BS: Tell PBS she's not qualified

Subject: BS: Tell PBS she's not qualified
From: katlaughing
Date: 21 Sep 08 - 02:04 PM

Another Mudcatter sent me a link to a PBS poll in which they ask if one thinks that woman from Alaska is qualified to be vice president. Apparently the "right" (which is anything but, imo) is trying to skew the results. Right now it stands at 53% say she is vs 45% say she isn't. If you are so inclined, please join me in making sure they know there are many of us who do NOT think she is qualified. Just Click Here!

Subject: RE: BS: Tell PBS she's not qualified
From: Donuel
Date: 21 Sep 08 - 02:16 PM

Of course you are right but objectively she is physically qualified to be President in the exact ame manner in which George W Bush IS.
The business world have always found these kind of people wonderfully pliable to enable the maximum freedom for business and the minimum fredom for citizens.

Subject: RE: BS: Tell PBS she's not qualified
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 21 Sep 08 - 02:24 PM

Done it.

She is a joke - but a dangerous one.

Subject: RE: BS: Tell PBS she's not qualified
From: artbrooks
Date: 21 Sep 08 - 02:26 PM

I'd personally say that "eligible" and "qualified" are entirely different.

Subject: RE: BS: Tell PBS she's not qualified
From: GUEST,Jack the Sailor
Date: 21 Sep 08 - 02:26 PM

I voted the way you asked. But technically Bill Clinton was right. The only qualifications are in the constitution and are that she be 35 years old and born in the USA.

I think that may be part of the "approval" she is getting.

The question is not whether she is qualified, but whether she is a good choice.

If your major concerns are butting into other people's bedrooms, widening the gap between the rich and middle class and hastening Armageddon, she is nearly perfect.

But if your time line for the future health and prosperity of the country is more than a year or two, she is a ridiculous choice. But not much worse than McCain.

Subject: RE: BS: Tell PBS she's not qualified
From: Donuel
Date: 21 Sep 08 - 02:36 PM

Sarah Palin is the kind of person who could be made to see the value in blaphemy laws and black listing. But it doesn't matter anymore. Every great thing this nation could have done is now impossible in bankruptcy. The only thing we are still good at is exploding nuclear weapons, but I suspect that they have probably suffered a few glitches as well.

I imagine with Sarah Palin as President the culture war will be a battleground that could include police state tactics of censorship and inforcement. Sort of wierd Christian version of the Saudi Arabian religion police.

Not that that would be a bad thing, there will still be plenty of Belgian Budweiser beer and guns.

Subject: RE: BS: Tell PBS she's not qualified
From: katlaughing
Date: 21 Sep 08 - 03:07 PM

Pedants: take it up with PBS!**bg**

In 2007, she praised a pastor in Africa because his prayers helped her win the governorship according to her. The same pastor who was "called" to a specific town in Africa, who found a "cloud" of evil over the town and fingered an older woman as the "witch" who caused it. He harassed her, told her to "leave town or be saved" to the point where the police raided her house, two hundred townspeople rose up against her and, reportedly she left town. A witch as far as he was concerned...maybe not a far stretch for that woman from Alaska perpetrating such things in her extreme Christian way.

I also read that her husband is known as the "Shadow Governor" as she shares the government doings with him. Which fits with my personal experience of former in-laws who belonged to an Assembly of God church where they speak in tongues, etc. Every woman in that church, at the time I knew it, had to be completely obedient to her husband.

Subject: RE: BS: Tell PBS she's not qualified
From: Amos
Date: 21 Sep 08 - 03:21 PM

She's not qualified in the modern sense of job applications everywhere; she is simply legally qualified, but so is Bobert, or even David Miscavage (head f the Simontology outfit). That doesn't mean he could get the job, and it doesn't mean that she should get the job, on the basis of relative qualifications of knowledge, skill and experience. The COnstitution forbids any religious test for office, but it also prohibits the support of religion by the state, and that aspect alone disqualifies her, just as it should have disqualified Bush.

