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Lyr Req: Tom Daniel (Batley) and Mining songs

r.padgett 24 Sep 08 - 10:31 AM
nutty 25 Sep 08 - 03:59 AM
nutty 25 Sep 08 - 04:17 AM
r.padgett 25 Sep 08 - 09:48 AM
nutty 25 Sep 08 - 10:43 AM
nutty 25 Sep 08 - 10:46 AM
r.padgett 25 Sep 08 - 11:52 AM
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r.padgett 26 Sep 08 - 10:58 AM
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GUEST,Frank 28 Sep 08 - 05:47 AM
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Subject: Lyr Req: Tom Daniel (Batley) and Mining songs
From: r.padgett
Date: 24 Sep 08 - 10:31 AM

The Yorkshire Garland continues its interest in songs collected in Yorkshire and it seems Tommy Daniel published a Yorkshire Broadsheet with some of his collected songs

if anyone has such a Broadsheet can you let me know

Does anyone sing:

The Iron Man ~ this is a song sung by Tommy Daniel about Miners, probably of Irish origin?


Also Fair Rosedale ~ A Graham Miles song about Iron Mining? Does Martyn Wyndham - Read sing this? or Richard Grainger?


I am in contact with Mick Haywood who has already contributed to the YG collection, also Tony Morris

Many thanks

Ray Padgett


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Tom Daniel (Batley) and Mining songs
From: nutty
Date: 25 Sep 08 - 03:59 AM

I used to sing Fair Rosedale as I'm sure Robin Dale did as well. As far as I know it has never been recorded.

Other of Graeme's songs pertaining to Yorkshire are .....

The last of the Cleveland miners
The Old Town
Ring of Iron

I'll probably think of more

also how about Slaggy Island (Vin Garbutt) and the lovely song about Staithes (i'll probably remember the title later)

Remember everything south of the Tees used to be the North Riding of Yorkshire


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Tom Daniel (Batley) and Mining songs
From: nutty
Date: 25 Sep 08 - 04:17 AM

There's also

'Caedmon' and 'Boulby Mine'

by Bob Skingle (Teesside Fettlers)


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Tom Daniel (Batley) and Mining songs
From: r.padgett
Date: 25 Sep 08 - 09:48 AM

Hello Hazel

I am particularly looking for sung contributions if this is possible? that anyone preferably from Yorkshire is happy to contribute

I also have from Steve [Gardham] Me Collier Lad, which you might also know Hazel from a Mrs Lyons from Batley which has a tune variant of Six Jolly Miners?

Ray


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Tom Daniel (Batley) and Mining songs
From: nutty
Date: 25 Sep 08 - 10:43 AM

Collier Lad - It's not this one is it Ray?

Collier Lad


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Tom Daniel (Batley) and Mining songs
From: nutty
Date: 25 Sep 08 - 10:46 AM

PS .... I'm preparing for Whittlebury at present but will get back in touch after the weekend.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Tom Daniel (Batley) and Mining songs
From: r.padgett
Date: 25 Sep 08 - 11:52 AM

No not that one!
verse 1
If you could see me collier lad, come marching down the street,
Dressed up in all 'is uniform, so dainty and so neat,
'Is teeth shine like the ivory, 'Is eyes are black as sloes,
You can easily tell a collier lad, wherever he goes

3rd verse

There's two of them from Skipton, and two from Drayton town,
And two of them from Batley, a place of high renown
Six nicer young fellows you never could behold
They could turn the blackest diamonds into silver or bright gold

any good?

Ray


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Tom Daniel (Batley) and Mining songs
From: nutty
Date: 25 Sep 08 - 12:52 PM

It's not the version I sing .... It's closer to the song I've heard sung by Barrie and Ingrid Temple - the Yorkshire verse might just have been put in.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Tom Daniel (Batley) and Mining songs
From: Steve Gardham
Date: 25 Sep 08 - 12:57 PM

Hi Hazel,
Yes it's a fairly widespread song but this version is so Yorkshirecentric that we'd like to include it. It has a long pedigree starting out life as a sailor song then as a (sea-going) collier, and then naturally adapted to colliers of the landbased sort.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Tom Daniel (Batley) and Mining songs
From: r.padgett
Date: 26 Sep 08 - 10:58 AM

Iron Mining and steel songs and any Industrial songs e.g.

