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Subject: Vaughan Williams Day / Cecil Sharp House
From: jimL
Date: 05 Oct 08 - 04:39 PM

We had an utterly excellent day out in London this Saturday celebrating the 50th anniversary of the death of Vaughan Williams at Cecil Sharp House. The day consisted of workshops and singarounds with the likes of Chris Coe, Katie Howson, Mary Humphreys and Anahata, and Shirley Collins, and two wonderful concerts of VW music - in the afternoon "VW & Friends" with Tim van Eyken, Mary Humphreys and Anahata, Chris Coe, Katie Howson,Jim Causley, Sam Lee & Lauren McCormick, and in the evening "Bushes and Briars" with Eliza Carthy (on truly stunning form) Jon Boden and Fay Hield (wonderful chance to see them together), Lisa Knapp, Jackie Oates & Jim Causley & Jim Moray, with narrative readings by Tim van Eyken & Shirley Collins.

All this plus a chance to visit and poke about in the CSH Library.

Everyone involved is to be congratulated. I came to a CS concert some years ago when the place seemed rather stultified and spiritless, but wow has that changed. Excellent front desk, great food on site, and a decent bar, and wonderful music with a great crowd and an utterly committed and attentive audience.

And what a chance to see so much "new wave" talent delivering traditional material with verve and style. We'll definitely be going to more events at CS House in the future.

Jim


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Subject: RE: Vaughan Williams Day / Cecil Sharp House
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 05 Oct 08 - 06:26 PM

"We had an utterly excellent day out in London this Saturday celebrating the 50th anniversary of the death of Vaughan Williams at Cecil Sharp House."

Do you mind if I gently suggest "commemorating" rather than "celebrating" Jim? Pleased you enjoyed the day - I think I can speak for all of those involved in saying it was a pleasure to bring it to you.

I think it's also worth noting the incredibly generous participation of all those mentioned above; as the event was a fundraiser for the Vaughan Williams Memorial Library, all the performers/speakers gave their time for free. In many cases this included learning completely new material, so there was preparation time in addition to performance.

And I'd also add a special thanks to Gerry Diver, Lisa Knapp's wonderful fiddle-playing partner, who was a late addition and therefore was not acknowledged in the programme!

Many thanks to all who attended - I hope you enjoyed it as much as I did.


Joan Crump


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Subject: RE: Vaughan Williams Day / Cecil Sharp House
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 05 Oct 08 - 07:34 PM

And a flavour of the evening for those who could not attend...



Bushes and Briars


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Subject: RE: Vaughan Williams Day / Cecil Sharp House
From: jimL
Date: 06 Oct 08 - 03:44 AM

"Do you mind if I gently suggest "commemorating" rather than "celebrating" Jim? "

Ooo, I feel a wonderful discussion on semantics teetering on the tip of my mind; but .... arrrghhhh - I resist. Phew, that was close though.

Thanks again to you and the other organisers Joan.

Jim
The Yorkshire Polymoth


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Subject: RE: Vaughan Williams Day / Cecil Sharp House
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 06 Oct 08 - 06:06 AM

I only make the distinction because, throughout this 50th anniversary year, I have often had to remind myself to use "commemoration" rather than "celebration" - I've been pulled up a couple of times on the concept of celebrating someone's death! :)


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Subject: RE: Vaughan Williams Day / Cecil Sharp House
From: Fred McCormick
Date: 06 Oct 08 - 08:46 AM

According to my copy of Roget the two words are interchangable. I'd ahve thought the idea was to celebrate VW's life and his contribution to music.


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Subject: RE: Vaughan Williams Day / Cecil Sharp House
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 06 Oct 08 - 08:54 AM

Indeed. But as I was picked up on it a couple of times by people who thought it sounded slightly pejorative, we settled on "commemorating" rather than "celebrating".

Anyway, apart from deciding whether we were commemorating or celebrating, and disputes about how to pronounce Ralph, did anyone else have any thoughts on the day?