A

Subject: RE: BS: Tell PBS she's not qualified
From: gnu
Date: 21 Sep 08 - 03:22 PM

Unreal. Unbelieveable. Only in America. Sorry my Yankee friends, but this is beyond beyond. How that totally unqualified person could be even remotely considered as President of the USA is a fucking mystery to me.

Subject: RE: BS: Tell PBS she's not qualified
From: katlaughing
Date: 21 Sep 08 - 03:27 PM

It's a mystery to some of us, too, gnu, no need to apologise.:-)

Amos, too right!

Subject: RE: BS: Tell PBS she's not qualified
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 21 Sep 08 - 03:49 PM

Thanks, Kat!

Subject: RE: BS: Tell PBS she's not qualified
From: katlaughing
Date: 21 Sep 08 - 03:56 PM

You're most welcome. Thanks to the udder Mudder, you know who you are, for sending it to me.

Just for fun, folks, give a listen to Lily Allen's song "guess who batman" HERE!

Subject: RE: BS: Tell PBS she's not qualified
From: Peace
Date: 21 Sep 08 - 04:11 PM

It sits at 55% yes. I joined the 44% no voice.

Subject: RE: BS: Tell PBS she's not qualified
From: kendall
Date: 21 Sep 08 - 04:14 PM

Not just no, HELL NO!

Subject: RE: BS: Tell PBS she's not qualified
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 21 Sep 08 - 04:47 PM

'In 2007, she praised a pastor in Africa because his prayers helped her win the governorship according to her. The same pastor who was "called" to a specific town in Africa, who found a "cloud" of evil over the town and fingered an older woman as the "witch" who caused it. He harassed her, told her to "leave town or be saved" to the point where the police raided her house, two hundred townspeople rose up against her and, reportedly she left town. A witch as far as he was concerned'

Does she believe in witchcraft? Is she as crazy as she sounds?

Vice President.......!

does the Salem Witch trials have any resonance? if she is involved with these beliefs, you ought to take steps to find out. Someone at least ought to ask her.

Subject: RE: BS: Tell PBS she's not qualified
From: PoppaGator
Date: 21 Sep 08 - 05:00 PM

"Yes" is still in the lead, 55%-43%, with 0% specifically casting a "Not Sure" vote.

Where's the missing 2%?

Why would anyone (2% of respondants) participate in a poll like this without making a choice? They're at least as crazy as the "yes" voters, if not moreso.

I just dicsovered that it is easily possible to vote multiple times. Hmmmm ~ think any of those right-wings types are voting over and over, hours on end, absolutely gleeful at the prospect of showing their strength on hated "liberal" PBS?

Excuse me ~ I'm about to click back and cast my third "No" vote...

Subject: RE: BS: Tell PBS she's not qualified
From: Greg F.
Date: 21 Sep 08 - 05:01 PM

Is she as crazy as she sounds?

You Betcha!

Another BuShite religious lunatic.

Subject: RE: BS: Tell PBS she's not qualified
From: katlaughing
Date: 21 Sep 08 - 05:08 PM

You can hear that woman from Alaska talk about the pastor and comments on Keith Olbermann's show about it on youtube: HERE. Also, some on there from a radio journalist from Alaska.

Subject: RE: BS: Tell PBS she's not qualified
From: Peace
Date: 21 Sep 08 - 05:16 PM

I hope that Obama's team has some bright ideas real soon. Like, REAL soon.

Subject: RE: BS: Tell PBS she's not qualified
From: dick greenhaus
Date: 21 Sep 08 - 05:20 PM

Well, you never can tell. Someday the Executive Branch might be called upon to gut a moose.

Subject: RE: BS: Tell PBS she's not qualified
From: katlaughing
Date: 21 Sep 08 - 05:24 PM

Actually, we are kind of surprised some of the old-fashioned conservatives have let her go this long...thought maybe they'd cook up a little "accident."

Subject: RE: BS: Tell PBS she's not qualified
From: Peace
Date: 21 Sep 08 - 05:28 PM

My fear at this point is another theocratic-influenced government. These people are very dangerous, imo. Their zealous pursuit of political processes and ways to influence public opinion is already influencing people's thinking. Educators themselves neglect to remember that formal education in schools made the population more tractable and led to the reality that "In time the savage beast doth bear the yoke."

