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Subject: James Madison Carpenter shanties
From: Abby Sale
Date: 27 Oct 08 - 07:33 AM

My nephew, Mark, sends this link to some BBC notes on the Ediphone cylinders.    It just gives the bare mention of what looks like a very valuable set of field records of shanties.

Looks very interesting.

Anyone know more about it? Texts online, etc?


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Subject: RE: James Madison Carpenter shanties
From: GUEST
Date: 27 Oct 08 - 07:46 AM

The James Madison Carpenter Collection Online Catalogue


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Subject: RE: James Madison Carpenter shanties
From: Snuffy
Date: 27 Oct 08 - 09:41 AM

General discussion in this thread Lyr Req: James M. Carpenter Shanties & Sea Songs, plus many threads on individual songs or singers:

Lyr Add: James Salters' 'A Long Time Ago'
Lyr Add: Scott's 'Can't You Dance the Polka?'
Lyr Req: Fire Down Below/William Fender Version
Lyr Req: Don't Touch the Bumble Bee
Lyr Req: Tiger Bay (sea shanty)
Lyr Req: Bulgine - NYC fire
Lyr Add: The Hat McGinnis Wore (Australian)
Lyr Add: Tom's Gone to Hilo
Maid of Australia

etc, etc, ...


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Subject: RE: James Madison Carpenter shanties
From: Snuffy
Date: 27 Oct 08 - 09:45 AM

And if you look at the Overview page on the Carpenter Collection website, you will see that the 800 shanties & sea songs were only a small fraction of his collection, with 4000 versions of Child Ballads, 500 folk plays, etc


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Subject: RE: James Madison Carpenter shanties
From: Abby Sale
Date: 27 Oct 08 - 03:06 PM

Well, now I know what is known. Thank you.

I'll keep a eye out.


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Subject: RE: James Madison Carpenter shanties
From: dick greenhaus
Date: 27 Oct 08 - 03:31 PM

About 100 or so of Carpenter's field recordings of sea music are available on CD--Folktrax 141 and 142.
Tracklists :

Folktrax 141 1. LOWLANDS (AWAY) William Fender, Barry - 1'30"

2. LUCY ANNA (a) James Dwyer, Glasgow (b) J.S.Scott, London (cry at end) - 1'53"

3. McGUINNESS (or THE HAT McGUINNESS WORE) James Dwyer, Glasgow - 1'19"

4. THE MAID OF AUSTRALIA Robert Yeaman, Dundee - 0'54"

5. MAINSAIL HAUL (or PADDY LAY BACK) John Vass, Shandwick, Invergordon, E.Ross - 1'02"


6. MARY'S ON THE ISLAND Mark Page, Sunderland - 0'39"

7. MIND HOW YOU SWING YOUR TAIL John Middleton, Leith - 0'29"

8. MONEY-O Mark Page, Sunderland - 0'48"

9. NOTHING BUT A HUMBUG Rees Baldwin, Barry - 0'43"

10. THE OAK AND THE ASH (a) William Rennie, S.Shields (first verse) (b) James Forman, Leith (last verse) - 1'03"

11. ONE MORE DAY Andrew Salters, Greenock, Renfrewsh - 0'45"

12. PADDY DOYLE'S BOOTS (a) Andrew Salters, Greenock, Renfrewsh (b) Edward Robinson, Sunderland - 0'34"

13. PADDY WORKS ON THE RAILWAY Mark Page, Sunderland (2 v only) - 0'44"

14. POOR LITTLE LIZA J.B.Scott, London - 0'48"

15. POOR OLD MAN (or THE DEAD HORSE SHANTY) (a) Andrew Salters, Greenock, Renfrewsh (b) James Henderson, Dundee - 1'03"

16. POWDER MONKEY JIM William Rennie, S.Shields - 0'52"

17. RAMBLING THROUGH WAPPING John Ferries, S.Shields - 1'24"

18. RANZO BOYS (a) Walter Eades, Edinburgh (b) Jack Murray, Aberdeen (c) David Atkinson, Glasgow (d) Thomas Carfrae, Sunderland - 1'58"

19. RANZO RAY (a) Jimmy Cronin (b) Jack Murray (c) James Wright, Leith - 1'58"

20. RATCLIFFE HIGHWAY Jimmy Cronin, London - 1'16"

21. RIO GRANDE Mark Page, Sunderland - 0'44"

22. ROLL THE CHARIOT ALONG George Simpson, Dundee - 0'30"

23. ROLL THE COTTON DOWN J.S.Scott, London - 0'46"

24. ROLLING HOME John Macpherson, S.Shields - 0'50"

25. RUN WITH THE BULLGINE, RUN (a) Jack Murray, Aberdeen (b) James Forman. Leith - 1'20"

26. SACRAMENTO J.S.Scott, London - 1'03"

27. THE SAILOR'S ALPHABET (A-H) (a) William Farquhar, Maud, Aberdeenshire (b) William Rennie, S.Shields - 1'24"

28. THE SAILOR'S WAY George Simpson - 1'28"

29. SALLY BROWN (a) J.S.Scott, London (b) Robert Yeaman, Dundee (c) James Henderson, Dundee (d) George Simpson, Dundee - 3'00"

30. SANTY ANNA (a) Jimmy Cronin, London (b) William Fender, Barry - 1'27"

31. SAUCY ROSABELLA J.S.Scott, London - 0'54"

32. SHALLOW BROWN (a) William Fender, Barry (b) John Middleton, Leith (c) Thomas Carfrae, Sunderland (d) Alex Henderson, Dundee - 2'53"

33. SHENANDOAH Jack Murray, Aberdeen - 0'40"

34. SOUTH AUSTRALIA (a) Rees Baldwin, Barry (b) J.S.Scott, London - 2'28"

35. THE STATE OF ALABAMA James Moncrieff, Dundee - 1'29"

36. THE STATELY SOUTHERNER (or PAUL JONES) Rees Baldwin, Barry - 0'40"

37. STORMALONG (a) William Fender, Barry (b) Edward Robinson, Sunderland - 1'16"

38. TALLY-I-O James Wright, Leith - 0'45"

39. TAPSCOTT (a) Rees Baldwin, Barry (b) John Ferries, S. Shields - 1'38"

40. TEN STONE TEN Alex Blue, Greenock - 0'40"

41. TIGER BAY (a) John Ferries, S. Shields (b) James Forman, Leith - 3'54"

42. VICTORIO (a) James Dwyer, Glasgow (b) Andrew Salters, Greenock, Renfrewsh (with chorus) (c) Mark Page, Sunderland - 1'30"

43. WALKALONG, YOU SAUCY ANNA William Fender, Barry - 0'46"

44. WE'RE ALL BOUND TO GO (or HEAVE AWAY, MY JOHNNY) William Fender, Barry - 1'20"

45. WHISKY JOHNNY (a) Mark Page, Sunderland (b) Robert Yeaman, Dundee (c) John Middleton, Leith - 1'35"

46. WINDY OLD WEATHER William Fender, Barry - 0'21"

47. YO, HEAVE HO Jimmy Cronin, London - 1'57"

Folktrax 142

1. LOWLANDS (AWAY) William Fender, Barry - 1'30"

2. LUCY ANNA (a) James Dwyer, Glasgow (b) J.S.Scott, London (cry at end) - 1'53"

3. McGUINNESS (or THE HAT McGUINNESS WORE) James Dwyer, Glasgow - 1'19"

4. THE MAID OF AUSTRALIA Robert Yeaman, Dundee - 0'54"

5. MAINSAIL HAUL (or PADDY LAY BACK) John Vass, Shandwick, Invergordon, E.Ross - 1'02"

6. MARY'S ON THE ISLAND Mark Page, Sunderland - 0'39"

7. MIND HOW YOU SWING YOUR TAIL John Middleton, Leith - 0'29"

8. MONEY-O Mark Page, Sunderland - 0'48"

9. NOTHING BUT A HUMBUG Rees Baldwin, Barry - 0'43"

10. THE OAK AND THE ASH (a) William Rennie, S.Shields (first verse) (b) James Forman, Leith (last verse) - 1'03"

11. ONE MORE DAY Andrew Salters, Greenock, Renfrewsh - 0'45"

12. PADDY DOYLE'S BOOTS (a) Andrew Salters, Greenock, Renfrewsh (b) Edward Robinson, Sunderland - 0'34"

13. PADDY WORKS ON THE RAILWAY Mark Page, Sunderland (2 v only) - 0'44"

14. POOR LITTLE LIZA J.B.Scott, London - 0'48"

15. POOR OLD MAN (or THE DEAD HORSE SHANTY) (a) Andrew Salters, Greenock, Renfrewsh (b) James Henderson, Dundee - 1'03"

16. POWDER MONKEY JIM William Rennie, S.Shields - 0'52"

17. RAMBLING THROUGH WAPPING John Ferries, S.Shields - 1'24"

18. RANZO BOYS (a) Walter Eades, Edinburgh (b) Jack Murray, Aberdeen (c) David Atkinson, Glasgow (d) Thomas Carfrae, Sunderland - 1'58"

