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GUEST,NIck E 06 Nov 08 - 09:35 PM
Jim Dixon 07 Nov 08 - 01:05 AM
r.padgett 07 Nov 08 - 03:30 AM
GUEST, Sminky 07 Nov 08 - 04:16 AM
Jim Carroll 07 Nov 08 - 04:21 AM
GUEST, Sminky 07 Nov 08 - 04:23 AM
masato sakurai 07 Nov 08 - 05:16 AM
Jack Campin 07 Nov 08 - 06:03 AM
Les in Chorlton 07 Nov 08 - 06:15 AM
GUEST, Sminky 07 Nov 08 - 06:28 AM
Les in Chorlton 07 Nov 08 - 06:32 AM
GUEST, Sminky 07 Nov 08 - 06:40 AM
Jack Campin 07 Nov 08 - 07:00 AM
Les in Chorlton 07 Nov 08 - 07:02 AM
Jim Carroll 07 Nov 08 - 07:09 AM
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Subject: Broadsheets
From: GUEST,NIck E
Date: 06 Nov 08 - 09:35 PM

I thought I had heard that the early Broadsheets generaly were songs published without music in the 1800s (Give or Take). I do a bit of a google on it, and a mudcat search and dont find much about it. What can you tell me about that, to confirm or deny what I thought I knew?


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Subject: RE: Broadsheets
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 07 Nov 08 - 01:05 AM

Try these resources:

The Bodleian Library Broadside Ballads--a huge collection, mostly English.

America Singing: Nineteenth Century Song Sheets from the Library of Congress.

The Word on the Street--a collection of broadsides from the National Library of Scotland.

Greg Lindahl's "Sixteenth Century Ballads: A work in progress" with lots of links.


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Subject: RE: Broadsheets
From: r.padgett
Date: 07 Nov 08 - 03:30 AM

Yes should be Broadsides

Broadsheets are popular newspapers

Ray


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Subject: RE: Broadsheets
From: GUEST, Sminky
Date: 07 Nov 08 - 04:16 AM

Also:

Axon Ballad Collection (Chethams Library, Manchester)

Modern Street Ballads (John Ashton)


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Subject: RE: Broadsheets
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 07 Nov 08 - 04:21 AM

If you really are new to the subject you could look out anything by Leslie Shepard on the subject - The Broadside Ballad, The History of Street Literature, or John Pitts, Ballad Printer, probably all out of print, but libraries should be able to help.
These deal with the subject from the British point-of-view - would be interested to know if there is a US equivalent. The only works we have on our shelves are 'American Balladry From British Broadsheets' and 'Native American Balladry', both by G Malcolm Laws Jnr., which are basically indexes but which carry a great deal of information on the subject.
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: Broadsheets
From: GUEST, Sminky
Date: 07 Nov 08 - 04:23 AM

.....and:

Nineteenth-century British street ballads (University of Minnesota)

Street Ballads of Victorian England (Kent State University)

(sorry, Guests are apparently only allowed two links at a time)


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Subject: RE: Broadsheets
From: masato sakurai
Date: 07 Nov 08 - 05:16 AM

Leslie Shepard's The Broadside Ballad: A Study In Origins and Meaning (1962) is available online at Internet Archive.

See also links at the thread What's a Broadside?.


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Subject: RE: Broadsheets
From: Jack Campin
Date: 07 Nov 08 - 06:03 AM

And another very good book: Simpson, The British Broadside Ballad and Its Music.

One thing he describes which was new to me was the kind of broadside that prints the text of a song along with what *looks* like music but is actually nonsense. The idea being that the punters thought they were getting a quality product with the tune included even though they couldn't read it.


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Subject: RE: Broadsheets
From: Les in Chorlton
Date: 07 Nov 08 - 06:15 AM

Were "Broadsides" in English / UK thing or did lots fo countries have equivalents?

L in C


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Subject: RE: Broadsheets
From: GUEST, Sminky
Date: 07 Nov 08 - 06:28 AM

Les, I know that the Scandinavians had them (and chap books). There's a huge website somewhere with 100's of Swedish (or is it Finnish) broadsides.


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Subject: RE: Broadsheets
From: Les in Chorlton
Date: 07 Nov 08 - 06:32 AM

Mmmmmmmmmmmmm,


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Subject: RE: Broadsheets
From: GUEST, Sminky
Date: 07 Nov 08 - 06:40 AM

...or even Danish. I think this is the site but there are certain ...errr... language difficulties. Mind your forskning for goodness sake (what are they like, those Scandinavians?).


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Subject: RE: Broadsheets
From: Jack Campin
Date: 07 Nov 08 - 07:00 AM

There are loads of French ones.   See Pierre Vernier & France Vernillat: "Histoire de France par les Chansons".

I suspect the Chinese did them first.


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Subject: RE: Broadsheets
From: Les in Chorlton
Date: 07 Nov 08 - 07:02 AM

Australia?


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Subject: RE: Broadsheets
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 07 Nov 08 - 07:09 AM

Les,
The best collection of Australian broadsides I've come across is 'True Patriots All or News From Early Australia as told in A Collection of Broadsides Geoffrey C Ingleton (though not many songs)
Also to look out for Farewell to Old England (a broadside history of early Australia by Hugh Anderson.
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: Broadsheets
From: billybob
Date: 07 Nov 08 - 07:39 AM

John Foreman has always been called the Broadsides King and has published some volumes of his collections.


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Subject: RE: Broadsheets
From: Sandra in Sydney
Date: 07 Nov 08 - 08:02 AM

2 more Austalian collections -

Farewell to judges & juries : the broadside ballad & convict transportation to Australia, 1788-1868 by Hugh Anderson.
Hotham Hill, Vic. : Red Rooster, 2000.

The convict maid : authentic reproductions of broadside ballads relating to Australia's early days by Ron Edwards.
3rd, enl. and rev. ed.   Kuranda, Qld. : Rams Skull Press, 1987.

see National Library of Australia search - Australia broadside ballads for 25 references including surviving 19th century Broadsides.

Strangely enough at the Bush Music Club singing session tonight we were looking at the Ron Edwards books!

sandra

check out those Google ads - one is for a diet for flat stomachs! The other is for Ukranian music!!


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Subject: RE: Broadsheets
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 07 Nov 08 - 11:53 AM

The Irish broadside trade (referred to as 'ballads' here) carried on until the mid 1950s, one of the last sheets reported being a parody of Slim Dusty's 'Pub With With no Beer' (re-named 'Bar With No Stout'). The main participants in the trade were Travellers - there's a beautiful description of one of the Travellers we recorded (teaching a tune to a prospective buyer) on our Musical Traditions CD of field recordings 'From Puck To Appleby'.
The speaker, Mikeen McCarthy gave us a load of information on the trade, which he and his mother were part of in the early fifties.
An article entitled Michael McCarthy, Singer and Ballad Seller' was included in the collection of essays, 'Singer Song and Scholar' edited by Ian Russell (Sheffield Academic Press - 1986). Anybody who wants a copy of the article can PM me.
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: Broadsheets
From: Nick E
Date: 07 Nov 08 - 08:44 PM

My Apologies, yes BROADSIDES!
I do work for a Newspaper so I had broadsheet lodged in my head, along with too few pieces of brain. Ty all for the input on what I realy meant!


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