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BS: Is Stephen Harper's Rule Ending ?

Sandy Mc Lean 14 Oct 08 - 04:47 PM
Jim Lad 14 Oct 08 - 04:51 PM
bobad 14 Oct 08 - 04:52 PM
GUEST,number 6 14 Oct 08 - 04:58 PM
john f weldon 14 Oct 08 - 04:59 PM
Peace 14 Oct 08 - 05:02 PM
Bee 14 Oct 08 - 05:29 PM
gnu 14 Oct 08 - 05:36 PM
Peace 14 Oct 08 - 05:38 PM
Little Hawk 14 Oct 08 - 06:08 PM
Peace 14 Oct 08 - 06:13 PM
Peter T. 14 Oct 08 - 06:15 PM
Jim Lad 14 Oct 08 - 06:26 PM
Peace 14 Oct 08 - 06:38 PM
GUEST,number 6 14 Oct 08 - 08:29 PM
CarolC 14 Oct 08 - 08:41 PM
Peace 14 Oct 08 - 08:44 PM
GUEST,number 6 14 Oct 08 - 08:45 PM
Bee 14 Oct 08 - 08:46 PM
Peace 14 Oct 08 - 08:49 PM
GUEST,number 6 14 Oct 08 - 08:50 PM
Peace 14 Oct 08 - 08:51 PM
Bee 14 Oct 08 - 08:53 PM
Mooh 14 Oct 08 - 08:53 PM
GUEST,number 6 14 Oct 08 - 08:53 PM
GUEST,number 6 14 Oct 08 - 08:55 PM
Peace 14 Oct 08 - 08:55 PM
Jim Lad 14 Oct 08 - 09:02 PM
Jim Lad 14 Oct 08 - 09:10 PM
Beer 14 Oct 08 - 09:11 PM
meself 14 Oct 08 - 10:15 PM
GUEST,number 6 14 Oct 08 - 10:30 PM
Azizi 14 Oct 08 - 10:46 PM
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Peace 14 Oct 08 - 10:51 PM
Bee 14 Oct 08 - 10:59 PM
GUEST,number 6 14 Oct 08 - 11:17 PM
Bee 14 Oct 08 - 11:25 PM
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GUEST,number 6 14 Oct 08 - 11:32 PM
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Bee 14 Oct 08 - 11:39 PM
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Subject: BS: Is Stephen Harper's Rule Ending ?
From: Sandy Mc Lean
Date: 14 Oct 08 - 04:47 PM

How I wish!!!
Are Canadians stupid?
We are if we let him back!


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Stephen Harper's Rule Ending ?
From: Jim Lad
Date: 14 Oct 08 - 04:51 PM

Now Sandy!
Wouldn't be letting your Cape Breton roots influence you, would you?
Can't even ask you to send me updates.
Looks like the Internet will be blacked out when the Polls close in Newfoundland and Labrador.


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Stephen Harper's Rule Ending ?
From: bobad
Date: 14 Oct 08 - 04:52 PM

I voted to that end.


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Stephen Harper's Rule Ending ?
From: GUEST,number 6
Date: 14 Oct 08 - 04:58 PM

Is there an election in Canada today ??


biLL      :)


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Stephen Harper's Rule Ending ?
From: john f weldon
Date: 14 Oct 08 - 04:59 PM

One can only dream.
The trouble with "George's pal Steve" is that he plays his cards very close to his chest, and doesn't let on what his true plans are. And people forget his philosophical roots very quickly.


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Stephen Harper's Rule Ending ?
From: Peace
Date: 14 Oct 08 - 05:02 PM

Walt Kelly was right.


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Stephen Harper's Rule Ending ?
From: Bee
Date: 14 Oct 08 - 05:29 PM

Already voted. In Central-Nova: Louise Loredice, Elizabeth May and Peter MacKay.

Did NOT vote for Peter, as usual.

Do not know if I did the right thing though: verra verra conflicted.


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Stephen Harper's Rule Ending ?
From: gnu
Date: 14 Oct 08 - 05:36 PM

I was the first to vote in Moncton, NB, at the advance poll. I witnessed the empty ballot box being sealed and the lass said, "We should have a prize for you as the first person to vote."

I asked, "Can you promise me a minority government?"

I pray............


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Stephen Harper's Rule Ending ?
From: Peace
Date: 14 Oct 08 - 05:38 PM

Mine went to the Green Party.

snowball + hot stove = chance


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Stephen Harper's Rule Ending ?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 14 Oct 08 - 06:08 PM

There's a certain moral pleasure in voting for people you know have no chance of winning... ;-)


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Stephen Harper's Rule Ending ?
From: Peace
Date: 14 Oct 08 - 06:13 PM

It's not all that often ya get to vote that way. If I'd thought either Libs or NDs had a chance, well, you know. It's seldom I throw my vote at lost causes, but looking at the candidates I really had no option. I couldn't vote for any of the big three. No way.

