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Classical folksongs

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folk/classical project, seeking ideas (20)


Lowcountry 09 Jun 99 - 04:07 PM
Margo 09 Jun 99 - 04:24 PM
Philippa 09 Jun 99 - 05:34 PM
Bert 09 Jun 99 - 05:37 PM
Frank of Toledo 09 Jun 99 - 05:37 PM
Susanne (skw) 09 Jun 99 - 06:46 PM
Susan A-R 09 Jun 99 - 11:03 PM
alison 09 Jun 99 - 11:25 PM
alison 09 Jun 99 - 11:27 PM
Wolfgang 10 Jun 99 - 03:12 AM
emily rain 10 Jun 99 - 11:27 AM
Jo Taylor 11 Jun 99 - 07:37 PM
alison 13 Jun 99 - 02:18 AM
Lesley N. 13 Jun 99 - 09:25 AM
John C 13 Jun 99 - 11:08 AM
emily rain 13 Jun 99 - 05:07 PM
Pete Peterson 14 Jun 99 - 07:09 AM
Jack (Who is called Jack) 14 Jun 99 - 04:53 PM
LEJ 14 Jun 99 - 05:11 PM
PJ 14 Jun 99 - 08:26 PM
emily rain 14 Jun 99 - 08:43 PM
Graham Pirt 15 Jun 99 - 05:48 AM
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Subject: Classical folk songs
From: Lowcountry
Date: 09 Jun 99 - 04:07 PM

I was wondering if any folk songs are based on classical compositions, as many hymns are. Anybody know?


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Subject: RE: Classical folksongs
From: Margo
Date: 09 Jun 99 - 04:24 PM

Yes, but I can't remember the name of the song. They used Bach's minuet in G. I think the song might have been "A Different Kind of Love". Someone help! Margarita


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Subject: RE: Classical folksongs
From: Philippa
Date: 09 Jun 99 - 05:34 PM

see discussions of German composers in the ethnically diverse thread - (see Wolfgang's contributions for instance)


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Subject: RE: Classical folksongs
From: Bert
Date: 09 Jun 99 - 05:37 PM

It was usually the other way round. With classical composers borrowing heavily from the folk world.


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Subject: RE: Classical folksongs
From: Frank of Toledo
Date: 09 Jun 99 - 05:37 PM

John O' Dreams, words by Bill Caddick, music based on Tchaikovsky Symphony #6.....Many versions Bok,Mayo & Trickett.... Peter Rowan.........Jean Redpath......Garnet Rogers...... Planxty....and the Clancy Brothers.........


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Subject: RE: Classical folksongs
From: Susanne (skw)
Date: 09 Jun 99 - 06:46 PM

I'm not sure it counts as a folksong, but the tune of e. e. cummings' 'All In Green Came My Love Riding', which Martin Carthy sang on 'Rights of Passage', was taken from Mozart's 'Hunt Quartet'. - Susanne


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Subject: RE: Classical folksongs
From: Susan A-R
Date: 09 Jun 99 - 11:03 PM

We Wait Beneath the Furnace Blast, a civil war era song, is based on a Bach Choral, Feste Burg (sp). It usually did gothe other way 'round though. Now Pop music is pretty shameless about it. I got Stranger In Paradise stuck in my head today, now what WAS that before it was Stranger In Paradise??? And I think that Barry Manalow (sp) uses some classical licks pretty shamelessly in his intros to some things.

Susan


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Subject: RE: Classical folksongs
From: alison
Date: 09 Jun 99 - 11:25 PM

Barry Mannilow, uses a Chopin Adagio as the intro and ending for "Could it be magic".

Stranger in paradise was in Borodin's "Polovtsian dances" from Prince Igor.

anything by Vaughan williams is likely to have folk song themes in it..... especially "Fantasia on Greensleeves" and the "Folk song suite"........ wonderful stuff.

slainte

alison


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Subject: RE: Classical folksongs
From: alison
Date: 09 Jun 99 - 11:27 PM

and the Beach boys used Bach's "Jesu Joy of man's desiring" for "Lady Linda"..............

slainte

alison


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Subject: RE: Classical folksongs
From: Wolfgang
Date: 10 Jun 99 - 03:12 AM

especially for Bert and Frank of Toledo:

you are both right. John of Dreams borrows on the Pathetique by Tchaikovsky. Tchaikovsky, however, borrows from an older Italian folksong (source: Mick Moloney)

Wolfgang


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Subject: RE: Classical folksongs
From: emily rain
Date: 10 Jun 99 - 11:27 AM

and don't forget that "twinkle twinkle/baa baa black sheep/the abc's" is the melody from mozart's "ah vous diral je maman". and brahms didn't write any words to his "lullaby", those are a folkie embellishment.


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Subject: RE: Classical folksongs
From: Jo Taylor
Date: 11 Jun 99 - 07:37 PM

Bert - I agree, almost always the other way round, but then we can take them back - Mozart's Horn Concerto 4 is a great jig, & William Tell Overture.. but they were probably trad melodies of the time anyway!
Jo


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Subject: RE: Classical folksongs
From: alison
Date: 13 Jun 99 - 02:18 AM

Hi,

Aaron Copeland's "Appalachian Spring" contains 'Simple gifts' or "Lord of the Dance".

Slainte

alison


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Subject: RE: Classical folksongs
From: Lesley N.
Date: 13 Jun 99 - 09:25 AM

The tune now used for the Marine's Hymn (the words were originally sung to a Spanish folk song) is part of "Genevieve de Brabant" by Offenbach.


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Subject: RE: Classical folksongs
From: John C
Date: 13 Jun 99 - 11:08 AM

as far as tunes go Jagger used a medieval Brawl (Branle) for "Brown Sugar"


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Subject: RE: Classical folksongs
From: emily rain
Date: 13 Jun 99 - 05:07 PM

oh! and i just remembered that there was a 70's popular song "i'm always chasing rainbows" to the tune of chopin's fantasie impromptu.


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Subject: RE: Classical folksongs
From: Pete Peterson
Date: 14 Jun 99 - 07:09 AM

A standard tune played at Northern contra dances is called Huntsman's Chorus, which turns out to be the male quartet number by that name from Carl Maria von Weber's opera Freischutz. It is a 32 measure AABB tune just like any good dance tune and fits into any dance medley, but an hour later, you're hungry again. PETE


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Subject: RE: Classical folksongs
From: Jack (Who is called Jack)
Date: 14 Jun 99 - 04:53 PM

How do you define classical music?


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Subject: RE: Classical folksongs
From: LEJ
Date: 14 Jun 99 - 05:11 PM

"The Hope Brings You Back" by Blues Traveler is a direct borrowing of Pachelbel's Canon in D .


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Subject: RE: Classical folksongs
From: PJ
Date: 14 Jun 99 - 08:26 PM

Billy Joel corrupted the beautiful melody line from Beethoven's 2nd movement of the Pathetique Sonata for a pop song in the 80's, but I can't remember it's name.


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Subject: RE: Classical folksongs
From: emily rain
Date: 14 Jun 99 - 08:43 PM

"It is a 32 measure AABB tune just like any good dance tune and fits into any dance medley, but an hour later, you're hungry again. "

hahahahahaha! you said it, PETE.

i just remembered that when i play streets of london, i play variations of the canon in D as counterpoint. it's really neat sounding, if i may say so.


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Subject: RE: Classical folksongs
From: Graham Pirt
Date: 15 Jun 99 - 05:48 AM

Keith Marsden's song "The Drovers" is based on "Winter" from Vivaldi


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