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OK, OK, Finally I did it. Wadayatink?

Wrinkles 10 Oct 08 - 06:28 PM
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Subject: OK, OK, Finally I did it. Wadayatink?
From: Wrinkles
Date: 10 Oct 08 - 06:28 PM

Finally bowed to peer pressure and made a MySpace music page;

I've suffered for my music, now it's your turn ;-)

http://www.myspace.com/barbararbarrett

Wrinkles


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Subject: RE: OK, OK, Finally I did it. Wadayatink?
From: Azizi
Date: 10 Oct 08 - 07:12 PM

Wrinkles, here's your hyperlink:

http://www.myspace.com/barbararbarrett

Congratulations on your Myspace page!

I like your comments about the differences between presentational performer and the representational or, empathic, singer. The songs on your webpage that I like the best areahtI also like your songs "There Oughta Be A Song" and "The Cheque's In The Mail"

Best wishes!

Azizi


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Subject: RE: OK, OK, Finally I did it. Wadayatink?
From: katlaughing
Date: 10 Oct 08 - 07:46 PM

Out of all your songs, I loved "It's been a long time." "Sunshine Veda Bread" is very beautiful, too. Thanks for sharing and congrats on getting your myspace space!


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Subject: RE: OK, OK, Finally I did it. Wadayatink?
From: Wrinkles
Date: 10 Oct 08 - 08:30 PM

Thanks folks ;-) A heartwarming response, and thanks particularly for the hyperlink (I'm a computer neandethal).

thy comments have made it worthwhile.

Wrinkles


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Subject: RE: OK, OK, Finally I did it. Wadayatink?
From: Wrinkles
Date: 10 Oct 08 - 08:59 PM

Ruddy heck! The Flash player says I've had 63 plays of me tunes played today. whoo.

but, somehow the tunes seem to have vanished off the flash player!

Too late at night to sort it out now, but I'll try fixing that tomorrow. Night all.

Wrinles


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Subject: RE: OK, OK, Finally I did it. Wadayatink?
From: Wrinkles
Date: 11 Oct 08 - 12:33 AM

It's Back, just as wierdly as it vanished: spooky :-]


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Subject: RE: OK, OK, Finally I did it. Wadayatink?
From: VirginiaTam
Date: 11 Oct 08 - 06:16 AM

Congrats to you Wrinkles.   Enjoyed the tunes. Definitely a Croce-esque air about melodies and lyrics. I miss that man.

"Right on" with the description of presentational and representational.

Remember to refresh this thread when you cycle in new songs. Just a way to remind people to go back and listen to your new stuff. You might be interested to know that there are currently 2 other threads on Mudcat, where people are posting their MySpace addresses. You could search those out and post there as well.

Good luck in your search for performers. I have written some poems that I am told should be set to music. Suppose I should be looking for a composer. Nah! Too much like work.


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Subject: RE: OK, OK, Finally I did it. Wadayatink?
From: Wrinkles
Date: 11 Oct 08 - 08:44 AM

Good advice Tam.

As for the Poems, well I've started another thread, so tune in to "Words to Music", you might just find it of interest :-)


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Subject: RE: OK, OK, Finally I did it. Wadayatink?
From: Wrinkles
Date: 11 Oct 08 - 09:28 PM

Thanks to sterling work by Nick_ I'm going to use the Blog facility of MySpace to post the Chords, Tabs, and lyrics for all six of the songs in this month's selection of tunes. I'll probably be able to get around to it by next monday or tuesday afternoon.

Seeing as the tunes auto-play as soon as one brings up a MySpace musician's page the first tune will always be either an instumental or folk tune to give the viewer time to read the list of tunes.

Frankly I've been amazed at the number of times this small selection have been played - probably more that they were performed live at the Sunflower all those years ago!

Thanks to all for listening.

Wrinkles


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Subject: RE: OK, OK, Finally I did it. Wadayatink?
From: Wrinkles
Date: 15 Oct 08 - 12:12 PM

Patience Please

I know I said I'd blog the words and lyrics of me tunes, but I'm finding the learning curve for HTML codes to keep tablature, chord diagrams, inserted chord names, and lines, properly formatted somewhat steep. I'll get there eventually: Old dogs can learn new tricks but it just takes a bit longer. Thanks to all.


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Subject: RE: OK, OK, Finally I did it. Wadayatink?
From: wysiwyg
Date: 15 Oct 08 - 01:04 PM

Wrinkles,

Fastest, simplest and maybe best way to get the tunes learned for most people will be to just post the lyrics with chord names bracketed into the lyric in regular type.

Like this: (making up one)

Once upon a [C]time...

Where C is the chord that you'd place over "time" if you could HTML it.

Fine to post them here if you like. In that case change the subject line of the post (look above the post text box) to read: ADD: (your song title).

Welcome to the world of DOING IT!