Living in Alberta has basically disenfranchised me, because I am in a minority regarding politics on damned near every issue, and if by some slip of the bean counters the Greens actually did get in, I would be happy with that.


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Stephen Harper's Rule Ending ?
From: Peter T.
Date: 14 Oct 08 - 06:15 PM

As i said to my students, check out what happened to people who just wanted to vote recently in Zimbabwe if you want to know why you should get out and vote. In spite of all the rhetoric about how it doesn't make any difference, there is nothing power really hates more than those damn citizens in those booths.

yours,

Peter T.


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Stephen Harper's Rule Ending ?
From: Jim Lad
Date: 14 Oct 08 - 06:26 PM

Liberal government took away my vote back in the Eighties.
So did the Socreds for the Provincial vote in BC.
Lucky for yous!


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Stephen Harper's Rule Ending ?
From: Peace
Date: 14 Oct 08 - 06:38 PM

"there is nothing power really hates more than those damn citizens in those booths."

With you on that. I think it was Archie Goodwin (of the Nero Wolfe novels by Rex Stout) who said that voting was the cheapest game in town. Didn't cost a cent and for a few seconds ya got to be boss of the whole thing. He was right. I have gone through blizzards to vote, even when it was only to mar a ballot or leave a note for the Chief Electoral Officer. There is no excuse for any reasonably well person not to vote, and not to vote imo shows a complete disrespect not for the politicians--who may rightfully deserve all the disrespect they can be shown--but rather for the people of this country.

Good post, Peter.


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Stephen Harper's Rule Ending ?
From: GUEST,number 6
Date: 14 Oct 08 - 08:29 PM

"Is Stephen Harper's Rule Ending ?"

Looks like it's not ending in New Brunswick.

Geeezuz   .....   looks like Harper has bought us out.

I just don't understand it.

biLL


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Stephen Harper's Rule Ending ?
From: CarolC
Date: 14 Oct 08 - 08:41 PM

When will Canadians know who won? Do they do the sensible thing and tell everyone after all of the polls close, or do they do like we do here in this country and announce it while people are still voting?


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Stephen Harper's Rule Ending ?
From: Peace
Date: 14 Oct 08 - 08:44 PM

They have tried to ameliorate that with new voting times across Canada.

Found this article.

"The news is not all bad, however, as the latest result represented an upturn. In June 2004, Canada suffered its lowest-ever voter turnout for a federal election, with only 60.9 per cent of those eligible choosing to vote.

To those who maintain their vote is meaningless, we argue that they are wrong. Politicians do pay attention to what voters think, since their future employment hangs in the balance. Those who do not vote, however, throw away that leverage.

Democracy, to stay strong, has to be exercised. Otherwise, it is in danger of withering away – and with it, the democratic rights that perhaps too many of us take for granted. Democracy is surely not a spectator sport, either; it is, by definition, participatory.

In other words, if we say we believe in the right to vote, we ought to put actions behind those words.

The political campaigns are now over. Today, Canadians choose who will govern this country, whether by minority or majority government, in the immediate future. That choice is yours, thanks to the countless battles fought long ago by people who believed the right to vote was something worth fighting for.

Exercise your right to have your say. Vote."


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Stephen Harper's Rule Ending ?
From: GUEST,number 6
Date: 14 Oct 08 - 08:45 PM

They are announcing the results from Atlantic Canada now ... 1 hour before the polls close in Quebec and Ontario ... 4 hours before the close out west.

Harper's getting slaughtered in Newfoundland. Good!

but still ... it doesn't look too promising for Canada.

And to top it all off Boston's getting beat 5-0 by Tampa Bay at the top of the 3rd inning.

Depressing evening so far.

biLL


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Stephen Harper's Rule Ending ?
From: Bee
Date: 14 Oct 08 - 08:46 PM

I am full of gloom and considering moving to Newfoundland.


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Stephen Harper's Rule Ending ?
From: Peace
Date: 14 Oct 08 - 08:49 PM

When you can vote:
Time zone         Polls open (local time)
Newfoundland         8:30 a.m. - 8:30 p.m.
Atlantic         8:30 a.m. - 8:30 p.m.
Eastern         9:30 a.m. - 9:30 p.m.
Central         8:30 a.m. - 8:30 p.m.
Saskatchewan         7:30 a.m. - 7:30 p.m.
Mountain         7:30 a.m. - 7:30 p.m.
Pacific         7:00 a.m. - 7:00 p.m.
Source: Elections Canada


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Stephen Harper's Rule Ending ?
From: GUEST,number 6
Date: 14 Oct 08 - 08:50 PM

I'm buying a shack out on Deer Island and never coming back.

