Subject: RE: Memory Songs? From: open mike Date: 28 Oct 08 - 11:33 AM there aare some others, which when repeated you leave out a word each time and in some you replace with clapping or sign language.. such as: My hat it has 3 corners, 3 corners has my hat and had it not 3 corners it would not be my hat my (point to head) it has 3 corners... my (point to head) it has (hold up 3 fingers) corners my (point to head) it has (hold up 3 fingers) (point to elbow)...etc or: B I N G O ----- (X) = clap there was a farmer had a dog B I N G O was his name-o B I N G O, B I N G O, B I N G O* And B I N G O was his name-o.... * X I N G O X X N G O X X X G O X X X X O X X X X X |
Subject: RE: Memory Songs? From: Mr Happy Date: 28 Oct 08 - 05:53 AM .........& 'One man went to mow' |
Subject: RE: Memory Songs? From: Piers Plowman Date: 28 Oct 08 - 05:47 AM I seem to recall seeing several cumulative songs in Peter Kennedy's _Folk Songs of Britain and Northern Ireland_. |
Subject: RE: Memory Songs? From: Howard Kaplan Date: 25 Oct 08 - 10:58 PM Let me suggest Martin Graebe's "Harry the Hawker" [is dead]. However, you need the Sibelius Scorch plug-in to see, hear, or print it on that web page. Alternatively, there's a posting of the lyrics and of the ABC-notated melody here, on Mudcat. I was quite surprised to see who had posted the ABC notation there, as I had no recollection of having done so before I saw my own name attached to it! |
Subject: RE: Memory Songs? From: Bill D Date: 25 Oct 08 - 11:57 AM Here is one I stole from a Jean Ritchie/Oscar Brand LP 40+ years ago, and added & tweaked it a bit with a verse I found in a book. There is a shorter, slightly different version in the Database, but this is burned into my brain cells this way..... I encourage the audience to sing with me on the chorus...some even mangage thru 3 verses....
Oh...yes, I DO insist they sing "IS gone"... *grin* |
Subject: RE: Memory Songs? From: GUEST Date: 25 Oct 08 - 10:15 AM How about "The Barley Mow" or, for a younger audience "There was an Old Woman (who swallowed a fly)? W |
Subject: RE: Memory Songs? From: kendall Date: 25 Oct 08 - 07:10 AM There's a hole in the bottom of the sea |
Subject: RE: Memory Songs? From: Piers Plowman Date: 25 Oct 08 - 06:03 AM It occurred to me that this sort of song is called "cumulative" and I found this short article, with the titles of a few songs, on Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cumulative_song |
Subject: RE: Memory Songs? From: Joe Offer Date: 25 Oct 08 - 02:39 AM Hi, Seamus - Mudcatter Stewart posted lyrics and a MIDI here (click) on his Website. I copied his tune, verified it with Song Fest (1955) and added it to the Digital Tradition entry. |
Subject: RE: Memory Songs? From: Seamus Kennedy Date: 25 Oct 08 - 12:48 AM JT in SD: That Thais is brilliant with its internal rhymes. Do you have a tune for it? It's the kind of thing Mark Graham does so well nowadays. Seamus |
Subject: RE: Memory Songs? From: SPB-Cooperator Date: 24 Oct 08 - 06:41 PM I went to market Herrings Heads |
Subject: RE: Memory Songs? From: Stringsinger Date: 24 Oct 08 - 05:48 PM These songs are sometimes called "laundry list" songs. Oscar Brand's "When I First Came To This Land", the early Germanic/Dutch "There's a Hole In My Bucket", "I Had a Rooster" sung by Pete Seeger and Sam Hinton's "I Had A Bird And the Bird Please Me" (with animal noises), "Ich Bin Der Musikant" (with the various instrument sounds), The "Schitzelbank Song" (on the same order)....some ideas. Frank Hamilton |
Subject: RE: Memory Songs? From: Willa Date: 24 Oct 08 - 05:43 PM Volgadon; intriguing - Chad gadya resemles a verse my mother used to recite about an old woman who couldn't get her pig to jump over the stile. She went through a long list of requests including 'stick beat dog, fire burn the stick, water quench the fire, ox drink up the water, butcher kill the ox. All ended happily and she did 'get home to get the old man's supper'! |
Subject: RE: Memory Songs? From: GUEST,TJ in San Diego Date: 24 Oct 08 - 05:07 PM I can't believe I still remember nearly all the verses of this one after fifty-odd (very odd) years. Thais:^^^ With a sort of Persian market feeling - One time in Alexandria, In wicked Alexandria, Where nights were wild with revelry and life was but a game, There lived, so the report is, an adventuress and courtesan, The pride of Alexandria, and Thais was her name. Nearby in peace and piety, avoiding all society, There dwelt a band of holy men who'd built a refuge there; And in the desert's solitude, they spurned all earthly folly To devote their lives to holy works, to fasting and to prayer. Now one monk, whom I solely mention, of this band of holy men; His