~Susan


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Subject: RE: OK, OK, Finally I did it. Wadayatink?
From: Nick
Date: 15 Oct 08 - 02:47 PM

The easiest way - if myspace accepts it - is to create what you want in notepad using Courier 10 as the font. Put everything in the position where you want it and then put a "<"PRE">" tag before the beginning and a "<"/PRE">" tag at the end (with NO inverted commas - it doesn't show it on this page otherwise)

For example - hope Mr Gaughan doesn't mind but it was the first song I came across on my computer):

Without the pre tag:

BOTH SIDES THE TWEED - Dick Gaughan

          Am               C          F         
What's the spring-breathing jasmine and rose ?
          C          Am      G    Em
What's the summer with all its gay train
       Am          C         F
Or the splendour of autumn to those
       C             Em          Am
Who've bartered their freedom for gain?

with the PRE tag -


BOTH SIDES THE TWEED

          Am               C          F         
What's the spring-breathing jasmine and rose ?
          C          Am      G    Em
What's the summer with all its gay train
       Am          C         F
Or the splendour of autumn to those
       C             Em          Am
Who've bartered their freedom for gain?


It keeps everything where you want it and means you don't have to do anything fancy (or until you come up with a more elegante solution).

Same with tab -

Without the PRE tag

------0-----------0-----------0-----------0-----------------
---1-----1-----1-----1-----1-----1-----1-----1--------------
-2----------1-----------0-----------1-----------2----REPEAT-
------------------------------------------------------------
------------------------------------------------0-----------
------------------------------------------------------------

... it starts to cock it up a bit

With the PRE tag it comes out as I created it -

------0-----------0-----------0-----------0-----------------
---1-----1-----1-----1-----1-----1-----1-----1--------------
-2----------1-----------0-----------1-----------2----REPEAT-
------------------------------------------------------------
------------------------------------------------0-----------
------------------------------------------------------------


It's not all-singing-and-dancing-2008-Object-oriented-program-led DHTML-with Java scripted widgets in surround sound but it does the trick


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Subject: RE: OK, OK, Finally I did it. Wadayatink?
From: Nick
Date: 15 Oct 08 - 02:50 PM

Obviously once you have created it just paste it into the myspace page with the PRE tag at beginning and end and Cuthbert's yer cousin. I agree with Susan that the [C] is another good alternative but I quite like my chords over the words too!


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Subject: RE: OK, OK, Finally I did it. Wadayatink?
From: Nick
Date: 15 Oct 08 - 02:56 PM

And chord diagrams I'd just stick at the end as:

D/F# - 200232
D    - xx0232
G    - 300033
G13b9 - 3x234x

etc

Do it all in notepad and get it as you want the page and then you just add in the PRE tags and paste


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Subject: RE: OK, OK, Finally I did it. Wadayatink?
From: Nick
Date: 15 Oct 08 - 02:58 PM

Whoops that was an F#13b9 before the complaints flood in...


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Subject: RE: OK, OK, Finally I did it. Wadayatink?
From: Wrinkles
Date: 15 Oct 08 - 03:58 PM

Ah Nick_ , I know about the "pre" tag, it's how I do chord diagrams and tablature.

Drop D Chords



D Major G Major
E--2---   --3---
B--3---   --3---
G--2--    --0---
D--0---   --0---
A--0---   --2---
D--0---   --0---


However, both thee and Susan are assuming I'd want to follow common practice and put the chords over the words: wrong.

I'm a trained typographer of the old school and know about hand/brain/eye co-ordination and how to best take advantage of that to communicate information. Susan's linear solution is psycologicaly the most efficient way to impart the information, however the use of brackets counteract all the advantages of a linear format by creating the occular equivalent of a kick in the teeth.

In Printing the "work-around" solution was to put chords over the words. While the tune is still being learned, chords above the words actually hinder the learning process. That "band-aid" solution has hung about and over into the computer era. In spite of the fact there's been no need for it since the 4-colour process became low cost.

The old internet days, when you could print/display in any colour you liked as long as it was the terminal's default, are now long gone, so a colour solution presents itself; chords in one colour (tint/light)and lyrics in another (shade/dark). In this manner the chords are where they should be for maximum efficency; slightly before the word they act upon, yet the brain can "switch" them off once the tune is learned.

The best typography never shouts "look at me!" "Ain't this cool!", rather it manipulates the reader without them ever being aware of it: and that takes effort.

As me old prof used to say "If you take in the layout, the typeface, or the design, before you take in the content, then it is at best bad typograhy and at worst inconsiderate to the reader.".

HTML, Hypertext, offer new solutions to old problems, problems so old that only old farts like me remeber them! I'd like to think there's still enough life in me to learn new skills and enough respect for the reader to be aware of their problems and seek to solve them.

Now, if I could only conquer the dyslexia! I spent a whole day wondering why "<"c stlye="clour:red"">" wasn't working!

Wrinkles;
founder member of DAM
(Mothers Against Dyslexia)


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Subject: RE: OK, OK, Finally I did it. Wadayatink?
From: wysiwyg
Date: 15 Oct 08 - 04:14 PM

The brackets approach allows US to read it and to convert it with our own skills to a method we as individual users might prefer in our own songbooks.

:~) I'm a former pro proofreader from numerous typesetting houses myself, and I've done the markuop job as well.)