If they are not soundly defeated in this election your country will, imo, change forever and take a path that is everything from which nightmares are formed.

Subject: RE: BS: Tell PBS she's not qualified
From: Alice
Date: 21 Sep 08 - 05:29 PM

The vice presidential debates now have been changed at the request of the McCain campaign to protect Palin from really having to engage in debate.

Read on
Palin Not Ready for Prime Time.

Subject: RE: BS: Tell PBS she's not qualified
From: katlaughing
Date: 21 Sep 08 - 05:34 PM

From Alice's link, quoting in part the NYTs:

    Oct. 2 debate between the Republican nominee for vice president, Gov. Sarah Palin, and her Democratic rival, Senator Joseph R. Biden Jr., will have shorter question-and-answer segments than those for the presidential nominees, the advisers said. There will also be much less opportunity for free-wheeling, direct exchanges between the running mates. McCain advisers said they had been concerned that a loose format could leave Ms. Palin, a relatively inexperienced debater, at a disadvantage and largely on the defensive.

    McCain advisers said they were only somewhat concerned about Ms. Palin's debating skills compared with those of Mr. Biden, who has served six terms in the Senate, or about his chances of tripping her up. Instead, they say, they wanted Ms. Palin to have opportunities to present Mr. McCain's positions, rather than spending time talking about her own experience or playing defense.

Outrageous!! These people are not living in the same reality I am!

Subject: RE: BS: Tell PBS she's not qualified
From: heric
Date: 21 Sep 08 - 05:45 PM

We have to be cognizant of religious bigotry, but IF she believes that a Kenyan witch-hunter prayed her into office, and she told Charles Gibbons that it is fair for the press to inquire into her personal beliefs, do you now see what a hopeless buffoon Gibson was?He could have legitimately asked her if she believes in witches (unless there were undisclosed restrictions on the questions).

"According to accounts of the witchhunt circulated on evangelical websites such as Prayer Links Ministries, after Pastor Muthee declared Mama Jane a witch, the townspeople became suspicious and began to turn on her, demanding that she be stoned. Public outrage eventually led the police to raid her home, where they fired gunshots, killing a pet python which they believed to be a demon.

After Mama Jane was questioned by police – and released – she decided it was time to leave town, the account says.

Pastor Muthee has frequently referred to this witchhunt in his sermons as an example of the power of "spiritual warfare". In October 2005, he delivered ten sermons at the Wasilla Assembly of God, the audio of which was available on the church's website until it was removed around the time Mrs Palin's candidacy was announced."

http://timesonline.typepad.com/uselections/2008/09/palin-linked-el.html

"In video footage of the [Palin] speech, she is seen saying: "As I was mayor and Pastor Muthee was here and he was praying over me, and you know how he speaks and he's so bold. And he was praying "Lord make a way, Lord make a way."

"And I'm thinking, this guy's really bold, he doesn't even know what I'm going to do, he doesn't know what my plans are. And he's praying not "oh Lord if it be your will may she become governor," no, he just prayed for it. He said "Lord make a way and let her do this next step. And that's exactly what happened."

She then adds: "So, again, very very powerful, coming from this church," before the presiding pastor comments on the "prophetic power" of the event."

Subject: RE: BS: Tell PBS she's not qualified
From: Peace
Date: 21 Sep 08 - 06:08 PM

Talk about the need for an Obi Wan Kenobi.

Subject: RE: BS: Tell PBS she's not qualified
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 21 Sep 08 - 06:14 PM

She clearly ISN'T qualified and the folks on the right are clearly hitting this hard--the numbers are going higher that this goody-two-shoes is qualified.

And that clearly is wrong.

SRS

Subject: RE: BS: Tell PBS she's not qualified
From: katlaughing
Date: 21 Sep 08 - 07:15 PM

VOte and vote often, they seem to be...:-/

Subject: RE: BS: Tell PBS she's not qualified
From: CarolC
Date: 21 Sep 08 - 07:19 PM

Having been accused in court of being a witch by someone rather a lot like Sarah Palin, I can say with certainty that people who believe in conducting witch hunts do exist right here in the US.

