that lonesome losers tune,
That's the one I like the best"
And he closed his eyes, and slipped away
What we got is the Dying Cub Fan's Last Request
And here it is

Do they still play the blues in Chicago
When baseball season rolls around
When the snow melts away,
Do the Cubbies still play
In their ivy-covered burial ground
When I was a boy they were my pride and joy
But now they only bring fatigue
To the home of the brave
The land of the free
And the doormat of the National League


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Subject: RE: BS: Those Mets.
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 21 Sep 08 - 06:14 PM

"Compared to Cub fans, Mets fans look downright spoiled."

I know. It must be hard to grow up in Chicago and not have any professional baseball to watch.


ouch! :)


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Subject: RE: BS: Those Mets.
From: Pseudolus
Date: 22 Sep 08 - 10:05 AM

At least in New York you can watch it until early September....

I apologize but I couldn't resist....

Frank


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Subject: RE: BS: Those Mets.
From: Rapparee
Date: 22 Sep 08 - 12:19 PM

go cubbies


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Subject: RE: BS: Those Mets.
From: PoppaGator
Date: 22 Sep 08 - 12:24 PM

I had heard of that Steve Goodman song, but never heard it ~ certainly not the whole thing. That sucker is LONG!!!! I'd be surprised if anyone has been able to memorize the whole thing in orer to perform it; maybe that's why we don't get to hear it often (or ever).

Steve wrote another, shorter and more upbeat, song about the Cubs that has been resurrected this year and is sung by the fans at the end of each win a Wrigley. I'm glad for Steve, and grudgingly OK with the Cubs fans' enjoyment.

If my beloved Mets can't pull themselves together and make a run, and some other team has to come out on top, I'd be glad to see Sweet Lou and Cubs break that jinx and prevail.


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Subject: RE: BS: Those Mets.
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 23 Sep 08 - 09:23 AM

damn Cubs


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Subject: RE: BS: Those Mets.
From: Pseudolus
Date: 23 Sep 08 - 09:59 AM

You do have to hate a team that sends a pitcher to the plate with the bases loaded and he hits it out of the park! I am a little surprised that the team the Mets have to worry about the most is now the Brewers and not the Phillies. The Brewers must feel pretty fortunate having the September from hell and still are just one game out of first with 6 to play...it's gonna go down to the wire...

Frank


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Subject: RE: BS: Those Mets.
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 23 Sep 08 - 10:10 AM

You gotta believe - even though I am fighting flashbacks of last year. I still feel that there is going to be one more party at Shea in late October.


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Subject: RE: BS: Those Mets.
From: dick greenhaus
Date: 23 Sep 08 - 12:52 PM

Re Chi-
Hell, anyone can have a bad century.


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Subject: RE: BS: Those Mets.
From: Pseudolus
Date: 23 Sep 08 - 10:49 PM

Back to 1 1/2 games in the East with a Phils loss and a Mets win. The Brewers are losing which I suppose is good news for everybody...The earliest the Phils could clinch now is Friday. My tickets coud be good ones...life is good...


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Subject: RE: BS: Those Mets.
From: Pseudolus
Date: 24 Sep 08 - 11:58 AM

Oh man, the Brewers came back to win! Phils a game and a half in from of the Mets and the Brewers one game behind them...Yikes, it's not over til it's over folks!!!!

Frank


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Subject: RE: BS: Those Mets.
From: Pseudolus
Date: 24 Sep 08 - 11:58 PM

Alright, I'm not sure I can take it anymore...NO ONE wants to win this division!!!!! And now the Brewers are back in the mix...What a ride! Mets and Phils lose and the Brewers win...and a HUGE storm is coming! I smell a couple double headers coming as if any of these teams need that!

Frank


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Subject: RE: BS: Those Mets.
From: JJ
Date: 25 Sep 08 - 10:21 AM

Philadelphia is off today, so the Mets and Brewers will catch up with the Phillies in games played. Thought I saw yesterday that the Mets had moved tonight's game time up half-an-hour in hopes of getting it in, but I was wrong. I figure the Cubs game will be rained out, to be made up only if it impacts on the postseason. But what about the games with the Marlins? It's supposed to rain right through Sunday, and the postseason is scheduled to start next Wednesday! Oh, what a hideous loss for the Mets last night...


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Subject: RE: BS: Those Mets.
From: JJ
Date: 26 Sep 08 - 09:32 AM

Slide, Church, slide!

Go Cubbies! Go Nats!


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Subject: RE: BS: Those Mets.
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 26 Sep 08 - 09:35 AM

Mets won. Breweres won. This is going to be an interesting weekend.