Yes of course you can learn to code HTML. What if we want one of your songs faster than that, huh? :~)

Mudcat is primarily a place to communicate the songs. It doesn't really equate to "publishing" them in the manner to which you are accustomed, and it has its own standard formats that have been found to be more or less universally usable.

~Susan


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Subject: RE: OK, OK, Finally I did it. Wadayatink?
From: VirginiaTam
Date: 15 Oct 08 - 04:44 PM

Dyslexics Untie!


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Subject: RE: OK, OK, Finally I did it. Wadayatink?
From: Wrinkles
Date: 15 Oct 08 - 06:48 PM

You make good points Susan.

I was, however always under the impression that it was considered rather bad form to post ones own tunes onto Mudcat's database. I kinda figured that as the musicians' pages of MySpace encouraged it I'd try to present them in the best format that I can. (kinda makes up for the recording quality being so crappy).

(BTW I've always considered US post-war typesetting superior to UK typesetting.)

Granted when I was the resident performer at The Sunflower, sometimes other musicians would come up to me and ask if they could be taught one or two of the tunes I'd done but even with the MySpace exposure I hadn't reckoned anyone would be in rush to learn me tunes.

But if anyone is in a rush I'd be happy to send an ASCII version of the asked for song in the format you've outlined. Just leave a message and I'll forward the chords and lyrics.


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Subject: RE: OK, OK, Finally I did it. Wadayatink?
From: Nick
Date: 15 Oct 08 - 07:44 PM

Ah well there's a lesson learned. Never assume someone who asks for help either needs it or wants it.


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Subject: RE: OK, OK, Finally I did it. Wadayatink?
From: GUEST,NickE
Date: 15 Oct 08 - 10:41 PM

Dragged Kicking and screaming into the 90's playing music from god knows when.
I give it a thumbs up.


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Subject: RE: OK, OK, Finally I did it. Wadayatink?
From: wysiwyg
Date: 16 Oct 08 - 10:05 AM

Seen Mudcat MIDIs? :~)

~S~


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Subject: RE: OK, OK, Finally I did it. Wadayatink?
From: Wrinkles
Date: 24 Oct 08 - 06:45 PM

Silly Editor! Grrrrrr!

Well I officially give up. I wanted to blog the Tabs, Chords, and Lyrics for me tunes, but I also wanted to use HTML for effects such as bold for the lyrics and red for the chords, but, MySpace's editor insists on inserting codes I don't want such as centering, and ignoring ones that I do want, such as colour (or color).

My efforts actually worked in several HTML editor/viewers, but when put into a MySpace blog it became gibberish; multi coloured gibberish with half the invisible codes showing and unwand BR codes inserted everywhere - dozens of em!. Only MySpace Blog had this problem, not any of the editor/viewers I tried things out on first! So I'm going to give up trying to understand and fix this insane MySpace Blog editor and just post the tabs, chords and lyrics using only the PRE code.

Everything will be on site in a few days, using the solution suggested by Susan.


Thanks


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Subject: RE: OK, OK, Finally I did it. Wadayatink?
From: Murray MacLeod
Date: 24 Oct 08 - 07:26 PM

Subject: RE: OK, OK, Finally I did it. Wadayatink?
From: Nick_ - PM
Date: 15 Oct 08 - 07:44 PM

Ah well there's a lesson learned. Never assume someone who asks for help either needs it or wants it.




Don't get disheartened, Nick. You have posted more good stuff on Mudcat than most, and your posts on this thread are well up to your usual standard.

Just a pity that the idiotic thread title will probably mean that your advice will never get the number of hits it deserves :-(


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Subject: RE: OK, OK, Finally I did it. Wadayatink?
From: Nick
Date: 25 Oct 08 - 02:02 PM

That's a very kind comment Murray and I rarely get disheartened.

I presume she was trying to do something like this - Test blog entry on Myspace

But no doubt it's nothing like that. Myspace seems happy with basic html


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Subject: RE: OK, OK, Finally I did it. Wadayatink?
From: the lemonade lady
Date: 25 Oct 08 - 05:05 PM

Am I missing something here? If you wrote the songs, who's singing them?

Sal


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Subject: RE: OK, OK, Finally I did it. Wadayatink?
From: Wrinkles
Date: 27 Oct 08 - 06:56 PM

Well finally as promised the full chords, tabs, and lyrics for all the songs on the MySpace player are posted to the blog. It's a compromise between what I wanted and what the MySpace blog would alow, but I think it works well enough.

Sal, if you read the "about" section it'll be obvious who's playing and singing. Any critique about the dismal performance and suggestions for improvement will be taken on board ;-)

Thanks to all for the kind comments, and remember these tunes are the musical equivalent of freeware: IE any person may learn and play them and incorperate them into their live set (PPR Free) or share them around, but I still retain copy and recording rights

And Tam, I will get back to you very soon; I think you'll be pleased.

Barbara


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Subject: RE: OK, OK, Finally I did it. Wadayatink?
From: Wrinkles
Date: 27 Oct 08 - 09:42 PM

refresh


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