19. RANZO RAY (a) Jimmy Cronin (b) Jack Murray (c) James Wright, Leith - 1'58"

20. RATCLIFFE HIGHWAY Jimmy Cronin, London - 1'16"

21. RIO GRANDE Mark Page, Sunderland - 0'44"

22. ROLL THE CHARIOT ALONG George Simpson, Dundee - 0'30"

23. ROLL THE COTTON DOWN J.S.Scott, London - 0'46"

24. ROLLING HOME John Macpherson, S.Shields - 0'50"

25. RUN WITH THE BULLGINE, RUN (a) Jack Murray, Aberdeen (b) James Forman. Leith - 1'20"

26. SACRAMENTO J.S.Scott, London - 1'03"

27. THE SAILOR'S ALPHABET (A-H) (a) William Farquhar, Maud, Aberdeenshire (b) William Rennie, S.Shields - 1'24"

28. THE SAILOR'S WAY George Simpson - 1'28"

29. SALLY BROWN (a) J.S.Scott, London (b) Robert Yeaman, Dundee (c) James Henderson, Dundee (d) George Simpson, Dundee - 3'00"

30. SANTY ANNA (a) Jimmy Cronin, London (b) William Fender, Barry - 1'27"

31. SAUCY ROSABELLA J.S.Scott, London - 0'54"

32. SHALLOW BROWN (a) William Fender, Barry (b) John Middleton, Leith (c) Thomas Carfrae, Sunderland (d) Alex Henderson, Dundee - 2'53"

33. SHENANDOAH Jack Murray, Aberdeen - 0'40"

34. SOUTH AUSTRALIA (a) Rees Baldwin, Barry (b) J.S.Scott, London - 2'28"

35. THE STATE OF ALABAMA James Moncrieff, Dundee - 1'29"

36. THE STATELY SOUTHERNER (or PAUL JONES) Rees Baldwin, Barry - 0'40"

37. STORMALONG (a) William Fender, Barry (b) Edward Robinson, Sunderland - 1'16"

38. TALLY-I-O James Wright, Leith - 0'45"

39. TAPSCOTT (a) Rees Baldwin, Barry (b) John Ferries, S. Shields - 1'38"

40. TEN STONE TEN Alex Blue, Greenock - 0'40"

41. TIGER BAY (a) John Ferries, S. Shields (b) James Forman, Leith - 3'54"

42. VICTORIO (a) James Dwyer, Glasgow (b) Andrew Salters, Greenock, Renfrewsh (with chorus) (c) Mark Page, Sunderland - 1'30"

43. WALKALONG, YOU SAUCY ANNA William Fender, Barry - 0'46"

44. WE'RE ALL BOUND TO GO (or HEAVE AWAY, MY JOHNNY) William Fender, Barry - 1'20"

45. WHISKY JOHNNY (a) Mark Page, Sunderland (b) Robert Yeaman, Dundee (c) John Middleton, Leith - 1'35"

46. WINDY OLD WEATHER William Fender, Barry - 0'21"

47. YO, HEAVE HO Jimmy Cronin, London - 1'57"

Recorded by James Carpenter

Sound quality is pretty awful--what you'd expect from dictaphone recordings back in the 1920s.

Oh yes, they're available from CAMSCO Music. Of course.


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Subject: RE: James Madison Carpenter shanties
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 27 Oct 08 - 04:35 PM

Dick,
Just a reminder;
The J M Carpenter material in the Folktrax catalogue was stolen by Peter Kennedy.
He was asked to review the collection by EFDSS and, at the request of the librarian (and against my better judgement), I made copies of the recorded material. Of course, it made its way into the catalogue and has remained there since.
I don't know if the people who are (legitimately) working on the collection are aware of the situation, but they should be informed, and permission should be sought by the owners.
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: James Madison Carpenter shanties
From: shipcmo
Date: 24 Apr 10 - 12:11 PM

refresh


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Subject: RE: James Madison Carpenter shanties
From: shipcmo
Date: 21 Dec 10 - 12:26 PM

As I muddle along with my "Great Exercise in Futility", i.e., an Index of First Lines for Shanties & Sea Songs, I came upon the following:
From the James Madison Carpenter Collection Online Catalog:
Page 03139 : The Ship That Never Returned [song text] James Dwyer (contributor)
Genre         song - forebitter
First line        Twas a summer morn and the waves did ripple

AND,
From the Frank C. Brown Collection of North Carolina Folklore
Volume II, page 507: The Ship That Never Returned
First Line   On a summer day, as the waves were rippling

Are the Carpenter texts available anywhere?
Cheers,
Geo


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Subject: RE: James Madison Carpenter shanties
From: RTim
Date: 21 Dec 10 - 12:44 PM

At present - Only if you talk nicely to Bob Walser!!
Hopefully they will be online sometime - Bob?

Tim Radford


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Subject: RE: James Madison Carpenter shanties
From: dick greenhaus
Date: 21 Dec 10 - 01:30 PM

Bob Walser has released a CD of sea songs from the Madison Collection. Good stuff. Available from CAMSCO. Of course.


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Subject: RE: James Madison Carpenter shanties
From: shipcmo
Date: 31 Dec 10 - 07:28 AM

Just finished reviewing Bob's renditions. Well Done! This is the first "new" set in 40 years. A must for those who take their Sea Music seriously.

Cheers,

Geo


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Subject: RE: James Madison Carpenter shanties
From: *#1 PEASANT*
Date: 31 Dec 10 - 07:43 AM

You will have to get in touch with the AFC at the Library of Congress.
I did wassail research with the material a while back. Was supposed to be digitized and on line by now but no sign yet.

Conrad


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Subject: RE: James Madison Carpenter shanties
From: doc.tom
Date: 31 Dec 10 - 09:07 AM

As this thread has re-surfaced, can I draw people's attention to Jim Carroll's message above - it still applies! I remember it happening at the time the recordings came via the Western Region Office of EFDSS on their way from the Library of Congress.


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Subject: RE: James Madison Carpenter shanties
From: shipcmo
Date: 01 Jan 11 - 01:53 PM

Here are the tracks from Bob Walser's CD "Outward Bound":

1. I Joined a Ship - George Simpson
2. Poor Little Liza - J S Scott
3. Be Handy - John Harris
4. Hilo, Johnny, Hilo - Rees Baldwin
5. Ranzo - Walter Ede
6. The Bridget Ann - Charles Snellen
7. Down in those Valleys - William Fender
8. Allie Go Day - John Ferries(Gerries)
9. Haul Away Rosy - Rees Baldwin
10. Donnelly and the Goat - George Simpson
11. Tom Pepper - Edward b Trumbull
12. Tall I O - James Wright
13. Hoist Her up from Down Below - J S Scott
14. Tiger Bay - John Ferries
15. Saucy Anna - William Fender
16. Our Anchor is Up to the Bow - Jimmie Cronin


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Subject: RE: James Madison Carpenter shanties
From: shipcmo
Date: 01 Jan 11 - 01:58 PM

While I'm at it, here are the Carpenter tracks from Bob's previous CD "When Our Ship Comes Home":

1. Down Trinidad - Richard Warner
2. Fire Down Below - William Fender
3. Here We Come Home in a Leaky Ship
4. You're Nothin' but a Humbug - Rees Baldwin


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Subject: RE: James Madison Carpenter shanties
From: shipcmo
Date: 01 Jan 11 - 02:11 PM

BTW Dick never corrected the posting of the Folktrax tracks, where he posted 142 twice, so here is 141:

1. A-ROVING (a) John Middleton, Leith (b) Jack Murray, Aberdeen - 1'24"

2. ABRAHAM BROWN James Dyer, Glasgow - 1'49"

3. ALL FOR THE GROG James Henderson, Dundee - 0'27"

4. THE BANKS OF NEWFOUNDLAND William Rennie, South Shields, Durham - 2'15"

5. BLOW, BOYS, BLOW J.S.Scott, London (with cry of "belay" at end) - 2'35"

6. BLOW HIGH, BLOW LOW George Simpson, Dundee - 0'58"

7. BLOW THE MAN DOWN (a) Jimmy Cronin, London (b) James Moncrieff, Dundee - 1'58"

8. THE BOLD PRINCESS ROYAL Thomas Moore, South Shields, Durham - 2'10"

9. BONEY James Forman - 1'25"

10. THE BOTTLE-O James Wright, Leith - 0'24"

11. BULLY IN THE ALLEY James Forman, Leith - 0'39"

12. CAN'T YOU DANCE THE POLKA J.S.Scott, London (with cry at end) - 1'21"

13. CHEER UP, Mrs. RILEY Andrew Salters, Greenock, Renfrewsh - 2'21"

14. CHEERILY MEN Edward Robinson, Sunderland, Durham - 0'28"

15. THE CUMBERLAND'S CREW James Henderson, Dundee - 0'26"

16. DOWN IN THOSE VALLEYS DOWN BELOW William Fender, Barry, S.Wales - 1'31"

17. THE DRUNKEN SAILOR (a) John Macpherson, S. Shields (b) George Simpson, Dundee (c) James Dwyer, Glasgow - 1'13"

18. THE FEMALE CABIN-BOY (a) James Forman, Leith (b) Jimmy Cronin, London (2v each) - 1'35"

19. FIRE DOWN BELOW (a) Alex Blue, Greenock (b) James Wright, Leith (c) Jack Murray, Aberdeen (d) William Rennie, S.Shields (e) Edward Robinson, Sunderland, Durham (f) William Fender, Barry, S.Wales - 2'48"