Part of the reason of the sell out here in New Brunsiwck was the consertative applying the fear factor of the 'Green Shift' and the equation of losing jobs.

biLL


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Stephen Harper's Rule Ending ?
From: Peace
Date: 14 Oct 08 - 08:51 PM

Canada has a 3 1/2 hour difference in times from Nfld to BC/Yukon (as a btw).


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Stephen Harper's Rule Ending ?
From: Bee
Date: 14 Oct 08 - 08:53 PM

I've been to Deer Island. My great-grandmother was from Campobello Island, came to Baddeck as a maid with the Bells.


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Stephen Harper's Rule Ending ?
From: Mooh
Date: 14 Oct 08 - 08:53 PM

NDP, though the Greens were tempting this time. I like Jack Layton and the local boy Tony McQuail, who is greener than green.

Peace, Mooh.


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Stephen Harper's Rule Ending ?
From: GUEST,number 6
Date: 14 Oct 08 - 08:53 PM

thanks Peace .... it could be 3 hours and 34 minutes ... round it off it would be 4 .... :)

ok ..... I'll shutup and go mope somewhere.

biLL


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Stephen Harper's Rule Ending ?
From: GUEST,number 6
Date: 14 Oct 08 - 08:55 PM

One more thing ... then I'm outta here.

Deer Island ... my favourite spot here in Canada. Downright beautiful and no corporate/politikal machine will ever destroy it.

biLL


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Stephen Harper's Rule Ending ?
From: Peace
Date: 14 Oct 08 - 08:55 PM

LOL

Hey, man, this is ALBERTA. Hot bed of same old same. Conservatives will win here for sure.


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Stephen Harper's Rule Ending ?
From: Jim Lad
Date: 14 Oct 08 - 09:02 PM

"Canada has a 3 1/2 hour difference in times from Nfld to BC/Yukon (as a btw)."
4 1/2 hours, Bruce.


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Stephen Harper's Rule Ending ?
From: Jim Lad
Date: 14 Oct 08 - 09:10 PM

Hey!
I found a site that's giving out the results.


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Stephen Harper's Rule Ending ?
From: Beer
Date: 14 Oct 08 - 09:11 PM

To switch the topic for a moment.

I recall when Dad would wait and see what the Liberal/Conservatives would offer before going to vote. And here is what I mean.
Knock, knock on the door. Mr Doucette if you come and vote for us today we will give you a lift and a box of chocolates. Knock, knock. Mr Doucette, if you come and vote for us today we will give you a lift to the poling station and a pint of the finest dark rum the Maritime's have to offer. Dad's reply would be; "Now will that be two pints?, for you see my wife is voting for you as well". Oh, for sure.

Well that is the way it was for a long time and that is the way dad voted. But tell the truth in the in between years the way he spoke about the Conservatives, I'm sure that is where the "X" went.

But to finish the story, one year Mum got wind of what was happening and when she found out that votes were being bought this way, Dad never got his second pint.
Adrien


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Stephen Harper's Rule Ending ?
From: meself
Date: 14 Oct 08 - 10:15 PM

CBC is calling it a Tory gov't ... what can yuh say? ...


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Stephen Harper's Rule Ending ?
From: GUEST,number 6
Date: 14 Oct 08 - 10:30 PM

it certainly looks like it ... very distressing.

I think Canada has made a big mistake tonite ... but all in all there have been gains for the Greens (small, but still significant). This at least will be a message for the future (I can only hope)

Boston losing 11 - 2 to Tampa Bay at the bottom of the 7th.

Damn ... what a gloomy evening.

biLL


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Stephen Harper's Rule Ending ?
From: Azizi
Date: 14 Oct 08 - 10:46 PM

Here's a dairy with links that folks may be interested in:

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/10/14/21361/261/864/630687

[Live Blog] Canadian Election Night w/ Results Links
by ZenMaster Coltrane
Tue Oct 14, 2008 at 06:44:34 PM PDT

"Canada's 40th General Election is upon us. Only polls in British Columbia and the Yukon remain open at this time. The number to watch is 155. That is the number of seats required to form a majority government . Results from Atlantic Canada are just starting to come in. As of right now

20 LIB
10 CON
5 NDP
1 BQ
1 OTH

ZenMaster Coltrane's diary :: ::
If anyone cares...feel free.

Here are some sites to view results that will begin coming in at 10:00 pm ET.

Elections Canada
http://enr.elections.ca/

CBC
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canadavotes/ridings/


SFU Election site
http://www.sfu.ca/~aheard/elections/results.html


The Parties & their Leaders

Conservative Party
Stephen Harper - Favored to win. Strong Presence in the West (Prairies and BC). Bush-lite. Basically, if the Conservatives make inroads in Ontario they will have a shot at a majority.

Liberal Party
Stephane Dion - Party of Pierre Trudeau. Favored to be the opposition party. Dion lacks the communicative skills of previous French Canadian Liberal leaders.