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Subject: RE: Vaughan Williams Day / Cecil Sharp House
From: Tootler
Date: 06 Oct 08 - 09:01 AM

I only make the distinction because, throughout this 50th anniversary year, I have often had to remind myself to use "commemoration" rather than "celebration" - I've been pulled up a couple of times on the concept of celebrating someone's death!

In this context I understand "celebrating" to mean celebrating their life not their death so either word seems OK to me.

When my Mother died we held a quiet funeral immediately and my Father later arranged a service in his local church to celebrate her life. I was able to attend the former but not the latter so it was quite a good arrangement.


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Subject: RE: Vaughan Williams Day / Cecil Sharp House
From: Mrs_Annie
Date: 06 Oct 08 - 10:09 AM

I often wonder why we commemorate/celebrate the anniversary of someone's death rather than their birth.

Anyway, as has been said already, it was a wonderful day.

We enjoyed all the talks, which could've gone on much longer, particularly Mary and Anahata's as the places they mentioned are right on our doorstep.

The concerts were great, lots of interesting interpretations of songs. It was particularly good to see Tim again after so long, and I see he is doing the folk club next month, will try to get down for that.

Informative, entertaining and inspiring.

And they are doing it all again next month for A.L.(Bert) Lloyd   :)


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Subject: RE: Vaughan Williams Day / Cecil Sharp House
From: Kevin Sheils
Date: 06 Oct 08 - 10:33 AM

And they are doing it all again next month for A.L.(Bert) Lloyd

Ah the "celebrated" working man!


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Subject: RE: Vaughan Williams Day / Cecil Sharp House
From: jimL
Date: 06 Oct 08 - 10:42 AM


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Subject: RE: Vaughan Williams Day / Cecil Sharp House
From: jimL
Date: 06 Oct 08 - 10:48 AM

"I only make the distinction because, throughout this 50th anniversary year, I have often had to remind myself to use "commemoration" rather than "celebration" - I've been pulled up a couple of times on the concept of celebrating someone's death!"

Oh, in the end I can't resist. What we are "celebrating" is the anniversary, not the death. Commemorating an anniversary makes no linguistic sense. And as someone else said, we are celebrating a life - only an eccentric would think we were celebrating a death.

Jim
The Yorkshire Polymoth


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Subject: RE: Vaughan Williams Day / Cecil Sharp House
From: Newport Boy
Date: 06 Oct 08 - 11:36 AM

Yes, a great day! I've only two complaints (neither very serious).

For those of us there all day, there was a big gap between the end of the afternoon and the evening concert (and I couldn't use the bar, 'cos I had to motorbike home).

And Cecil Sharp House is an inconvenient distance from Paddington!

The talks and the performances were excellent - a great variety on a single theme. Thanks to all concerned.

Phil


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Subject: RE: Vaughan Williams Day / Cecil Sharp House
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 06 Oct 08 - 12:01 PM

there was a music and song session from 5 - 6 pm downstairs, and doors opened for the evening concert at 7:30. We programmed the break to give people the option to go out and get food!


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Subject: RE: Vaughan Williams Day / Cecil Sharp House
From: GUEST,Meggly
Date: 06 Oct 08 - 12:47 PM

"And Cecil Sharp House is an inconvenient distance from Paddington"

Living in London you quickly realise that anywhere seems an inconvenient distance from everywhere else; I'm not moaning too much, it's just that you quickly learn that you do have to factor in a good hour to get anywhere.

But I happened to be at CSharp House during the open house weekend and went on the tour. Among the interesting things I learnt was that they did want to be a bit more central but that they picked the site as it was going cheap because it was an awkward shape. So I guess that even then the EFDSS were on a tight budget. The house is a little out of the way, which in a way is a shame cause it would be nice if it was the kind of place you just drop in to on the way past for a coffee and chat with like minded people. But I do hope that with more events like the VW day more people will make the effort to seek it out.

Saturday was very well attended and I met lots of people saying it was their first time at there.

xx


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Subject: RE: Vaughan Williams Day / Cecil Sharp House
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 06 Oct 08 - 01:00 PM

I should know whether this is the case, but it seems more than coincidence that the Vaughan Williamses lived right around the corner...


