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Subject: RE: BS: Californians Oppose 'Prop 8' Gay Marriage Ban From: Paco Rabanne Date: 06 Jun 09 - 03:35 AM The term 'Gay Marriage' is an insult to those of us who married women and produced children. How on earth can any Church reconcile homosexuality with the term 'marriage' |
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Subject: RE: BS: Californians Oppose 'Prop 8' Gay Marriage Ban From: Barry Finn Date: 06 Jun 09 - 04:12 AM "Fuck the Churches"! They don't like it let them call it "Co-joined" or otherwise and the state can continue to legally call it "Marriage", now we change words, laws & rights for the sake of religion? Since when did they determin the use of language? Barry |
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Subject: RE: BS: Californians Oppose 'Prop 8' Gay Marriage Ban From: Don Firth Date: 06 Jun 09 - 04:05 PM Akenaton is, as usual, laboring under a number of misapprehensions. He has it stuck in his craw that homosexual activity causes the AIDS virus, and not all the scientific evidence in the world is going to disabuse him of the idea. He wants it to be true because— Well, you figure it out. And, of course, he simply ignores the question I've been asking him repeatedly: In what manner does encouraging stable, monogamous homosexual relationships (such as domestic partnerships, or for that matter, marriage) increase the spread of HIV? And he completely ignores the fact that it's a matter of civil rights and equal protection under the law. Civil rights are the basic values of any free country, and they are not subject to legal prohibition, referendum, or popular vote. They are inalienable rights, and any government, Federal, State, or local that condones the withholding of them is engaging in an exercise in tyranny. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Californians Oppose 'Prop 8' Gay Marriage Ban From: Ebbie Date: 06 Jun 09 - 04:54 PM "The last few posts, with the exception of Mr McGrath's are excellent examples of what the pro homosexual marriage issue is really all about......"normalisation" of an extremely dangerous and unhealthy lifestyle." ake The solution, ake, is simple: Don't sit next to one. That way, you won't catch it. :~) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Californians Oppose 'Prop 8' Gay Marriage From: Amos Date: 06 Jun 09 - 05:05 PM Well, no-one in this thread is talking about--or should be, anyway--the role of religion in marriage. The entire and sole issue here is the civil protection under the law. The injection of false data--such as Ake's idea that monogamous relations between same-sex couples is an increased danger to public-health, which is unreasonable on the face of it--does not make the issue any clearer, to the contrary. But it does not change what the issue is: civil protections under the law. A |
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Subject: RE: BS: Californians Oppose 'Prop 8' Gay Marriage Ban From: Little Hawk Date: 06 Jun 09 - 06:53 PM WAUGHHH!!!!!!!! Still rollin' along, folks? Good, because I have got another wager going. I bet someone that this thread will reach 1500...count 'em...1500 posts! Oh yeah. Don't disappoint me. I promise not to post further here between now and then, so as not to have a conflict of interest. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Californians Oppose 'Prop 8' Gay Marriage Ban From: Don Firth Date: 06 Jun 09 - 07:19 PM If you can keep your head while others around you are losing theirs, then you don't understand what's going on. —paraphrase of Rudyard Kipling Having fun, Little Hawk? Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Californians Oppose 'Prop 8' Gay Marriage Ban From: Don(Wyziwyg)T Date: 06 Jun 09 - 07:28 PM ""As Mr Mcgrath says all legal rights could be assured by civil union, but that does not satisfy our "homosexual activists" who require that the whole world accept homosexuality as "just another lifestyle" regardless of health statistics or the religious beliefs of others worldwide."" As usual Ake, you have the wrong end of the stick. What has been said is that the terms "Civil union" and "Marriage" should apply across the board, and not be based on sexual orientation. If a marriage with no religious input is called a civil union, it should be so for all who have that ceremony performed. If a religious order is prepared to recognise gay marriage, that should be OK. If not, then that too is OK. The couple can go to a church with a less discriminatory policy. The point is, that they should be recognised as married in law. Don T. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Californians Oppose 'Prop 8' Gay Marriage Ban From: frogprince Date: 06 Jun 09 - 09:21 PM The distinction between Civil Union and Marriage is mute in Michigan, anyhow. The amendment here clearly prohibits any legal recognition of a same-sex relationship, under either or any name. The moral luminaries who pushed it made a point of saying that it wouldn't take rights or benefits from anyone. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Californians Oppose 'Prop 8' Gay Marriage Ban From: akenaton Date: 07 Jun 09 - 07:11 AM "The injection of false data--such as Ake's idea that monogamous relations between same-sex couples is an increased danger to public-health, which is unreasonable on the face of it--does not make the issue any clearer, to the contrary. But it does not change what the issue is: civil protections under the law" Come on Amos, surely we're all adults here, why stoop to tactics like that! A couple of others have tried to misrepresent what I have written on that issue, but I didn't expect it from you. Monogamy in all sexual behaviour is good.....no argument. One of my issues is with the health figures, and there is no guarantee that homosexuals en-masse will wish to adopt either homosexual marriage or monogamy....severe promiscuity appears to go hand in hand with homosexual practice.....in general terms of course. I am sure you will all trot out once again, the couple of exceptions that you know.......I prefer to stick with the CDC statistics. When are you all going to get it through your thick skulls, that this is not a "rights" issue, but a political issue dressed up as rights. If you are really interested in "homosexual rights", try giving them the right to life.....support the San Fransiscan group who are demanding a proper medical inquiry into the homosexuality/AIDS link. Or would that spoil your cosy little "Liberal crusade"? Fucking hypocrites! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Californians Oppose 'Prop 8' Gay Marriage Ban From: Don Firth Date: 07 Jun 09 - 01:34 PM When are you going to get it through your thick skull that it IS a civil rights issue? When you have nothing else, you resort to insults and abuse. And, of course, to your so-called mind, the ultimate insult is to call someone a "Liberal." Grow up! Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Californians Oppose 'Prop 8' Gay Marriage From: Amos Date: 07 Jun 09 - 02:20 PM Ake, don't be resorting to slanging your correspondents, or you'll never drive this thread to the size of MOAB. A "political issue"? In what way? Civil rights IS a political issue, to be sure. But clearly you are making a distinction, but you have not taken the pains to draw it. What is it? A |
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Subject: RE: BS: Californians Oppose 'Prop 8' Gay Marriage Ban From: Barry Finn Date: 07 Jun 09 - 05:27 PM "severe promiscuity appears to go hand in hand with homosexual practice.....in general terms of course." Where in the world do you come up with claptrap ideas like this? "When are you all going to get it through your thick skulls, that this is not a "rights" issue, but a political issue dressed up as rights." You seem to have made this into a health issue when it has nothing to do with politics & everything to do as a human/civil rights issue just as equality for Woman & Blacks Barry |
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Subject: RE: BS: Californians Oppose 'Prop 8' Gay Marriage Ban From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 08 Jun 09 - 01:29 AM "........when it has nothing to do with politics & everything to do as a human/civil rights issue just as equality for Woman & Blacks" WRONG!!!! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Californians Oppose 'Prop 8' Gay Marriage Ban From: Don Firth Date: 08 Jun 09 - 01:57 AM HAH!! Missed again, GfS!! Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Californians Oppose 'Prop 8' Gay Marriage Ban From: akenaton Date: 08 Jun 09 - 02:25 AM Amos...you are of course exempt from any ill considered remarks on my part...:0). But homosexual practice is a health issue, whether any of you like to admit it or not. The figures show a massive link in real percentage terms.....please stop denying this as it damages the credibility of your argument. Other types of behaviour also have health issues....such as incest..drug abuse...smoking etc and the "rights" of the people who practice them have been curtailed accordingly. Before you start on about legality, remember laws are made and ammended on the whims of politicians, they are never finite, nor are our much lauded "rights" |