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Subject: RE: BS: Those Mets.
From: Pseudolus
Date: 26 Sep 08 - 11:48 AM

Way TOO interesting if you're a Phils fan! We're bundling up and heading to the ballpark tonight. This game could say a lot about the rest of the weekend. Last year, it set the tone when the Phils got a huge Friday night win. At the beginning of the season when we were deciding on tickets I told my wife that we should take a chance and see if the last Friday would be a big game again....other than the rain, it was a nice call....

Frank


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Subject: RE: BS: Those Mets.
From: PoppaGator
Date: 26 Sep 08 - 11:58 AM

BIG series-es in New Yorka nd Philadelphia on a weekend when both cities are in line for some nasty weather.

Doubleheaders on Sunday, anyone?

Actually, as a Mets fan, I hope the weather holds and only one game is played per day, at least at Shea ~ that's the most hopeful scenario for a team with, er, limited pitching depth.

Speaking of Shea: we probably won't know which will be the last game ever played there until after it's over... (Since the Yankees were out of the playoff race early, everyone knew when the last game in their stadium would be played.)


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Subject: RE: BS: Those Mets.
From: Pseudolus
Date: 26 Sep 08 - 03:07 PM

What I am hearing for the Philly area is that tonight will be fine with a potential delay at some point but not enough to cancel and that tomorrow is a little dicier but with a 4:00 start, there is plenty of time for delays so they are hopeful to get that one in as well. Delays mean counting on your bull pen...the Phils have been pretty solid so far but crunch time is a totally different animal...we'll see...I have my umbrella and my tickets...here's hoping for a good outing from Joe Blanton!

Frank


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Subject: RE: BS: Those Mets.
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 26 Sep 08 - 03:25 PM

Sorry, but I'm now hoping and praying that the Nationals and Cubs will take care of the Phillies and Brewers respectively, and that my Mets can pull in a sweep to give us a spot in the playoffs.

As much as I'm against "wild cards", I have to admit it makes for an incredible finish. The various scenarios make it impossible to count anyone out or count anyone in.

I would love to see a three-way tie! Well, not really - I want my Mets to finish first!!!!!!!!!


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Subject: RE: BS: Those Mets.
From: Pseudolus
Date: 27 Sep 08 - 12:14 AM

Well, I sat through the mist in Philadelphia tonight and it was well worth it! The Phils scored 3 in the first and 4 in the second and never looked back. Mets lost to the Marlins so the Phils magic number is one. The Brewers also won and their Wild Card magic number is two. I'm amazed, I thought the Brewers were toast! Two to go...we'll see!

Frank


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Subject: RE: BS: Those Mets.
From: JJ
Date: 27 Sep 08 - 09:26 AM

Mets are moving Santana up to pitch today on short rest, figuring that if they don't win today, they can pitch Tom Seaver's daughter tomorrow, because it won't matter...


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Subject: RE: BS: Those Mets.
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 27 Sep 08 - 10:24 AM

Over? Did you say "over"? Nothing is over until we decide it is! Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell no!


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Subject: RE: BS: Those Mets.
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 28 Sep 08 - 09:17 AM

Let's go Mets!   This will be an interesting day!


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Subject: RE: BS: Those Mets.
From: JJ
Date: 28 Sep 08 - 09:48 AM

"One day more," as they sing in LES MISERABLES.

Or maybe two!


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Subject: RE: BS: Those Mets.
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 28 Sep 08 - 07:18 PM

Just wait till next year...


After the debacle ended, the Mets closed Shea Stadium.

It was a very moving ceremony that was capped with all the players of the past (including Willie Mays, Seaver, Strawberry, Gooden and my man - Rocky Ron Swoboda!) and then Seaver through the final pitch to Mike Piazza. Seaver and Piazza walked to the outfield and walked through the outfield gate - shutting it behind them to "Shea Goodbye".   I wept like a baby.


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Subject: RE: BS: Those Mets.
From: PoppaGator
Date: 29 Sep 08 - 12:00 PM

Can we attach an "Obit" prefix to this thread now?

Ron, thanks for telling us about the post-game ceremony, somber as it undoubtedly was. I'm surpried that ESPN did not mention it at all on SportsCenter last night and this morning ~ shame on them! (They certainly gave more than enough coverage to the last game at that other New York stadium!)

As a fan of the man, you probably already know this, but I'll say it anyway: Ron Swoboda has become a long-time adopted New Orleanian and a local media character, not only as a sportscaster but also as a food-and-wine maven and a knowledgeable music critic.


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Subject: RE: BS: Those Mets.
From: Rapparee
Date: 29 Sep 08 - 06:18 PM

Cubbies.


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Subject: RE: BS: Those Mets.
From: lefthanded guitar
Date: 29 Sep 08 - 07:19 PM

See my final word on this subject, if you like, on the medical message board.


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