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Subject: RE: Vaughan Williams Day / Cecil Sharp House
From: jimL
Date: 07 Oct 08 - 03:53 AM

"We programmed the break to give people the option to go out and get food!"

My experiences with festivals suggest that "programmed breaks" aren't what people want, what they want is stuff happening. Having said that, the people running sessions etc also have to eat. The session at CSH was well lead, but wasn't very high energy - there weren't dozens of people pressing to sing, but I think it might have gone on quite happily for longer with a bit of support.

As it was we walked round the corner into whatever the street is with all the cafes & pubs (Parkway?)and had a pint - so a winner there anyway.

Incidentally, we stayed at the Thistle Hotel on Cardington St - next to Euston Station, which was excellent, and cost us £45 per head B&B for a double room.

That's also quite convenient - especially for those with bus-passes, as you can get buses up and down Camden High St and walk through to CSH.

Still buzzing though - and I've got to get back down to the library to investigate the Work Song and Shanty section - well, and everything else, I guess :)

Jim
The Yorkshire Polymoth


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Subject: RE: Vaughan Williams Day / Cecil Sharp House
From: Kevin Sheils
Date: 07 Oct 08 - 04:11 AM

I think the perceived "remoteness" of CSH, especially to those from out of town, is probably due to the fact that people only think "tube" and it is a bit of a walk from the rather seedy Camden Town station.

But perhaps the society could make more of the fact that the 274 bus stops right outside, is fairly frequent, runs late and gets to Baker Street quickly with plenty of links to central London and other parts. Even Paddington!

In the other direction it goes through Camden Town and on to Islington, so plenty of links that way.


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Subject: RE: Vaughan Williams Day / Cecil Sharp House
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 07 Oct 08 - 04:54 AM

The 274 didn't exist when I first used to go to C#H but there was a perfectly good rail station into Euston (Primrose Hill) a few minutes away. This closed when the area went upmarket and none of us could afford to live nearby any longer. Back then, Eliza C's dad (among many others) used to get in through the downstairs bog window because few of us had the door fee. By the time I started working there (1969) Martin could doubtless afford to pay to get in, but didn't need to. These were "the Goode old days", which weren't.

After being fired (almost) along with anyone else with an interest in and passion for the music as it was then and not 70 years earlier, I've scarcely ever been back but when I have I'm enveloped in cold shrouds of fear (and anger) at the controlling hierachy. The decor and layout have altered little (except that more and more of the building is sublet and the shop is no more). On Saturday (as on lots of occasions over the past 40 years) I couldn't bring myself to go. Shades of Ursula Vaughan Williams and her supercilious cronies linger on. I may have missed a great musical occasion, but I'd seen Eliza (and Saul Rose) the night before and decided not to spoil that.

Is the EFDSS really changing enough today into what it ought to be at the vanguard of "our" music? Come on Ruth, try to convince me.


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Subject: RE: Vaughan Williams Day / Cecil Sharp House
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 07 Oct 08 - 04:59 AM

"My experiences with festivals suggest that "programmed breaks" aren't what people want, what they want is stuff happening."

As a festival programmer, one of the gentle suggestions I've received from attenders in the past is that, without an obvious break programmed at teatime, it was hard for people to find time to have a proper meal. Go figure.

"Having said that, the people running sessions etc also have to eat."

indeed they do. John had been running the CD stall all day, and went straight into the evening session. He and Katie, who had done both a talk and the afternoon concert, needed a break before the evening. As did stewards and other staff.


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Subject: RE: Vaughan Williams Day / Cecil Sharp House
From: Mrs_Annie
Date: 07 Oct 08 - 05:13 AM

I am with Ruth here. She received some comments after Loughborough that there was so much stuff on we didn't get time to eat!

Surely people don't want to stay in that building all day - it does get a bit claustrophobic. We welcomed the break to go out and have some food and a beer which was NOT Greene King!