name was Athanael, he was famous near and far. At fasting bouts or prayer with him, no other could compare with him. At grand and lofty praying, he could do the course in par. One night, while sleeping heavily, from wrestling with the devil He had gone to bed exhausted while the sun was shining still. He had a vision freudian and, though he was annoyed, He analyzed in the well-known style of doctors Jung and Brill. He dreamed of Alexandria, of wicked Alexandria; A crowd of men were cheering in a manner rather rude, As Thais, who was dancing there, and Athanael glancing there, Observed her do the shimmy in what artists call the nude. Says he, "This dream fantastical disturbs my thoughts monastical, Some unsuppressed desire, I fear, has found my monkish cell. I blushed up to the hat of me, to view that girl's anatomy - I'll go to Alexandria and save her soul from hell." So, pausing not to wonder where he'd left his summer underwear, He quickly packed his evening clothes, a tootbrush and a vest. To guard against exposure, he threw on some woolen hosiery, And, bidding all the boys goodbye, he started on his quest. The Monk, though warned and fortified, was deeply shocked and mortified, To find, on his arrival, wild debauchery in sway. While some were in a stupor sent by booze of over two percent, The others were behaving in a most immoral way. He says to Thais, "Pardon me, although this quest goes hard on me; I've got to put you wise to what I've come down here to tell. Cut out this pie-eyed retinue, what's all this sousin' gettin' you? Let's hit the trail together, kid, and save your soul from hell." Although this bold admonishment caused Thais some astonishment, She quickly answered, "Say, you said a heaping mouthful, beau. This burg's a drag, I'm tellin' you; the brand of hooch they're sellin' you Ain't like the stuff we used to get, so let's pack up and go!" So forth from Alexandria, from wicked Alexandria, Across the desert sands they go, beneath the blazing sun; Till Thais, parched and sweltering, finds refuge in the sheltering Seclusion of a convent - in the habit of a nun! And now the Monk is terrified to find his fears are verified. His holy vows of chastity have cracked beneath the strain. Like one who has a jag on, he cries out in grief and agony, "I'd sell my soul to see her do the shimmy once again!"^^^ This could, of course, be accompanied by a bouzouki or oud, if so inclined - perhaps even a mandolin. I opt for the guitar myself. Click to play |
Subject: RE: Memory Songs? From: GUEST,Gerry Date: 23 Oct 08 - 08:45 PM There's a John Warner song, Devlin's General Store, recorded by him and Margaret Walters on the album, Pithead in the Fern. Lyrics available at http://www.folkjohnwarner.com/lyrics.htm |
Subject: RE: Memory Songs? From: Mr Happy Date: 23 Oct 08 - 11:01 AM http://www.piyut.org.il/english/ |
Subject: RE: Memory Songs? From: topical tom Date: 23 Oct 08 - 10:54 AM "Remember Song" by Tom Rush. |
Subject: RE: Memory Songs? From: Mr Happy Date: 23 Oct 08 - 10:53 AM No, keep getting this: The webpage cannot be found HTTP 404 Most likely causes: There might be a typing error in the address. If you clicked on a link, it may be out of date. What you can try: Retype the address. Go back to the previous page. Go to and look for the information you want. More information This error (HTTP 404 Not Found) means that Internet Explorer was able to connect to the website, but the page you wanted was not found. It's possible that the webpage is temporarily unavailable. Alternatively, the website might have changed or removed the webpage. For more information about HTTP errors, see Help. |
Subject: RE: Memory Songs? From: GUEST,Volgadon Date: 23 Oct 08 - 10:50 AM www.piyut.org.il/english Type Chad Gadya in the search. |
Subject: RE: Memory Songs? From: Mr Happy Date: 23 Oct 08 - 10:26 AM GUEST,Volgadon, Thanks for your input so far, unfortunately I'm unable to get your links to work |
Subject: RE: Memory Songs? From: sian, west wales Date: 23 Oct 08 - 10:20 AM Suffolk Miracle's translation is fine, Is there another goat? Yes, not yet milked, On the sharp rocks The old goat roams. A white, white, white goat, Yes, white mouthed, bald whitetailed, bald whitetailed, White shoulder and tail, White, white,white. Then black, red, and blue (grey). The one generally known is probably my least favourite Welsh traditional song, largely because it was the only one people ever used to sing socially. There are around 17 Welsh goat-counting songs and some of them are crackin' good. sian |
Subject: RE: Memory Songs? From: SINSULL Date: 23 Oct 08 - 10:13 AM Dem Bones |
Subject: RE: Memory Songs? From: Piers Plowman Date: 23 Oct 08 - 10:11 AM "I Have a Song to Sing-O" from "The Yeoman of the Guard" by Gilbert and Sullivan. |