20. THE GIRL WITH THE BLUE DRESS ON James Wright, Leith - 0'55"

21. GO TO SEA ONCE MORE John Vass, Shandwick, Invergordon, E. Ross - 0'44"

22. THE GOLDEN VANITY (a) George Simpson, Dundee (b) James Forman, Leith - 2'36"

23. GOODBYE John Macpherson, S.Shields - 0'25"

24. GOODBYE, FARE YOU WELL Jack Murray, Aberdeen - 0'42"

25. HANDY, ME BOYS, SO HANDY John Middleton, Leith - 0'29"

26. HANGING JOHNNY Andrew Salters, Greenock, Renfrewsh - 0'34"

27. HAUL AWAY, JOE (a) William Fender, Barry (b) Jimmy Cronin, London (c) Rees Baldwin, Barry - 2'47"

28. HAUL AWAY, ROSIE Rees Baldwin, Barry - 1'04"

29. HAUL ON THE BOWLIN' William Fender, Barry - 0'28"

30. HIGHLAND LADDIE/ LASSIE (1v each) (a) James Dwyer, Glasgow (b) Andrew Salters, Greenock, Renfrewsh (c) H.J.Hammond, Sunderland (d) Thomas Carfrae (e) John Macpherson, S.Shields (cry at end) - 2'07"

31. HILLY HALLY HO John Middleton, Leith - 1'52"

32. HILO MAN William Fender, Barry - 0'59"

33. THE HOGS-EYE MAN (a) Mark Page, Sunderland (b) Edward Robinson, Sunderland (c) Rees Baldwin, Barry - 1'24"

34. HOIST HER UP FROM DOWN BELOW J.S.Scott, London - 0'49"

35. HUMBALINA Robert Yeaman - 0'18"

36. A HUNDRED YEARS AGO (a) Edward Robinson, Sunderland (b) William Fender, Barry - 0'57"

37. JAMBOREE (a) Jack Murray, Aberdeen (b) Rees Baldwin, Barry (c) Jimmy Cronin, London - 0'58"

38. JOHNNY BOWKER (a) Alex Blue, Greenock (b) George Simpson, Dundee - 0'52"

39. JOHNNY COME DOWN TO HILO Rees Baldwin, Barry - 0'52"

40. JOHN'S (TOM'S) GONE TO HILO (a) Rees Baldwin, Barry (b) Alex Henderson, Dundee (c) J.S.Scott, London (cry at end) - 1'51"

41. JOHNNY HALL (recitation - version of SAM HALL) John Macpherson - 0'53"

42. JUBER, MIND THE BEE Andrew Salters, Greenock, Renfrewsh - 0'58"

43. JULIE (a) John Macpherson, Sunderland (b) Alex Blue, Greenock - 1'06"

44. THE LEAKY SHIP William Fender, Barry - 0'30"

45. LEAVE HER, JOHNNY (a) Jack Murray, Aberdeen (b) Mark Page, Sunderland - 1'30"

46. (A) LONG TIME AGO Andrew Salters, Greenock, Renfrewsh (cry at end) - 1'59"


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Subject: RE: James Madison Carpenter shanties
From: shipcmo
Date: 01 Jan 11 - 02:26 PM

And, as a List Maker, here are the texts that are available here on Mudcat.

A Long Time Ago: Salters
Blow The Man Down: Garricy
Can't You Dance the Polka?: Scott
Down Trinidad: Warner [2 versions]
Cheer Up, Mrs. Riley: Salters
Fire Down Below: Fender
Johnny's' Gone to Hilo: Baldwin
Lowlands: Fender
Nothin' but a Humbug: Baldwin
Run, Let The Bulgine, Run: Murray
Run With The Bulgine, Run: Forman
Tiger Bay: Gerries(Ferries)
Tom's Gone to Hilo: Scott
Tom's Gone to Ilo : Scott


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Subject: RE: James Madison Carpenter shanties
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 01 Jan 11 - 03:29 PM

Bob Walser site, with his lyrics:

Bob Walser


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Subject: RE: James Madison Carpenter shanties
From: Gibb Sahib
Date: 02 Jan 11 - 05:51 AM

Good lists, Geo, thanks.


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Subject: RE: James Madison Carpenter shanties
From: shipcmo
Date: 03 Jan 11 - 08:37 AM

The wonders of the Internet!

Trade Winds Album
by Calennig

"South Wales sea Songs originally recorded by American folklorist James Madison Carpenter, together with Welsh airs and tunes played on a stunning array of acoustic instruments"

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0045GNB3I/ref=dm_sp_alb
(MP3 for $8.99)


Tommy's Gone Away

Y Bore Glas/Ilo Man

Llydaw

Nothing But A Humbug/Hoffder Y Dyn Ifanc/Machynlleth

Lowlands

Tiger Bay

Ffarwel i Aberyswyth/Swansea Gals

The Llantrisant Set: Yr Hen Felin Wynt/Ceiniog Newydd/Tafarn y Wheatsheaf

Farewell To The Sail/Walk Along You Saucy Anna

Suo Gan/Y Gelynnen/Abaty Llanthoni Nant Hodni


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Subject: RE: James Madison Carpenter shanties
From: Bob_Walser
Date: 03 Jan 11 - 11:41 AM

As Tim hinted, Carpenter's texts are in the process of being edited for eventual publication and I'm working on the maritime materials. The originals have been digitized by the Library of Congress and will, at some time, be publicly available through the Performing Arts Encyclopedia portion of the Library of Congress website. You can be sure that we'll let the world know when this goes live!

One of the issues with the collection, hinted at above, has to do with intellectual property. These issues are being raised not only by folks at the Library of Congress but by the UK-based Carpenter Project team of which I'm a member. Carpenter sold the collection to LoC in 1972 so ultimately, they will make the decisions about dissemination.

Part of the pleasure of working on the project has been to collaborate with the descendants of Carpenter's contributors - the BBC programmes being lovely examples. It is an extraordinary collection and I'm honored to have the chance to work with it.


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Subject: RE: James Madison Carpenter shanties
From: Lighter
Date: 03 Jan 11 - 01:04 PM

Check out this message, a reminder of just how scratchy JMC's shanty records are:

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Subject: RE: James Madison Carpenter shanties
From: shipcmo
Date: 04 Jan 11 - 09:56 PM

From the James Madison Carpenter Collection

Mark Page singing Across the Western Ocean

"Two dollars a day is the usual pay,
Young girls goes a weepin',
Two dollars a day is the usual pay,
Across the Western Ocean.

I thought I heard our captain say,
Young girls goes a weepin',
That we should have some grog today,
Across the Western Ocean."

BBC

Requires: Real Player


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Subject: RE: James Madison Carpenter shanties
From: shipcmo
Date: 07 Jan 11 - 10:13 AM

I have been working on an Index of First Lines of the Sea Songs, Forebitters, and Shanties, from my Library. An interest in the James Madison Carpenter Collection led me to investigate The James Madison Carpenter Collection Online Catalogue. Carpenter classified the subjects according to songs, forebitters, and shanties, and I have grouped my indexing accordingly.
I will post each index seperately.


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Subject: RE: James Madison Carpenter shanties
From: shipcmo
Date: 07 Jan 11 - 10:14 AM

SONGS

Billibirumpidoodlupiday
Captain John Conway, Page 03508
Oh goin down the river
Music

Californi-o
Steamship Pilot, Page 03742
Oh the captain was a mean man, a mean man was he
        
Copy [Croppy] Boy
Charles B. Snellen, Page 03625- 03626
Twas early on last Thursday night
Music

Dark Eyed Sailor
William Prosser, Page 03639- 03640
Oh a comely young lady fair,
Music

Dark Eyed Sailor
H. J. Hammond, Page 03641
Love turns aside and cold does grow.

The Derby Bull (Lying Song)
Capt. H. J. Hammond, Page 03642
When first I went to Derby it was on a market day
Music: That's A Lie
Recording        

The Dolphin
Captain H. J. Hammond, Page 03643
On the fourteenth of November, boys, in Plymouth town we lay
Recording

Double Breasted Mansion
Captain Byrd, Page 03644
Oh the roof was copper bottomed

Finigan's Wake
James Dwyer, Page 03411
Right-for the dura
Recording        

Finnegan's Wake
W. Rennie, Page 03655
Tim Finegan lived in Maicus Street
Music

Green Burgee
William Gaul, Page 03667- 03668
It's of an Irish ship, me boys
Music

Green Grow the Rashes O
Mr Edward Robinson, Page 03403
Green grow the rashes o
Music
Recording

Ibsen, Gibson and Johnson
J. C. Collier, Page 03680
Ibsen, Gibson and Johnson as I've heard many say
Music

In the Morning by the Bright Light
James Bland, Page 03536
Im gwine away by the light of the moon

Indian Lass
William Prosser, Page 03688
As I walked out one evening down some far distant shore
Music

Jolly Butchers Three
James Masson, Page 03684
A story I will tell to you of jolly butchers three

Kelly the Pirate
James Christie, Page 03713- 03714
Ye bold British tars give an ear to my song
Music

Rob Roy McGregor O
John Cardno, Page 03559
Have you ever been in Inverness

Rob Roy McGregor O
Mrs Maggie McCallum, Page 03559
Tally up and tally doon

Rope with the Golden Strands
Frank Waters, Page 03693- 03694
For sailors declare, when wind blows fair

(The) Shamrock Green
Captain Mark Page, Page 03699- 03700
O the sun was far in the clouds advanced
Recording        

Taffy Rode Over the Border of Wales
Harry Bowling, Page 03578
Taffy rode over the border of Wales

Young Edwin, Low Lands Low
Charles B. Snellen, Page 03735
Come all you good people and listen to my song
Music


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Subject: RE: James Madison Carpenter shanties
From: shipcmo
Date: 07 Jan 11 - 10:25 AM

FOREBITTERS

Aboard the Handy Barque the Campanero
Benjamin Bright Page, 03583- 03584
I wasn't long ashore in the town of Baltimore
Recording        

According to the Act,
Mr Hill Page, 03135- 03136
Oh its come all ye lords and gentlemen
Music (Lime Juice Act)

(The) Alabama and the Kearsarge
Clinch, Edw., Page 03718- 03720
It was early Sunday morning
'Tune Warner's "According to the Act".'