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Subject: RE: Vaughan Williams Day / Cecil Sharp House
From: Newport Boy
Date: 07 Oct 08 - 05:21 AM

OK - I didn't mean my "criticisms" to be taken so seriously - they were a bit tongue in cheek.

I agree with Jim that the session could possibly have gone on a little longer, but I accept that participants have to eat. After the session, I ate in the cafe, and still had an hour and a half to wait before the evening concert. Regrettably, the pub was not an option for me.

As an occasional visitor to London, I rarely think "tube" - the price puts me off, apart from anything else. It's not often the quickest way of getting round either. I don't think CSH is "remote" - I just said "an inconvenient distance from Paddington". The tube is a non-starter, and the best bus journey (27 & 274) is an estimated 50 minutes if the connections go well. I took my usual option, and walked. Exactly an hour in the morning, with pauses in Regent's Park, and 56 minutes on the return.

Anyway, now I've done the pedantic bit, let me repeat that I had a great, but tiring day - 7:30 from home, returning 02:00. And very good value, too! Thanks to all concerned.

Phil


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Subject: RE: Vaughan Williams Day / Cecil Sharp House
From: Brian Peters
Date: 07 Oct 08 - 05:48 AM

"Is the EFDSS really changing enough today into what it ought to be at the vanguard of "our" music?"

My impression (from the distant slopes of Glossop) is that there are signs of vitality of a kind I haven't seen previously during my twenty years' membership. Tributes to RVW and Bert, several songbooks published (including valuable reprints of Penguin and Marrowbones), the magazine much improved, good features in the Journal...

I suppose I should declare a vested interest, since Sam Lee's 'What the Folk' Saturday lunchtime series at CSH includes my Child Ballad presentation 'Songs of Trial and Triumph' on November 1st. I hope to see some of you there.


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Subject: RE: Vaughan Williams Day / Cecil Sharp House
From: jimL
Date: 07 Oct 08 - 06:11 AM

"Surely people don't want to stay in that building all day"

Of course not, but the point is, it's not the *same* people is it? We couldn't arrive until after the middle of the morning talks, we went for a breath of air after the afternoon concert, and then ate in the CSH cafe, so we were only ready for the session after 5:30 ...

There's no onus on people to go to everything, but when people have travelled a long way to be somewhere, they are often quite happy to stay put.

And I'm not heaping criticism on the VW day here - I'm talking in general. If I go somewhere for a day of events, I like something - no matter how low-key, to be going on most of the time.

Jim
The Yorkshire Polymoth


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Subject: RE: Vaughan Williams Day / Cecil Sharp House
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 07 Oct 08 - 06:12 AM

Yes, Sam Lee's an improvement, certainly, though I could stay at home and listen to Brian's CD.

Have to say I've been at only a few Friday night NeezeUps, Sharps, Songlinks, and the celebrations / commemorations of Messrs Jordan & Copper in recent years. All good but marred by the pervasive atmosphere of gloom, appalling sound and diabolical beer.

I'm yet to be convinced. See you somewhere else down the road, Brian.


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Subject: RE: Vaughan Williams Day / Cecil Sharp House
From: Brian Peters
Date: 07 Oct 08 - 06:16 AM

"I could stay at home and listen to Brian's CD"

Ah, but ballads are always better live, Diane (except possibly Three Ravens). And you'd get plenty of my F J Child back catalogue as well. But if not - see you around somewhere.


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Subject: RE: Vaughan Williams Day / Cecil Sharp House
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 07 Oct 08 - 06:22 AM

Yes, there's always Court Sessions the night before. Halloween, woohoo!


