Honesty's All Out of Fashion

Subject: Honesty's All Out of Fashion
From: johnadams
Date: 19 Oct 08 - 08:06 AM

I want to play a recording of this song on my radio show next Sunday but can't bring to mind who might have recorded it. I might well have a version in my record/cd collection but short of going through the lot........

Can anyone say where a recorded version might be located?

Chorus:
Honesty's all out of fashion
These are the rigs of the time, time, my boys
These are the rigs of the time.

Thanks,

J

Subject: RE: Honesty's All Out of Fashion
From: Emma B
Date: 19 Oct 08 - 08:14 AM

a starting point?

Subject: RE: Honesty's All Out of Fashion
From: Herga Kitty
Date: 19 Oct 08 - 08:18 AM

I seem to remember Mr Carthy singing this, so I googled and found Martin Carthy, Rigs of the Time: The Best of Martin Carthy,
Music Club MCCD 145 (CD, UK, 1993)
on this website Originally on Out of the Cut, 1982.

Kitty

Subject: RE: Honesty's All Out of Fashion
From: GUEST
Date: 19 Oct 08 - 08:22 AM

Great version on Bellowhead's 'Burlesque' CD.

Subject: RE: Honesty's All Out of Fashion
From: Fred McCormick
Date: 19 Oct 08 - 08:24 AM

Hi John,

It's on the Harry Cox compilation, The Bonny Labouring Boy. Topic TSCD 512D.

Cheers,

Fred.

Subject: RE: Honesty's All Out of Fashion
From: GUEST,Volgadon
Date: 19 Oct 08 - 08:27 AM

Bellowhead got it from Peter Bellamy's rendition, which, IMHO, is the definitive one.

Subject: RE: Honesty's All Out of Fashion
From: Emma B
Date: 19 Oct 08 - 08:27 AM

Bellowhead version Performed live on Jools Holland 1st December 2006

Subject: RE: Honesty's All Out of Fashion
From: johnadams
Date: 19 Oct 08 - 08:53 AM

Thanks for all that. Brilliant.

I Googled but not using 'Rigs of the Time' which is the more usual title.

I've got at least two of those on my shelf and can buy the Bellowhead version off iTunes if I want to get it quickly. Choices, choices!

Subject: RE: Honesty's All Out of Fashion
From: Will Fly
Date: 19 Oct 08 - 09:36 AM

Choices? Choices? Bellowhead! Bellowhead! :-)

Subject: RE: Honesty's All Out of Fashion
From: johnadams
Date: 19 Oct 08 - 01:06 PM

Bellowhead's is a good version ( and I love the bit where the brass goes into what sounds to me like 'West End Musical' mode) but I've already got a lot of Imagined Village and E2 programmed and I don't want too much 'up front' stuff.

And I really like Harry Cox's singing.

Subject: RE: Honesty's All Out of Fashion
From: Snuffy
Date: 19 Oct 08 - 02:02 PM

There is a version by Vic Harrup recorded at Blaxhall Ship in 1973. You can download it here

Subject: RE: Honesty's All Out of Fashion
From: Herga Kitty
Date: 19 Oct 08 - 06:32 PM

I'm glad that JA's request worked, but didn't Peter Bellamy get his version from Harry Cox....?

Kitty

Subject: RE: Honesty's All Out of Fashion
From: johnadams
Date: 19 Oct 08 - 06:46 PM

I'd be very surprised if he didn't Kitty. Harry Cox was one of Peter's stated all time heroes.

Subject: RE: Honesty's All Out of Fashion
From: johnadams
Date: 19 Oct 08 - 07:00 PM

Thanks for that link Snuffy. That's a great site and I never heard Vic Harrup before.

I understand that there is singing in the Blaxhall Ship once more though I've not had chance to check it out yet.

The last time I was in there was more than a decade ago when the skipper of our chartered Thames sailing barge got it up to the quay at Snape Maltings. We crew walked to Blaxhall carrying our instruments and met up with John and Katie Howson and others and took part in a session to die for.

The next evening we played on the quayside and a bunch of people who had come out of the classical music concert in the Maltings neglected to rejoin their concert after the interval and stayed out on the quay to listen to the music. I don't know what the concert was (probably very good) but it felt like 1-0 to us.

It's a world away from Bellowhead - I really like what they're doing but it's in a different world.

J

Subject: RE: Honesty's All Out of Fashion
From: Uncle_DaveO
Date: 19 Oct 08 - 08:49 PM

I really like Peter Bellamy's version.

Dave Oesterreich

Subject: RE: Honesty's All Out of Fashion
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 20 Oct 08 - 03:49 AM

It's all about the Peter Bellamy version for me.

Subject: RE: Honesty's All Out of Fashion
From: ClaireBear
Date: 20 Oct 08 - 12:08 PM

My band Cyderman's Fancy recorded it about forever ago (1985?). I can't at the moment remember whose version(s) we borrowed from, though I do remember working from texts too...I sang lead, and I rather liked the way it came out.

Anyway, it's available at my partner Jon Berger's site, on this page, in case you're interested. We only ever released it on cassette, so you'd certainly have a little-known version!

Cheers,
Claire

Subject: RE: Honesty's All Out of Fashion
From: Marje
Date: 20 Oct 08 - 03:59 PM

Shirley Collins has recorded it. Details here (and you can hear the full song too): http://www.last.fm/music/Shirley+Collins/_/The+Rigs+of+the+Time?autostart

Marje

Subject: RE: Honesty's All Out of Fashion
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 20 Oct 08 - 04:01 PM

The version on the Martin Carthy album which I have here, has different words I seem to remember. Rewritten to fit the politics of the time.

JM

Subject: RE: Honesty's All Out of Fashion
From: Emma B
Date: 20 Oct 08 - 04:10 PM

the link I posted on 19 Oct 08 - 08:14 AM gives updated lyrics by Martin Carthy and Maddy Prior as well as the versions sung by Shirley Collins, Sandy Denny etc...

Subject: RE: Honesty's All Out of Fashion
From: GUEST,Elwyn Maxon
Date: 20 Oct 08 - 11:30 PM

Michael Cooney does a fine job of this song on a Folk Legacy recording.
While Micheal is not my favorite performer he does exceptional well with this song.

EM

Subject: RE: Honesty's All Out of Fashion
From: GUEST,bman
Date: 21 Oct 08 - 12:12 AM

Joe Hickerson had a version that I expect was an American variant on one of his albums. I believe it was called "Hard Times." The tune was different and the words somewhat different also, but it was recognizably related. I don't find it in the Digitrad. Chorus went: For cheating has gotten so much in the fashion/I'm sure it'll spread all over the nation/and it's hard times.