Around Cape Horn
W. Ennis, Page 03593- 03594 Page 03595- 03596
Our ship she was inspected

Around Cape Horn
William Prosser, Page 03597- 03598
Our ship was called the Cullen Wood
Music

Around Cape Horn
George Simpson, Page 03599
Whilst sailing down the northeast trades
Recording:        The Sailor's Way

A Whaling
Captain Daniel Mullins, Page 03733
Tis advertised in Boston, New York and Buffalo

Banks of Newfoundland
William Prosser, Page 03601- 03602
You rambling boys of pleasure
Music

(The) Banks of Newfoundland
Mr Robinson, Page 03403
One night as I lay sleeping

(The) Banks of Newfoundland
James Henderson, Page 03606
Ye ramblin boys of pleasures
Recording        

Big Calibar
Reece Baldwyn, Page 03609- 03610
Come all ye jovial sailor boys

Bold Princess Royal
James Forman, Page 03615
On the fourteenth day of February we sailed from the land
Music
Recording        

Bold Princess Royal
James McLane, Page 03616- 03617
On the fourteenth day of February we sailed from the land
Recording        

Bold Princess Royal
Thomas Moore, Page 03618
On the 14 of February we sailed from the land
Music
Recording        

Bold Princess Royal
James Henderson, Page 03619
On the fifteenth of February we sailed from Graves end
Recording        

(The) Cumberland's Crew
Thomas Ginovan, Page 03633- 03634
Oh shipmates gather and join in my ditty
Music

(The) Cumberland's Crew
James Henderson, Page 03635
Come all lads assemble, and listen to my ditty
Recording        

Dark and Rolling Eye
William Fender, Page 03636
As I strolled out one evening, to take my night's career

Down in the lowlands a fisher boy did wander (first line)
James Forman, Page 03353

(The) Dreadnaught
Edward B. Trumbull, Page 03647
It's of a fine packet, a packet of fame
Music

(The) Dreadnaught
William Prosser, Page 03648
Oh its of a flash packet, a packet of fame
Music

(The) Dreadnaught
A. A. Foster, Page 03649- 03650
Tis of a flash packet, she's a packet of fame

(The) Dreadnaught
Robert Yeaman, Page 03653
I will sing of a packet, a packet of fame
Recording:        Bound Away in the Dread Naught

(The) Dreadnaught
James Henderson, Page 03654
Now then we are lying down in the Waterloo dock
Recording        

Female Cabin Boy
Jimmie Cronin, Page 03137
It's of a female cabin boy as you may understand
Music
Recording, (The Pretty Cabin Boy)

Female Cabin Boy
John Gregory, Page 03147
Tis of a pretty female, as you may understand

(The) Flying Cloud
Jack Frost, Page 03658- 03660
My name is Edward Halliahan, as you may understand

(The) Flying Cloud
Jack Frost, Page 03661- 03662
My name is Edward Hallihan, as you may understand

(The) Flying Cloud
Rees Baldwyn, Page 03663- 03664
There is gold and silver to be made my boys
Recording:        The Flying Cloud, Stately Southerner

(The) Girl with the Black Velvet Band
W. Rennie, Page 03152
While walking one day down from Balking
Recording (Ratcliff Highway)

Girls Around Cape Horn
James Thornton, Page 03586- 03590
Our ship she's called Cornwall
Music: Rounding Cape Horn

Harp Without a Crown
Benjamin Bright, Page 03669
She's an Irish ship with an Irish crew
Recording

Hawksbury Banks
William Prosser, Page 03671- 03672
One day as I strayed by those Hawksbury banks
Music: Maids of Australia

Hawksbury Banks
William Gaul, Page 03673
On those Hawksbury banks where I played my wild pranks
Music: Maids of Australia

His Jacket So Blue
Captain Charles B. Snellen, Page 03676
A ship's crew of sailors as you now shall hear
Music

I'll Go To Sea No More
Captain Daniel Mullins, Page 03686, 03612
One fine day in the month of May

Jackie Comes on Shore
Jack Murray, Page 03711- 03712
Jackie comes on shore with his gold and silver in store

Jog Along
James Forman, Page 03538
O the Coalhill girls they are so mighty fine
Music
Recording        

(The) Kearsarge and the Alabama
Frank Rhodes, Page 03716- 03717
It was on the eighteenth day of June

Lime Juice Act
Reece Baldwyn, Page 03722- 03723
Whilst walking out one morning
Music

Low Lands
Fender, Page 03352
There was a jolly privateer as ever sailed the sea
Music : The Golden Vanity
Music: The Lowlands
Recording        

Low Lands, Low
James Forman, Page 03353
Gane is the ship of the old dock tree
Music
Recording        

(The) Merhants' Shipping Act
Benjamin Bright, Page 03134
What's the use of growling

On the Banks of New Foundland
W. Rennie, Page 03605
You ramblin boys of pleasure
Music
Recording        

Our Anchor Is Up to the Bow Boys
Jimmie Cronin, Page 03138
I ne'er shall forget when we parted
Music
Recording

Paddy West
Thomas Ginovan, Page 03690- 03691
As I strolled down into Great Howard street
Music

Paddy West
Benjamin Bright, Page 03692
You have heard about the academy of Mr Paddy West

Powder Monkey
W. Rennie, Page 03389
Listen unto me and a story I will tell
Music
Recording

Powder Monkey
                Page 03389
Soon we'll be in London town

(The) Saucy Rosabella
John McPherson, Page 03153
I shipped on board the Rosabella
Recording (I Shipped on Board of Rosabella)

(The) Seamen's Alphabet
J. A. Ronaldson, Page 03564- 03565
A's for the anchor which we oftimes let go

Seamen's Alphabet
William Dixon, Page 03567
A is the anchor of our gallant ship
Music

Seamen's Alphabet (Parody)
W. Rennie, Page 03566
Our ship she's got a topmast, a good standing stick
Music
Recording        

She carried stuns'ls aloft (first line)
King, Page 03140
She carried stuns'ls aloft

(The) Ship That Never Returned,
James Dwyer, Page 03139
Twas a summer morn and the waves did ripple
Recording, James Dwyer, John McPherson

Sinbad the Sailor
Harry Bowling, Page 03572
'Twas like Sinbad the Sailor

Sons of the Ocean
Santa Curtis, Page 03705- 03709
Ye sons of the ocean, your attention is called

Spanish Ladies
Richard Warner, Page 03474
Fare well and adieu to you Spanish Ladies
Music

Spanish Ladies
Richard Warner, Page 03475
Fare well and adieu to you Spanish Ladies
Fair copy of p.03474
Music

Spanish Ladies
Stanton King, Page 03476- 03477
Farewell and adieu, to you fair Spanish Ladies
Music

Swansea Gals
Richard Warner, Page 03727- 03728
Come all who love your Nancy
Music

Swansea Gals
Hebron George Mathias, Page 03729- 03730
The stormy cloud is rising
Music

Ten Thousand Miles Away
Captain Lawson, Page 03157- 03158
I'll sing of the brave and the gallant bark

Virginia Low Lands Low
Albert Morris, Page 03149
Way down in old Virginia not many years ago
Music (Virginia Lowlands)

White Squall
Joseph Bound, Page 03156
The sea was bright and our bark rode well,
Music

Yo Heave Ho
James Cronin, Page 03132- 03133 :
My name it is Tom Tough,
Music
Recording, Royal Alfred Chantey Singer, Jimmy Cronin,


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Subject: RE: James Madison Carpenter shanties
From: shipcmo
Date: 07 Jan 11 - 12:28 PM

SHANTIES

Across the Western Ocean
Richard Warner, Page 03495
Times are hard and wages low
Music

Ah-a-a Juley
Mr Robinson, Page 03403
Juley, Juley, she bode ah-ha-a-a Juley

Banks of Sacramento
J. S. Scott, Page 03374
When I was young and in my prime
Music: Hoodah Day
Recording