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Subject: RE: Vaughan Williams Day / Cecil Sharp House
From: Jack Blandiver
Date: 07 Oct 08 - 06:43 AM

I still dream of C# House. I'm getting off the tube at Camden, and taking in the sights and sounds of Camden Hight Street; picking up a copy of Prepare Thyself to Deal with a Miracle at Honest John's and an old Dobson edition of Cockadoodledon't at Compendium, then a huge slice of near perfect pizza for a quid before seeing what's what around the lock markets. Then I'm off for a toddle along the tow-path to Gloucester Avenue for a pint in The Engineer, before a look around C# House where I once bought a beautiful dumbek after a gig at The Crick-Crack Club in 94. Then it's up to the LMC where Georgie Born is duetting on her cello with the squeaking of the train wheels outside the window on a hazy summer evening... I dare say it all gets a bit mixed up in terms of the temporal, but at least the geography's sound!


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Subject: RE: Vaughan Williams Day / Cecil Sharp House
From: Spleen Cringe
Date: 07 Oct 08 - 07:02 AM

I hadn't been to C# House before, living out in the provinces, in the shadow of the same hills Mr Peters is to be found clinging to the side of.

I have to say that compared to a lot of the folk events I've been to, the venue was fine - the sound in the main auditorium sounded pretty good to me and the room itself was airy rather than gloomy. The atmosphere of the place was no doubt helped by the cheerfully subversive David Owen artwork everywhere - I hope some of that can stay up longer term... makes a change from the twee or austere or faux-peasanty or just plain dull art usually associated with folk. There was Old Speckled Hen on tap and although it ran out early, it was good while it lasted. Yes, some areas could do with sprucing up and a touch of, erm, funkification, particularly the cafe, which has a touch of the WRVS-stall-meets-church-hall-tearoom about it, but these things take time and money. I'm sure they'll come, along with the neon signs and so on. There seemed to me to be a really positive vibe about the place.

Also, it helped that there was liberal sprinkling of young people in the audience and they weren't all geeks. As usual at folk events, my generation, the forty-something folk traitors, were less well represented. That's okay, we're already yesterday's men and women... notable exceptions excepted and noted!

The MAIN thing is, though, is that this was a bloody good event. Some of the best young and not so young singers on the English traditional scene whooping it up and putting on an excellent show. I know folk music is supposed to be about everyone's right, regardless of talent or ability, to cough out approximations of scarcely remembered ballads in piss-smelling back rooms of pubs (and apologies to those of you who do this with verve and elan...). But sometimes it's great to see these songs in the safe hands of talented perfomers who clearly love and have a deep regard for this music. To my mind, events like this demonstrate that the EFDSS is not resting on its historical laurels, but proactively working to earn its place in the vanguard of today's trad music scene. If it continues in the same vein, things are looking up.

So a shout going out, as they (probably don't) say, to Joan, Derek, the singers and all others who made this event such a success.

Finally, any organisation that appoints as its president the woman responsible for Anthems in Eden, Love, Death & The Lady, No Roses and The Power of the True Love Knot has to be pretty friggin' special in my book...


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Subject: RE: Vaughan Williams Day / Cecil Sharp House
From: GUEST,Meggly
Date: 07 Oct 08 - 07:33 AM

I was just about to write an epistle about CSharpe House & the event in question when Mr(Ms?) Cringe lept in and said everything I was going to say but much more eloquently.

Hear, hear. A good event all round and I do believe that things like the David Owen exhibition and the Saturday morning workshops are the start of a positive 'funkification' trend. And I believe we should all either get involved and help (and I include critiquing in my definition of 'help') or watch this space.


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Subject: RE: Vaughan Williams Day / Cecil Sharp House
From: Spleen Cringe
Date: 07 Oct 08 - 07:46 AM

It's Mr Cringe, but you of course, dear Meggly, can call me Spleen...

I include critiquing in my definition of 'help'... Absolutely! I do think it works best when it's joining and critiquing, though...


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Subject: RE: Vaughan Williams Day / Cecil Sharp House
From: jimL
Date: 07 Oct 08 - 08:02 AM

"I do think it works best when it's joining and critiquing, though..."

Mr Cringe is absolutely right - and we intend to join. Better late than never.

Jim
The Yorkshire Polymoth


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Subject: RE: Vaughan Williams Day / Cecil Sharp House
From: GUEST,Meggly
Date: 07 Oct 08 - 08:04 AM

Thanks Spleen. You need to be careful these days.