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Subject: RE: BS: Californians Oppose 'Prop 8' Gay Marriage Ban From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 08 Jun 09 - 02:53 AM "HAH!! Missed again, GfS!!" Don Firth Now there's a post with lot's of....umm...blank spaces between the ears(?) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Californians Oppose 'Prop 8' Gay Marriage Ban From: Barry Finn Date: 08 Jun 09 - 04:08 AM Being gay is not a behavior any more than being female or Black but I guess that will never come through to you. You will continue to wear blinders so you may see the world as you choose not as it is, that's an unhealthy behavior you should see to fixing. Barry |
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Subject: RE: BS: Californians Oppose 'Prop 8' Gay Marriage Ban From: Keith A of Hertford Date: 08 Jun 09 - 05:01 AM gay females are one of the lowest of risk groups for HIV. Gay men are the highest risk group in Western countries. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Californians Oppose 'Prop 8' Gay Marriage Ban From: Keith A of Hertford Date: 08 Jun 09 - 05:04 AM UK stats. http://www.avert.org/uk-statistics.htm |
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Subject: RE: BS: Californians Oppose 'Prop 8' Gay Marriage Ban From: Amos Date: 08 Jun 09 - 10:48 AM Homosexuality entails health issues, and is probably higher-risk than heterosexuality. In both hetero and homo, the increase of promiscuity is (I am fairly sure) proportional to the increase in risk. Authorizing monogamous relationships and granting them certain protections is a wise idea, and the tradition of hetero marriage has enjoyed this benefit for centuries. No reason it should not be extended to lesbians and gays, though. It REDUCES the health risk to do so. A |
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Subject: RE: BS: Californians Oppose 'Prop 8' Gay Marriage Ban From: John P Date: 08 Jun 09 - 12:24 PM Here's what I've learned recently: Sick people should be denied basic rights until we know everything there is to know about the disease (what about all those cancer victims? Smokers engage in risky behavior but still get to get married). Men are promiscuous (duh!!). We should continue to make homosexuality illegal because we (here in the land of the free) might offend religious folks in other countries. Health care and civil rights are both political issues (duh!). People who want homosexuals to have the same rights as the rest of us also want them to die (huh?). The incidence of AIDS has more to do with sexual orientation than it does with membership in an affected community (who needs science?). If any homosexuals believe one thing, they all believe it (who needs common sense?). If I met either GfS or Akenaton in real life, I would get away from them as soon as possible after they opened their mouths. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Californians Oppose 'Prop 8' Gay Marriage Ban From: akenaton Date: 08 Jun 09 - 05:28 PM Can anyone honestly make sense of that drivel. A complete misrepresentation of what the anti's have been writing The last refuge of a loser! Mr Peekstock is typical of the "activists" I described earlier, the normalisation of homosexual practice in political terms is his "raison d'etre" and to acknowlege the elephant in the room would surely scupper his argument......Aids deaths are incidental to one cell organisms like Mr Peekstock. I repeat, if he really cared for homosexuals he would support the homosexuals of San Fransisco in their campaign. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Californians Oppose 'Prop 8' Gay Marriage Ban From: akenaton Date: 08 Jun 09 - 06:25 PM Before my message box is again inundated.....apologies to unicellulars everywhere. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Californians Oppose 'Prop 8' Gay Marriage Ban From: John P Date: 08 Jun 09 - 07:41 PM Akenaton: our "homosexual activists" who require that the whole world accept homosexuality as "just another lifestyle" regardless of . . . the religious beliefs of others worldwide My paraphrase and comment: We should continue to make homosexuality illegal because we (here in the land of the free) might offend religious folks in other countries. Akenaton: even "civil unions" are wrong until a proper medical study of homosexuality and AIDS has been set in motion and some conclusions reached. My paraphrase and comment: Sick people should be denied basic rights until we know everything there is to know about the disease (what about all those cancer victims? Smokers engage in risky behavior but still get to get married). Akenaton: severe promiscuity appears to go hand in hand with homosexual practice. My paraphrase and comment: Men are promiscuous (duh!!). If it weren't for women not liking it, lots of straight men would be severely promiscuous. Lots are anyway. Akenaton: there is no guarantee that homosexuals en-masse will wish to adopt either homosexual marriage or monogamy My paraphrase