Blow Boys Blow
Captain Edward B. Trumbull, Page 03210
Yankee ship comes down the river
Refrain: Blow, boys blow
Music

Blow Boys Blow
Edward Robinson, Page 03407
Yankee ship coming down the river
Recording        

Blow Boys Blow
David Atkinson, Page 03211
A yankee ship comes down the river

Blow Boys Blow
Thomas Ginovan, Page 03212
Blow, me boys, for I long to hear you
Music

Blow Boys Blow
Roderick Enderson, Page 03213
Blow, my boys, for I long to hear you

Blow Boys Blow (long drag)
Stanton King, Page 03214
A yankee ship came down the river
Music

Blow Boys Blow
James Wright, Page 03408
A yankee ship comes down the river
Recording

Blow Boys Blow
Robert Yeoman, Page 03215
We're out to sea no land in sight
Recording        

Blow Boys Blow
Alexander Henderson, Page 03216
A yankee ship came down the river
Recording

Blow Boys Blow
James Henderson, Page 03217
Oh blow, me boys, I long to hear you
Recording, Robert Yeoman, James Henderson

Blow Boys Blow
Jack Murray, Page 03218
A yankee ship come down the river
Recording

Blow the Man Down
Captain D. F. Mullins, Page 03222
As I was a walking down Ratcliffe Highway
        
Blow the Man Down
Frank Waters, Page 03225
Oh blow the man down, bullies, blow the man down

Blow the Man Down
A. E. Foster, Page 03226
Oh blow the man down, bullies, blow the man down

Blow the Man Down
Charlton Smith, Page 03227
While strolling along on a bit of a spree
Music

Blow the Man Down
G. Douglas, Page 03228
As Jack was a cruising the beach up and down

Blow the Man Down
Captain Daniel Mullins, Page 03229
As I was a walking down Paradise Street

Blow the Man Down
Stanton King, Page 03231- 03232
Oh blow the man down, bullies, knock him right down
Music

Blow the Man Down
"The Bo'sn", Page 03233
Way bully, ho bully, blow the man down
Music

Blow the Man Down
Harry Johnson, Page 03234
Oh humpty dumpty sat on a wall

Blow the Man Down
Francis Herrshoff, Page 03235
We had an old Captain I don't know his name

Blow the Man Down
Captain Edward Trumbull, Page 03236,03237
There was an old man and his name it was Brown
Music

Blow the Man Down
J. S. Scott, Page 03238 :
Blow the man down, bullies, blow the man down, bullies
Recording

Blow the Man Down
Jimmie Cronin, Page 03239
As I was a walking down Lemon Street
Recording, Jimmy Cronin, Royal Alfred Singer, The Bos'n, Harry Johnson

Blow the Man Down
Benjamin Bright, Page 03240 :
I can see you're a Yank by the cut of your hair
Recording, (A Roving)

Blow the Man Down,
Andrew Salters, Page 03241
O blow the man down bullies, blow the man down
Music
Recording

Blow the Man (Down)
George Houghton, Page 03242
Blow the man down, bullies, blow the man down
Music
Recording, Captain H. J. Hammond

Blow the Man Down
Reece Baldwyn, Page 03243
The priest from the parish with his gallant band
Recording

Blow the Man Down
James Wright, Page 03244
I'll put on my boots and I'll blow the man down
Recording

Blow the Man Down
Alexander Henderson, Page 03245
Oh blow the man high, bullies, blow him sky high
Recording

Blow the Man Down
Robert Yeoman, Page 03246
Blow the man down, bullies, blow the man down
Recording

Blow the Man Down
George Simpson, Page 03247
Blow the man up and we'll blow the man down
Recording        

Blow the Man Down
James Henderson, Page 03248
There was an old man lived in Quebeck town
Recording

Blow the Man Down
Dennis O'Connors, Page 03249
As I was a walking one morning in spring
[Nearly identical to p. 03250]
see also Child 278, The Farmer's Curst Wife

Blow the Man Down
Dennis O'Connors, Page 03250
As I was a walking one morning in spring
[Nearly identical to p. 03249]

Blow the Man Down
James Garricy, Page 03251
Oh blow the man down, Johnie, blow the man down
Music

Blow the Man Down
Harry Turner, Page 03404
Blow the man down, bullies

Blow You Winds This Morning
Harry Bowling, Page 03126, 03613
Heave away my hearties

Blow You Winds This Morning
Harry Bowling, Page 03614
Heave away me hearties

Boney
Edward Robinson, Page 03406
Boney was a warrior
Recording        

Boney
Jimmie Cronin, Page 03257
Oh Boney was a warrior
Music        
Recording, Jimmy Cronin, Royal Alfred Singer

Boney Was A Warrior
James Forman, Page 03258
Boney was a warrior
Recording

Boney Was A Warrior
James Henderson, Page 03259
Boney was a warrior
Recording, James Henderson, Robert Yeoman

Boney Was A Warrior
Jack Murray, Page 03260 :
Bonnie was a warrior
Recording        

Boney
William Fender, Page 03261
O Boney was a warrior
Recording

Bonny Laddie
Andrew Salters, Page 03262
Where have you been all the day,
Refrain: Bonny Laddy, Hieland laddie!
Music (Hieland Laddie)
Recording

(A) Bottle of Rum
James Wright, Page 03408
Recording        A Bottle of Gin, a Bottle of Rum and a Bottle of Irish Whiskey O

Bound for the Rio Grande
Frank Waters, Page 03392
As I was a strolling one morning in May

Bound for the Rio Grande
Captain Charlton Smith, Page 03393
Where are you going to my pretty maid
Music

Bound for the Rio Grande
Edward B. Trumbull, Page 03397
We're bound away this very day
Music

Bound for Rio Grande
Mr Haughton, Page 03398
Boys man the capstan and let us away
Music

Bully in the Alley
Edward Robinson, Page 03462
John Brown's body in the alley
Music
Recording        

Bully in the Alley
Edward Robinson, Page 03511
I lost my jacket in the alley
Music

Bully in the Alley
James Forman, Page 03512
O, I lost my coat in Story's Alley
Music
Recording        

Can't You Dance the Polka
Reece Baldwyn, Page 03265
This old girl, she had no hat
Music
Recording

Can't You Dance the Polka
Reece Baldwyn, Page 03266
This old girl, she had no hat
[Another, fairer, copy of p.03265]
Music
Recording

Can't You Dance the Polka
William Prosser, Page 03267
One day as I went walking down by the Clarence Dock
Music

Cheerily Men
Edward Robinson, Page 03514
Well done and clever, heigh ho
Music
Recording        

Dead Horse
James Stevenson, Page 03361
They say old man your horse will die

(The) Dead Horse
Stanton King, Page 03362
Poor old man, your horse is going to die

Do My Johnny Boker
Stanton King, Page 03343
Oh, do my Johnny Boker
Music        

Fire Away Lilly, Come Down Below
Alexander Blue, Page 03517
Fire away Lilly, come down below
Music
Recording        

Fire Down Below
Mr Robinson, Page 03403
Rovin, rovin, he said to his crew
Music
Recording        Fire Down Below John Rennie

Fire Down Below
Edward Robinson, Page 03407
Fire, fire fire
Recording        

Go Down Below
Jack Murray, Page 03518
Go dow below, you pretty girls, go down below
Recording        
        
Good-bye Fare You Well
Frank Waters, Page 03321
Good-bye ye fair maids, we'll not forget you
        
Halo Ranzo Hay
Baldwyn, Page 03270
Oh my name it is John Kelly
Music

Handy My Boys
Richard Warner, Page 03273
Now Handy Andy is my name
Music

Handy, Me Boys, So Handy
John Middleton, Page 03274
A handy ship and a handy crew
Music
Disc

Hanging Johnny
Andrew Salters, Page 03262
O they call me hanging Johnny
Music
Recording

Hanging Johnny
Stanton King, Page 03354
They call me Hangman Johnnie
Music

Harp Without A Crown
James Dwyer, Page 03411
Hurrah, hurrah, for the girls of Dublin town
Recording        

(The) Harp Without the Crown
John Boyd, Page 03520
We'll scrape her down and scrub her around

Haul
Hereschoff, Page 03525
The next fish that came was a hoary old shark

Haul Away Joe
Frank Waters, Page 03279
Haul taut the bowline

Haul Away Joe
Andrew Salters, Page 03280 :
Oh haul her on the bowline
Music         
Recording

Haul Away Joe
Thomas Ginovan, Page 03281
Away, haul away, we never will surrender
Music

Haul Away Joe
Jack Murray, Page 03282
Once I had a nigger girl, and she's got a nigger baby
Recording

Haul Away Joe
William Fender, Page 03283
Away, haul away, come haul and haul together
Recording, The Bos'n, Harry Johnson, Perry

Haul Away Joe
Jimmie Cronin, Page 03285
Away haul away! Come haul away me hearties
Music        
Recording        

Haul Away My Josie
Captain Edward B. Trumbull, Page 03284
Away, haul away, haul away my Josie

Haul for the Grog
Tom Lucas, Page 03127
Once I had a good hat, an a good hat was he        

Haul for the Grog
Jack Murray, Page 03522
Oh shirts I've got one and the collar it's wore done
Recording        