Subject: RE: Memory Songs? From: GUEST,Volgadon Date: 23 Oct 08 - 09:57 AM Don't be afraid to adapt the melodies, or come up with your own. These are by no means rigid. Different traditions emphasize different parts of the words. Here is Chad Gadya from different Jewish communities, not all sung in Aramaic. In order to listen, click on the ear on each page. This site is amazing, most of the audio is field recordings. www.piyut.org.il/cgi-bin/search.pl?Expression=chad+gadya&lang=en |
Subject: RE: Memory Songs? From: GUEST,Volgadon Date: 23 Oct 08 - 09:01 AM There are many different melodies to Chad Gadya. The MIDI (2nd from bottom) on this page is similar to what I used to sing. yeladudim.media4u.co.il/PESAH/pesah.htm |
Subject: RE: Memory Songs? From: GUEST,Suffolk Miracle Date: 23 Oct 08 - 08:55 AM VERY roughly (I'm sure a proper Welsh speaker will send in a thousand corrections): Are there any more goats to milk? There's an old one mooching around on the craggs and rocks. Its a white, white, white one With a white mouth, white mouth, white mouth And a white tail, white tail A white arse and back White white white. Then ddu is black, goch is red and las is blue. |
Subject: RE: Memory Songs? From: Mr Happy Date: 23 Oct 08 - 08:45 AM GUEST,Suffolk Miracle, Thanks, is there an English version of 'Gafr wen, wen, wen'? |
Subject: RE: Memory Songs? From: GUEST,Suffolk Miracle Date: 23 Oct 08 - 08:36 AM The Barley Mow. Or, if your Welsh is up to it, try counting coloured goats: Oes gafr eto? Oes heb ei godro, Ar y creigiau geirwon mae'r hen afr yn crwydro. Gafr wen, wen, wen, Ie finwen, finwen, finwen, Foel gynffonwen, foel gynffonwen Ystlys wen a chynffon, Wen, wen, wen. Oes gafr eto? Oes heb ei godro, Ar y creigiau geirwon mae'r hen afr yn crwydro. Gafr ddu, ddu, ddu Ie finddu, finddu, finddu, Foel gynffonddu, foel gynffonddu Ystlys ddu a chynffon, Ddu, ddu, ddu. Gafr wen, wen, wen, Ie finwen, finwen, finwen, Foel gynffonwen, foel gynffonwen Ystlys wen a chynffon, Wen, wen, wen. Oes gafr eto? Oes heb ei godro, Ar y creigiau geirwon mae'r hen afr yn crwydro. Gafr goch, goch, goch Ie fingoch, fingoch, fingoch, Foel gynffongoch, foel gynffongoch Ystlys goch a chynffon, Goch, goch, goch. Gafr ddu, ddu, ddu Ie finddu, finddu, finddu, Foel gynffonddu, foel gynffonddu Ystlys ddu a chynffon, Ddu, ddu, ddu. Gafr wen, wen, wen, Ie finwen, finwen, finwen, Foel gynffonwen, foel gynffonwen Ystlys wen a chynffon, Wen, wen, wen. Oes gafr eto? Oes heb ei godro, Ar y creigiau geirwon mae'r hen afr yn crwydro. Gafr las, las, las Ie finlas, finlas, finlas, Foel gynffonlas, foel gynffonlas Ystlys las a chynffon, Las, las, las. Gafr goch, goch, goch Ie fingoch, fingoch, fingoch, Foel gynffongoch, foel gynffongoch Ystlys goch a chynffon, Goch, goch, goch. Gafr ddu, ddu, ddu Ie finddu, finddu, finddu, Foel gynffonddu, foel gynffonddu Ystlys ddu a chynffon, Ddu, ddu, ddu. Gafr wen, wen, wen, Ie finwen, finwen, finwen, Foel gynffonwen, foel gynffonwen Ystlys wen a chynffon, Wen, wen, wen. |
Subject: RE: Memory Songs? From: Mr Happy Date: 23 Oct 08 - 07:57 AM http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chad_Gadya Where can I find the tune for 'Chad Gadya' ? |
Subject: RE: Memory Songs? From: SINSULL Date: 23 Oct 08 - 07:47 AM The 12 Days Of Christmas which often sends me running screaming intot he streets. |
Subject: RE: Memory Songs? From: Mr Happy Date: 23 Oct 08 - 07:45 AM Thanks, sounds similar theme to 'I know an old lady who swallowed a fly' |
Subject: RE: Memory Songs? From: GUEST,Volgadon Date: 23 Oct 08 - 07:40 AM Chad Gadia, the children's Passover song. Father buys a kid (goat, not human) for two coins, the cat ate the kid, the dog ate the cat, the stick beat the dog, the fire burned the stick, the water quenched the fire, the ox drank up the water, the butcher slaughtered the ox, the angel of death killed the butcher and God killed the angel of death. |
Subject: Memory Songs? From: Mr Happy Date: 23 Oct 08 - 07:34 AM Memory Songs? In my repertoire, I쳌fve a number of songs, which fit this category, such as: Rattling bog Green grow the rushes oh When I first came to this land The green grass grew all around King Caractacus Old McDonald These songs all have the element of needing to memorise all the preceding verses & then sing them back in sequential order. They always go down well for all kinds쳌fve audiences, & therefore I쳌fm looking to expand my range of these. I쳌fm also interested in gaining more audience participation 쳌eaction쳌f songs, such as 쳌eUnderneath the spreading chestnut tree쳌f, Anyone have more? |
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