Subject: RE: BS: Tell PBS she's not qualified
From: Ebbie
Date: 21 Sep 08 - 07:42 PM

56% to 42% now.

Hummph.

In Alaska one election season we got the petition on the ballot requiring that the cost of a potential Capital move out of Juneau be ascertained before any move was seriously considered.

The petition passed. However, 68,000 Alaskans voted No, we don't need to know how much it would cost. There are some really, really dumb people out there.

I wish the PBS poll had a spot where one could detail the reasons why Palin is NOT qualified.

Subject: RE: BS: Tell PBS she's not qualified
From: Peace
Date: 21 Sep 08 - 11:11 PM

"I wish the PBS poll had a spot where one could detail the reasons why Palin is NOT qualified."

No one has the time. The election is about six weeks away, and going into great detail would take longer than that, even for a speed typist.

Subject: RE: BS: Tell PBS she's not qualified
From: Stringsinger
Date: 22 Sep 08 - 05:45 PM

Kat, internet polls have become unreliable because of "freepers" (people who for political
reasons overload the system with voting more than once).

The Palin shills have done this with PBS.

Subject: RE: BS: Tell PBS she's not qualified
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 22 Sep 08 - 06:02 PM

51 yes to 47 no.

Subject: RE: BS: Tell PBS she's not qualified
From: Peace
Date: 22 Sep 08 - 06:06 PM

Yes                51%
No                47%
Not Sure         0%

That math sure looks fuzzy.

Subject: RE: BS: Tell PBS she's not qualified
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 22 Sep 08 - 06:08 PM

Just emailed my list telling them to vote Yes!

(So much for these stupid polls)

Subject: RE: BS: Tell PBS she's not qualified
From: Alice
Date: 22 Sep 08 - 08:23 PM

That's ok, Q, all my friends are emailing their lists to vote No!
;-)

Subject: RE: BS: Tell PBS she's not qualified
From: katlaughing
Date: 22 Sep 08 - 10:58 PM

I know, Frank, but it still rankles.

Q, you are so contrary!:-)

Subject: RE: BS: Tell PBS she's not qualified
From: Genie
Date: 23 Sep 08 - 01:11 AM

I've sent the link on to a few people, with this caveat:

1) This "poll" is about as scientific as if I'd asked a handful of people who were in line at Starbucks what they thought about Palin.
(Probably even less so, since those people wouldn't be able to "SPAM" the poll by tossing (deleting) their cookies before voting early and often.

2) That said, supporters of the Palin/McCain [sic] ticket will be ever so glad to glom onto the "results" of this "poll" and use it to political advantage if it "shows" that "most Americans think Palin is qualified."

(Yes, according to the Constitution a 35-year-old native-born US citizen with an IQ of 50 is qualified to be President, but I don't think that's how most people think of "being qualified.")

Since PBS is being irresponsible enough to float these ridiculously meaningless spammable inernet "polls," why not go ahead and play that game and help make take this particular arrow out of their quiver?

G

Subject: RE: BS: Tell PBS she's not qualified
From: MAG
Date: 23 Sep 08 - 11:29 AM

PBS really should know better. Until you've seen right-wingers jam the mikes at any kind of public forum on an issue, you don't know how the system works.

Subject: RE: BS: Tell PBS she's not qualified
From: Sandy Mc Lean
Date: 23 Sep 08 - 11:54 AM

48% NO after my vote so the tide is turning. Don't tell 'em I a'int a Yank! ;-}

Subject: RE: BS: Tell PBS she's not qualified
From: Genie
Date: 23 Sep 08 - 12:37 PM

Sandy, you make an excellent point. For all we know, Al Quaeda operatives in the middle east are spamming the poll.   ; D

Subject: RE: BS: Tell PBS she's not qualified
From: Peace
Date: 23 Sep 08 - 12:45 PM

"48% NO after my vote so the tide is turning."