Haul for the Grog
James Henderson, Page 03523
It's haul for the grog
Recording        

Haul the Bowline
Jack Murray, Page 03282
Haul in the bowline, keep the ship a rollin
Recording

Haul the Bowline
Harry Perry, Page 03289
Haul the bowline, the big ship's a rolling

Haul the Bowline
Stanton King, Page 03290
Haul the bowline! The good ship's a rolling
Music

Haul the Bowline
Edward B. Trumbull, Page 03291
Haul the bowline, the main t'gallant bowline

Haul Together
Stanton King, Page 03524
Oh, the cook's in the galley and I can't get him out
Alternative title: Up Steps Herring
Music

Heave Away
Harry Perry, Page 03294
As I walked out one morning

Heave Away
Stanton King, Page 03295
One morning as I rambled along the Clarence dock

Heave Away
James Garricy, Page 03296
As I walked out one morning, down by the Clarence Dock
Music: Good Morning Mr Tapscott

Heave Away
William Prosser, Page 03297
Sometimes we're bound for Liverpool
Music: We're All Bound to Go

Heave Away
Roderick Enderson, Page 03298
Tell me, Susan, tell me dear, what makes you look so gay
[Handwritten bawdy verses]

Heave Away
W. Rennie, Page 03299
There was a jolly ploughboy, ploughing on the land
Alternative title: Tapscott
Music [Tapscott]
Recording        [We're All Bound to Go]

Heave Away
J. S. Scott, Page 03526
Don't you hear what the Captain say
Alternative title: South Australia
Music
Recording: South Australia

Hog Eye Man
Captain John Conway, Page 03305
Sally in the garden sifting sand
Music
        
Hogeye Man
Captain Mark Page, Page 03306
I was a-strolling down Pall Mall
Recording        Edward Robinson, [Mark Page]        

The Hog-eye man
Edward Robinson, Page 03307
Reach me down my riding cane
Recording

Hogeye Man
Rees Baldwyn, Page 03308
We'll cat and fish the anchor when we're going out to sea
Recording

Hogs Eye
Reece Baldwyn, Page 03309
O Sally on the mainyard a-pickin' up the bunt
Recording

Hiland Laddie
Captain Hammond, Page 03310
O where has ye been all the day

Hieland Laddie
Thomas Carfrae, Page 03311
Whar hae ye been all the day
Music
Recording

Hieland Laddie
David Atkinson, Page 03313
Where ha ye been all the day
        
Hieland Laddie
John Boyd, Page 03314
Were you ever in Quebeck
Music

Hielan Laddie
Jack Murray, Page 03315
Hey, ho, and away we go
Recording        Bonnie Hielan Laddie

Hilo Boys
Edward Robinson, Page 03406
Hilo, boys, hilo
Recording        

Hilo, Boys, Hilo
Mr Robinson, Page 03403
Hilo, boys, hilo
Music
Recording        

Hog Eye Man
Baldwyn, Page 03677
Sally in the main yard
That's all there is.
Recording:        Hogeye Man, Hog's Eye Man

Hoist Her Up From Down Below
J. S. Scott, Page 03527, 03528
Down below oh-ho-ho
Music
Recording

Homeward Bound
Harry Perry, Page 03320
We're homeward bound for New York town

Homeward Bound
                  Page 03322 & 03323
I thought I heard the old man say
Alternative title: Good-bye, Fare You Well
Recording        [Good Bye Fare Ye Well]
        
Homeward Bound
Harry Turner, Page 03324
Its as we arrive in the Mill Wall docks
Song Text        Outward Bound

Hoodah Day
Thomas Ginovan, Page 03373
Whose that gal with the blue dress on
Music

Hoodah Day
Edward B. Trumbull, Page 03379
As I was a walking down Liverpool street
Music

Hopjint
Reece Baldwyn, Page 03529
We'll cat and fish the anchor and we're going out to sea

How Can I Row the Boat Ashore
Mark Page, Page 03530
How can I row the boat ashore
Music
Recording        

How Can I Row the Boat Ashore
Mark Page, Page 03531
How can I row the boat ashore
Nearly identical to p.03530.

(A) Humble-lee
Robert Yeaman, Page 03532
A humble-lee an a humble-lo
Recording        

(A) Hundred Years Ago,
Jas Wright, Page 03128
A hundred years is a very long time

(A) Hundred Years Ago
Captain Edward Robinson, Page 03330
Watchman, Watchman! Don't take me
Music        
Recording

(A) Hundred Years Ago
William Beggs, Page 03331
A hundred years is a very long time
Music

(A) Hundred Years Ago
Albert Morris, Page 03332
One hundred years ago, my lad

(A) Hundred Years Ago
James Forman, Page 03333
Oh Jonah was the man that swallowed the whale
        
(A) Hundred Years Ago
James Wright, Page 03334
A hundred years is a very long time

(A) Hundred Years Ago
William Fender, Page 03335
Was you ever in Quebeck
Recording        

I Saw an Elephant
John Conway, Page 03537
I saw an elephant chase a flea
Music

Ilo Man
William Fender, Page 03533
O the ducks and the geese they are swimmin down the river
Recording: Huckleberry Hunting , Ilo Man

In the Morning
W. Thomas, Page 03535
Oh I went down the river in an old steamboat,
Music

Jamboree
Edward Robinson, Page 03406
Jamboree, oh Jamboree
Recording        

Jim Crow
Andrew Salters, Page 03339
I went a courting pretty Fie
Song Text        Victoria
Music: Jim Crow
Music: Victoria
Recording:        Very Well Done Jim Crow
Recording:        Victorio

I Saw an Elephant
John Conway, Page 03537
I saw an elephant chase a flea
Music

John Surran
John Conway, Page 03542
Oh, John Surran was a little old man

Johnny Boker
Harry Perry, Page 03342
Oh do my Johnny Boker

Johnie Poker
John Middleton, Page 03344
Roll my Johnie Poker
Music        
Recording        

Johnny Boker
Captain Alexander Blue, Page 03345
Do my Johnny Boker
Music        
Recording        

Johnny's Gone to Hilo
Harry Bowling, Page 03491
Oh Johnny's gone; what shall I do

Johnnie Boker
Jack Murray, Page 03346
Oh do my Johnny Boker
Recording        

Leaky Ship
William Fender, Page 03544
Here we come home in a leaky ship
Recording        

Leave Her, Johnny
Mr Robinson, Page 03403
We'll pump her out and go on shore
Music
Recording
        
Leave Her Johnny
George Boyle, Page 03328
Leave her down in London town
Recording        

Leave Her, Johnny, Leave Her
Stanton King, Page 03326
Oh the times are hard and the wages low
Music

London Juley
Captain Alexander Blue, Page 03546
London Juley is a very pretty gal
Music
Recording        

(A) Long Time Ago
Richard Warner, Page 03348
Away down south where I was born
Music        

(A) Long Time Ago
Harry Perry, Page 03349
Away down South where I was born

Low Lands
William Fender, Page 03350
I wish I was in Mobile Bay
Recording        

Low Lands
William Fender, Page 03351
I thought I heard our old man say
Recording        

Mammie Dido
David Anton, Page 03547
Old mammie Dido had a lovely daughter

Mary's On the Island
James Stevenson, Page 03548
And a hoo-ding dong, and a hoodah
Music

Mary's On the Island
Capt. Chas. Yule, Page 03549
Way are[?] ladies

Mary's On the Island
Mark Page, Page 03549
O yonders, Mary, yonder
Recording        

Mind How You Swing Your Tail
John Middleton, Page 03550
O the people in da Souf dey've all got tails
Music
Recording

Old Horse
Thomas Ginovan, Page 03360
I hear, old man, you've been and bought a horse
Music

Old Horse
L. F. Herreshoff, Page 03363
Old horse! Old horse! How came you here

Old Horse
Captain Edward B. Trumbull, Page 03364
Old horse! Old horse! How came you here

Old Joe
Edward Ashbury, Page 03552
Sweet Hambone, sonny boys
Music

Old Stormalong
Frank Waters, Page 03483
Old Stormalong was a marriner [sic] bold

On a Visit Sunday
Mark Page, Page 03553
When first in London I arrived
Music
Recording        

One More Day
Captain Edward B. Trumbull, Page 03367
Only one more day, my darling

One More Day
Stanton King Page, 03368
Only one more day of pumping
Music

One More Day
Andrew Salters, Page 03369
One more day me Johnny
Music
Recording        

One More Day
James Forman, Page 03370
One more day, me Johnny
Music
Recording        

On the Banks of the Sacramento
Captain Charlton L. Smith, Page 03372
Went to the river and I couldn't get across
Music: Doodah Day

Outward Bound
Harry Turner, Page 03404
We're outward bound for Melbourne town

Paddy Doyle
Andrew Salters, Page 03382
To me way-hey-hey-yah
Music
Recording        

Paddy Doyle
Edward Robinson, Page 03383
To me way-ay, hey-ay, hey-yah
Recording        

Paddy Doyle
Jack Murray, Page 03384
To me way, ay, ay yah
Recording        

Paddy Works on the Railway
William "Paddy" Gaul, Page 03388
Oh in eighteen hundred and forty one
Music

Paddy Works on the Railway
Edward Robinson, Page 03407
In eighteen hundred and fifty one
Recording        