Yes, thanks for qualifying my post. And I'll admit that I'm not a member of the EFDSS yet. I've been thinking about joining for a few months now but isn't there some odd condition that means all membership renews on the first of January. As I read it this means that if I paid my full membership fee now it would exipre and I'd have to pay again in January (?). Please correct me if I'm wrong and I'll happily cough up.


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Subject: RE: Vaughan Williams Day / Cecil Sharp House
From: Spleen Cringe
Date: 07 Oct 08 - 08:18 AM

I seem to recall you can pay a percentage in year one - I may be wrong though - I have been before, I'm told...


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Subject: RE: Vaughan Williams Day / Cecil Sharp House
From: GUEST,ladydetemps
Date: 07 Oct 08 - 11:18 AM

Just wanted to add my two pence. The video by the way is the one I took...sorry its not exactly speilberg but it's a new camera and I'm not used to the settings yet.

Anyway wanted to say before saturday I didn't really know who RVW was and what he had to do with folk music. I was only going because I wanted to see some of the performers. I ended up learning loads and widening my tastes in music even more. Met new friends and had a fab time. And the tea was resonably priced and tasted nice. :)

I enjoyed myself so much I'm thinking of going to the 'Bert' one, hopefully I'll learn some more stuff.

btw. I wish I had known about cecil sharp house before (maybe I would have discovered folk music sooner)...I actually found it easy to get to especially as I can do a bit of shopping in camden market beforehand.


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Subject: RE: Vaughan Williams Day / Cecil Sharp House
From: Fred McCormick
Date: 07 Oct 08 - 11:37 AM

"Yes, thanks for qualifying my post. And I'll admit that I'm not a member of the EFDSS yet. I've been thinking about joining for a few months now but isn't there some odd condition that means all membership renews on the first of January. As I read it this means that if I paid my full membership fee now it would exipre and I'd have to pay again in January (?). Please correct me if I'm wrong and I'll happily cough up."

Membership is indeed renewed in January and I recall that there used to be a sliding scale of fees for people who joined part way through the year. However, I can't see it the EFDSS site at the moment. Best bet would be to email the membership secretary, jane.gregory@efdss and ask.


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Subject: RE: Vaughan Williams Day / Cecil Sharp House
From: jimL
Date: 07 Oct 08 - 11:59 AM

jane.gregory@efdss.org


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Subject: RE: Vaughan Williams Day / Cecil Sharp House
From: GUEST,Derek Schofield
Date: 07 Oct 08 - 05:24 PM

membership runs from 1 January each year.
If you join during the year, you receive copies of English Dance and Song magazine from earlier in the year (so if you joined now, you'd get Spring, Summer and Autumn issues of EDS, plus the Winter one due late November, plus the Folk music Journal in November), and the satisfaction of knowing that you had helped fund the library, education projects, publications etc. Then you'd pay for the next year in January 2009.
There used to be a compex sliding scale of payments depending when in the year you joined, but happily, that has disappeared now - over-complex.
You best plan is to email the membership department, on membership@efdss.org - the person's name is Jane. Or jane.gregory@efdss.org

Hope you all join!!

Derek Schofield


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Subject: RE: Vaughan Williams Day / Cecil Sharp House
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 07 Oct 08 - 10:44 PM

Guardian review by Robin Denselow


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Subject: RE: Vaughan Williams Day / Cecil Sharp House
From: jimL
Date: 08 Oct 08 - 05:57 AM

There used to be a complex sliding scale of payments depending when in the year you joined, but happily, that has disappeared now

Well, if one were driven entirely by altruism, this might be a good argument, but as the year goes on, it becomes less and less convincing.

It's not for me to say, but I wouldn't have thought dividing the year into quarters was beyond the wit of man.

As it is, we will join, but from January ...