Chemical Workers song [I think Redcar in the old Nth Yorkshire] ICI Wilton written by Ron Angel I believe

Ray


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Tom Daniel (Batley) and Mining songs
From: peregrina
Date: 27 Sep 08 - 01:53 PM

refresh


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Tom Daniel (Batley) and Mining songs
From: quokka
Date: 27 Sep 08 - 09:56 PM

Two very good songs about mining:

'Schooldays Over' - McColl
'Follow Me Down Cousin Jack' - Show of Hands

Cheers,
Quokka


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Tom Daniel (Batley) and Mining songs
From: GUEST,Frank
Date: 28 Sep 08 - 05:47 AM

Skewen Main 1925 is a song about the ending of mining at Skewen near Swansea....it is used as part of the Song Of The Earth folk show which has been performed recently at venues near Swansea in South Wales.
Frank


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Tom Daniel (Batley) and Mining songs
From: The Doctor
Date: 28 Sep 08 - 07:42 AM

Fair Rosedale is in Songscapes, The last of the Cleveland Miners and Ring of Iron both in Forgotten Songs Remembered. As far as I know none of these songs has been recorded, certainly not on any of the CDs I have. Roy Palmer's book Poverty Knock has a section on pit life, with 13 songs, including The Pony Driver, collected from a Castleford miner, but not the version of Collier Lad that you're looking for. I'll check through the rest of my collection at some point and see what else is there.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Tom Daniel (Batley) and Mining songs
From: r.padgett
Date: 28 Sep 08 - 02:41 PM

Many thanks to all!

Yorkshire songs is the thrust so McColl and Welsh and for that matter North East songs are Geographically outside of our area!

I have Fair Rosedale by Graham Miles in front of me ~ lyrics and music, anyone singing this?

The Pony Driver equates to I am a Driver [my pony rubs] and I have Mick Haywood and Bill Price singing this Steve [Gardham] has obtained this as sung by Bill Hill and collected by A.E.Green who was researching out of Leeds University in the 60s

Any contributions gratefully accepted!

Ray


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Tom Daniel (Batley) and Mining songs
From: nutty
Date: 29 Sep 08 - 01:00 PM

I could be wrong but I think 'Chemical Workers Song' was written about ICI BILLINGHAM (not in Yorkshire)

Ring of Iron
Boulby Mine
Caedmon

Have all been recorded by the Teesside Fettlers (I have the LP'S)

MOULDERS WEDDING (Graeme Miles) Recorded by Ewan MacColl

Banks of the Tees
The Old Town (Middlesbrough)
Fair Rosedale
The Last of the Cleveland Miners
Blue Sunset

(There probably is more)
All part of the soundtrack for the Miles/ Dale production of 'The Banks of the Tees' - now digitised by Robin Dale

Farndale Daffodills
Eskwaterside
Yarm Fair

Recorded by The Wilsons


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Tom Daniel (Batley) and Mining songs
From: Steve Gardham
Date: 29 Sep 08 - 03:58 PM

Hi Nutty,
The difficult problem I can foresee with the contemporary songs is we need to have non-commercial ownership of a particular recording of a song including the full agreement of writer, performer and recordist. If you can help in getting these permissions for us from any of the above-mentioned writers/artistes this would be very helpful.
This is particularly important now we have the offer of The Website Archive Group taking on the website for all evers.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Tom Daniel (Batley) and Mining songs
From: badgerbiker
Date: 03 Oct 08 - 09:43 AM

Nutty, is the 'Banks of the Tees'a cd, my Grandfather was a Cleveland miner and I would love to learn the song and bring it down here to Wales?


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Tom Daniel (Batley) and Mining songs
From: r.padgett
Date: 03 Oct 08 - 11:25 AM

O ICI Billingham whoops!wrong side of the Tees then

ok

Ray


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Tom Daniel (Batley) and Mining songs
From: nutty
Date: 03 Oct 08 - 12:30 PM

Sorry Badgerbiker ..... I have suggested to Graeme Miles that the soundtrack could be released as a CD but he wasn't interested in the idea.


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