Poor Old Man
James Henderson, Page 03365
Poor old man came ridin by
Recording:         James Henderson , Robert Yeoman

Poor Paddy Works on the Railway
Mark Page, Page 03385
In eighteen hundred and fifty-one
Music
Recording        

Pull Down Below
Reece Baldwyn, Page 03556
All my time I've been courting Allie
Music
Recording: I Went to Church I Went to Chapel, Pull Down Below

Pull Down Below
Reece Baldwyn, Page 03557
I went to church I went to chapel
Music Notation: Pull Down Below
Recording: I Went to Church I Went to Chapel, Pull Down Below

Ranzo
Reece Baldwyn, Page 03431
O Ranzo was no sailor
Recording        

Ranzo
Robert Yeoman, Page 03432
Poor old Ruben Ranzo
Recording        

Ranzo
Edward Robinson Jr., Page 03433
Oh Ranzo was no sailor
Recording:        Ranzo Boys Ranzo

Ranzo
James Henderson, Page 03434
Pity poor Ruben Ranzo

Ranzo
Edward Robinson, Page 03406
Ranzo, boys, Ranzo
Recording        

Ranzo
             Page 03427
O where are you bound to, Ranzo

Ranzo, Boys, Ranzo
John Macaulay, Page 03428
O Ranzo was no sailor
Music
Recording        

Ranzo Was No Sailor
Walter Ede, Page 03429
O Ranzo was no sailor
Music
Recording

Ranzo Way
James Wright, Page 03130
I'm going away to leave you toward the middle of the (unclear),
Recording

Reuben Ranzo
Thomas Ginovan, Page 03417- 03418
Oh poor old Reuben Ranzo
Music

Reuben Ranzo
Charlton Smith, Page 03419- 03420
O roving, Reuben Ranzo
Music

Reuben Ranzo
Captain Edward B. Trumbull, Page 03422
Oh Ranzo was no sailor

Reuben Ranzo
A. E. Foster, Page 03423
Oh Ranzo was no sailor

Rio
Eade, Page 03395
Where are you going to, my pretty maid
Recording

Rio Grande
Thomas Ginovan, Page 03394
As I was a walking one morning in May
Music

Rio Grande
Stanton King, Page 03396
Rio Grande is no place for me

Rio Grande
James McLain, Page 03401
O Rio Grande is a pretty fine place
Recording

Roll & Carry It Along (The Chariot Along)
George Simpson, Page 03562
And we'll roll, we'll roll, we'll carry it along
Recording: The Rolling Chariot

Rolling Chariot
John Boyd, Page 03561
Oh we'll roll, we'll roll the old chariot along

Row, Bullies, Row
Capt. H. J. Hammond, Page 03697
From New York to Frisco, California we went
Alternative title: Rounding Cape Horn

Row Me Ashore Captain
Captain W. Dalziel, Page 03563
Oh Captain row me ashore
Music

Row, Row, Bullies, Row
John Boyd, Page 03696
One night off Cape Horn, I remember it well
Music : Lidigo Man - Conway

Ruben Ranzo
Jack Murray, Page 03430
Oh Ranzo was no sailor
Recording        

Run, Let the Bulgine Run
Jack Murray, Page 03436
New York is on fire
Recording        

Run Let the Bulgine Run
William Fender, Page 03437
The bulgine's come and we all must go-o
Recording        

Run Let the Bulgine Run
William Fender, Page 03438
The bulgine's come and we all must go
Recording        

Run with the Bulgine
James Dwyer, Page 03411
Run with the bulgine
Music
Recording        

Run With the Bulgine
James Forman, Page 03435
O London docks is on fire
Music         
Recording        

Sacramento
Mark Page, Page 03378
Camp Town races nine mile long
Music: Hoodah Day
Recording:        Hoodah Day
Recording:        Camp Town Races

Sally Brown
A. E. Foster, Page 03441
Sally Brown was a creole lady

Sally Brown
Thomas Ginovan, Page 03442
Sally Brown was a gay old lady
Music Notation

Sally Brown
Benjamin Bright, Page 03443
Sally Brown was a bright creole

Sally Brown
Captain Edward B. Trumbull, Page 03444
Sally Brown's a bright mullato
Music

Sally Brown
J. S. Scott, Page 03445
You know Sally Brown is a bright mullato
Recording

Sally Brown
Francis Herreschoff, Page 03446
Sally Brown, I love your daughter

Sally Brown
Stanton King, Page 03447
Sally Brown is a bright mullato

Sally Brown
James Wright, Page 03448
Sally Brown was a bright mullato
Recording        

Sally Brown
Robert Yeoman, Page 03449
Sally Brown I love your daughter
Recording        

Sally Brown
James Henderson, Page 03450
Oh Sally Brown I long to hear you
Recording        

Sally Brown
Jack Murray, Page 03451
Oh Sally Brown I love your daughter
Recording        

Sally Brown
George Simpson, Page 03452
Sally's daughter lived over the water
Recording        

Santa Anna
Stanton King, Page 03455
Santa Anna gained the day

Santa Anna
A. E. Foster, Page 03456
Santa Anna gained the day

Santy Anna
David Atkinson, Page 03457
Santy Anna sailed away

Santa Anna
Captain Edward B. Trumbull, Page 03458
Santa Anna, as I've heard say

Santa Anna
Jack Murray, Page 03459
It's Santa Anna, the yellow girls go

Santa Anna
William Fender, Page 03460
Santa Anna gained the day
Recording        

Santy Anna
William Fender, Page 03461
Santa Anna gained the day
Recording        

Santa Anna
Edward Robinson, Page 03462
Hurrah, Santa Anna
Recording        

Shake Her, Wake Her
Captain Blue, Page 03570
Have you been in Mobile Bay
Music

Shake Her, Wake Her
James Wright, Page 03571
I once was rich and had lots of tin
Recording: Johnnie Come Down to Hilo

Shallow Brown
John Kenedy, Page 03471
Oh have you been to Dixie?
Music

Shanadore
John Middleton, Page 03469
Shanadore, I long to hear you
Recording        

Shenandoah
Garricy, James, Page 03466
Oh Shenandoah, I'm going to leave you
Music: Western Ocean

Sing Sally-O
Harry Bowling, Page 03575
Say Mister Stevedore

Storm Along
Stanton King, Page 03485
Stormy's gone, that good old man

Stormalong
Harry Johnson, Page 03482
Stormalong was a good old man

Stormalong
Harry Perry, Page 03484
Oh storm to-day and storm no more

South Australia
Reece Baldwyn, Page 03577
Have you seen my bowery queen
Recording        

Tally-i-o
James Wright, Page 03579
Tally-i-o was a jolly old soul
Recording: Tally Aye O

Tapscott (Irish Version)
John Ferries, Page 03300- 03301
As I went out one morning, on the road to Clarence Dock
Recording        Tapscott

Ten Stone, Ten Stone, the Winter's Over
Captain Alexander Blue, Page 03580
O have you been in Mobile Bay
Music
Recording        

Tom's Gone to Ilo
Stanton King, Page 03489
Tommy's gone, what shall I do
Music

Tom's Gone to Ilo
J. S. Scott, Page 03490
Tommy's gone to Liverpool
Recording        

Tommie's Gone to Hilo
Jack Murray, Page 03492
Tommie's gone and I'll go to
Recording
        
Victoria
Andrew Salters, Page 03409
Victoria, Victoria
Song Text        Jim Crow
Music : Jim Crow
Music: Victoria
Recording:        Very Well Done Jim Crow
Recording        :Victoria

Victorio
James Forman, Page 03410
Victorio, Victorio
Music
Recording:        Victorio Jim Crow

Victori-o
James Dwyer, Page 03411
Victoria, Victorio
Music
Recording        

We'll Pay Paddy Doyle for His Boots
Stanton King, Page 03381
To me way- hey- hey-ya
Music: Hang Paddy Doyle

Western Ocean
Mark Page, Page 03496
Two dollars a day is the usual pay
Music
Recording        

Where Are You Going To, My Pretty Maid
[Broadside text] Page 03399
Where are you going to, my pretty maid

Where Are You Going To, My Pretty Maid
Walter Ede, Page 03400
Where are you going to, my pretty maid
Music

Where hae ye been all the day (first line)
Mr Robinson, Page, 03403
Where hae ye been all the day

Whiskey Johnnie
John Middleton, Page 03502
O whiskey is the life of man
Recording        

Whiskey Johnny
             Page 03130
Oh whiskey is the life of man
        
Whiskey Johnny
Harry Turner, Page 03404
Whiskey is the life of man

Whiskey Johnny
Edward Robinson, Page 03407
Whiskey is the life of man
Recording        

Whiskey Johnny
Andrew Salters, Page 03409
O whiskey is the life of man
Recording        

Whiskey Johnny
Francis Herreshoff, Page 03500
Whiskey makes the winds to blow

Whiskey Johnny
Stanton King, Page 03501
Oh, whiskey is the life of man;
Music

Whiskey Johnny
Harry Perry, Page 03503
Oh whiskey is the life of man

Whiskey Johnny
James Henderson, Page 03504
Whiskey is the life of man
Recording        

Whiskey Johnnie
Robert Yeaman, Page 03505
Whiskey is the life of man
Recording        

Whiskey Johnny
Jack Murray, Page 03506
Whiskey is the life of man
Recording        

(The) Wide Missouri
Captain Trumbull, E. B., Page 03467
Oh Shenandoah, I love your daughter

Wide Missouri
Stanton King, Page 03468
Oh Shenandoah, I love your daughter
Music

Zanzibar Negro Work Chanty
Edward B. Trumbull, Page 03581
Whitee manee, he no savey;
Music: Kizimakazy Way


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Subject: RE: James Madison Carpenter shanties
From: Gibb Sahib
Date: 23 Aug 11 - 05:30 PM

Forgive me if this question has been asked.