and comment: If any homosexuals believe one thing, they all believe it (who needs common sense?). Akenaton: The figures show a massive link in real percentage terms My paraphrase and comment: The incidence of AIDS has more to do with sexual orientation than it does with membership in an affected community (who needs science?). Akenaton: People like Peekstock and "liberal" opinion have another agenda, they don't really care how many homosexuals die from the disease by being simply allowed to live with it and die with it. . . . I have no respect for those who take social and sexual politics before the premature deaths of our brothers. . . . Aids deaths are incidental to one cell organisms like Mr Peekstock My paraphrase and comment: People who want homosexuals to have the same rights as the rest of us also want them to die (huh?). Akenaton, this last statement of yours is a vile lie. Have you no honor at all? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Californians Oppose 'Prop 8' Gay Marriage Ban From: Don Firth Date: 08 Jun 09 - 07:49 PM "Now there's a post with lot's of....umm...blank spaces between the ears(?)" That the best you can do, GfS? You still haven't answered my question. You know, the one I've asked you a couple of dozen times (don't tell me you don't remember!??). Talk about "blank spaces between the ears." (!!) #### John, your post just above is right on the money. This is exactly what these two have been saying all along. But they don't want to own up to the fact. Or quite possibly they don't recognize their own words when quoted back to them. #### Germaine to nothing in particular, it's just a memory that, for some strange reason just came to mind: a wise old uncle once told me, "My boy, don't waste your valuable time trying to argue with an idiot." Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Californians Oppose 'Prop 8' Gay Marriage Ban From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 09 Jun 09 - 02:57 AM You know, I'm reading this thread, and all over the place I see people rationalizing promiscuity, behavior of animals, homosexuality, so on and so forth...but leave out morality. Morals derived from generations of rules, as to what works, and what doesn't. Promiscuity doesn't work, without someone getting hurt, homosexuality doesn't work, in the long term, and comparing human behavior by basing our behavior by the acts of animals, is super folly! How can you justify 'because the animals do it, we can do it, and it's all fine', and still get angry at the acts of nations?...After all, aren't we a little more advanced than animals? Do we roam around sniffing to see who we can sleep with, like dogs, and then think we are 'really great lovers'? So let's knock off the bullshit rationalizations, and try thinking a little higher. If you, who are married, think your wives, can be replaced with another man, or if you think you can be a better woman, than your wives, well, keep it to yourselves...or at least discuss it with your wives, before you announce it to the world! In a free society, people can and do just about anything they want...but to go around trying to convince everyone else, that they have to 'like' or approve of what you do, to get you off, you might, and DO have a problem. I imagine for some guys, jerking off is fun, but do you walk down the street doing it in public, because it 'feels good'?...then expect everybody who thinks you're 'loony tunes' is a bigot, or a hater of 'mankind'? If people want to live together, either sex, must they have to be fucking each other demand equal 'civil rights'?..Who cares, what they do?? There is nothing that people who live together, with or without sex, that denies them their rights, one way or another. Is there??? If however they are trying to legitimize some sexual dysfunction, and go about painting it as some 'noble cause', I'm sorry, a lot of other people, without that dilemma, just aren't going to buy...and it is NOT A CIVIL RIGHT ISSUE...it's more akin, to a common sense issue...and by the way, don't some of you see, that the homosexual community, has pushed their behavior, just a little to the 'extreme', flaunting their 'lifestyles'...don't you think they go a little bit overboard, to rub it in people's faces??..and THAT is one of the big things that the rest of society gets offended by!..That, and trying to have our children taught that this is just hunky dory, and normal as apple pie!..GET REAL! Now most everything that has been said, about it, on both sides, has already been said, except for the late 'dropper inners'....if you think homosexuality is just so great, teach your kids about the 'wonders' of it, and raise them to be that way, and be proud of them!!.......but down deep, you know that's NOT what you'd wish for them......if you ever wonder why, you've answered your own question!!!! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Californians Oppose 'Prop 8' Gay Marriage Ban From: Amos Date: 09 Jun 09 - 09:06 AM It is amazing to me, after the major poinrs in question have been said so many ways, so many times, that you can jump up and haul off with such blarney all over again. A |
