BS: McCain meets mudcatter

Subject: RE: BS: McCain meets mudcatter
From: GUEST,Arkie
Date: 31 Oct 08 - 09:54 PM

I do not claim to be an expert in this matter, but that is no grounds for not having an opinion. Richard, I suspect that your definition of a conservative could be applied to the present powers within the USA's Republican Party. However, the majority of voters who profess to be conservatives are not among the more wealthy elite. That is one of the great mysteries that those who profit least from Republican policies are the strongest supporters. What is becoming quite interesting is the number of conservative Republicans who are endorsing Obama. Again, that is a bit of a mystery. Do they know McCain, and are concerned about his ability to preside over the country or have they soured on the present power structure in the Republican Party that has no humanitarian regard for the populace.

Subject: RE: BS: McCain meets mudcatter
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 31 Oct 08 - 06:40 AM

It's very simple cllr. The essence of conservatism, here and in the USA is the belief that the rich are entitled to steal from the poor. No nuances.

Subject: RE: BS: McCain meets mudcatter
From: Cllr
Date: 31 Oct 08 - 05:51 AM

Richard to be honest i was refering to the fact that the left/right split in british politics does not represent the same split as the republican/democratic in USA. but you always make assumptions in your posts.
Im aware that I am a british conservative politician the difference between us is that i dont see it as a perjorative term. your assumptions about me are based on your obvious hatred of the philosophy/ideaolgy without realising the nuances that vary from individual to individual and to be honest its obvious that you dont care. As such it makes hard to have a rational conversation about different aspects of political views.
I have plenty of friends from different political viewpoints who i enjoy a discussion and are very passsionate about there views. I not sure if you hae heard of a singer song writer called Robb Johnson a man who could not be accused of being soft in his politics I have enjoyed many a conversation with him while argauing about politics but then politics is about communication and if one side wont listen it makes it all the more difficult which ever side of the barricade your on.

Cllr

Subject: RE: BS: McCain meets mudcatter
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 31 Oct 08 - 04:16 AM

"Might be a british conservative" - you mean another gambler with the lives of others who would start an armed conflict just to capitalise on the xenophobic vote in an election. Surely, even more than the transparent gerrymanders of both, that cavalier attitude to human life has to be the hallmark of a morally bankrupt politician.

Subject: RE: BS: McCain meets mudcatter
From: Cllr
Date: 30 Oct 08 - 07:32 PM

Joe, as usual, you are bang on the money, and that was the main reasons for posting again funnily there was not one response.
I was wondering in the post three yrs ago what the mudcatters would say those that I spoke to in Washington and Boston did seem to be of the consensus that he wasn't like Bush, personally i was impressed with him while I might be a british conservative I have never been a fan of the Bush family administration. After hearing McCain lecture and meeting him briefly afterwards i remeber thinking the republicans could do worse than have him as there nomination.
Cllr

Subject: RE: BS: McCain meets mudcatter
From: Uncle_DaveO
Date: 30 Oct 08 - 01:55 PM

Sent in my (and my Beautiful Wife's) absentee ballots last night. B.O., of course.

Dave Oesterreich

Subject: RE: BS: McCain meets mudcatter
From: GUEST,Arkie
Date: 30 Oct 08 - 01:45 PM

At one time I did have respect for McCain but having observed his campaign and having read more of his own words I have lost every ounce of that respect. While I find his own actions and words condemning enough, that is all compounded by reading comments from those who actually know him and have worked with him. Add to that the number of more respectable conservatives who actually seem to think who have endorsed Obama. These endorsements tend to lend some support to negative comments I have read. He is a man who has seemed to have lost any sense of honor and integrity that he might have once claimed. His view of the American people as mindless creatures fraught with ignorance and fear is even more condemning. On the other hand Obama seems to have a different view of the American people and while he has criticized McCain's ideas and policies he has not resorted to ridicule and outright distortions. I would not consider negative comments about McCain that have come from the Democratic camp but surprisingly I do not recall any such comments from Obama. There have been some on the internet. The comments that disturb me come from either republican or independent sources or from the mouth of McCain himself or either from his pit bull Palin or should that be a pit poodle?

Subject: RE: BS: McCain meets mudcatter
From: Little Hawk
Date: 30 Oct 08 - 01:24 PM

I would really like to meet Obama. McCain? No, not particularly.

Subject: RE: BS: McCain meets mudcatter
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 30 Oct 08 - 01:22 PM

Cllr - you really ought to get out less.. or at least to a better class of MudGather!

LTS

Subject: RE: BS: McCain meets mudcatter
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 30 Oct 08 - 12:09 PM

You have most unfortunate taste in people to meet.

Subject: RE: BS: McCain meets mudcatter
From: Donuel
Date: 30 Oct 08 - 11:44 AM

My folks always said the measure of a person is what they read what they believe and who they know.

McCain surronds himself with people of little expertise except for ideology. Take Phil Gramm for example, wise pwople wouldkeep him away from the economy but not McCain.

Take Robert Reich and Paul Krugmman, Obama is in contact with these people on a regular basis. Who you know is important.



So what is the agenda that the ruling class think tanks are pushing now or in the near future?

Subject: RE: BS: McCain meets mudcatter
From: PoppaGator
Date: 30 Oct 08 - 11:06 AM

I sure hope that McCain reverts to being a reasonably good guy after losing next week, but I have my doubts.

I've been absolutely astouned at his cave-in to the Karl Rove school of "thought" once he was pretty sure of the GOP nomination. I'd like to believe that this is a temporary abberation, but...

...for McCain to adapt such a stance when he is at the absolute height of his visibiliy and influence, and to persue divisive tactics that are bound to reverberate for a long time after the campaign is over ~ I'm not sure he can ever been seen in the same light as when he was a truly bipartisan and independent force in the Senate.

Subject: RE: BS: McCain meets mudcatter
From: Joe Offer
Date: 30 Oct 08 - 05:53 AM

Gee, back then, people should have said what a nice thing that you got to encounter McCain, the only Republican Democrats could trust. Most Mudcatters are singing a different tune nowadays. I'm going to vote for Obama, but I still think McCain is a good man.

-Joe-

Subject: BS: McCain meets mudcatter
From: Cllr
Date: 30 Oct 08 - 05:28 AM

I suppose this is a little out of Date but three years ago i was in Washington and I met up with McCain as part of the course i was doing at Harvard I did post under a question about one the think tanks ( under heritage foundation but I got no response)

here is original post

"I went to the heritage foundation in washington DC yesterday
and heard Senator John McCain speak it was very interesting but I sure should have posted to mudcat first to see what questions I could have asked on your behalf. Cllr

PS Any folk music going on in washington tonight? "