Does anyone know where, in the current on-line manifestation of the Collection, the descriptors "shanty," "forebitter," etc come from? In other words, are they from Carpenter's notes (which he may or may not have made based on what informants told him) or are they tags created by the current archivists (Bob Walser, etc)?

Some recordings and texts, that pretty obviously correspond to one another, are labeled "forebitter" for one format and "shanty" for another.

Would Carpenter even have used the term "forebitter"? And he would have used the CH spelling of shanty, so there is *some* degree of interpretation, even if insignificant, in the current archive notes.

Surely we know that the songs crossed categories. I only ask because one of my interests is in what songs historically were categorised by singers as "shanty." So I am wondering if the label "forebitter", in the archive, is a good indicator that that particular singer did not conceptualize the song as a shanty.


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Subject: RE: James Madison Carpenter shanties
From: Gibb Sahib
Date: 24 Aug 11 - 02:37 AM

Is "All for the Grog"/"Haul for the Grog" some form of the well-known "It's all for me grog, me jolly jolly grog, etc"?


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Subject: RE: James Madison Carpenter shanties
From: Snuffy
Date: 24 Aug 11 - 02:44 AM

It certainly is, what little there is on the recording - 22 seconds

All For The Grog
(James Henderson, Dundee)

All for the grog, the jolly, jolly grog
All for your pipes and tobacco
For I've spent all my tin on yon ladies drinking gin
And across the briny ocean I must wander


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Subject: RE: James Madison Carpenter shanties
From: Snuffy
Date: 24 Aug 11 - 02:55 AM

Versions also collected from the following (no recordings issued, so only first line available)

Rennie William, South Shields, England - O I had a little boat, a jolly little boat
Methias George & Warner Richard, Cardiff, Wales - Aul for the grog
Bowling Harry, Los Angeles, USA - I have an old shoe with never a back or tongue
Lucas Tom, Cricklade, England - Once I had a good hat, an a good hat was he
Murray Jack, Aberdeen, Scotland - Oh shirts I've got one and the collar it's wore done


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Subject: RE: James Madison Carpenter shanties
From: Gibb Sahib
Date: 24 Aug 11 - 02:58 AM

Cool, thanks!

Next question (!)
What kind of "Stormalong"-s are we dealing with here? With the "aye aye Mr. Stormalong" refrain, or others?

(I ask because, again, I am working on sorting the material, and I have been keeping track of the historical "appearances" of the various Stormalongs.)


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Subject: RE: James Madison Carpenter shanties
From: Gibb Sahib
Date: 24 Aug 11 - 03:02 AM

I wonder if "haul" was really meant at all in any of the variations, or if Carpenter merely interpreted "all" to be a possible "haul" with the characteristic "missing H" of many UK English speakers.

E.g. The American, Harry Bowling's, is not represented by "haul".


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Subject: RE: James Madison Carpenter shanties
From: Snuffy
Date: 24 Aug 11 - 03:28 AM

Stormalong (William Fender, Barry)

Old Storm Along went across the main
To me way, Stormalong
I wish I was old Stormy's son
Aye, aye, aye, Mr Stormalong


Stormalong (Edward Robinson, Sunderland)

Oh, poor old Stormy's dead and gone
Aye, aye, Mr Stormalong
Oh, Stormy's gone where the winds* don't blow
To me way, hay, Stormalong
Oh, Stormy's gone where the winds* don't blow
Aye, aye, Mr Stormalong


*wind is pronounced "wined"


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Subject: RE: James Madison Carpenter shanties
From: Gibb Sahib
Date: 24 Aug 11 - 03:40 AM

Excellent!!!

Last (??!) question:

What do you make of "Jamaringo" and "Charmaringo? They seem to be "Jamboree," but funny that Carpenter would have left the titles so inconsistent. Echoes of "Fire Marengo" in the words, but a red herring, I think.


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Subject: RE: James Madison Carpenter shanties
From: Snuffy
Date: 24 Aug 11 - 08:01 AM

Neither of these are on the recordings released on Folktrax, so we can't tell what tune was used.

I suppose it could possibly be a cross-over with Jamboree lyrics bolted onto Fire Marengo tune and/or choruses, but Jamboree is rhyming triplet + refrain and chorus, while FM is long-drag in structure.


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Subject: RE: James Madison Carpenter shanties
From: Gibb Sahib
Date: 13 Sep 11 - 08:28 PM

I've been tinkering around with what is available -- remotely -- in the Collection, shanty-wise. Here are some of the results:

http://mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=128220#3221736

Specifically, here's a list attempting to describe the chanty contents available in audio AND/OR text. (crossposted in long, Advent of Chanties thread)

The Carpenter Collection contains some 98 different chanty-forms, by my tally. Here they are, followed by the numbers of time a variant of each occurs.

A ROVING (6)
ACROSS THE WESTERN OCEAN (2)
ALL FOR ME GROG (8)
Billibirumpidoodlupiday" ("Oh goin down the river…")
BLOW BOYS BLOW (17)
Blow high, blow low"
BLOW THE MAN DOWN (26)
BLOW YE WINDS
BONEY (8)
BOTTLE O
BOWLINE (9)
BULLY IN ALLEY (2) [remove one]
Captain row me ashore"
CHEERLY (3)
CHURCH CHAPEL
Dance Callidio"
DEAD HORSE (8) + DEAD HORSE?
Down in the Meadows" ("As I was a walking down the street")
Down in those Valleys" ("Aye, aye, aye, Bendigo")
DOWN TRINIDAD
DRUNKEN SAILOR (5)
Fire away Lily, come down below"
FIRE DOWN BELOW (5)
FIRE FIRE FIRE
FISHES + FISHES? (2)
GALS OF DUBLIN TOWN (2)
Go down below, you pretty girls, go down below"
GOODBYE FARE YOU WELL (5)
HANDY MY BOYS (3)
HANGING JOHNNY (5)
HAUL AWAY JOE (14)
Haul away Rosie. Rosie haul"
HEAVE AWAY MY JOHNNIES (10)
Here we come home in a leaky ship"
HIGHLAND (13)
HILO BOYS
HOGEYE (4)
HOOKER JOHN (2) [remove one]
How can I row the boat ashore without a paddle or an oar"
HUCKLEBERRY HUNTING (6)
Humble-lee and a humble-lo"
HUNDRED YEARS (6)
I saw an elephant chase a flea"
In the Morning" ("I went down the river in an old steamboat")
IRISH EMIGRANT ("Lay me down") (2)
JAMBOREE (7)
John Surran was a little old man"
JOHNNY BOWKER (7)
JOHNNY COME DOWN TO HILO (2) + JOHNNY COME DOWN TO HILO?
John's a rookey ookey"
Juber mind the bee, and mind it while I sing"
Kizee, Makazee, yah"
LEAVE HER JOHNNY (6)
LONDON JULIE (2)
LONG TIME AGO (11)
LOWLANDS AWAY (2)
LUCIANNA (3) + LUCIANNA?
Mind how you swing your tail"
MR. STORMALONG (3) + MR. STORMALONG? (4)
MUDDER DINAH + MUDDER DINAH?
NEW YORK GIRLS (4)
Nothin' but a humbug"
On a Visit Sunday" ("When first in London I arrived…")
Once I had a good hat, an a good hat was he"
ONE MORE DAY (5)
OUTWARD AND HOMEWARD BOUND
PADDY DOYLE (6)
PADDY LAY BACK (5)
PADDY ON THE RAILWAY (4)
Poor little Liza, don't say so"
Pull down below" ("Johnny come down to Hilo…")
RANZO RAY + RANZO RAY? (2)
REUBEN RANZO (14) + REUBEN RANZO?
RIO GRANDE (10)
RISE HER UP ("Hoist her up from down below" )
ROLL BULLIES ROLL (2)
ROLL THE COTTON DOWN (7)
ROLL THE OLD CHARIOT ALONG (2)
ROLLING HOME (3)
ROSABELLA (2)
RUN LET THE BULGINE (5)
SACRAMENTO (7)
SALLY BROWN (14)
SALLY RACKET? ("Old mamie Hackett")
SALT HORSE RHYME? (2)
SANTIANA (13)
SHALLOW BROWN (4)
SHENANDOAH (6)
SOUTH AUSTRALIA (2)
TALLY
TEN STONE
TOMMY'S GONE (8)
VICTORIO (4)
Walk along you Saucy Anna"
We're the Boys to Drive Her Right"
Were you ever in Fairy [?]"
WHISKEY JOHNNY (17)
White Man Thinks that a Nigger Can't Steal"


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