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Subject: RE: BS: Californians Oppose 'Prop 8' Gay Marriage Ban From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 09 Jun 09 - 12:17 PM Tell me, Amos!..I know!! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Californians Oppose 'Prop 8' Gay Marriage Ban From: Don Firth Date: 09 Jun 09 - 04:08 PM Just one selected item out of a wide choice in that blob of blather you've just posted, GfS: "Do we roam around sniffing to see who we can sleep with. . . ?" Yes, GfS, as a matter of fact, that's one of the things that humans do do. Have you never heard of pheromones? Humans have them, too. There has been serious research done in this area in relation to sexual attraction. Very valuable to the perfume industry. Have you never heard of such things as scented after-shave lotions? Have you never heard of deodorants? "Do we roam around sniffing to see who we can sleep with. . . ?" Yes, normal, grown-up human beings do respond to smells. For Chrissake, get a good book on sex and human reproduction and read it! I'm not talking about a "how to" book or "what every little boy and girl should know," I'm talking about—well, a good start would be something like Sex: A Natural History, by Joann Ellison Rodgers. And there are others. For someone who claims to be a counselor, I am appalled at your abysmal ignorance! And morals? What about the morality of poking your nose into other peoples' lives and trying to dictate how they should live, who they should mate with, and how they can and cannot go about it? You're a bloody fine one to be trying to lecture other people about morals! And you can deny it from now until Doomsday, but the issue of same-sex marriage IS a civil rights issue, and it will stay a civil rights issue, no matter how many temper tantrums you throw. (Like my wise old uncle once said. . . .) Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Californians Oppose 'Prop 8' Gay Marriage Ban From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 09 Jun 09 - 08:55 PM What a huge bunch of shit, Don! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Californians Oppose 'Prop 8' Gay Marriage Ban From: Barry Finn Date: 09 Jun 09 - 09:07 PM "How can you justify 'because the animals do it, we can do it, and it's all fine'" Opps, animals are a bit more civilizied than some of us humans "After all, aren't we a little more advanced than animals" Never heard of an animal getting arrested for rape, murder, kidnapping, stealing land, swindling old folks retirements, abusing children "Do we roam around sniffing to see who we can sleep with, like dogs, and then think we are 'really great lovers'" Humans can get down right dirty when it comes to sex & have dogs beat. Never heard of a dog getting it on with a dead mutt. Dogs have nothing on us humans, we could teach them all a trick or two What's the difference betewwn a whore & a Lawyer? The whore will stop fucking her client once they're dead! "Who cares, what they do??" Then why do you protest so much? Barry |
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Subject: RE: BS: Californians Oppose 'Prop 8' Gay Marriage Ban From: Don Firth Date: 09 Jun 09 - 09:21 PM ". . . a huge bunch of shit. . . ." WOW!! Now, GfS, that's what I call a really devastating refutation. So well thought out! So reasonable! Or were you talking about the contents of your cranium? Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Californians Oppose 'Prop 8' Gay Marriage From: Amos Date: 09 Jun 09 - 10:01 PM Never try to teach a pig to sing. It wastes your time, and it annoys the pig. (I think Robert Heinlein wrote that, inter alia). A |
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Subject: RE: BS: Californians Oppose 'Prop 8' Gay Marriage Ban From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 09 Jun 09 - 11:27 PM You responded to my post, completely ridiculously. You answered things I never said, or alluded to. That's what I thought was so full of bullshit! I think the bias, is all in YOUR heads! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Californians Oppose 'Prop 8' Gay Marriage Ban From: Don Firth Date: 10 Jun 09 - 12:55 AM You need to read your own posts, GfS, so you'll at least have an idea of what you said. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Californians Oppose 'Prop 8' Gay Marriage Ban From: Don Firth Date: 10 Jun 09 - 03:01 PM GfS, I just reread your post of 09 Jun 09 - 02:57 a.m. for the umpteenth time, trying to make some kind of rational sense out of it, and I can only come to the conclusion that you are simply raving. No one here is advocating all of the bullcrap that you are accusing them (us) of. And checking some of your posts on earlier, similar threads, you seem to be totally obsessed with how others should conduct their sex lives. I have a pretty good idea of the source of your problem. In fact, you said as much way up-thread. I think you need a long vacation. And I also think that you could use the services of a good counselor. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Californians Oppose 'Prop 8' Gay Marriage Ban From: gnu Date: 10 Jun 09 - 04:18 PM Hey! How are you guys doing getting this sorted anyway? I haven't read any of it since the last time I was here. Hmmmm.... seems to me the last time I was here was to... oh... the drier just stopped. Gotta fold laundry. Carry on. Smoke em if got em. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Californians Oppose 'Prop 8' Gay Marriage Ban From: akenaton Date: 10 Jun 09 - 04:53 PM Well gnu the pros seem to have found their niche after all this time. No attempt to address the issues just a lot of cliche ridden crap. I'll check in from time to time just to call any lies,or misreprestations they might come up with......don't suppose there's much chance of any further serious debate, as their side of the discussion seems to consist of shouting as loudly as possible "It's a Civil Rights Matter!!" |
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Subject: RE: BS: Californians Oppose 'Prop 8' Gay Marriage Ban From: KB in Iowa Date: 10 Jun 09 - 04:57 PM Ake, If medical science were to find a way to eradicate HIV and the threat of AIDS were no longer an issue, would you still be opposed to legalizing same-sex marriage? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Californians Oppose 'Prop 8' Gay Marriage Ban From: Don Firth Date: 10 Jun 09 - 05:03 PM Don't have to shout, Ake. No all caps, no string of exclamation points. The whole matter is idiot simple. It's a civil rights issue. Simple as that. Exceedingly difficult for some people to grasp, obviously, but it's as simple as that. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Californians Oppose 'Prop 8' Gay Marriage Ban From: Wesley S Date: 10 Jun 09 - 05:06 PM That poor horse is still dead. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Californians Oppose 'Prop 8' Gay Marriage Ban From: Don Firth Date: 10 Jun 09 - 05:07 PM And I might add, Ake, that the only people around here who seem to be shouting in full caps, splattering their post with exclam points, and generally having a s**t hemmorage over the fact that it is a civil rights issue are you and GfS. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Californians Oppose 'Prop 8' Gay Marriage Ban From: gnu Date: 10 Jun 09 - 05:12 PM Thought I might check back in... it is a civil rights matter. It's about the right of people to fuck off when they ain't got the right to say shit about what other people do. But, everyone knows that. Most know that the perpetuation of this thread is only for two reasons. To educate the ignorant and entertain the trolls. Odd that the trolls who would seek to disseminate their vile would actually help educate. Ahhhh, sometimes, it all works out.... in the end. Sorry... can't resist a joke, me. Heheheheee. Right... see you in another hundred... thousand?... posts. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Californians Oppose 'Prop 8' Gay Marriage Ban From: akenaton Date: 10 Jun 09 - 05:34 PM Apparently the latest country to suffer an Aids outbreak is Cuba. 80% of all Cubans affected are homosexuals. The very low number of Cuban Aids cases is said to be because of Castro's controversial quarantine policy in the eighties. AIDS in Cuba |
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Subject: RE: BS: Californians Oppose 'Prop 8' Gay Marriage Ban From: Don(Wyziwyg)T Date: 10 Jun 09 - 05:51 PM ""If medical science were to find a way to eradicate HIV and the threat of AIDS were no longer an issue, would you still be opposed to legalizing same-sex marriage?"" OF COURSE HE WOULD! He'd just find another specious argument as to why it would be right to do so. And it would bear as much relationship to his real reason, as his current excuse.......i.e. ZERO! Don T. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Californians Oppose 'Prop 8' Gay Marriage Ban From: Don(Wyziwyg)T Date: 10 Jun 09 - 05:53 PM 97 |
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Subject: RE: BS: Californians Oppose 'Prop 8' Gay Marriage Ban From: Don(Wyziwyg)T Date: 10 Jun 09 - 05:55 PM 1500 Can we go now? Don T. |