Jim
The Yorkshire Polymoth


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Subject: RE: Vaughan Williams Day / Cecil Sharp House
From: GUEST,Derek Schofield
Date: 08 Oct 08 - 06:19 AM

There's a link to the four star Guardian review of the event on the EFDSS website, plus a small selection of photos from the event... www.efdss.org

Jim - believe me, it did get complicated with the sliding scale.
Derek


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Subject: RE: Vaughan Williams Day / Cecil Sharp House
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 08 Oct 08 - 06:34 AM

There's also a link to the review two posts up, Mr Schofield - but it doesn't have pretty pictures of the concerts like the EFDSS website has:

efdss website


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Subject: RE: Vaughan Williams Day / Cecil Sharp House
From: jimL
Date: 08 Oct 08 - 07:26 AM

Very nice photos they are too - that final "Bushes and Briars" was wonderful...

As to membership, I bow absolutely to your experience "on the job" Derek. However, in terms of psychology, most organisations try to get people signed up "on the day", especially after a really good showing like the RVW weekend.

If it *were* my shout, by this stage in the year, I'd be signing new members from now without charge for 2008 but getting their next year's money now, even if I didn't give them the publications for the end of 2008. Then they would be "on the books".

But hey, it's easy to organise stuff from the outside so I should let you get on with it, and we'll be there Jan 2009 as promised :)

Jim
The Yorkshire Polymoth


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Subject: RE: Vaughan Williams Day / Cecil Sharp House
From: GUEST,Derek Schofield
Date: 08 Oct 08 - 08:04 AM

Ruth wrote:
"There's also a link to the review two posts up, Mr Schofield - but it doesn't have pretty pictures of the concerts like the EFDSS website has."

Yes I knew that, and should have added the word "also" in my posting above. There is one pic in the Guardian review (though not on the on line version).

sorry to hear about your digester problems Ruth ... that Matt Crawford .. no moral fibre...

Derek


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Subject: RE: Vaughan Williams Day / Cecil Sharp House
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 08 Oct 08 - 08:07 AM

Look, I've been organising folk events in London to take my mind OFF that bloody digester...


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Subject: RE: Vaughan Williams Day / Cecil Sharp House
From: GUEST,ladydetemps
Date: 08 Oct 08 - 08:51 AM

here are some pictures I took. Sorry they aren't the best quality.
slide show of Photos


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Subject: RE: Vaughan Williams Day / Cecil Sharp House
From: Folknacious
Date: 08 Oct 08 - 08:53 AM

"The decor and layout have altered little"

You haven't seen the amazing David Owen exhibition currently all over the building then! They already replaced that ghastly tapestry in the foyer with his stuff, and the huge Clash morris image is a real stopper on the down stairs. Why not flog off the dreadful mural and get him to paint the main hall wall as well?


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Subject: RE: Vaughan Williams Day / Cecil Sharp House
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 08 Oct 08 - 09:05 AM

*Basil Fawlty voice* Don't mention the mural!


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Subject: RE: Vaughan Williams Day / Cecil Sharp House
From: Folkiedave
Date: 08 Oct 08 - 09:10 AM

Problems with the digester at C# House?

Whatever next?


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Subject: RE: Vaughan Williams Day / Cecil Sharp House
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 08 Oct 08 - 09:20 AM

I haven't. As far as I can recall I haven't been in since the last Gloworms annual ceilidh. Wouldn't hacking out and flogging off the Ivon Hitchens make the whole House fall down? Actually, that's quite a good idea . . .


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Subject: RE: Vaughan Williams Day / Cecil Sharp House
From: GUEST,Shimrod
Date: 08 Oct 08 - 11:51 AM

Forgive my ignorance but what has David Owen got to do with it. Has the former leader of the SDP been reduced to decorating Cecil Sharp House? And him being a Lord and everything ... times must be hard for everyone!


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Subject: RE: Vaughan Williams Day / Cecil Sharp House
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 08 Oct 08 - 12:11 PM

Cecil Sharp House is currently housting a large exhibition of stuff like this by Whitby artist David Owen.