New Democratic Party
Jack Layton - Solid communicator heading a party that is spread too thin nationally...resulting in less seats than the popular vote suggests.

Green Party
Elizabeth May - I believe no Green MP has ever been elected.

Bloc Quebecois
Gille Duceppe - Federal party committed to the protection of Quebec and its sovereignty. Power is overrepresented because all of their vote is concentrated in Quebec. They got 10.5% of the national vote in 2006 as compared to 17.5% for the NDP yet the Bloc won 51 seats as compared to 29 for the NDP"...


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Stephen Harper's Rule Ending ?
From: Azizi
Date: 14 Oct 08 - 10:48 PM

Oh, have the results of the elections been called already?

My sympathies to you from one an American who doesn't know that much about Harper but what I know I don't like.


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Stephen Harper's Rule Ending ?
From: Peace
Date: 14 Oct 08 - 10:51 PM

It's like this with Harper. If Bush stopped short, the only thing that would keep Harper from going all the way in would be his shoulders.


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Stephen Harper's Rule Ending ?
From: Bee
Date: 14 Oct 08 - 10:59 PM

I still don't feel as depressed as I did the night Mulroney won the election, though.

That's gotta mean somethin'.


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Stephen Harper's Rule Ending ?
From: GUEST,number 6
Date: 14 Oct 08 - 11:17 PM

The one thing that concerns me with this election is the fact that the Liberals are who are the majority of the minority are weak, and unfocused, the Bloc are well, the Bloc and are only concerned about Quebec and then the New Dems are too small in seat holdings that they won't have a significant effect.

biLL


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Stephen Harper's Rule Ending ?
From: Bee
Date: 14 Oct 08 - 11:25 PM

The one thing I can say for the Bloc is that often what they want from the federal government(except when it comes to big job-making projects) is usually good for the rest of the country. I'm not that unhappy with the Bloc.

I'm much more unhappy with the ultra-conservative mindset that seems to be heavily concentrated in Ontario, Alberta and British Columbia. BC may have the big Mary jane farms, but they have a whackin huge number of Harper lovers, too.


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Stephen Harper's Rule Ending ?
From: bobad
Date: 14 Oct 08 - 11:29 PM

We can all bestow a little gratitude onto the BQ tonight for saving us from a Conservative majority, a small mercy but it could have been much worse.


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Stephen Harper's Rule Ending ?
From: GUEST,number 6
Date: 14 Oct 08 - 11:32 PM

Hmmm ... true Bobad, true.

biLL


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Stephen Harper's Rule Ending ?
From: Peace
Date: 14 Oct 08 - 11:35 PM

How'dit end up?


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Stephen Harper's Rule Ending ?
From: GUEST,number 6
Date: 14 Oct 08 - 11:36 PM

Well ... for us who voted Green or New Dems we shouldn't feel we threw our votes away ... these counts will provide some inspiration for the future (young) voters that there is some hope and need that the old guard (of the machine) must go. Hopefully the next time it will be different. It has to be.

biLL


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Stephen Harper's Rule Ending ?
From: GUEST,number 6
Date: 14 Oct 08 - 11:38 PM

at present ...

143 con
75 libs
50 bloc
38 ndp
2 other


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Stephen Harper's Rule Ending ?
From: Bee
Date: 14 Oct 08 - 11:39 PM

Next time I see Elizabeth, though, I'm givin' her a good boot in the arse. I'd like to see the woman win a seat, but she essentially blew that possibility by running against Mackay, and also likely screwed Louise Loredice out of more than a few votes. Elizabeth's people were literally trolling for NDP voters last week in my riding; I had two begging calls myself, with the 'just this once' line.


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Stephen Harper's Rule Ending ?
From: Peace
Date: 14 Oct 08 - 11:39 PM

This is one election wherein I voted my conscience.


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Stephen Harper's Rule Ending ?
From: GUEST,number 6
Date: 14 Oct 08 - 11:39 PM

make that

144 con
74 libs


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Stephen Harper's Rule Ending ?
From: GUEST,number 6
Date: 14 Oct 08 - 11:40 PM

me too

And that's the way it should be.


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Stephen Harper's Rule Ending ?
From: GUEST,number 6
Date: 14 Oct 08 - 11:42 PM

Bee ... That I found strange ... why she would run in the New Glasgow riding against the creep MacKay ... his family pretty well has that riding in their pocket.

Overall, I do admire her.


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Stephen Harper's Rule Ending ?
From: meself
Date: 15 Oct 08 - 12:19 AM

At least it's another minority ...


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Stephen Harper's Rule Ending ?
From: meself
Date: 15 Oct 08 - 12:27 AM

From what the talking heads are saying, it sounds like if Dion doesn't resign, his fellow-Liberals will have the long knives out for him. But who do they have that's any better?


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