Canute, is that YOU?

Subject: RE: BS: Tell PBS she's not qualified
From: Genie
Date: 23 Sep 08 - 01:01 PM

Aha! The Scandihoovians are tryin'a spam the poll!

Subject: RE: BS: Tell PBS she's not qualified
From: Sorcha
Date: 24 Sep 08 - 07:49 PM

I've voted often and it seemed that most of them were 'accepted' but now it tells me that my 'first vote was recorded' and I can't vote anymore.
It looks like we're up to 50% FOR and 49% AGAINST.

Subject: RE: BS: Tell PBS she's not qualified
From: Donuel
Date: 24 Sep 08 - 07:54 PM

A puppet for the military industrial financial monopoly CAN be anyone who can take orders, read a teleprompter, wave a bible and a flag... while shitting on the Constitution.

Subject: RE: BS: Tell PBS she's not qualified
From: DougR
Date: 24 Sep 08 - 10:02 PM

You folks are really nervous aren't you?

DougR

Subject: RE: BS: Tell PBS she's not qualified
From: Sorcha
Date: 24 Sep 08 - 10:17 PM

Not really, Doug...we just want the TRUTH out there.

Subject: RE: BS: Tell PBS she's not qualified
From: Ebbie
Date: 24 Sep 08 - 10:17 PM

Truthfully, DougR, do you consider Palin qualified to be President? (Keep in mind that the VP position is far different from what it used to be when his main duties were to attend funerals and, if needed, break a tie in the House.)

Subject: RE: BS: Tell PBS she's not qualified
From: Peace
Date: 25 Sep 08 - 12:48 AM

Obama will win with a small majority; McCain will lose with a big minority, and Nader will be an also-ran.

Subject: RE: BS: Tell PBS she's not qualified
From: Riginslinger
Date: 25 Sep 08 - 08:31 AM

"Truthfully... do you consider Palin qualified to be President?"


                   She's at least as qualified as Obama!

Subject: RE: BS: Tell PBS she's not qualified
From: GUEST,Sawzaw
Date: 25 Sep 08 - 09:34 AM

Hell no she is not qualified. They don't say "God damn America" in her church.

Subject: RE: BS: Tell PBS she's not qualified
From: Donuel
Date: 25 Sep 08 - 10:59 AM

ITS TIED 49 49

Subject: RE: BS: Tell PBS she's not qualified
From: katlaughing
Date: 25 Sep 08 - 11:32 AM

So PBS got smart and shut down the multiple votes...good.

Here's more of a reason why she is not qualified, imo:

Even scarier is her involvement with Pastor Muthee who has literally "hunted witches" having one older woman run out of town in Africa. There is a video of the pastor actually laying his hands on Palin as he exhorts god to keep all "witches" from harming her: click here. (There is more about it after Keith gets a couple of other things out of the way.)

Olbermann is right, if this were Obama with a "witch-hunter" it would be all over the news!

Subject: RE: BS: Tell PBS she's not qualified
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 25 Sep 08 - 11:42 AM

http://www.pbs.org/now/palin-poll.html

The Sarah Palin Poll
New and Improved - One User, One Vote.

I am writing in reference to the now famous "Palin poll" that appeared on the NOW on PBS homepage on September 5. It's no longer on the homepage; in fact, it's no longer a page that the online user can navigate to using menus, but hundreds of thousands of unique visitors are still accessing the poll and voting. How is that possible, and is that a good thing? More on that in a moment, after a side trip through the world of Internet "cookies."

PBS headquarters made the decision on September 22, to implement a cookie registration system on the Palin poll. That system is now part of the poll's inner code, and as of September 23, a user can only vote once per computer. PBS acted because the entire pbs.org site had been experiencing system overload due to massive accessing of the poll.

The poll asks the question, "Do you think that Sarah Palin is qualified to serve as Vice President of the United States?" The user answers clicks to answer "Yes" or "No." From September 5 to September 22, our software allowed online users to vote repeatedly. Sounds bad, right? But we at NOW had serious concerns about user privacy. "Cookies" are small text files placed on the user's system without that person's knowledge. Many computer users regard them as invasive.