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Subject: RE: Vaughan Williams Day / Cecil Sharp House
From: jimL
Date: 08 Oct 08 - 02:04 PM

Ha! - I have the definitive answer from EFDSS on membership and LO! it transpires that Derek was somewhat pessimistic in what he told us -

The fact is that things are exactly as I wanted them to be. Join *now* and be a member til the end of 2009 - Hoorah - cheque in post tomorrow!

Quote :-

It's more obvious if you think of all memberships ending on 31st December.
People who join in the autumn, paying the full 2008 rate, get membership for the rest of 2008 and all of 2009. A bargain!
Okay?

Best wishes
Jane Gregory
Membership secretary
English Folk Dance and Song Society

Unquote...

Jim
The Yorkshire Polymoth


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Subject: RE: Vaughan Williams Day / Cecil Sharp House
From: kytrad (Jean Ritchie)
Date: 08 Oct 08 - 07:13 PM

A voice from the USA here- is that allowed? Once, during my Fulbright Year in Great Britain, Maud Karpeles took us (myself and husband George Pickow) to the Vaughn Williams home to do a short recording of VW's voice introducing the record made at that years' album of music from the Biarritz/Pamplona Festival of World Folklore (or similar title). I had always admired and appreciated Ralph Vaugh Williams' music, for his delicate use of the old song tunes in his work, so I had begged to go along.

He Himself received us warmly, and George recorded from him his fine introductory sentence. On listening to himself, he beamed and said, "There, I DO sound like Winston Churchill, don't I?" Then, tea was served, and Maud insisted that I sing for Mr. Churchill. He at once held up his ear trumpet, and I sang a verse or so of, "Come All Ye Fair and Tender Ladies," for which he thanked me, and applauded. And I could have punched George, because he did NOT take that picture-for fear of embarrassing Vaughn Williams. But wouldn't it have been great to have that photo?

However, George did do a farewell photo of us. If you'd like to see it, go to www.jeanritchie.com, scroll down to about the seventh caption on the Homepage, Visit The Photo Gallery Page". Click on that, and at the top, left to right it's the third photo. L.to R., myself, Ralph Vaughn Williams, Ursula, and Maud Karpeles. That day is a lovely memory to have.   
Jean Ritchie


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Subject: RE: Vaughan Williams Day / Cecil Sharp House
From: GUEST,curious
Date: 08 Oct 08 - 07:33 PM

Is Vaughan Williams' ear trumpet part of the collection at Cecil Sharp House? I do hope so...


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Subject: RE: Vaughan Williams Day / Cecil Sharp House
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 09 Oct 08 - 04:40 AM

That's a lovely story, Jean. Of course, many people who now visit Long Island have similarly wonderful tales about meeting YOU!

Did I mention I'm going to be in Ronkonkoma in a few weeks' time...? :)


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Subject: RE: Vaughan Williams Day / Cecil Sharp House
From: kytrad (Jean Ritchie)
Date: 09 Oct 08 - 07:43 PM

Well come on over to my Party, Ruth! I'm being inducted into the Long Island Music Hall of Fame in a town called, Garden City, on October 30. The Do is at the Garden City Hotel, which everyone tells me is fine and grand. I feel a little embarrassed, being born and raised in my beloved Kentucky- but my NY husband reminds me that by now I have lived longer on L.I. than I did in Kentucky!!! True, but I still don't think that way about it.

Anyway- google the L.I.Music Hall of Fame and you'll see what great company I'll be keeping- I still cannot believe it. The bad news is the cost of tickets, with dinner, etc.- fairly pricey they say. Will I perform? They want me to, but I'm turning 86 on my December birthday, so my voice is cracking- and then I haven't a thing to wear..... Maybe I just won't go.

But have a good time in Ronkonkoma!    All the best,   Jean


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Subject: RE: Vaughan Williams Day / Cecil Sharp House
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 10 Oct 08 - 06:55 AM

Sounds like a great shindig! Unfortunately I'm only there for a couple of days (24 - 26 October) before heading down to southern New Jersey for my annual family visit. My uncle lives in Ronkonkoma, which is why I'm stopping there first.

Have a wonderful time - definitely well deserved!


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