Other possible fixes: we could have insisted on voters registering with their email addresses. But people could still vote several times using different email addresses. Or we could insist on a unique identifier - a user's social security number. This was clearly way over the line in violation of user privacy.

What are other media organizations doing? CNN.com does exactly what we had been doing—their polls allow multiple votes. The website of the newspaper USA Today also uses polls, called "USA TODAY Snapshot", but it employs the "cookie" approach to restrict multiple voting.

So, is the Palin poll now "scientific"? Absolutely not. It is still subject to large scale efforts on the left and the right to mobilize people to vote. The poll has become something of a Rorschach test, a tiny political marker in a tightly contested race. Over the past two weeks, the results of the poll see-sawed back and forth from a majority saying "No" to a majority saying, "Yes". At the moment the single-voter system was implemented, it was close to a tie: 50% say Sarah Palin is qualified to serve as Vice President, and 48% say no. Those results, in my view, are actually a measure of the mobilization and manipulation efforts by partisans on both sides. Now it will be all about mobilization, and less about manipulation. Blogs on the left and right are circulating viral emails with the exact address of the poll.

Some users have raised questions about our decision to collect opinion about Sarah Palin's qualifications in a poll. For a more complete discussion, take a moment to read the September 19 column of Michael Getler, the PBS Ombudsman.

The Palin poll is no longer in our home page rotation. We've moved on to other polls; each week you'll find one in the bottom right corner of our home page. The current poll asks, "Who do you trust more to fix the nation's economic mess—Barack Obama or John McCain?" It has already attracted a lot of interest.

And let's keep in mind the purpose of these weekly polls. They invite people who might not ordinarily come to our site to participate, and they encourage people to explore the deep journalism that is offered throughout NOW's nearly 10,000 web pages and 1,000 video streams. They don't provide the nuanced interpretation of our investigative journalism and deep content, but do provide a gateway to that content. An example: on Friday, September 19, we aired a one-hour special about women and politics on our broadcast. In the days since the air date, that online video has become the most viewed video on the PBS Election Site. For online users who are deeply interested in the issues raised during this election, the polls are only a starting point. There's a lot more to explore, to read, and to view.

I welcome your thoughts and comments about the Palin poll. Please use this specific Feedback Forum to share your opinions.

Subject: RE: BS: Tell PBS she's not qualified
From: katlaughing
Date: 25 Sep 08 - 11:42 AM

This writer expresses well what I've been feeling. From HERE:

If Palin were an eminently qualified candidate, steeped in policy and capable addressing the intricacies of the current economic crisis, I would probably focus on her religion to the extent that she believes it should be fused with government, whether end-times beliefs inform her foreign policy (if she has one), how she might bring creationism-loving political appointees to the Department of Education, or push pro-abstinence-only, anti-choice regulations to the Department of Health and Human Services, for example.

But Palin's vacuousness on any substantive questions point to a more -- pun intended -- fundamental concern. Given that many of her followers believe Palin is anointed by God, and she said in her 2008 Wasilla Assembly of God speech that she believes in the spirit of prophecy and revelation, you've got to wonder how much that, in her mind, is a substitute for facts, analysis, and policy-making. It might very well explain why she acts so confident despite her utter lack of preparation to be vice-president of the United States. And that is one hell of a scary faith-based initiative.

Subject: RE: BS: Tell PBS she's not qualified
From: Donuel
Date: 25 Sep 08 - 12:46 PM

Excellent link kat.

She had to get the witch spiritual vacine since she is a woman.
Men don't get the anti witch prayer.

I wonder about any Halloween pics of Palin hmmm

Subject: RE: BS: Tell PBS she's not qualified
From: Alice
Date: 25 Sep 08 - 01:01 PM

At Halloween, Palin said she dressed up as Tina Fey ;-)

Subject: RE: BS: Tell PBS she's not qualified
From: katlaughing
Date: 25 Sep 08 - 01:05 PM

Uh-oh, does that mean Tina is a witch?**bg**

Thanks for that, SRS.